Not so happy

[RedAndi]

This matter of perception troubles me on occasion. Contrary to what he says in his follow up post, RedAndi's post #11 in this thread still appears to me to suggest:

1) That there is a gang mentality here (something that is at times alleged - usually when several members happen to express a contrary view to several other members) I've already commented on what I see as the fallacy of that perception, and its provocative and untrue insinuation that members prefer to act collectively instead of as free-thinking, adult individuals.

OK Jet, you don't see it. Sometimes I do. Again, 2 people, different perception. And stop insinuating that I was insinuating

2) I also perceived that post as a small but unfair sleight on the moderators, suggesting that they "sided" with certain members on some issues. Again it is a perception I do not believe to be justified.

Could not have said more clearly I think the mods are fair (at least I thought so).

3) Finally, as I saw it, his post speculated that our host here had arbitrarily closed a thread because one member had posted that it was time to close it. Again, I find myself regarding such an implication as both false and perhaps even mildly insulting to the independence and tolerance of the owner here.

Again I thought I was pretty clear. I said it LOOKED bad, and it was probably just the timing. Can I really be the only one who thought this?
Someone said "this thread should be closed now" and it was very soon after.
Thanks be Bryan doesn't see insults as easily as you do. I like your style Jet but I think you are digging too deep for insight on my post.


About the only thing that RedAndi and I agree on in his post #11 is the favourable impact of a constant flow of new members here.

Yup

I believe members should not only respect each other and the right to agree or disagree with another view without the rather juvenile accusation of being part of a mindless gang, but pause to think before throwing around potentially offensive statements regarding the forum itself.

In too many cases recently it appears to me that these are based on ill-considered personal misperceptions, or have been deliberately shaped to introduce a negative vibe.

I see what I see, I do no "shaping", I am not trying to be negative, just honest and forthright.
Oh and if you were alluding to me, I am far from juvenille (hopefully you did not mean me, since I did not throw around any potential offensive statements you probably did not).

I have to say that under these circumstances I was surprised that several members actually 'thanked' post #11....or was that also 'gang' activity????

Do you think if people are counting the thanks and noting the thankers that maybe there are issues? Is it a competition?
If someone you don't know thanks someone you don't like do you decide you don't like the thanker?
Should it even matter?
I can honestly say I don't even notice the "thank" section more times than not!
Maybe the thanks should be anonymous.

UGH.
Once again almost regret posting what I really think, too much over analyzing of the words spoken.
BTW Jet...I am not a he, I am a she

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Nine times out of ten I don't have time to read these threads in their entirety....I glance at the original posts and maybe the ends....if there is something that someone explains, takes the time to do it and I feel it expresses the way I feel I will thank them. If they have the time and patience to verbalize what I don't, I thank them. Most of the time, lately, it is just too tiring to sift through it all. And, as for being a part of a gang, I'm thinking going to BingoT's for waffles sounds like a GREAT gang activity

 

[anniemac]

Hey, I want to go with you. Being part of a 'waffle gang' sounds great to me!

 

[kauphy]

same here i love waffles.

just give me the time and place and i,ll be there gang activity and all.

 

[silcnlayc]

kauphy same here i love waffles.

just give me the time and place and i,ll be there gang activity and all.

Alright already! Putting my snowballs down...heading to the waffle gang party!!


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[ksech]

Psssstttt BT...If we all come for waffles are you going to get a bus and take us all to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun???

 

[BingoT]

OMG you kids lol
You made me P my pants from laughing so hard.
BingoT is calling a CNA to change him.

I make a banging Belgian Waffles for all our "Ganging" friends.
Your all welcome to come over.
And I know you will have a Ganging good time too.
And after I will give you a tour of both casino's here too.
~T~

 

[kauphy]

best way to kill nastyness is with laughter and i do belive i like laughter better then name calling lol.

nothing bad can come out of ones mouth when laughter is

i need more thanks anyone got any they can give me.

hey i want a snowball to put on my waffle so silcnlayc please hit me with you best shot lol:

 

[ksech]

Anyone have any pull-ups on hand? I think BT needs some! LMAO
I'd send him a Depends, but I only have one left, and I might need it myself!

 

[anniemac]

Don't have any Depends left, sorry Bingo.

Am set on go for the waffle gang though.

 

[BingoT]

I just bought a truck load for all that needs them.
Free for all The waffle gang breakfast members.
Please "Thank" RedAndi for your free package today.
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[anniemac]

 

[lettingyouknow]

If Mavin is Staying why are you Leaving?

I am also known as the LURKER read but don't post much. What I don't understand about Sara and Davey is this. You state that you are leaving due to the perceived insults toward your friend MAVIN, but Mavin is staying and has moved past all of this nonsense, tomato tomatoe. Although I am some what of a Renegade and do stick up for the underdog I admire your heart sara and did enjoy davey's posts. I don't get why you feel so offended to leave when your perceived victim is staying? Can someone translate for me! I don't get it? Sara and davey just come back please and I'll start a new thread DO OVER. Ok, think about it, Or a new thread called Just Kidding, I am Back. All Better Now.

 

[RedAndi]

Please "Thank" RedAndi for your free package today.
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LOL not quite sure I like being associated with Depends!
And I shall RSVP for waffles also, ty.

 

[Brooklyn]

I will attend the waffle gang initiation as well. Extra syrup.

 

[ksech]

Hmmm, no one said anything about an initiation! That could become a "sticky" situation!

 

[jetset]

I have to say that under these circumstances I was surprised that several members actually 'thanked' post #11....or was that also 'gang' activity????
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The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to jetset For This Useful Post:
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I thanked Andi's post and I damn sure am not in any gang activity and really find that there is way too much drama going on, I have prolly thanked more people than anyone here at CM and consider myself a good member, I thank who I want if I like the post, it doesnt matter who the poster is.

'gang' activity???? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

Laurie

@Laurie - the question was meant to be rhetorical and sardonic, hopefully illustrating that these repetitive accusations of 'ganging up' are unfounded.

To those generally who think that RedAndi's post #11 comments were fair and correct:

Giving thanks has imv come to be accepted as a tacit agreement with what the poster is proposing. It is not necessary for members to explain why they agreed with the poster - that is their opinion, to which they are absolutely entitled.

For reasons I have already outlined, it still surprises me that the contents of that particular post found support from some CM members.

 

[ksech]

I just want to make sure I'm "playing" the game the right way...
Is it or is it not okay to thank a post you feel has redeeming qualities to it?
(When I give a thanks, it doesn't always mean I agree 100% with the entire post, BUT that there may be several statements issued which I feel are "right on the money". As to my thanking jetset's post, I agreed with the majority of what he said.)
There was MAYBE 1 or 2 statements by RedAndi which I agreed with, but I felt the rest of the post was insulting to myself as a poster here. I do NOT consider myself of a "gang mentality" or part of a clique. I do know which statement she was referring too, but think of what we don't see on Bryan's end of this. Yes, the poster might have used more finesse, but it's all water under the bridge now. Some need to remember that at times, "the pen is mightier than the sword", and that there are REAL, FEELING human beings behind all of these words.

 

[kauphy]

o.k all set to go now i got my thanks back lol

 

[felicie]

@Laurie - the question was meant to be rhetorical and sardonic, hopefully illustrating that these repetitive accusations of 'ganging up' are unfounded.

To those generally who think that RedAndi's post #11 comments were fair and correct:

Giving thanks has imv come to be accepted as a tacit agreement with what the poster is proposing. It is not necessary for members to explain why they agreed with the poster - that is their opinion, to which they are absolutely entitled.

For reasons I have already outlined, it still surprises me that the contents of that particular post found support from some CM members.

Jetset I thanked #11 because I saw a pm from a certain member here threatening another member here with harrassment from the one member's many many friends here at CM bla bla bla. That to me is gang mentality pure and simple. And although the one member later denied the pm, I saw it and know it to be true. I also came to realize nothing would be done to stop this kind of behavior here by certain members and that's fine because now at least I know what I can and cannot expect.

I will also add it is members like you jetset and actually quite a few others that I enjoy shooting the breeze with intelligently and politely that keep me coming back here. I am just sorry that so many have left or feel the need to be silent.

 

[Nifty29]

Jetset I thanked #11 because I saw a pm from a certain member here threatening another member here with harrassment from the one member's many many friends here at CM bla bla bla. That to me is gang mentality pure and simple. And although the one member later denied the pm, I saw it and know it to be true. I also came to realize nothing would be done to stop this kind of behavior here by certain members and that's fine because now at least I know what I can and cannot expect.

I will also add it is members like you jetset and actually quite a few others that I enjoy shooting the breeze with intelligently and politely that keep me coming back here. I am just sorry that so many have left or feel the need to be silent.

Wow felicie - that certainly IS an example of gang mentality. It is also an abuse of the PM facility and you might consider reporting it to the mods.

Nobody should be threatened here, privately or otherwise

 

[jetset]

I couldn't agree more - that is a gross breach of forum behaviour and rules, and should have been reported immediately, leaving the perpetrator to face the consequences of behaving like a schoolyard lout (or lout-ess)

I'm pretty sure they would have found themselves out in the cold for pulling a truly objectionable stunt like that.

But might I make the point that an isolated, albeit shocking, incident like this does not justify characterising the conduct of the forum as prone to something as juvenile as 'ganging up'. I believe a distinction has to be drawn between members legitimately agreeing/disagreeing and mobbing one unfortunate soul.

I guess the incident is history, and that we'll now never find out who the budding Al Capone was - a pity, as I don't think we really need that sort of nonsense here.

 

[felicie]

"I'm pretty sure they would have found themselves out in the cold for pulling a truly objectionable stunt like that."


You'd think so wouldn't you and I'm not sure how far I should go into it here since it's obviously a nasty can of worms and although recent, it is history.

 

[maxd]

If something needs reporting then do it. Abuse of the PM system, not to mention what sounds like unacceptable forum behaviour, is not something to be taken lightly. As the man said "you get what you settle for".

 

[jetset]

These PM exchanges have the potential to generate more violent emotional outbursts, I would think, being out of the public eye (as we have witnessed before now in previous instances).

That makes it all the more essential that members report serious cases of threats, insults or other unacceptable behaviour such as seeking personal 'gifts' or loans, as these are abuses of the system and need to be stopped in their tracks.

As I see it, the advantage of a report is that the offensive material is considered by independent and unbiased CM staff who do not stand on either side of the issue in question, and can therefore impartially hear both sides.

Not that that excuses said excesses of abuse etc., which really need to be stamped out.

But it seems to me that the real responsibility lies with the members. As has so often been said, we're all sentient adults here and we should be capable of restraint and discipline rather than schoolyard threats and insults.