forgotlogin vs BitStarz

[Tirilej]

The point is though, that the player can't really clear himself if he don't know what he's being accused of.

And I'm certainly not biased against the casinos, I can link you to multiple comments where I defend casinos. Here's one: Leovegas balance wiped. And I don't even play on LeoVegas. I might seem biased when compared to most users on this site for being 50/50 and not always believing the casino. I, for one, believe in innocent until proven guilty (and no, not letting the victim defend himself against accusations doesn't count as "proven").

I also keep repeating that I don't think they should give further details either. Letting him (not the forum, just him) know why his money was taken doesn't give him any information of know how he got caught. To people here, a site filled with affiliates who rely on these sites for their livelihood, this might seem fair. But as somebody neutral who hasn't been here very long, who's used to how it works in the real world (and who recently came out of a 7 month trial), the process appears extremely biased. If I wasn't allowed to hear and defend myself against the things my ex said about me, I wouldn't have my son today. And the excuse you repeat simply doesn't hold up. All criminals get to know what they're charged of, just the basic knowledge of what crime it is doesn't give them advantages IF they really did do it. Because if they did it, they'd already know what the crime was.

There are several warning about casinos from the same platform, where the casino hasn't been able to give Maxd the proof he needs in a PAB, to judge against a player. That tells me that he will be fair if this player do a PAB.

The fact that the OP is willing to let it go and just want to warn other players tells me what side to be on. Also offer to have the thread closed for information about what they have seen, is making me very suspicious.

I would love to see a PAB in this case.

 

[Sasukdcf]

I have to say OP

You have nothing to lose getting max to look into it...

I know I would be Pursuing every avenue possible purely or of principle and at the very very least want my deposits back...

I am keeping totally impartial here cos we have too but as a player that’s been on the wrong side of fairness before... I think you are making yourself look a little “ suspect “ by not wanting to pursue it through Max ( I have no idea who max is but would appear he is held in high regard here and bear in mind that we are all players so that has to count for something

Just a thought

 

[forgotlogin]

honestly, im enough satisfied now that at least it has become known that bitstarz can and will confiscate funds without providing a reason.
i do not want to enter a one sided pab process where information is not open and may be manipulated, giving them a chance to clear their name while still being in the wrong

if i have helped one person who was going to deposit there instead choose a more reputable casino i am satisfied.

 

[dunover]

honestly, im enough satisfied now that at least it has become known that bitstarz can and will confiscate funds without providing a reason.
i do not want to enter a one sided pab process where information is not open and may be manipulated, giving them a chance to clear their name while still being in the wrong

if i have helped one person who was going to deposit there instead choose a more reputable casino i am satisfied.

And how do you know this?

If you don't try you won't know.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here as you've been informed there's a neutral and fair arbitration service here which you've repeatedly eschewed, so all we see is you firing off accusations which are unfounded at present.

Use the PAB then you'll get a better idea of the reason and why your dispute has arisen. Unless you already have a good idea...?

 

[forgotlogin]

i meant no offence to casinomeister or its staff, i trust them implicitly.
but i think pab is only worthwhile against established well licensed operators who do not have any reason to lie and cheat the process. bitstarz feels like its run in a basement and is a bitcoin casino licensed by curacao.

 

[Tirilej]

i meant no offence to casinomeister or its staff, i trust them implicitly.
but i think pab is only worthwhile against established well licensed operators who do not have any reason to lie and cheat the process. bitstarz feels like its run in a basement and is a bitcoin casino licensed by curacao.

So I guess that mean you're willing to lose 40 000 and a chance to clear your name? Or are you going to try some other way to clear it up?

 

[dunover]

i meant no offence to casinomeister or its staff, i trust them implicitly.
but i think pab is only worthwhile against established well licensed operators who do not have any reason to lie and cheat the process. bitstarz feels like its run in a basement and is a bitcoin casino licensed by curacao.

Which begs the question - why did you play there in the first place?

Either use the PAB or drop the matter, you're just going round in circles here.

 

[chiya]

What I'm wondering about is how can this or any casino have right to confiscate their DEPOSITS as well. No matter what the reason.. Be it crime/fraud related etc, if you don't refund deposits hasn't the casino then effectively stolen his money? Even if the guy played with stolen money himself how is it now supposedly the casinos money?

 

[forgotlogin]

dunover like i said in my first post, i played there because of the prominent approval given to it at askgamblers.
i have accounts at very many casinos and rarely complain.

yes anyway im happy to drop the matter, but i stand by everything ive said as the whole truth and encourage any posting showing otherwise.
however, i know when im beat. im out. lock thread if thats what you'd like.

 

[Jono777]

I trust homerbert and I don't and never have played at any of his casinos.

I'd stop digging if I were you

 

[forgotlogin]

youre right im a little worried because they know where i live, and i think bitcoin is associated with hitmen.

please close this thread.

 

[SpinUk]

dunover like i said in my first post, i played there because of the prominent approval given to it at askgamblers.
i have accounts at very many casinos and rarely complain.

yes anyway im happy to drop the matter, but i stand by everything ive said as the whole truth and encourage any posting showing otherwise.
however, i know when im beat. im out. lock thread if thats what you'd like.

“im happy to drop the matter”


100% your are guilty of something if you would walk away from 40k like that, you dont be magnanimous for a 40k loss - highroller or no highroller.

I make no excuses if that sounds harsh but this isn’t an open forum for scammers to try their luck pressuring casinos to spill the beans on the the way they got caught.

 

[BeefSpins79]

So you raise a complaint and make accusations about a casino, are advised of the proper channels to follow through with it, then say you don't trust the process and are done with it?

Seems legit.

 

[SpinUk]

youre right im a little worried because they know where i live, and i think bitcoin is associated with hitmen.

please close this thread.

More nonsense

 

[colinsunderland]

What I'm wondering about is how can this or any casino have right to confiscate their DEPOSITS as well. No matter what the reason.. Be it crime/fraud related etc, if you don't refund deposits hasn't the casino then effectively stolen his money? Even if the guy played with stolen money himself how is it now supposedly the casinos money?

It isn't but they could get a chargeback in the future for it, so I wouldn't want to refund them either if I was certain something was up.

Theres something not right here, OP won't start a PAB and from what I can see hasn't started a complaint at AskGamblers where he signed up from. I too trust homerbert , if I could play at his casino I would as he seems a great rep, and for him to say what he has makes me think theres something wrong with the account. Those saying he should say whats wrong, you don't know whats being done behind the scenes (SAR for example) and he might not be able to tell the player.

Having said that there should be something that allows players to see exactly why stuff like this happens, although not in detail to allow others to tweak their method.

 

[greylady]

PAB and clear your name, simple as, if you really think you have a case to answer.

 

[SpinUk]

PAB and clear your name, simple as, if you really think you have a case to answer.

He hasn’t and won’t. I’d hazard a guess why as well, if he’s doing something dodgy there is no way he wants to risk sharing his info with one of the most connected people in the industry (Bryan) for obvious reasons.

 

[Jono777]

I trust homerbert and I don't and never have played at any of his casinos.

I'd stop digging if I were you

youre right im a little worried because they know where i live, and i think bitcoin is associated with hitmen.

please close this thread.

I think you may have misunderstood me.

What I meant was I trust somebody implicitly whom I've had no dealings with in the past, therefore am 100% in their corner and their decisions on this one, sorry!

By stop digging, I meant either admit that you failed to pull the wool over our eyes or do the darn PAB as prompted so many times now.

The only Hitman you will find at these casinos are if they have MGS software

 

[forgotlogin]

this really will be my last reply to this thread:
to all those saying "pab or youre lying" honestly, i just dont want to. if it was a process where i could see and respond to any allegations, i would. im not happy with the non transparent process.

secondly, why would I choose to single out bitstarz in this way, if i had no legitimate grievance? for example, ive recently lost over 50,000 euros in deposits at rizk, and still maintain its one of the best casinos around.

i just cant be bothered anymore defending myself against other members when i just wanted to warn others, period.

 

[sapit222]

Sorry to say but sounds like the OP is trolling.

Thats a lot of money and a PAB is easy to do and doesnt cost anything.

 

[SpinUk]

Tell you what OP - ill PAB on your behalf and if we get it we split the winnings - deal?

#sarcasmmodeoff

 

[lockinlove]

I get the need to want answers to make sure casinos arent just stealing newbies money and claiming some bs term. I feel the same and would love to be given the info so we can all decide what's going on.

In this case, the player has been offered numerous times to use the PAB service which is completely unbias. This person is claiming it is bias before even attempting one. If the PAB was bias all the members would know, the entire gambling community would know, all poker and gaming forums would know and this forum would be known as one big bs shill platform. There is a reason it is not. Why, because many accredited casinos have been found guilty in the PAB and some other reputable casinos. My PAB was in my favor and paid when butlersbingo was accredited and had an active rep on here. Many accredited casinos have lost their accredited status even when they havent stolen from players or anything related to that...see Betat, slottyvegas etc.

The player has outright refused to use a PAB with absolutely lame excuses which scream he is guilty of something. I was hesitant to side with bitstarz because they have a reputation of being a bit shady but the player dug his own grave. Nobody on this planet gives up 40k without a fight when given the option.

Thread should be closed and player banned for trying to use us and this forum to commit fraud.

 

[The Viking]

Weird this for 40 grand ide walk to the end of the world and try every way possible to claim my money
If i was in the clear that is

 

[mack341]

very odd logic from forgotlogin, I can perhaps understand not pursuing the winnings but accepting a confiscation of deposits in such a blasé manner doesn't look good.

Thread should be closed and player banned for trying to use us and this forum to commit fraud.

If this is a case relating to fraud it seems strange to me that the casino simply keeps the deposits and that's the end of the story, surely the licencing authority has to be contacted/involved and the proper action taken regarding proceeds of crime?

 

[forgotlogin]

jesus F christ. i really wanted to stop posting here but..
i never knew it was mandatory to file a pab if you have an issue.
you lot are behaving like wolves.
i love rizk. i love leovegas. slotsmillion are great. they are all properly regulated. bitstarz are as you rightly put it, lockinlove, shady as hell

i might just open a pab just because it seems im being forced to by the voices of the community.