Casumo Source of Wealth issues

I'm just giving up on online casinos now, if this is the road they are taking then it's just not worth it for the few hundred a year I throw down for a bit of fun.

Long as you have your money, forget the account. Plenty of other places to play which at least keep you up to date.

I'm still not any wiser about why one of the documents I sent was rejected, as they don't actually say! They just ask for what I sent already again.

Ho-hum.
 
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Ms Pinette got her first SOW today (non casumo) and refreshingly, it was done after a week of no deposits/play/withdrawals.

She's simply closing the account (as i would) and moving on, safe in the knowledge no withdrawal is having a gun pointed at its head.

I've nowt against SOW in theory. If they want to see my payslip, they can. Beyond that, there's nothing more I can give as that is my only source of income.
 
Long as you have your money, forget the account. Plenty of other places to play which at least keep you up to date.

Exactly, at this point I don't think Casumo would accept anything and it's just a ploy to grab any further deposits. As I'm up at this point, they're probably still willing to accept deposits and cover some of their losses.

I did ask one of the reps about them dropping out of the UK market...they laughed at the idea of it....

Shame as I did like their UI but they've not dropped any valuables in months compared to others that I get messages from with offers, so it does seem they're changing the way they interact with UK customers, unless anyone else has been getting bonus offers from them recently?
 
Many casinos don't send offers to UK players at all as they have to be sure not sending them to potential problem gamblers which is kind of hard to judge so many just stopped them for now.

Basically if any casino have ever interacted with player for RG reasons (just sending email about RG page and how to set limits or what ever after somebody played bit more than usually), player shouldn't receive any bonus offers.

Also UKGC pointed than everything over one hour gameplay can be harmful, it's kind of understandable that you don't want to send these bonus offers when you would almost need to approve them player by player.
 
no 3 total 18k bet
So a guy who bets £18,000 a spin on roulette is agonising over a £4k SOW. Sorry I may be a cynic but I have seen GameRoom on multiple forums and the term "Walter Mitty" springs to mind.

If I had that amount of money I not be spending so much of my time on forums complaining about "minor losses and infractions". I only do it because I am so poor I beg for money from beggars :)

I apologies profusely if I have this wrong
 
Just to add, I am now fully verified with them. Just over two weeks in all; thanks I think in the main to at least one chat operator yesterday (William) who chased up for me, and advised me to send another doc just in case.

I've also been informed their backlog is reducing and they have people working on these 24/7 now.

So, my opinion remains - it's a big pain in the arse, but I can't blame their staff who have been absolutely as helpful as I could realistically expect. Clearly someone high-up has taken the decision to do it without either realising or caring just how long it would take, and maybe now they're getting negatives they've got the overtime wallet out.
 
:D Looking like when ever there is a weekend ahead at casumo, you can say goodbye to normal ''1h-5h'' withdrawal times and prepare yourself to expect your winnings in next couple of days to get approved. Dont know how it is for other gamblers on this forum, but for myself this starts to be new normal with them. Mon-Fri made 5 withdrawals, and all approved withing couple of hours and suddenly friday evening made withdrawal and the waiting begins. Exactly what happened last weekend while they said they got unexpected rush with payments, and that was not first time really..

...Yeah yeah i know they promise 72 hours officially but that seems to be their weekend strategy mostly.
 
Well can you believe this? Actually I am not that surprised, I had already PM’d a few members here and predicted this.

After 3 weeks of waiting, I finally login at Casumo to see all my documents fully verified. Luckily, I didn’t deposit as a while later I get an email saying that my account has been closed.

Just to clarify things I logged in again (which I should not have been able to do) and went on live chat. I was at first told everything looked okay and then when I mentioned the email was told the opposite.

It appears that I have been judged to have a gambling problem. This is despite having a £2,000 a month deposit limit (set by Casumo not me) that I have never come anywhere near to exceeding. Never once in hundreds of withdrawals have I reversed a single one and after 4 years of playing there I am in profit.

How is that irresponsible? If anything, if that is where the bar is set and everyone is judged equally then Casumo would be lucky to have any players left that did not warrant their account being closed.

I could also mention, that if this is judged to be the the real reason my account has been closed, then why have they let me have a £2,000 a month deposit limit for 4 years (when realistically only a small percentage of people have that amount of disposable income). Along with the fact that I could have done myself some considerable damage, that would be way beyond repair by now and I think I would have a reasonable case to claim that they had been negligent in not picking this up much sooner had that been the case.

As I have said though, that is hypothetical (but a point I feel that is valid). You can make up your own minds as to what you make of this situation and I have attached all the relevant information. I appreciate it’s a bit of a chore to read but well worth it for those who might find themselves in a similar predicament.

I don’t want them to consider reopening my account as I wouldn’t feel comfortable playing there anyway. I just wish they could have been honest and said, sorry but you are not a viable prospect judging by the last 4 years transactions. It would still have been annoying but I could have accepted that. I haven’t deleted my surname from the info because they even managed to get that wrong.

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Hi there Mark,

Thank you for your email, I hope that you are doing well.

Here is the conversation:

( 17s ) Casumo-Celina: Welcome to Casumo! You're now chatting with Celina
( 52s ) Mark Edward: Hi Celina, can you check the status of my account please.
( 2m 1s ) Casumo-Celina: Hey there Mark!
( 2m 2s ) Casumo-Celina: I'm checking this for you, please allow me another moment.
( 4m 38s ) Casumo-Celina: From my end - everything looks solid.
We sent you a final statement regarding the account verification by email just a few hours ago to your inbox.
( 5m 26s ) Mark Edward: Yes that email says my account has been closed.
( 8m 13s ) Casumo-Celina: Let me check with the relevant team, as I do not have the authority to check up on the decision - nor the email.
( 8m 26s ) Mark Edward: Okay
( 12m 57s ) Casumo-Celina: Your account was now reviewed and blocked accordingly.
Sorry for the technical delay.
( 16m 17s ) Mark Edward: Would you be able to explain why? I have provided you with all the requested documentation and it has been verified. I have a £2,000 monthly deposit limit which I have never come close to exceeding and my lifetime deposits/withdrawals show I am actually in profit. I would like to know why it has been necessary to close my account?
( 18m 48s ) Casumo-Celina: The actions was taken by the relevant team CasumoCares.
For these closures it's due to our responslible gaming obligations.
( 19m 38s ) Mark Edward: Surely my statistics would prove I am more than responsible.
( 21m 33s ) Casumo-Celina: As I'm not well aware of this situation and the decision - I'd really recommend you to reply to the email if something is unclear, Mark.

I'm very sorry that I'm not able to give you some straight information here through the live chat.
( 25m 29s ) Mark Edward: If the decision has been taken by the Casumo Cares team (who must have decided I have a problem) would it be fair to say after 4 years of allowing me to gamble with Casumo that they have failed massively and been negligent in the past by not protecting me much sooner
( 28m 47s ) Casumo-Celina: I understand what you mean, and that you'll might find the decision unfair as you've been able to play with us for such a long time.

I'm making sure to forward this as feedback to the team, but as mentioned - I'm not aware of what it's based on and could as well have been connected with recent activity only.
( 30m 15s ) Mark Edward: By that I assume you can see I am consistently withdrawing more than I deposit?
( 31m 9s ) Casumo-Celina: Yes.
( 32m 32s ) Mark Edward: Then would it be reasonable to assume that I am not the type of player, Casumo wants because I do not lose enough?
( 33m 54s ) Casumo-Celina: No, we do not have the rights to close an account based on winnings or profits.
( 35m 59s ) Mark Edward: I think you will find you do. Anyway I know there is no point dragging the issue out any further as I have been in a similar situation before and that ended without a satisfactory conclusion also.
( 38m 46s ) Casumo-Celina: Sorry once again for the eventual inconvenience Mark.

Please feel free to reply to the email specifically to the information you want to ask for and I'm sure we will be able to give you a better answer.
( 41m 22s ) Mark Edward: If I may be so bold, I would recommend that the team review all other players on a basis that was parallel to mine, as you must have a lot of players that are well below par compared to myself and you don’t want to be getting another fine do you?Thank you for providing as much information as you could.
( 44m 55s ) Casumo-Celina: Yes, definitely. And we do forward the feedback from the affected players in order to provide as good information as possible for the future.
There are barely any account closures with positive feedback, obviously. But we're trying to do it as good as we can with justified decisions for the matter.

I'm glad I've been able to inform you as much as I can and as a responsible player yourself, it wouldn't hurt to ask for additional information if you're not happy with the decision.
( 45m 21s ) Mark Edward: I have given Casumo my full backing in the past on Casinomeister and stood up for them on a few occasions. I am going to feel such a fool now having to admit I was wrong all along. Hey, that’s life I guess. I take it Casumo will have no objections to me posting this story on the forum?
( 47m 6s ) Casumo-Celina: Absolutely Mark, feel free to give your opinions and experience with us on Casinomeister.
I wouldn't say it's other than right for you to do so.
( 48m 24s ) Mark Edward: Okay, thanks Celina, have a good evening.
( 49m 30s ) Casumo-Celina: Same to you Mark, have a good weekend.
( 50m 10s ) Mark Edward: 駱

Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with,

Kind regards,

Martin
 
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"I have supported Casumo’s mission, defended them in the public fora when they were unfairly attacked, and have given them kudos during presentations at online gaming industry events. Sadly, I can’t find a way to defend them now – and leaving them in the Accredited section puts my reputation at stake and devalues the Accreditation status at Casinomeister. "

That's the bottom line.
 
Updated:

Casumo Review | Grey Zone | Casinomeister®Online Casino Authority

"I have supported Casumo’s mission, defended them in the public fora when they were unfairly attacked, and have given them kudos during presentations at online gaming industry events. Sadly, I can’t find a way to defend them now – and leaving them in the Accredited section puts my reputation at stake and devalues the Accreditation status at Casinomeister. "

That's the bottom line.

Only thing to add - the review still says they don’t accept UK players. They do. Whether they want them is another issue!
 
Really cant understand the logic of how they determined you to have a gambling problem,surely after 4 years
they know their customer, I seem to have more problems with casinos where I am in profit.
Can only think that for some reason they think you would carry on depositing to your limit if you were losing
continuously.Really is a tightrope trying to keep the casinos happy with my play and deposit levels, something
I really shouldnt have to.
 
CasumoCares :laugh: Jesus wept.

Casumo cares that much they will allow you to keep depositing without being able to withdraw any winnings?

As for the closure of Snorky's account for 'gambling problems' I think they might be in for a bit of a shock if they were to look at all of their customer's bank accounts. They'd probably lose 50/60% of their custom by following the line they are taking.
 
Really cant understand the logic of how they determined you to have a gambling problem,surely after 4 years
they know their customer, I seem to have more problems with casinos where I am in profit.
Can only think that for some reason they think you would carry on depositing to your limit if you were losing
continuously.Really is a tightrope trying to keep the casinos happy with my play and deposit levels, something
I really shouldnt have to.
I genuinely believe that players should be asked to declare and E-sign that they don't believe themselves to have a gambling issue. This could be done, say, every 3 months or so. There could also be a separate declaration to say the player understands the tools available to them should they need it. The account should be locked in terms of gameplay until the E-signature is attained.

This takes the due diligence from the casino and puts more responsibility on the player for their own actions.

In clear and obvious cases of customer harm, the casino still reserves the right to intervene.
 
CasumoCares :laugh: Jesus wept.

Casumo cares that much they will allow you to keep depositing without being able to withdraw any winnings?

As for the closure of Snorky's account for 'gambling problems' I think they might be in for a bit of a shock if they were to look at all of their customer's bank accounts. They'd probably lose 50/60% of their custom by following the line they are taking.
Yes I am convinced it is because after 4 years I am slightly ahead. I deposit a lot, I withdraw a lot. GUTS did exactly the same, as I was slightly ahead with them after 2 years.The only difference being they said it was because of bonus abuse. In the previous 6 months they had given me 10 free spins at 20p. It’s laughable at best but from a business point of view I am no good to them.

Hypothetically let’s say I had lost £10,000 over that period (and let’s remember I passed SOW and all other verification). Would they still be closing my account? I highly doubt it as any overseeing organisation would be hard pushed to find them negligible and I would be the perfect customer.

Take that scenario a step further and as a disgruntled player I make a vain attempt to claim Casumo failed to take care of me properly and I want my 10k back. Would anybody give me a chance of succeeding? Would Casumo of turned around and said, “Yes we were wrong have it back”? No of course not, which tells you they are using double standards here and manipulating rules to suit their agenda.

Strange how my withdrawal for £300 stayed pending for 2 weeks and was then paid out, whilst the other guy had his 4K returned to his account and blew it. Who is the more responsible there? Would they have closed his account had he completed SOW? Not a chance, he would probably have been greeted with VIP status.

For any players just getting into online slotting, who may be looking in, I would say be very careful where you play and take heed of what is written here on the forum.

I personally think UK players will find themselves short of somewhere to play in the next 2 years that isn’t asking you to jump through hoops, running games at full rtp or completely trustworthy.
 
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