Casumo Source of Wealth issues

What a shame, once my most trusted go to, well before l and l came along.

Now it’s just not worth the risk even trying a daft tenner deposit, the hassles and BS far outweigh what was a great casino.

fall from grace award if we ever saw one... casumo what the fuck have you done....
 
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What a shame, once my most trusted go to, well before l and l came along.

Now it’s just not worth the risk even trying a daft tenner deposit, the hassles and BS far outweigh what was a great casino.

fall from grace award if we ever saw one... casumo what the fuck have you done....
Always knew you had a split personality. Either that, or a sock
 
I personally think UK players will find themselves short of somewhere to play in the next 2 years that isn’t asking you to jump through hoops, running games at full rtp or completely trustworthy.

UK players will need solid unregulated places to play at. It is literally going to come to this soon.

Funny enough Ive had to say farewell to LVbet just today because I refuse to send in proof of my savings and investments.
 
There will come a point where the regulation will force the hands of casinos and game providers to look the other way. The UK is a huge market for gambling, and ultimately money will talk.
 
There will come a point where the regulation will force the hands of casinos and game providers to look the other way. The UK is a huge market for gambling, and ultimately money will talk.
It is but why do so many choose to leave? More hassle than it’s worth? Thrills used to be my go to Casino and I was amazed when they left and have been followed by others like Vera&John who are decent outfit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Casumo leave it tbh.
 
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That's the bottom line.

thank you for acting so quickly :)
 
Yeah I had my second biggest win ever there, £4800 on Bonanaza then got a few other hits and withdrew £6k about 4 hours after making a £30 deposit!
Was in my account in under 24 hours.

Wouldn't dare play there now, imagine them holding a big win, and I don't care what they say, they have absolutely no right to. Have read on other forums that if you refuse point blank to supply the documents they then proceed to submit a SAR that can cause your bank account to be frozen for days/weeks while it's looked into. If (and I do mean if as I don't know for sure) thats true, then its pretty disgusting. If they suspect something is dodgy, a SAR should be submitted. Not supplying documents cannot make the evidence stronger, as obviously they only have the same as they did before you said no. Therefore the only reason to do that would be to screw you about.

Bryan's back in the next day or so, hopefully he takes a look at the massive number of complaints Casumo are generating at the moment, and how the rep is non responsive.
No other casino are generating anywhere near this many complaints, and no other casino is being as heavy handed with document requests as these are.
As for holding withdrawals but allowing deposits, well thats just predatory.

“If they suspect something is dodgy, a SAR should be submitted. Not supplying documents cannot make the evidence stronger, as obviously they only have the same as they did before you said no. Therefore the only reason to do that would be to screw you about.”

I bet you can count on the fingers of one hand how many of these have been submitted by Casumo. Can you pm me the link to the forum where they have apparantly done it
 
Wouldn't think it's that rare for Casumo to submit SAR/STR:s, think normal average size casinos submit few per month, hard to see them to be that much different with their SOW volumes. Not supplying documents is one quite typical reason to submit SAR, operator is with bit limited options if player not willing to comply with requests (at least it's not any positive sign if not willing to provide requested documents) so asking consent from authorities to release funds to player is safe way out from situation which not getting further. It doesn't have to be anything really dramatic to submit one, just that you are not able to verify which funds are used for deposits, collect account information and all documentation you have to one form and send it, usually getting them back very fast too.
 
its just gone crazy over the last few months with casinos either being shit scared of repercussions and going way over the top with regulation compliance or twisting the requirements to their own advantage, really seeing how low the gaming business can stoop
Very soon Its going to reach the stage where its no longer viable for casinos to operate or players to gamble in the UK. cheers UKGC, you are a disgrace.
 
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Wouldn't think it's that rare for Casumo to submit SAR/STR:s, think normal average size casinos submit few per month, hard to see them to be that much different with their SOW volumes. Not supplying documents is one quite typical reason to submit SAR, operator is with bit limited options if player not willing to comply with requests (at least it's not any positive sign if not willing to provide requested documents) so asking consent from authorities to release funds to player is safe way out from situation which not getting further. It doesn't have to be anything really dramatic to submit one, just that you are not able to verify which funds are used for deposits, collect account information and all documentation you have to one form and send it, usually getting them back very fast too.

But you still need to have a suspicion of ML etc - if, for example, you're SOW'ing your entire client base based on some weird, arbitrary, amount/threshold then it's highly likely you don't have a suspicion, but rather it's just a company policy - in that case, a refusal to supply, wouldn't really be a reason to submit a SAR.
 
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It is but why do so many choose to leave? More hassle than it’s worth? Thrills used to be my go to Casino and I was amazed when they left and have been followed by others like Vera&John who are decent outfit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Casumo leave it tbh.

At the moment - the costs are increasing, the fines can be absolutely massive. Quit the market, hand back the licence, don't pay the fine.
 
I honestly think that an online casino with 100,000 players wont have a single case of money laundering that wasn't blindingly obvious. By blindingly obvious I mean 2 players betting 4 figures on roulette on red/black, or a poker chip dump between players and similar.

For 99.999% of people, they will deposit what they intend to gamble with, and play a very predictable pattern, just like 99.999% of people I have slotted next to or played blackjack with over the last 30 years in land based casinos.

This money laundering excuse is a complete load of BS, it would be so obvious to the casino its unreal.
 
But you still need to have a suspicious of ML etc - if, for example, you're SOW'ing your entire client base based on some weird, arbitrary, amount/threshold then it's highly likely you don't have a suspicion, but rather it's just a company policy - in that case, a refusal to supply, wouldn't really be a reason to submit a SAR.

You don't really need big reason to submit one, if player can't or refuse to comply with request to prove how deposits are funded, you might submit one. Then you often get consent to release funds to player, just filling them take few moments when you build whole story together that total strange person can see everything you can without having access to any systems.
 
I honestly think that an online casino with 100,000 players wont have a single case of money laundering that wasn't blindingly obvious. By blindingly obvious I mean 2 players betting 4 figures on roulette on red/black, or a poker chip dump between players and similar.

For 99.999% of people, they will deposit what they intend to gamble with, and play a very predictable pattern, just like 99.999% of people I have slotted next to or played blackjack with over the last 30 years in land based casinos.

This money laundering excuse is a complete load of BS, it would be so obvious to the casino its unreal.

Usually nothing this cool but it's not unheard that AML directives are broken by using funds which don't really have legal grounds to be used for gambling by person who did that. These ones i would assume every casino have that often that they know how to file SAR.
 
Wouldn't think it's that rare for Casumo to submit SAR/STR:s, think normal average size casinos submit few per month, hard to see them to be that much different with their SOW volumes. Not supplying documents is one quite typical reason to submit SAR, operator is with bit limited options if player not willing to comply with requests (at least it's not any positive sign if not willing to provide requested documents) so asking consent from authorities to release funds to player is safe way out from situation which not getting further. It doesn't have to be anything really dramatic to submit one, just that you are not able to verify which funds are used for deposits, collect account information and all documentation you have to one form and send it, usually getting them back very fast too.

Thats not how SAR's are meant to be done. There has to be at least suspicion or belief that a breach of the money laundering laws is about to take place

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If a person knows or suspects that he or she is about to deal with criminal property (in other words if that person believes that he or she is about to commit one of the principal money laundering offences under sections 327, 328 or 329 of POCA) then it may be a defence to such an offence if that person makes an ’authorised disclosure’ and, if the authorised disclosure is made before the transaction takes place, that he or she has the ’appropriate consent’ to conduct it.

and

3.15 The statutory mechanism under POCA, which allows the NCA to grant permission for a ’prohibited act’ by an operator to go ahead where the operator deals with criminal property, is known as ’appropriate consent’ 18 and may provide the operator with a defence against prosecution for committing a prohibited act. As noted above, where an operator fails to obtain appropriate consent from the NCA, the operator or its employees may be committing a money laundering offence. In order to obtain the appropriate consent, the operator must make an authorised disclosure to the NCA.

3.16 The decision by an operator whether to obtain appropriate consent will arise where the operator believes that, by proceeding with a customer transaction, they will be concealing, disguising, converting, transferring or removing criminal property; facilitating the acquisition, retention, use or control of criminal property by, or on behalf of, another person; or acquiring, using or possessing criminal property.


The casino either thinks or doesn't think an offence is about to take place. Refusing to supply documents should not influence that belief, unless of course the customer states something along the lines of 'I'm not supplying that, I make my money by selling drugs', then it would be grounds to submit a SAR.

They shouldn't even be doing AML checks to this degree unless the customer is deemed high risk.

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18.6 In order to detect customer activity that may be suspicious, it is necessary to monitor all transactions or activity. The monitoring of customer activity should be carried out using a risk-based approach. Higher risk customers should be subjected to a frequency and depth of scrutiny greater than may be appropriate for lower risk customers. Operators should be aware that the level of risk attributed to customers may not correspond to their commercial value to the business.

18.7 Where a customer is assessed as presenting a higher risk, additional information in respect of that customer should be collected. This will help the operator judge whether the higher risk that the customer is perceived to present is likely to materialise, and provide grounds for proportionate and recorded decisions. Such additional information should include an understanding of where the customer’s funds and wealth have come from. The need to 'know your customer' (KYC) is particularly relevant here. While the Commission recognises that some relationships with customers will be transient or temporary in nature, operators still need to give consideration to this issue in relation to all customers.
 
You don't really need big reason to submit one, if player can't or refuse to comply with request to prove how deposits are funded, you might submit one. Then you often get consent to release funds to player, just filling them take few moments when you build whole story together that total strange person can see everything you can without having access to any systems.

Well the NCA tell you you need to 'know' or 'suspect' ML to submit one and pretty sure they wouldn't want to be wading through a load of documents based on a lack of the above?

Edit - Colin got there first.
 
Thats not how SAR's are meant to be done. There has to be at least suspicion or belief that a breach of the money laundering laws is about to take place

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If a person knows or suspects that he or she is about to deal with criminal property (in other words if that person believes that he or she is about to commit one of the principal money laundering offences under sections 327, 328 or 329 of POCA) then it may be a defence to such an offence if that person makes an ’authorised disclosure’ and, if the authorised disclosure is made before the transaction takes place, that he or she has the ’appropriate consent’ to conduct it.

and

3.15 The statutory mechanism under POCA, which allows the NCA to grant permission for a ’prohibited act’ by an operator to go ahead where the operator deals with criminal property, is known as ’appropriate consent’ 18 and may provide the operator with a defence against prosecution for committing a prohibited act. As noted above, where an operator fails to obtain appropriate consent from the NCA, the operator or its employees may be committing a money laundering offence. In order to obtain the appropriate consent, the operator must make an authorised disclosure to the NCA.

3.16 The decision by an operator whether to obtain appropriate consent will arise where the operator believes that, by proceeding with a customer transaction, they will be concealing, disguising, converting, transferring or removing criminal property; facilitating the acquisition, retention, use or control of criminal property by, or on behalf of, another person; or acquiring, using or possessing criminal property.


The casino either thinks or doesn't think an offence is about to take place. Refusing to supply documents should not influence that belief, unless of course the customer states something along the lines of 'I'm not supplying that, I make my money by selling drugs', then it would be grounds to submit a SAR.

They shouldn't even be doing AML checks to this degree unless the customer is deemed high risk.

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18.6 In order to detect customer activity that may be suspicious, it is necessary to monitor all transactions or activity. The monitoring of customer activity should be carried out using a risk-based approach. Higher risk customers should be subjected to a frequency and depth of scrutiny greater than may be appropriate for lower risk customers. Operators should be aware that the level of risk attributed to customers may not correspond to their commercial value to the business.

18.7 Where a customer is assessed as presenting a higher risk, additional information in respect of that customer should be collected. This will help the operator judge whether the higher risk that the customer is perceived to present is likely to materialise, and provide grounds for proportionate and recorded decisions. Such additional information should include an understanding of where the customer’s funds and wealth have come from. The need to 'know your customer' (KYC) is particularly relevant here. While the Commission recognises that some relationships with customers will be transient or temporary in nature, operators still need to give consideration to this issue in relation to all customers.

If you don't know where funds for deposits are from, it's often good enough reason to submit one. If player don't want to comply with request about SOW, it's often really hard to discard your suspicions about these funds. Original request for SOW is done to find out the requested information, if not getting it you shouldn't just let it be but submit SAR as you are suspicious about these funds used (you wouldn't request SOW without any concerns). Can't imagine many other ways to continue your EDD process than submit SAR and assume it's most common reason casinos submit them, it's also much easier to believe something is not legit if player don't wish to comply with your request.

It's not really something what's happening once in year per casino that some player get reported to authorities, these checks are been encouraged to be done more and more by regulators which also cause more to be reported.
 
If you don't know where funds for deposits are from, it's often good enough reason to submit one. If player don't want to comply with request about SOW, it's often really hard to discard your suspicions about these funds. Original request for SOW is done to find out the requested information, if not getting it you shouldn't just let it be but submit SAR as you are suspicious about these funds used (you wouldn't request SOW without any concerns). Can't imagine many other ways to continue your EDD process than submit SAR and assume it's most common reason casinos submit them, it's also much easier to believe something is not legit if player don't wish to comply with your request.

It's not really something what's happening once in year per casino that some player get reported to authorities, these checks are been encouraged to be done more and more by regulators which also cause more to be reported.

But there should be suspicion, or the player be high risk, to start these checks. It's clear from some reports that these aren't high risk players, they are either blanket requesting, or have cash thresholds, neither of which should, alone, trigger an AML SOF request.
If I sign up to a casino tonight, deposit £20, the casino does not know where those funds came from. That isn't reason to submit a SAR or start a SOF process.
 
But there should be suspicion, or the player be high risk, to start these checks. It's clear from some reports that these aren't high risk players, they are either blanket requesting, or have cash thresholds, neither of which should, alone, trigger an AML SOF request.
If I sign up to a casino tonight, deposit £20, the casino does not know where those funds came from. That isn't reason to submit a SAR or start a SOF process.

Exactly.

This is the fundamental point. To trigger SOW you should be under suspicion in the first place and have exhibited playing patterns that need looking into closer. This is why having arbitrary thresholds is ludicrous and why unnecessary angst is being caused.

THIS is where the UKGC are causing all sorts of issues. They should not be fining casinos for cases where there was no suspicious activity by the end user to suggest they were up to no good. Casinos should only be fined where there were CLEAR AND OBVIOUS failings.
 
Sure you first have some documents player provided like bank statement or payslip, if these don't explain where funds are originated, then you have suspicious and if player is not willing to provide any further information about SOF there is often enough reason to submit SAR.
 
Sure you first have some documents player provided like bank statement or payslip, if these don't explain where funds are originated, then you have suspicious and if player is not willing to provide any further information about SOF there is often enough reason to submit SAR.
To be honest with you, all I see you doing is defending the whole debacle. There is no defence. The average casino player should not be cajoled into submitting sensitive documents just so they can have a gamble on the slots. End of story.

The UKGC has gone far too overboard.
 
Sure you first have some documents player provided like bank statement or payslip, if these don't explain where funds are originated, then you have suspicious and if player is not willing to provide any further information about SOF there is often enough reason to submit SAR.
How would you have those if the player wasn't high risk?
Thats also not what you said earlier about the situation.
If you have legitimately started the SOF process for a high risk player, the information provided along with deposit levels, gameplay etc give cause for you to suspect the funds aren't legitimate, and the customer refuses to supply clarification (assuming your requests are reasonable) then yes, a SAR should be submitted.
What casinos shouldn't be doing is blanket requesting every customer, then submitting a SAR when a customer refuses.
 
To be honest with you, all I see you doing is defending the whole debacle. There is no defence. The average casino player should not be cajoled into submitting sensitive documents just so they can have a gamble on the slots. End of story.

The UKGC has gone far too overboard.

Not defending it, trying to clarify some reasonings why these are requested and reported. I'm pretty sure casinos also would be really happy to request much less these as it also cost money in resources and lost players. Fully agree that players shouldn't be asked to provide much financial information than currently is asked but regulators want to see it happening quite a lot.
 
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