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forgotlogin vs BitStarz

xexe said:
The point is though, that the player can't really clear himself if he don't know what he's being accused of.

And I'm certainly not biased against the casinos, I can link you to multiple comments where I defend casinos. Here's one: Leovegas balance wiped. And I don't even play on LeoVegas. I might seem biased when compared to most users on this site for being 50/50 and not always believing the casino. I, for one, believe in innocent until proven guilty (and no, not letting the victim defend himself against accusations doesn't count as "proven").

I also keep repeating that I don't think they should give further details either. Letting him (not the forum, just him) know why his money was taken doesn't give him any information of know how he got caught. To people here, a site filled with affiliates who rely on these sites for their livelihood, this might seem fair. But as somebody neutral who hasn't been here very long, who's used to how it works in the real world (and who recently came out of a 7 month trial), the process appears extremely biased. If I wasn't allowed to hear and defend myself against the things my ex said about me, I wouldn't have my son today. And the excuse you repeat simply doesn't hold up. All criminals get to know what they're charged of, just the basic knowledge of what crime it is doesn't give them advantages IF they really did do it. Because if they did it, they'd already know what the crime was.
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There are several warning about casinos from the same platform, where the casino hasn't been able to give Maxd the proof he needs in a PAB, to judge against a player. That tells me that he will be fair if this player do a PAB.

The fact that the OP is willing to let it go and just want to warn other players tells me what side to be on. Also offer to have the thread closed for information about what they have seen, is making me very suspicious.

I would love to see a PAB in this case.
 
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I have to say OP

You have nothing to lose getting max to look into it...

I know I would be Pursuing every avenue possible purely or of principle and at the very very least want my deposits back...

I am keeping totally impartial here cos we have too but as a player that’s been on the wrong side of fairness before... I think you are making yourself look a little “ suspect “ by not wanting to pursue it through Max ( I have no idea who max is but would appear he is held in high regard here and bear in mind that we are all players so that has to count for something

Just a thought
 
honestly, im enough satisfied now that at least it has become known that bitstarz can and will confiscate funds without providing a reason.
i do not want to enter a one sided pab process where information is not open and may be manipulated, giving them a chance to clear their name while still being in the wrong

if i have helped one person who was going to deposit there instead choose a more reputable casino i am satisfied.
 
forgotlogin said:
honestly, im enough satisfied now that at least it has become known that bitstarz can and will confiscate funds without providing a reason.
i do not want to enter a one sided pab process where information is not open and may be manipulated, giving them a chance to clear their name while still being in the wrong

if i have helped one person who was going to deposit there instead choose a more reputable casino i am satisfied.
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And how do you know this?

If you don't try you won't know.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here as you've been informed there's a neutral and fair arbitration service here which you've repeatedly eschewed, so all we see is you firing off accusations which are unfounded at present.

Use the PAB then you'll get a better idea of the reason and why your dispute has arisen. Unless you already have a good idea...?
 
i meant no offence to casinomeister or its staff, i trust them implicitly.
but i think pab is only worthwhile against established well licensed operators who do not have any reason to lie and cheat the process. bitstarz feels like its run in a basement and is a bitcoin casino licensed by curacao.
 
forgotlogin said:
i meant no offence to casinomeister or its staff, i trust them implicitly.
but i think pab is only worthwhile against established well licensed operators who do not have any reason to lie and cheat the process. bitstarz feels like its run in a basement and is a bitcoin casino licensed by curacao.
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So I guess that mean you're willing to lose 40 000 and a chance to clear your name? Or are you going to try some other way to clear it up?
 
forgotlogin said:
i meant no offence to casinomeister or its staff, i trust them implicitly.
but i think pab is only worthwhile against established well licensed operators who do not have any reason to lie and cheat the process. bitstarz feels like its run in a basement and is a bitcoin casino licensed by curacao.
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Which begs the question - why did you play there in the first place?

Either use the PAB or drop the matter, you're just going round in circles here. :thumbsup:
 
What I'm wondering about is how can this or any casino have right to confiscate their DEPOSITS as well. No matter what the reason.. Be it crime/fraud related etc, if you don't refund deposits hasn't the casino then effectively stolen his money? Even if the guy played with stolen money himself how is it now supposedly the casinos money?
 
dunover like i said in my first post, i played there because of the prominent approval given to it at askgamblers.
i have accounts at very many casinos and rarely complain.

yes anyway im happy to drop the matter, but i stand by everything ive said as the whole truth and encourage any posting showing otherwise.
however, i know when im beat. im out. lock thread if thats what you'd like.
 
forgotlogin said:
dunover like i said in my first post, i played there because of the prominent approval given to it at askgamblers.
i have accounts at very many casinos and rarely complain.

yes anyway im happy to drop the matter, but i stand by everything ive said as the whole truth and encourage any posting showing otherwise.
however, i know when im beat. im out. lock thread if thats what you'd like.
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“im happy to drop the matter”


100% your are guilty of something if you would walk away from 40k like that, you dont be magnanimous for a 40k loss - highroller or no highroller.

I make no excuses if that sounds harsh but this isn’t an open forum for scammers to try their luck pressuring casinos to spill the beans on the the way they got caught.
 
chiya said:
What I'm wondering about is how can this or any casino have right to confiscate their DEPOSITS as well. No matter what the reason.. Be it crime/fraud related etc, if you don't refund deposits hasn't the casino then effectively stolen his money? Even if the guy played with stolen money himself how is it now supposedly the casinos money?
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It isn't but they could get a chargeback in the future for it, so I wouldn't want to refund them either if I was certain something was up.

Theres something not right here, OP won't start a PAB and from what I can see hasn't started a complaint at AskGamblers where he signed up from. I too trust homerbert , if I could play at his casino I would as he seems a great rep, and for him to say what he has makes me think theres something wrong with the account. Those saying he should say whats wrong, you don't know whats being done behind the scenes (SAR for example) and he might not be able to tell the player.

Having said that there should be something that allows players to see exactly why stuff like this happens, although not in detail to allow others to tweak their method.
 
greylady said:
PAB and clear your name, simple as, if you really think you have a case to answer.
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He hasn’t and won’t. I’d hazard a guess why as well, if he’s doing something dodgy there is no way he wants to risk sharing his info with one of the most connected people in the industry (Bryan) for obvious reasons.
 
Jono777 said:
I trust homerbert and I don't and never have played at any of his casinos.

I'd stop digging if I were you ;)
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forgotlogin said:
youre right im a little worried because they know where i live, and i think bitcoin is associated with hitmen.

please close this thread.
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I think you may have misunderstood me.

What I meant was I trust somebody implicitly whom I've had no dealings with in the past, therefore am 100% in their corner and their decisions on this one, sorry!

By stop digging, I meant either admit that you failed to pull the wool over our eyes or do the darn PAB as prompted so many times now.

The only Hitman you will find at these casinos are if they have MGS software :)
 
this really will be my last reply to this thread:
to all those saying "pab or youre lying" honestly, i just dont want to. if it was a process where i could see and respond to any allegations, i would. im not happy with the non transparent process.

secondly, why would I choose to single out bitstarz in this way, if i had no legitimate grievance? for example, ive recently lost over 50,000 euros in deposits at rizk, and still maintain its one of the best casinos around.

i just cant be bothered anymore defending myself against other members when i just wanted to warn others, period.
 
I get the need to want answers to make sure casinos arent just stealing newbies money and claiming some bs term. I feel the same and would love to be given the info so we can all decide what's going on.

In this case, the player has been offered numerous times to use the PAB service which is completely unbias. This person is claiming it is bias before even attempting one. If the PAB was bias all the members would know, the entire gambling community would know, all poker and gaming forums would know and this forum would be known as one big bs shill platform. There is a reason it is not. Why, because many accredited casinos have been found guilty in the PAB and some other reputable casinos. My PAB was in my favor and paid when butlersbingo was accredited and had an active rep on here. Many accredited casinos have lost their accredited status even when they havent stolen from players or anything related to that...see Betat, slottyvegas etc.

The player has outright refused to use a PAB with absolutely lame excuses which scream he is guilty of something. I was hesitant to side with bitstarz because they have a reputation of being a bit shady but the player dug his own grave. Nobody on this planet gives up 40k without a fight when given the option.

Thread should be closed and player banned for trying to use us and this forum to commit fraud.
 
very odd logic from forgotlogin, I can perhaps understand not pursuing the winnings but accepting a confiscation of deposits in such a blasé manner doesn't look good.

lockinlove said:
Thread should be closed and player banned for trying to use us and this forum to commit fraud.
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If this is a case relating to fraud it seems strange to me that the casino simply keeps the deposits and that's the end of the story, surely the licencing authority has to be contacted/involved and the proper action taken regarding proceeds of crime?
 
jesus F christ. i really wanted to stop posting here but..
i never knew it was mandatory to file a pab if you have an issue.
you lot are behaving like wolves.
i love rizk. i love leovegas. slotsmillion are great. they are all properly regulated. bitstarz are as you rightly put it, lockinlove, shady as hell

i might just open a pab just because it seems im being forced to by the voices of the community.
 
forgotlogin said:
jesus F christ. i really wanted to stop posting here but..
i never knew it was mandatory to file a pab if you have an issue.
you lot are behaving like wolves.
i love rizk. i love leovegas. slotsmillion are great. they are all properly regulated. bitstarz are as you rightly put it, lockinlove, shady as hell

i might just open a pab just because it seems im being forced to by the voices of the community.
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What people cant understand (myself included) is how you can just write off 40,000 smackers and not even attempt to use a free service that has reclaimed €5.2 million for players. You obviously wanted to get the money or you wouldn't have posted here but after you have seen the reply from Hombert you know the game is up.

To me that says guilty.

I am happy to eat my words on this but i dont imagine ill have to.
 
Glassheart said:
I am happy to eat my words on this but i dont imagine ill have to.
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can I watch anyways ? :eek2:

on topic, at least something intresting is happening
40k and then refuse to file a PAB and pretend it's nothing ?
what kind of world do you live in that 40k is nothing ?

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Yes, it struck me too that the OP seems to have a (bit of an arrogant) attitude of "40K - it's peanuts to me". Which he tries to substantiate by claiming he deposited over 50K at Rizk. I understand he is (or claims to be) a high roller, but I don't believe for a second that high-end players would simply accept deposits + winnings being removed without any valid reason given. His only role on this forum is to warn and protect others. Not buying that.

Edited to add: but if the latter were true why would he offer to have this thread deleted for information from the casino or out of fear for repercussions (hitmen, really:confused:)?
 
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While I think people were going a little too hard on the "doesn't want to submit pab? 100% chance of guilt" thing, it is very odd that the OP claims that he's happy that the thread is here to warn other players while before he said he would be willing to remove the thread if he received a result he was satisfied with.

The attitude in the first case is, when being willing to remove the thread - "if I get what I want, I don't care if other players have relevant info."

The attitude in the second case, being content that at least the thread is here - "as long as others have relevant info, I'm willing to eat the loss."

Pretty much complete opposite attitudes expressed by OP at different times within the thread.
 
:laugh:40k to almost anyone isn’t a amount to just disregard in order to ‘warn others’
Why on earth would you just write off such a amount?.. it’s bizarre
Also the simple and free option of PAB seems thus far not used either...why?
Also the rep homer seems a stand up guy and his words seem pretty strong and damning to say the least, as always there’s lots more to this story and I just hope we see the outcome.
Also didn’t know dazza g was now a affiliate for nike!..
 
samdog21 said:
well iam not fishy and same thing happened to me at bitzstarz i sent them everthing they ask for 4 times over 300$ they owe me gave up not worth the stress. mr meister you gave a warning about this whole group direx withholding money.i just close my account. and askgamblers please they gave bitzstar an award. samdog21
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Hello @samdog21

If you can PM me your email at bitstarz - I can check why you was asked such docs.

Re warning - we are working on it, I'm working on each and every complaint with Max for pretty much decent time now, and I do not think Max can tell that I was slow or not honest anywhere.

And once again, Bitstarz recently paid over 1kk win within few hours (I checked myself, I know what I'm saying)...

Br,

V.
 
Sometimes money is not worth the stress. Stress can be worse then anything else and at the end of the day do what is best for you. If you have other casino's to play at and you do not want to be bothered with all of this then play at those casinos. 40 grand is a lot of money. I would be glad to get 40 bucks right now :eek2::p. I hope everything works out whatever you decide.
 
forgotlogin said:
youre right im a little worried because they know where i live, and i think bitcoin is associated with hitmen.

please close this thread.
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If you're really serious that you're worried about hitmen, I can assure you that there's no reason to be. They're all a scam, even the infamous Besa Mafia. Their data was leaked and some people got charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

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It wouldn't make any sense for any of them to be real either. You got the bitcoin already, there's no reason to risk prison. Because what are the buyers going to do? Call the police and tell them you didn't kill x person for them? Leave a bad review online?
 
This is an interesting article I missed from december, there's no doubt organised crime wants to get inbedded into the gambling industry, it's easier to money launder if you own a casino/bookmakers or have people on the inside. I doubt the op need worry about an online casino based in curacao coming after him though, if he's feeling philanthropic with his money, submit a pab and if successful donate the 40k to a charity instead.

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Betreels Casino said:
Can Max not simply query this with Bitstarz without a PAB?
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In the old days, sure thing, no problem. But we now live in a world with GDPR rules and the like.

The PAB submission process now requires the PABer give explicit permission for us to discuss their details with the casino. Keeps everything GDPR compliant and soforth.
 
maxd said:
In the old days, sure thing, no problem. But we now live in a world with GDPR rules and the like.

The PAB submission process now requires the PABer give explicit permission for us to discuss their details with the casino. Keeps everything GDPR compliant and soforth.
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Doesn’t GDPR only apply to EU jurisdiction?
 
Playford7 said:
No, I’d not of though so tbh as that’s assuming guilt on the player.
Some clarity here would be lovely.
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What he said was that if it's about bonuses or multiple accounts he can tell the player, but since this is more about fraud or crime then he can't.

They already are assuming the player is guilty or they would have paid.
 
Tirilej said:
What he said was that if it's about bonuses or multiple accounts he can tell the player, but since this is more about fraud or crime then he can't.

They already are assuming the player is guilty or they would have paid.
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Hey sara, hows you?. Surerly tho some clarity would be nice, doesn’t have to be in great detail, but some idea rather than radio silence is more beneficial to us all?.
 
Playford7 said:
Hey sara, hows you?. Surerly tho some clarity would be nice, doesn’t have to be in great detail, but some idea rather than radio silence is more beneficial to us all?.
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well, if he were to file a PAB im fairly certain maxd would post a statement of some sort
 
Playford7 said:
Hey sara, hows you?. Surerly tho some clarity would be nice, doesn’t have to be in great detail, but some idea rather than radio silence is more beneficial to us all?.
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This whole thread is about clarity, and a guy who rather lose 40k then let anyone but the casino see what they have on him.
Clarity is great though so I hope he will give in and PAB :)
 
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