plasticnote
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if slots in 32red are not paying you right now, try play at Dash and Golden lounge.
Just remember, do not claim the SUB unless you were told by CSR.
Sometime, it does the trick.
the more you play the same slot the more you are exposed to it`s TRTP, which as we all know, no matter what it`s actual RTP is, it has an house edge, once you have done well on a slot, change slots .
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There's a reason why all the software makers are releasing high variance games as standard the past few years.....it's what players really want, even if they sometimes say they don't, and it is for THAT reason, and not TRTP etc, that they are "money spinners".
Well, that's it as I don't want to make it any longer or you'll think a certain other member has hacked my account
There's nothing I really disagree with there Nifty, however it would be interesting to see how MG would fare with a new low variance slot if they gave it all the glitz and glamour that they're chucking at the likes of IR and The Dark Knight.
NetEnt seem to do perfectly well with a far wider variance in their games, it strikes me that MG just don't really care to release lower variance slots any more, probably because the higher variance slots are better money spinners for the reasons I've already stated - they invite more play, bigger swings, more losses, and more deposits, which I suspect is why MG tend to stick with them.
Personally speaking I like lower variance slots, the 'all or nothing' profile of MG's recent efforts just doesn't appeal to me, I like playtime as much as winning. Hitting big in the first 10 minutes and then having to call an end to the session isn't fun for me at all, if anything I just feel 'cheated' out of my playtime.
Actually I have to disagree with your here: MG do also release low variance slots - but maybe some people just don't notice them...?NetEnt seem to do perfectly well with a far wider variance in their games, it strikes me that MG just don't really care to release lower variance slots any more, probably because the higher variance slots are better money spinners for the reasons I've already stated - they invite more play, bigger swings, more losses, and more deposits, which I suspect is why MG tend to stick with them.
Actually I have to disagree with your here: MG do also release low variance slots - but maybe some people just don't notice them...?
For instance, the 2 they released last month, Twisted Circus and Phantom Cash are both pretty low variance IMO.
KK
My thoughts exactly, and NetEnt slots give me (often) a lot of playtime. I'll stick to them for a while after having cashed out €1000 on a € 200 deposit at Maxino, I just have this feeling that this casino is going to spoil me again soon with some goodies. An optimistic spirit and a bunch of lower-variance slots should do the trick!
Actually I have to disagree with your here: MG do also release low variance slots - but maybe some people just don't notice them...?
For instance, the 2 they released last month, Twisted Circus and Phantom Cash are both pretty low variance IMO.
KK
It doesn't really matter where you play. If you play regularly you will experience the same bad streaks as you did with MGS or RTG etc.
Yes you are correct that a player will get closer to a slot's T-RTP the longer he plays it (literally tens and hundreds of thousands of spins, though), but it's an absolute nonsense to suggest that a player should move on from a slot once he's done well on it, assuming it is a truly random slot.
On a truly random game there is no 'memory' and no 'compensation', each and every spin of the reels is 100% independent from every other spin of the reels.
If you double your bankroll on a slot then it makes no difference if you carry on playing that slot or move on to something else - your chances of continuing to do well or starting to do badly are not affected in any way by the fact you just doubled your bankroll on it.
Do remember this only applies to a genuinely random slot, however.
Over many many sessions do you have a better chance of making more cash from playing a single slot, or, playing several? .
Assuming that they all have the same RTP, it makes absolutely no difference.
For a high variance slot to payout it`s huge jackpot and increasing some lucky dude`s RTP to 10,000% or so, it has to balance the books somehow, if they all hovered around their RTP`s there wouldn`t be any jackpots, would there .
But that's not how random slots work, a random slot doesn't 'have to balance the books' insofar as it has no knowledge of what it's done before or plan for what it's going to do in the future. It doesn't care what anyone else playing the same slot has or hasn't won, it doesn't care if you just won the jackpot 10 spins ago, the chances of you getting the jackpot again are exactly the same as they were 10 spins ago.
It's like a roulette wheel, after 10 blacks on the trot it doesn't 'have' to spin a red next, or in the next 5 spins, or the next 10 spins, the chances of hitting red or black are always identical on every single spin of the wheel.
A random slot machine is just a roulette wheel with millions of possible outcomes instead of 37.
Choosing which slot to play DOES make a difference in terms of variance, but beyond that, assuming the same RTPs, it's just a case of picking whichever ones you think look and sound nicest.
if a slot has just paid out big and the identical slot next to it has done the complete opposite, then doesn`t it stand to reason that you have more chance of winning on the one that is currently way below it`s TRTP than the one that is well above it, the longer you play on it?.
We all agree on one aspect which is - The longer we play a slot the more we are exposed to it`s RTP, so. if a slot has just paid out big and the identical slot next to it has done the complete opposite, then doesn`t it stand to reason that you have more chance of winning on the one that is currently way below it`s TRTP than the one that is well above it, the longer you play on it?.
Tossing a coin is not subject to a predetermined outcome, slots are.
I hear what both you guys are saying, so, if a slot can pump out jackpots willy nilly, then there is a huge chance they can perform above their RTP, if this was the case it would cost casino`s money, something ensures these slots keep within their respective RTP`s and that something has to be the RNG, otherwise having a precise RTP would be pointless, complete randomness per spin i`m not arguing about, I`m fully aware that you can hit consecutive huge hits, but sooner or later that slot has to balance the books or there would be no need for RTP`s etc.
An over zealous slot paying out huge hits every other spin would be financial suicide, reel strip layouts and the RNG go hand in hand with a slot`s actual RTP, the day I see two screenshots showing x2 consecutive Wild Storm x5 reels wild TSII hits or x2 all reels wild on the Dark Knight Rises I will sit up and take notice.
something ensures these slots keep within their respective RTP`s
anything the has a % attached to it on machines has to be weighted for the outcome to become near this rtp% that is pretty much fact
like already point out if a couple of large hits were paid out , then either the machine would then take over to the rtp% overlaod back into where it should be
Not true at all.
Oh God. Let me share a little story.
10 years ago I was a bar manager and we had a license to operate 10 government owned video slots made byYou do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.(the same company that makes slots for casinos all over the world). Every day, I had to take the money out, count it and look at the numbers (money in vs. money out) to make sure that everything was balancing. The RTP on these video slots was set to 94%. Every single day we had machines that paid more than they received. Sometimes we were even in the red overall which means that the 10 machines, combined, paid more money than they received. (Note that I was reseting the money counters every night, so there was no RTP "carry on to the next day").
At the end of the year, however, the RTP was always winning. There was no need to cheat or compensate, the math alone did the trick.
omg lol ive worked for a old company for serval years which used to be called associated leisure these where uk fruit machine sorry to tell everyone of those machine were indeed set & are still set on todays market you can spill out all the 94% these machines are indeed weighted if you ever come & play in the uk on a pub club machine you will see it states the rtp% it will also state that there is a close sequence of higher wins & jackpots , realy doesnt that tell you something , i name one machine i slot called grand slam by barcrest fruitmachines this machine i had clocked , i could tell you wether it was due to pay out £250 ( in those days ) on spending no more than 25 pounds , you can ask any uk player for uk fruit machines they will all tell you the same thing .