ChipStars vs angry mob

[dunover]

@dunover
Did chipstars.bet ever supply you with an answer to above question?

Nope.

 

[dmr]

Quite so, except we don't go around extorting money out of people under threat of bad publicity. And no, I most certainly won't share the casino's PMs or anything else with you.

Whether you have gambling addiction issues or not is beside the point AFAIC: you have routinely gone after offshore casinos that will accept your bets and judging from what I've seen thusfar you pressure and harass them for your deposits to be returned when you lose. That in itself, your systematic process, is enough to get you kicked to the curb IMO.

I wonder, do you also do this when you win and are paid? Do you return your winnings, demand your deposits back and express your outrage at their bad behaviour for taking your bets in the first place? I rather doubt it. Either way though you've clearly got an agenda going here and I strongly suspect it's a profitable one for you in the long run.

Play the "woe is me and look at all the bad people" routine somewhere else, SVP.

What a load of rubbish. As I have explained before as a disorder gambler I can NEVER win!! Lose and I chase my losses. win and my stakes increase so that I am back again losing and chasing once again. I have only ever won ONCE at any unlicensed/unregulated and they refused to pay and just laughed at me. Of course I knowingly go around trying to find illegal/unregulated and unscrupulous casinos to give my money to in the hope that when I lose I might eventually get my deposits back as obviously there's no stress at all involved in that and absolutely no chance of getting it back. Its called addiction for a reason and it's makes some people act in a way that is completely irrational. As for the "woe is me" catch yourself on. I have merely asked you to find out if chipstars.bet have been accepting UK players during their membership of CM but no-one from CS or the chipstars.bet rep has ever provided the answer.

 

[Webzcas]

You need to seriously visit

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and install their app on all your internet enabled devices. This will stop you dead in your tracks from signing up to any gambling site, let alone playing at them.

As you no doubt have found out, there are hundreds, actually more likely thousands of unlicensed, unregulated offshore gambling sites on the net that take UK players, even though they are not licensed to do so.

You are an adult, the onus is also on you as an adult to take some responsibility for your actions, even though you readily admit above to being a disordered gambler.

Hopefully, you read this post during a moment of clarity and take my advice and visit and download and install BetBlocker. You will thank me for it!

Good luck on your journey. Gambling addiction, like any other addiction can be ruinous.

 

[maxd]

@dmr , Dude, I don't believe a word you say. You want us to believe that you are a victim of your "disorder" by day and just want your money back but (by night perhaps?) you're a crusader for the UK player against casinos that take your "illegal" bets. Horse hockey! I suspect you've been running a profitable scam against casinos that put themselves in a compromised position and you have every intention of continuing to do so. Fine, fill your boots, but check our Terms because you're running well afoul of them if you ask me:

1.11 - Please do not exploit this board to promote your own personal agenda. If the moderators (and members) feel that you are spamming the board with links or ad copy to your website, harassing members with agenda laden posts, or consistently ragging on a casino that did you wrong, etc., your account may be suspended.

 

[dmr]

Nope.

thanks.
Reply from maxd on Monday a5 5:29
"IMHO this business about "illegal bets" is a bit rubbish. It's not illegal if the casino is based and licensed outside the UK regardless of what the UKGC may say. It can certainly be said to be unethical since the UKGC clearly wants everyone everywhere in the world to respect their jurisdiction over UK players but UK laws are not universal and neither is the UKGC."

Has CM stance changed recently?

ALL of the below websites are in the Rogue list due to "illegally" accepting UK players without a UKGC license. The word "illegal" and "illegally" has been written by CM staff in rogue reviews.

Can I ask what the difference is between chipstars.bet taking accepting players without a license as the below casinos who are ALL in CM Rogue Casino List?
Do chipstars.bet they have some sort of immunity?

https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/ramses-gold/
That’s what you need to watch out for. This licensing entity will do nothing if this casino decides to confiscate your winnings. This licensing entity won’t do diddly squat if this casino uses cheating software. To operate a casino using a license from Curaçao eGaming is about as valid as pilot’s license for a cross-eyed hippopotamus. Worthless.
Yet, they are taking punters’ money – illegally I might add. If you are taking bets from the UK and are not licensed by the UKGC, you are not only cheating the system – you are putting UK punters at risk. There is not due diligence and player protection that is required by UKGC licensed casinos.
Here they admit taking UK bets. My chat session with Ramses Gold customer support.
winnermillion Casino Review ☠️ No Pay Bogus Rip-off - Casinomeister
Avoid this casino at all costs. They have been caught accepting players from the UK, and they are ignoring our requests about player complaints. They are confiscating winnings as noted here:
WinnerMillion not paying, no explanation given
And our secret shopper Dunover caught them red-handed accepting him as a player from the UK.
More scum: WinnerMillion Casino – which describes a few more of their shenanigans.
Time Square Casino Review | Rogue | Casinomeister's Rogue Pit
It was reported in July 2017 that Times Square was taking UK bets, but they are not licensed by the UK Gaming Commission. UK players need to avoid this casino at all costs.
https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/smashing-casino/
They are also in violation of the regulations set down by the UKGC. They take bets from the UK and they hold no UKGC license. Proof lies here: one of our Meister Minions was able to sign up from the UK.
This means that punters from the UK are playing at an unauthorized online casino – they better hope that they run into no problems. Which they will.
Their licensing jurisdiction has proven to be flaccid, possibly colluding in the cheating software scandal of 2016.
The bottom line is – no one should be playing at this casino, and no one should be advertising for them as well.
Recent update:

Here is further proof that they are taking bets from the UK without a UKGC license.
https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/gale-and-martin-casino/
Gale Martin is owned and operated Vega World Solutions N.V, a company licensed and registered in Curacao. The site does not hold an online gambling license with the United Kingdom Gambling Commission – so, legally they are not able to accept bets from players in the United Kingdom.
Unfortunately, we’ve seen reports that they are indeed allowing players from the UK – so, if you need any more proof that this site is as bent as they come… well, here you go.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casinomir-com-is-a-scam.90504/
Warning: These casinos target problem gamblers - we have the screenshots to prove it. Casinomir is obviously a front and is in cahoots with this scam.
Don't be a chump - stick with Casinomeister Accredited casinos - or even the Grey Zone casinos - the casinos listed in these two sections will not f*&^ you.
Oh I think will will!!
1xslots Casino Scam: ☠️ Operation - Casinomeister Reviews

Cons
No valid license available
Takes UK bets - not compliant with UKGC
https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/cozyno/
There is nothing cozy about Cozyno – perhaps that’s why it is so stupidly named. Directly connected to Bronze Casino and Black6 which are documented as preying off of problem gamblers and taking illegal bets from the UK without a proper UKGC license.
https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/cherry-fiesta-casino/
Cons
Unlicensed clip shot joint
Targets problem gamblers
Rogued here at Casinomeister
Potentially offers fake games
Illegally accepts players from the UK
https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/red-lion/
In a rather sickening display – and one that furthers our disdain for Red Lion Casino – the casino actually uses keywords about GAMSTOP to show up highly in Google’s search engines. GAMSTOP is a UK-based tool that allows players to automatically apply self-exclusion to all online gambling websites licensed in the UK – and it’s disgusting to see Red Lion Casino using this as a keyword to try and attract players who likely have an online gambling problem and are looking for casinos to play at.
Which is precisely what the casinos 3 casinos I have played at in the past 18 months which I have left reviews about on Trustpilot are doing. I wouldn't say that writing about 3 illegal sites I have played at 18 moths is "routinely going after offshore casinos" but hey ho.

 

[dmr]

@dmr , Dude, I don't believe a word you say. You want us to believe that you are a victim of your "disorder" by day and just want your money back but (by night perhaps?) you're a crusader for the UK player against casinos that take your "illegal" bets. Horse hockey! I suspect you've been running a profitable scam against casinos that put themselves in a compromised position and you have every intention of continuing to do so. Fine, fill your boots, but check our Terms because you're running well afoul of them if you ask me:

good for you and that's your opinion.

I take it you are still going send me the case compiled by chipsatrs.net when you receive it?

 

[Webzcas]

@dmr just in case you missed it

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[Guntis]

fake , that Review is not from UK, his from Morocco, way someone from Morocco cares if this casino accept UK players ? is simple tell UK players they can play in this casino, free advertisement to target UK players
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That a casinoguru man, a micro worker or simply a paid C... lol

 

[maxd]

good for you and that's your opinion.

I take it you are still going send me the case compiled by chipsatrs.net when you receive it?

I said no such thing. What I did say is I'd receive their evidence, look it over, and discuss the matter further with you at that time. Given the current circumstances I'm not at all convinced that will still be necessary -- or worthwhile -- but we'll see what we see.

... Has CM stance changed recently? ...

I do complaints and forum management here at Casinomeister, I neither set nor enforce policy regarding casinos, their licenses, or any other such matters. You'll have to discuss that with @Casinomeister , if he'll give you the time of day which I personally hope he does not. Your intentions are obvious IMHO and I believe your ranting on about licenses is all about you being able to continue to your little "illegal bets! I want my money back" shell game with offshore casinos and not much else. As they say in the movies "begone, and darken my towels no more!".

 

[dmr]

I said no such thing. What I did say is I'd receive their evidence, look it over, and discuss the matter further with you at that time. Given the current circumstances I'm not at all convinced that will still be necessary -- or worthwhile -- but we'll see what we see.

So it would appear that you have already made your mind up?

"Whether you have gambling addiction issues or not is beside the point AFAIC: you have routinely gone after offshore casinos that will accept your bets and judging from what I've seen thusfar you pressure and harass them for your deposits to be returned when you lose. That in itself, your systematic process, is enough to get you kicked to the curb IMO."

So going "after" 3 casinos that I have ben scammed by in the past 18 months is me "routinely going after offshore casinos? The 3 casinos in question that I have used and posted about on Trustpilot ALL advertise/provide links to their casinos on NON-GAMSTOP websites. Yep 1 casino every 6 months and I'm a master criminal in your mind.

 

[dmr]

@maxd one final question and then I'll leave the forum (it will probably save you from banning me anyway )

You said the below

Reply from maxd on Monday a5 5:29
"IMHO this business about "illegal bets" is a bit rubbish. It's not illegal if the casino is based and licensed outside the UK regardless of what the UKGC may say.

Would you explain if that is the case why you have numerous casinos in your Rogue Casino section for in CM own words Illegally" taking bets from the UK.
Ramses Gold Casino
Times Square Casino
Smashing Casino
Gale and Martin Casino
Winnermillion
Cozyno
Cherry Fiesta Casino

 

[maxd]

... So going "after" 3 casinos that I have ben scammed by in the past 18 months is me "routinely going after offshore casinos? ...

As I've said, I don't believe a word you say. These are the casinos you've posted against on TP:

• goldwin.com
• platinumclubvip.com
• Hustlescasino
• BetSwagger Online Casino
• Mystake
• ChipStars

And yes, that does qualify as "routinely" IMO. And don't flatter yourself: I think the evidence strongly indicates that you are a scammer and a fraud, albeit a dedicated one, not a "master criminal".

Aside from any necessary moderation here I'm done with you, at least until I see what the casino has to offer.

 

[dmr]

As I've said, I don't believe a word you say. These are the casinos you've posted against on TP:

• goldwin.com
• platinumclubvip.com
• Hustles casino
• BetSwagger Online Casino
• Mystake
• ChipStars

And yes, that does qualify as "routinely" IMO. And don't flatter yourself: I think the evidence strongly indicates that you are a scammer and a fraud, albeit a dedicated one, not a "master criminal".

Aside from any necessary moderation here I'm done with you, at least until I see what the casino has to offer.

goldwin.com NEVER Used
platinumclubvip.com NEVER used but linked to 11 other scam casinos which I sent you in a PM. All 12 sites are scam sites advertising on NON-GAMSTOP websites
Hustles Casino and Betswagger are one and the same (1) scam sites advertising on NON-GAMSTOP websites
Mystake (2) scam site advertising on NON-GAMSTOP websites
And that leaves chipstars.bet (3) who "illegally accept bets from the UK but manage to stay in your Grey Zone Casino List. As stated before ARE THEY GETTING PREFERENTLY TREATMENT REGARDING THIS "UNETHICAL" PRACTICE?

Just because someone writes a review on TP advising that a casino is illegally accepting UK customers does NOT necessarily mean they have used the casino themselves but are merely pointing out the scam to other people.

So as I have stated before that's 3 casinos used on TP in 18 months. I will continue to provide you with evidence to back everything I say up but you already have your mind made up.

chipstars.bet on the other hand STILL haven't answered the very simple question raised initially on here which was DO THEY ACCEPT UK CUSTOMERS YES/NO.
I'm sure there are plenty of other people who read this forum who would love to know the answer.

I guess we may never know

 

[dmr]

@maxd one final question and then I'll leave the forum (it will probably save you from banning me anyway )

You said the below

Reply from maxd on Monday a5 5:29
"IMHO this business about "illegal bets" is a bit rubbish. It's not illegal if the casino is based and licensed outside the UK regardless of what the UKGC may say.

Would you explain if that is the case why you have numerous casinos in your Rogue Casino section for in CM own words Illegally" taking bets from the UK.
Ramses Gold Casino
Times Square Casino
Smashing Casino
Gale and Martin Casino
Winnermillion
Cozyno
Cherry Fiesta Casino

I take it if you're "done with me" you won't be answering the above.

I'm sure It's not just me that would like to know the answer but I could be wrong.

Anyway goodbye it's been enlightening 👍

 

[Casinomeister]

Ok - this thread has gone into something beyond a simple hijack and derailment.

@dmr - you have a serious issue with self discipline. You are 100% aware that if you are in the UK, casinos licensed by the UKGC are the ones for you. You are an adult - please stick to those casinos licensed in the UK. I should not have to tell you that.

If you are using this forum as a platform to push your agenda - please be advised that you are in a danger zone which might affect your membership.

I explained earlier all about how we review casinos, and the difference between GZ, Accredited, etc., etc., etc., but I am guessing this fell on deaf ears.

Just because we review a casino does not mean it has been given the accolades of an Accredited one. A review is a review.

So I guess the bottomline is that this casino took bets from the UK in the past, but not anymore. Ok - I get it, if that is true it should not have been done. But they aren't taking UK bets now, and via our review this was never the case in point. So what is with the aggressive stance against Casinomeister here?

There is a big difference between a casino that is targeting folks (no matter their geo location) with pirated software - and this Chipstars one. All of those references you made above were casinos targeting folks - especially folks in the UK - with bent software. Big difference. I don't see this happening here.

Again, no UKGC hyperlinked logo - then don't play there. Put on your big boy pants and behave.

 

[Casinomeister]

I take it if you're "done with me" you won't be answering the above.

I'm sure It's not just me that would like to know the answer but I could be wrong.

Anyway goodbye it's been enlightening 👍

Again, what is with you and demanding that people answer your questions? It's getting a bit old.

 

[dmr]

Ok - this thread has gone into something beyond a simple hijack and derailment.

@dmr - you have a serious issue with self discipline. You are 100% aware that if you are in the UK, casinos licensed by the UKGC are the ones for you. You are an adult - please stick to those casinos licensed in the UK. I should not have to tell you that.

If you are using this forum as a platform to push your agenda - please be advised that you are in a danger zone which might affect your membership.

I explained earlier all about how we review casinos, and the difference between GZ, Accredited, etc., etc., etc., but I am guessing this fell on deaf ears.

Just because we review a casino does not mean it has been given the accolades of an Accredited one. A review is a review.

So I guess the bottomline is that this casino took bets from the UK in the past, but not anymore. Ok - I get it, if that is true it should not have been done. But they aren't taking UK bets now, and via our review this was never the case in point. So what is with the aggressive stance against Casinomeister here?

There is a big difference between a casino that is targeting folks (no matter their geo location) with pirated software - and this Chipstars one. All of those references you made above were casinos targeting folks - especially folks in the UK - with bent software. Big difference. I don't see this happening here.

Again, no UKGC hyperlinked logo - then don't play there. Put on your big boy pants and behave.

I'm fully aware of how you review casino so it didn't fall on deaf ears.

I have simply asked the following which is to do with CM stance on whether or not it is "illegal" to accept UK customers with no UK license.

According to what max said on Monday at 5:29 it would appear that the CM stance is that is isn't illegal?
"IMHO this business about "illegal bets" is a bit rubbish. It's not illegal if the casino is based and licensed outside the UK regardless of what the UKGC may say.

I am merely trying to ascertain if CM has changed their stance recently. If so then that would explain things.

If not then could you explain why the below casinos are in your Rogue Casino section for "illegally" taking bets from the UK without a UK license.

Ramses Gold Casino
Times Square Casino
Smashing Casino
Gale and Martin Casino
Winnermillion
Cozyno
Cherry Fiesta Casino

 

[dmr]

Ok - this thread has gone into something beyond a simple hijack and derailment.

@dmr - you have a serious issue with self discipline. You are 100% aware that if you are in the UK, casinos licensed by the UKGC are the ones for you. You are an adult - please stick to those casinos licensed in the UK. I should not have to tell you that.

If you are using this forum as a platform to push your agenda - please be advised that you are in a danger zone which might affect your membership.

I explained earlier all about how we review casinos, and the difference between GZ, Accredited, etc., etc., etc., but I am guessing this fell on deaf ears.

Just because we review a casino does not mean it has been given the accolades of an Accredited one. A review is a review.

So I guess the bottomline is that this casino took bets from the UK in the past, but not anymore. Ok - I get it, if that is true it should not have been done. But they aren't taking UK bets now, and via our review this was never the case in point. So what is with the aggressive stance against Casinomeister here?

There is a big difference between a casino that is targeting folks (no matter their geo location) with pirated software - and this Chipstars one. All of those references you made above were casinos targeting folks - especially folks in the UK - with bent software. Big difference. I don't see this happening here.

Again, no UKGC hyperlinked logo - then don't play there. Put on your big boy pants and behave.

How do you know that chipstars.bet aren't taking UK bets now?

 

[Casinomeister]

I'm fully aware of how you review casino so it didn't fall on deaf ears.

I have simply asked the following which is to do with CM stance on whether or not it is "illegal" to accept UK customers with no UK license.

According to what max said on Monday at 5:29 it would appear that the CM stance is that is isn't illegal?
"IMHO this business about "illegal bets" is a bit rubbish. It's not illegal if the casino is based and licensed outside the UK regardless of what the UKGC may say.

I am merely trying to ascertain if CM has changed their stance recently. If so then that would explain things.

If not then could you explain why the below casinos are in your Rogue Casino section for "illegally" taking bets from the UK without a UK license.

Ramses Gold Casino
Times Square Casino
Smashing Casino
Gale and Martin Casino
Winnermillion
Cozyno
Cherry Fiesta Casino

Painting those casinos with the "taking illegal bets" was easy to do since they were targeting problem players and using pirated software. What you want is for me to put on my lawyer pants and define what is legal or not.... sorry - I don't have any lawyer pants to put on.

What I do have are legal opinions that define what is illegal betting, and Max is correct in stating that if the place of where the servers are located has a license that provides games of luck, then that is where the games are played, and thus it is legal. So I really don't know what you are going on about with all this talk about illegal bets. If the UK says it's illegal for you to play at a casino based in Curacao or Malta - that is between you and the UK. That is beyond the scope of anything we want to concern ourselves with here because where would it stop? What makes the UK so special? Why not go gunning for those casinos still taking bets from Germans, or Canadians, Swedes, whatever? That is serious whack-a-mole action.

It seems what has made the UK so special is because you have a vested interest in these casinos - reading your Trustpilot posts makes that pretty clear.

 

[Casinomeister]

How do you know that chipstars.bet aren't taking UK bets now?

Actually, I could not give a flying rat's ass.

But just tried myself - no joy. So yes, they are not taking UK players from what I know.

 

[dmr]

Actually, I could not give a flying rat's ass.

But just tried myself - no joy. So yes, they are not taking UK players from what I know.

So the truth finally comes out

"Actually, I could not give a flying rat's arse" whether chipstars.bet are taking bets from UK customers now.

It would appear that that has always been the attitude of CM regarding this casino since the beginning of this thread.

Not that it will bother you as "you don't give a flying rat's arse" but I confirm that chipstars.bet are STILL taking sports bets from UK customers as of 5 minutes ago!!

 

[maxd]

... According to what max said on Monday at 5:29 it would appear that the CM stance is that is isn't illegal?
"IMHO this business about "illegal bets" is a bit rubbish. It's not illegal if the casino is based and licensed outside the UK regardless of what the UKGC may say. ...

For the sake of the readership I point out that my statement quoted above began with "IMHO". That doesn't make it CM policy.

IMO I made it clear what _my_ position was: UK laws end at UK borders, just like any other country's laws end at their borders, unless -- as previously stated -- the countries concerned agree otherwise.

So, for the casino based and licensed outside of the UK the "illegal bets" argument is pretty much rubbish because UK laws don't apply to such a casino. Again, as also previously stated, it would be ethical for that casino to respect UK laws but there is effectively nothing saying they must.

_Inside_ the UK obviously UK laws apply, so if the casino people are based here but licensed elsewhere they yeah, they're probably acting outside the law though -- again as previously stated -- I've seen no court rulings to support any of this.

My point and the bottom line here AFAIC is that the UK saying that XYZ is "illegal" regardless of who does it is basically just posturing: they can't extend their laws beyond UK borders without the agreement and compliance of other countries.

 

[Casinomeister]

So the truth finally comes out

"Actually, I could not give a flying rat's arse" whether chipstars.bet are taking bets from UK customers now.

It would appear that that has always been the attitude of CM regarding this casino since the beginning of this thread.

Not that it will bother you as "you don't give a flying rat's arse" but I confirm that chipstars.bet are STILL taking sports bets from UK customers as of 5 minutes ago!!

That's a load of rubbish. Read into it as much as you want and twist my words around to meet your agenda. I have no connecton with this casino whatsoever except we had wrtten a review - which states NO UK.

You are acting as if this casino is up for Accreditation here or something. So yeah - I really don't care about this at the moment. There are far more important things to be dealing with. Whether or not UK players are playing at Chipstars or not is not one of them.

I think it is time to move on from your crusade.

 

[Guntis]

This casino actually accepts UK players.

Their trick is that if you visit it from the UK, you will not see your country when registering. However, if you visit it from another country (i tried from Austria), you will see "United Kingdom" on their country menu. This is obviously made to target UK players since they use VPNs to access similar sites.

 

[Deeplay]

it was only back in Feb 2022 the OP made a complaint that an "offshore" casino would not take his deposits

" I opened a new account from the UK and got the below message.
COMING SOON
Not Yet Available For Your Country.

I’m sure they’ll just be trying to sign up with another dodgy payment provider which is why they cant offer deposits from the UK at the moment."

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