Affiliate Questions, et al

[WagerWitch]

Do you guys find that you make a LOT of money at the beginning of the month - only to have it wiped out near the end of the month by wins?

I'm just curious.

Lately my affiliate sites have been bringing in close to NOTHING.

And I have whales who are playing - but then - somehow MAGICALLY - every month lately - there has been little to no money left in the affiliate account right near the end of the month.

I'm really curious as to whether this is something happening with others as well..

I mean it was possible one time - and quite possible a second and third time...

But a fourth?

And we're talking 3 platforms: MG - Rival - RTG

Any ideas?

 

[jod5413]

Meki,

I think you want to remove this and redo it in a better place, either webs corner or industry threads. You would probably get a better chance at replies, too.

 

[WagerWitch]

Meki,

I think you want to remove this and redo it in a better place, either webs corner or industry threads. You would probably get a better chance at replies, too.

Thanks - but I'm not sure about that - due to the fact that it is the casinos running the affiliate sites - and the casinos reporting the information.

There isn't just an affiliate mosh pit - so I posted it in here - if Max or someone else has a better place to move this to, please do... I just felt that this was the more appropriate place.

Cause I'm not sure that there IS something wrong - just more watching the numbers getting sickeningly low - but seeing the activity - then seeing it drop like a hot potato massively.

 

[KasinoKing]

Do you guys find that you make a LOT of money at the beginning of the month - only to have it wiped out near the end of the month by wins?

One possibility: Your stats look good at the start right after the players have deposited (this is shown as casino gain), but if you have slow players like me they may not finish the WR and withdraw until days or weeks later which would make your stats drop dramatically.

Lately my affiliate sites have been bringing in close to NOTHING.

That's normal.

I'm really curious as to whether this is something happening with others as well..

Any ideas?

Here's my idea; Do what I do. I don't check my stats during the month - I wait until after the end of the month. Then I never get any surprise disappointments like you, but occasionally I get a very pleasant surprise!

KK

PS: I had a quick glance at your site & see you still have Tradition on there. Did you know they have been labeled "Not recommended" by CM and also they are ripping-off affiliates who signed up before mid-March?

 

[WagerWitch]

One possibility: Your stats look good at the start right after the players have deposited (this is shown as casino gain), but if you have slow players like me they may not finish the WR and withdraw until days or weeks later which would make your stats drop dramatically.


That's normal.


Here's my idea; Do what I do. I don't check my stats during the month - I wait until after the end of the month. Then I never get any surprise disappointments like you, but occasionally I get a very pleasant surprise!

KK

PS: I had a quick glance at your site & see you still have Tradition on there. Did you know they have been labeled "Not recommended" by CM and also they are ripping-off affiliates who signed up before mid-March?

Not that I didn't know. I haven't updated in the last month. So should probably do that...

Not recommended is not Rouged yet - and haven't seen the final answer to the situation on there.

Just as an FYI - I've only had ONE person sign up and deposit thru them in MONTHS - and the depositor only deposited like maybe 300/500 - or something like that... ahem.... So you can guess what that meant I got... in the end.

Sigh...

I'm waiting to see what the final end take on this tho guys - I'm always willing to believe in people... Although - that belief is wearing a BIT thin..

If they get rouged - I will notify and or remove.

 

[WagerWitch]

Hey didn't know they were ripping off affiliates - you gotta link I can see?

I am waiting on outcome of rogue/ish etc. here before actually pulling - yanno?
But would like to see anything regarding affiliates being ripped off.


I'm upset with the BJ situation - but I will wait to see the action they take.

 

[dcpam39]

WW, i an not sure you mean to imply this, but it seems from your post that your concern regarding tradition is predicated more on whether the affliates are paid vs whether the players are cheated.

In some ways, understandable, because the affliate business is based on player's losses, but still hard to hear, see in print or understand.

Pam

 

[WagerWitch]

WW, i an not sure you mean to imply this, but it seems from your post that your concern regarding tradition is predicated more on whether the affliates are paid vs whether the players are cheated.

In some ways, understandable, because the affliate business is based on player's losses, but still hard to hear, see in print or understand.

Pam

NOPE.... NOT AT ALL.

Sorry you took it that way - or if my words came across that way (I'm trying not to be so VERBOSE)

Anyhow - I am willing to give a chance to both.

A) IF it was a human error - and Tradition does the RIGHT thing and goes back over their records (which could LITERALLY take weeks) and provides a decent repayment - then they are straight shooting from the hip.

I mean - YOU all must remember Mega Moohlah --- right? Stuff happens.

B) If Tradition decides - OH well - too bad - so sad - then *POOF* they are gone.

1a and b) If CM rouges Tradition - then again - usually most of us webmasters toss rouged casinos.

However - a lot of things must be taken into play. I've seen Tradition work individually with people - and sorry - I have seen some good stuff from them.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt FIRST - then jump ship later if they prove me wrong.

POINT 2 About Affiliates:

I've NEVER heard ANYTHING about Tradition concerning "screwing over affiliates" I got paid... but - I asked for a point in the direction.

Those are just my thoughts on it right now - about Tradition.

However - this discussion is NOT meant to get derailed to JUST Tradition... It is to talk about ALL platforms.

I'm seriously seeing a trend:

About 700 or more in my favor or more around the 20th of the month in supposed real time - then -----sploooooooosh ----- down to 21.00 by the 30th...

Yanno?

Not just once - not just twice - but many times - and across MANY platforms.

I don't hear of people winning... Not much anyhow...

So - this is where my questions are going.

 

[dominique]

Here you go: Link Removed (invalid URL)

They are apparently the ultimate prototype of indiscriminate cheating of players and affs. It stands to reason - cheating anyone means a lack of integrity, and if they cheat their cleaning lady or any other party, chances are you'll get cheated too if you do any business with them.

Re. lower income for affs:

I always keep an eye on how combined winnings compare to combined deposit amounts at any specific casino or group, and if it sinks below a certain threshhold I look at player forums and drop the place if I see complaints. If there are no complaints, I move it to the bottom listing until it improves or drops off the list. If I don't see a good percentage of winners I smell a rat. If all the winners are bunched at the end of the month I smell a different kind of rat.

So, from what I see, winners are about the same as always, but I see the bad economy having an impact - lots of people are cashing out a lot more than they used to. Usually, depending on the size of the win, people will cash out a part and keep playing with the rest. Last year I saw a lot of people cash it all out and stop playing til the next month. This year, so far, the trend has started reversing a little bit, very slowly.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Not that I didn't know. I haven't updated in the last month. So should probably do that...

Your business, no rush, now if the affiliates are getting the shaft as you and Pam conclude (your posts, not ours), maybe you will update sooner

Not recommended is not Rouged yet - and haven't seen the final answer to the situation on there.

Typical affiliate spin BS and as usual incorrect

Sigh...

Rightbackacha

I'm waiting to see what the final end take on this tho guys - I'm always willing to believe in people... Although - that belief is wearing a BIT thin..

Typical affiliate spin BS

If they get rouged - I will notify and or remove.

If they get rogued or rouged??????????? .....Sigh,Sigh,Sigh.........Tradition is ROGUED or ROUGED.

WW, all the above said , and in your defense, I do understand how one may be confused with CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT and the number of Rogue categories. It does appear clearer though if one reads both the descriptions of the "Rogue Section" and each individual category of the "Rogue Section" in the "ROGUE PIT".........Before Mother Teresa (we both know her well, my frienemy,FML) gets all worked up, please accept my apologies for my arrogance

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-affiliate-programs/

"CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT"
"Over the years, Casinomeister's infamous and sometimes coveted "Rogue Section" has spawned into a number of categories - each with it's own level of roguish attributes. There is the most serious level of being a straight out "rogue" operation that is clearly a rip off joint to the lesser "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" and "Stupid Casino Tricks."

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter whether these operations are just plain sloppy or have intentions to cheat - the operations listed within these confines need to be scrutinized by the careful and diligent player. Proceed with caution, and at times - trepidation."

"Casino Warnings
Rogue Casinos
Not Recommended Casinos
Evil Software Providers
Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
Fake Watchdog Sites
Evil webmasters
Dungeon of Evil
On Probation"

FML

 

[WagerWitch]

Originally Posted by WagerWitch View Post
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"Not recommended is not Rouged yet - and haven't seen the final answer to the situation on there."
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"Sigh..."
RightbackachaLink Outdated / Removed

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"I'm waiting to see what the final end take on this tho guys - I'm always willing to believe in people... Although - that belief is wearing a BIT thin.."
Typical affiliate spin BS Link Outdated / Removed

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"If they get rouged - I will notify and or remove."
If they get rogued or rouged??????????? .....Sigh,Sigh,Sigh.........Tradition is ROGUED or ROUGED.

WW, all the above said , and in your defense, I do understand how one may be confused with CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT and the number of Rogue categories. It does appear clearer though if one reads both the descriptions of the "Rogue Section" and each individual category of the "Rogue Section" in the "ROGUE PIT".........Before Mother Teresa (we both know her well, my frienemy,FML) gets all worked up, please accept my apologies for my arrogancehttps://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-affiliate-programs/

"CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT"
"Over the years, Casinomeister's infamous and sometimes coveted "Rogue Section" has spawned into a number of categories - each with it's own level of roguish attributes. There is the most serious level of being a straight out "rogue" operation that is clearly a rip off joint to the lesser "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" and "Stupid Casino Tricks."

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter whether these operations are just plain sloppy or have intentions to cheat - the operations listed within these confines need to be scrutinized by the careful and diligent player. Proceed with caution, and at times - trepidation."

"Casino Warnings
Rogue Casinos
Not Recommended Casinos
Evil Software Providers
Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
Fake Watchdog Sites
Evil webmasters
Dungeon of Evil
On Probation"

FML

You're not funny and you're an ass for posting like that - considering it is not your usual style - and you used this as a direct attack format

NASH I'm surprised at you.

No - I'm not a perfect affiliate - NEVER claimed to be and NEVER will be.

I'm just surprised you took this opportunity to make a PERSONAL attack.

 

[WagerWitch]

Oh - might I add - that unlike a LOT of people - I try and clean up my posts with spellchecker.

Unfortunately Spellchecker Also causes rouge to be the correct spelling for rogue.

But you probably already knew that.

 

[WagerWitch]

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-affiliate-programs/

"CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT"
"Over the years, Casinomeister's infamous and sometimes coveted "Rogue Section" has spawned into a number of categories - each with it's own level of roguish attributes. There is the most serious level of being a straight out "rogue" operation that is clearly a rip off joint to the lesser "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" and "Stupid Casino Tricks."

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter whether these operations are just plain sloppy or have intentions to cheat - the operations listed within these confines need to be scrutinized by the careful and diligent player. Proceed with caution, and at times - trepidation."

"Casino Warnings
Rogue Casinos
Not Recommended Casinos
Evil Software Providers
Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
Fake Watchdog Sites
Evil webmasters
Dungeon of Evil
On Probation"

FML

By the way - I do WANT to point out something.

My reasons for not updating are NO concern of yours - you have NO idea what is going on in my life - and you have NO idea why I am NOT updating.

And personally, it's not your business - and you have no need to know.

You can be snide all you want.

My questions remain the same - and I asked for information - because I don't like to Delete without knowing ALL of the facts.

You are NOT the end all to beat all - nor are YOU perfect.

I never claimed to be either. When I express an opinion - I stand up and admit when I am wrong or right.

AND FOR ANYONE'S INFO - FUNERAL and I MADE UP IN PM - IF YOU HAVE FURTHER PROBLEMS WITH THAT _ TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE...


Stop using every post to personally attack me.

Edited to add:

Not Reccommended and Rogued are 2 different things.
PERIOD - there is NO arguing that.
Not Recommended means that - there has been behavior that might be questionable but that the jury is still OUT as to whether there is actual criminal or absolute rogue behavior.

Remember - sometimes NOT dealing WITH CasinoMeister does not make a casino Rogue - and IF Tradition shapes up - and fixes their 'mistake' then what are they? Just because CM says so is NOT the end all to beat all. Seriously guys - I love CM and respect his opinion on most things - but there ARE casinos that I would have rogued that are still PERFECTLY OK here... and if you don't know that - then you really don't get this online gambling industry... Bottom dollar is the entire point - even for here.

"Simply stated - these are casinos that you should avoid until they have corrected these malfunctions. " Is NOT ROGUED.

Perhaps I am willing to try to see what happens before I just jump the gun?

I say give them the chance to correct what they said they were going to do... And then watch. They HAVE paid out customers - and I haven't seen anything regarding them NOT paying affiliates (which I asked for...).



STOP MAKING this QUESTION - about Tradition... IT IS NOT about TRADITION CASINO. Or are you NOT reading my OP?

 

[bb28]

In Response to the Affiliate Questions post that was moved

I can't respond over there since the post has been moved, but I would like to here.

[Max says: threads have since been merged together]

What I'm going to say has been said many times before but I just wanted to reiterate due to the recent thread where Wager Witch felt she was being put on the spot by Nash. I know it's about personal choice, but yet one shouldn't expect not to get called on the carpet here if it's a known rogue and you as an affiliate are actively promoting them.

If you are going to be a responsible affiliate and you are an active poster here at CM, the bar is raised a little higher as to your standards and ethics regarding who you promote. Maybe it's not fair but that's the way it seems to be here. Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

 

[WagerWitch]

I can't respond over there since the post has been moved, but I would like to here.

What I'm going to say has been said many times before but I just wanted to reiterate due to the recent thread where Wager Witch felt she was being put on the spot by Nash. I know it's about personal choice, but yet one shouldn't expect not to get called on the carpet here if it's a known rogue and you as an affiliate are actively promoting them.

If you are going to be a responsible affiliate and you are an active poster here at CM, the bar is raised a little higher as to your standards and ethics regarding who you promote. Maybe it's not fair but that's the way it seems to be here. Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

Getting called on the carpet is one thing.

Having it done in a PERSONAL affronting attack - Not "showing" properly or explaining the difference, but done in an offensively SNARKY way - is not appropriate.

Just as my FULL response to Funeral wasn't appropriate. The underlying cause was - the extent was not - even tho I NEVER was personal - nor was there an Vendetta on my conversation - and NOT once did I cut funeral down, only the choice of not apologizing and changing - and explained why I did so.

Active AFFILIATES here are under NO GUIDELINES - there is no LAW in this casino world.

I try to maintain decency at my site - but again I am NOT perfect.

Never claimed to be.

BB - you have to realize that the THREAD I posted was not about ME - was NOT about TRADITION - regardless of what you may think in your own mind - the thread was NOT about that - and it was subsequently derailed in a FULL BLOWN attempt to be vindictive and rude.

Sorry - but that is my truth.

Are you trying to say I"M NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Casinomeister?

I mean - let's not beat around the bush.

Are you trying to say I'm not liked at CM and I should just toddle on my way - because you and 5 others think so?

Funeral and I made up - if you don't get that - too bad.

Unless Funeral is personally sniping saying one thing to me and another to you.

I dunno - maybe.. Seems that culture and society often dictate that people are perfunctorily selfish, self serving and vindictive.

But the thread had NOTHING to do with Tradition - and Tradition has NOT BEEN ROGUED as of this point.

They have some ROGUISH behavior - which they are attempting to fix.

IF they fix it - fine - if they don't then they get put on Rogue status.

AGAIN - while I like Bryan and Max tremendously - I also think this is NOT the ONLY site on the internet. Nor is it always right.

I come here because I do have friends here and I do like most everyone.

I learn here - I share my knowledge here - and I get to read other people's opinions and share mine.

I've never said I'm perfect. Never will.

So if you and the little group of 5 don't like me - what the hell am I supposed to do?

Leave - and run away crying?

Because your opinions are different than mine?

I think not.

Therefor - I disagree with your demand that people adhere ONLY to CasinoMeister choices.

Because to be POINT BLANK - CM supports a casino that I think is more Rogue than a few others... Because it is financially prudent.

Does that mean CM sucks? NO - that means he's a business man and a DAMN good one - and he works with people and casinos - and he does a hella lot good for BOTH.

So - seriously - don't get your panties in a wad over me.

I've been in this industry - here and other places.

If Bryan or Max don't like me - and they ask me to leave I will.

But you guys starting your little war because of whatever reasons is NOT going to make me leave.

I'll just ignore you.

Like I suggest you do me.

 

[bb28]

Snipped.....
So - seriously - don't get your panties in a wad over me.

I've been in this industry - here and other places.

If Bryan or Max don't like me - and they ask me to leave I will.

But you guys starting your little war because of whatever reasons is NOT going to make me leave.

I'll just ignore you.

Like I suggest you do me.

Whoa now.......you need to read my post again and not take it as a personal attack, nor do I think Nash meant his post as a personal attack. He was making some points regarding the rogue list and affiliates responsibility. My last sentence in my OP was a question.......so calm down and take a chill pill.

As for my personal opinion, yes I think affiliates should be held to higher standard but yet that gives me no right to tell you what to do or who to put on your page, that is up to you.

Again......I asked a question and I'm curious what others opinions are and I don't mean for it to be aimed at anyone personally, just a simple yes or no and why posters feel the way they do. That was the point of my post.....to get others opinions not single out you. OK?
Oh and I didn't demand anyone do anything......so don't put words in my mouth.

 

[WagerWitch]

Whoa now.......you need to read my post again and not take it as a personal attack, nor do I think Nash meant his post as a personal attack. He was making some points regarding the rogue list and affiliates responsibility. My last sentence in my OP was a question.......so calm down and take a chill pill.

As for my personal opinion, yes I think affiliates should be held to higher standard but yet that gives me no right to tell you what to do or who to put on your page, that is up to you.

Again......I asked a question and I'm curious what others opinions are and I don't mean for it to be aimed at anyone personally, just a simple yes or no and why posters feel the way they do. That was the point of my post.....to get others opinions not single out you. OK?
Oh and I didn't demand anyone do anything......so don't put words in my mouth.

I read your post again.

It literally depicted the situation re: Nash and the previous post.

If you feel Nash didn't sarcastically or rudely emulated my post to Funeral - then maybe you could read those posts again and see how it comes across.

Since you know Nash and his posting style NORMALLY - one would be able to put 2 and 2 together and equate 4.

Yes.

Affiliates SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

Does CM rule the people who come here as affiliates tho?

NO.

He has no hand in their earning - he does not do the work - nor does he require that as a rule to sign on.

Am I upset with the snarkiness here - yes.

Again - TRADITION casino had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST.

The response to my post - if that is what this is - IS A DERAILMENT of the ORIGINAL question - and makes it seem like it's an accounting of affiliates.

You aren't responding to the ORIGINAL POST - you're making a whole nother statement.

Yanno?

And yes. It did feel to me as if it was a personal attack.

Was it?

 

[bb28]

I read your post again.

It literally depicted the situation re: Nash and the previous post.

If you feel Nash didn't sarcastically or rudely emulated my post to Funeral - then maybe you could read those posts again and see how it comes across.

Since you know Nash and his posting style NORMALLY - one would be able to put 2 and 2 together and equate 4.

Yes.

Affiliates SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

Does CM rule the people who come here as affiliates tho?

NO.

He has no hand in their earning - he does not do the work - nor does he require that as a rule to sign on.

Am I upset with the snarkiness here - yes.

Again - TRADITION casino had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST.

The response to my post - if that is what this is - IS A DERAILMENT of the ORIGINAL question - and makes it seem like it's an accounting of affiliates.

You aren't responding to the ORIGINAL POST - you're making a whole nother statement.

Yanno?

And yes. It did feel to me as if it was a personal attack.

Was it?

NO........it was not. ......I don't see how you get that it was. I am curious as to what other people think about the question I posed.

If it's that offensive to you.......Max can delete it.

Max.......can delete the whole thing if he sees it that way. No big deal!

 

[WagerWitch]

NO........it was not. ......I don't see how you get that it was. I am curious as to what other people think about the question I posed.

If it's that offensive to you.......Max can delete it.

Max.......can delete the whole thing if he sees it that way. No big deal!

Perhaps I am being over sensitive.

If so I truly apologize and hope you accept it.

Because the original content of the original post had NOTHING to do with Tradition and was about affiliates noticing that their numbers going down and usually only at the end of the month and NOT about whether affiliates on Casinomeister should follow casinomeister choices on how business operates...

Or even if affiliates are good or bad or display good or bad casionos...

It was about numbers and KK Broght up Tradition on my site... and mentioned they had not paid affiliates... which I had not seen... which then led to someone asking me if I valued players being cheated over affiliates being cheated to which I said HUH?

No.

And then Nash with his commentary whcih was designed completely ou of Nash's normal style and mimicing my rant at Funeral's lack of full clearance of the op on 3dice... and was thanked by the same people who got upset with my posting.

If that isn't singling out someone and playing snarky gang up I don't know what is.

In finishing that after I called Nash on it you created this post which mentions me...

You say it is a reply to my thread...

And you state that afffiliates who post here should follow certain rules laid out by Cm

Hmmm since this truly isn't a reply to MY QUESTION AT ALL...

It felt like a little snark and felt like you were trying to insinuate without outright saying it... that you felt I personally wasn't following the rules of popular Cm.. and perhaps....

Can you even remotely see how I could possibly attribute this post in that way?

 

[dcpam39]

Therefor - I disagree with your demand that people adhere ONLY to CasinoMeister choices.

Because to be POINT BLANK - CM supports a casino that I think is more Rogue than a few others... Because it is financially prudent.

Does that mean CM sucks? NO - that means he's a business man and a DAMN good one - and he works with people and casinos - and he does a hella lot good for BOTH.

WagerWitch, which casino are you referring to, if you don't mind sharing, I have no clue,
Pam

 

[bb28]

I can see how you could and I should have titled it differently and sometimes I don't think things through, it was the thought on what others opinions are as to affiliates responsiblities was my intent. Yes it came partly from reading that thread and from things you and others said, but yet it was not solely to do with you or Tradition. It's affiliates in general and wondering what others opinions are. Again, I didn't demand anything about affiliates, I asked for opinions and I did state my view on it, which is just my 2 cents.

I do apologize that I offended you.

 

[WagerWitch]

I can see how you culd and I should have titled it differently and sometimes I don't think things through, it was the thought on what others opinions are as to affiliates responsiblities was my intent. Yes it came partly from reading that thread and from things you and others said, but yet it was not solely to do with you or Tradition. It's affiliates in general and wondering what others opinions are. Again, I didn't demand anything about affiliates, I asked for opinions and I did state my view on it, which is just my 2 cents.

I do apologize that I offended you.

I accept your apology and I hope that you accept mine as well.

I, too, often have opinions and enjoy sharing them and sometimes unless I get very wordy and remin specfic, sometimes they come out the wrong way depending on the circumstances.

So you're not alone in that *wink*

 

[bb28]

OK...........we are good then and yes I accept your apology.

Now.......back to the original intent of my post. Maybe Max will change the title. The question is......Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

 

[jod5413]

Hell, where's the popcorn and beer?

Hey Meki,

Just so you know, me and Nash are not friends, BB and I are forum friends, and we are not part of the group of five you were talking about. And, Nash was posting like he always does. I guess you haven't been around here enough to see that.

Now, back to the original stuff.

Yes, I would think any affiliates that are members here, should follow Bryan's standards on rogue casinos. Otherwise the affiliate member here that lists his site might be sending players from here to a bad casino. Do you follow me? I am not good at explaining sometimes.

 

[bb28]

Hell, where's the popcorn and beer?


Hey Meki,

Just so you know, me and Nash are not friends, BB and I are forum friends, and we are not part of the group of five you were talking about. And, Nash was posting like he always does. I guess you haven't been around here enough to see that.

Now, back to the original stuff.

Yes, I would think any affiliates that are members here, should follow Bryan's standards on rogue casinos. Otherwise the affiliate member here that lists his site might be sending players from here to a bad casino. Do you follow me? I am not good at explaining sometimes.

Ha.......Ha, I guess I can supply one if Wager Witch will supply the other, or better yet get your own.

What the hell is that about some group? If it's the shit list...I think I'm already on it.

Anyway thanks for the response to the question.

Sorry I had to derail.......we needed a bit of humor.

 

[just play]

Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

I think this is up to Casinomeister.

Is it listed here anywhere that is the rule? If not, then I would disagree, if Bryan has no problem with it, and this is his site, why should anyone else have a problem with it?

Of course my opinion would be opposite if Bryan did have a problem with it.

 

[chuchu59]

While I would agree with BB28's statement it could do with a little refinement for clarity's sake. How about swapping the words 'adhere to' with 'not promote casinos in'. Would this change the original meaning?

IMHO the words 'adhere to' seem a bit dictatorial.

 

[bb28]

While I would agree with BB28's statement it could do with a little refinement for clarity's sake. How about swapping the words 'adhere to' with 'not promote casinos in'. Would this change the original meaning?

IMHO the words 'adhere to' seem a bit dictatorial.

Very Good ChuChu...........and I agree. So now the question is....Active affiliates here at meisterland should not promote casinos that are on CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

 

[LaurieJim]

Just my 2 cents if you please, common sense trumps over whether a casino is considered rogue or not.

With all the Tradition issues about cheating and not paying those players that deposited their hard earned money there, its a slap in any players face to see them still being promoted by some affiliates.

When it comes down to it, who means more, the player who trusts your judgement or the Casino who may or may not have been cheating players, the proof is hard to dispute and its always better to air on the side of caution imo.

I like your site WW and the way you handle yourself, as far as BB goes, she is a good person and i dont think she is trying to attack you, she just wanted a answer , she is very passonate about these things as we all should be, after all it is about" whats best for the online player and not the affiliate or casino".........right?


Laurie

 

[WagerWitch]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

 

[jod5413]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

That is not what BB is saying, I don't think. There are a lot of good casinos that Bryan does not promote himself.

Example: Slotland

They are not rogued by Bryan but he doen't have them here.

Hope I am being clear with this, yes?

 

[WagerWitch]

Again tradition casino has said that they are working on the current issue.

Nobody jumped all mg casinos when mega moolah did something very similar.

Yes they are not recomended but if the fix the issue they will be removed from that position

I can't update my site for about a week.... so maybe they'll have this taken care of by then... who knows. It is a lot of work and very expensive.

Anyhow... for cm to say people can't post if they have casinos that are on any part of those lists is saying CM isn't in the biz of helping but is more in the biz of telling people how to operate... which slips down a very slippery slope of financial manipulation...

Which I cannot see bryan considering.

Hell I could be wrong but I don't think so.

 

[chuchu59]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

Hey Witchie,

There is some difference. Not promoting rogue casinos is one thing. Whether or not affiliates are promoting casinos that CM supports is another. There are many casinos that are neither in the accredited nor rogue list. One could try to recall what the casinos in the rogue list have done to players. I understand that it may be quite stern to request affiliates not to promote them but it will also be beneficial to them and players alike in the long one especially as far as integrity is concerned. We can all band together to weed out the undesirables and ensure that the rogues wither and die.

As long as there are active promoters for the rogues, they will not wither and fade away and that does not bode well for the industry. We have always tried to devise a solution to starve the rogues like Virtual but this has never succeeded. Can this be a start now?

 

[bb28]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

I almost hate to bring this up for fear of it being misunderstood, but I never said anything about only promoting casino's approved by CM. The question relates to promoting rogues. That's it......nothing about any other guidelines.

Bryan's rogue list is a well respected often cited source, and there are many webmasters who do use it as their bible.

 

[bb28]

Again tradition casino has said that they are working on the current issue.

Nobody jumped all mg casinos when mega moolah did something very similar.

Yes they are not recomended but if the fix the issue they will be removed from that position

I can't update my site for about a week.... so maybe they'll have this taken care of by then... who knows. It is a lot of work and very expensive.

Anyhow... for cm to say people can't post if they have casinos that are on any part of those lists is saying CM isn't in the biz of helping but is more in the biz of telling people how to operate... which slips down a very slippery slope of financial manipulation...

Which I cannot see bryan considering.

Hell I could be wrong but I don't think so.

You have really misunderstood........I never suggested that Bryan should tell webmasters who they can or can't promote, I asked a question, which was, Active affiliates here at meisterland should not promote casinos that are on CM's rogue list........agree or disagree? My question goes out to players and affiliates. I never, ever suggested that CM should tell anyone how to operate concerning the casino's (on the approved list or not) other than the rogues.

 

[WagerWitch]

That is not what BB is saying, I don't think. There are a lot of good casinos that Bryan does not promote himself.

Example: Slotland

They are not rogued by Bryan but he doen't have them here.

Hope I am being clear with this, yes?

It still allows an avenue for improper and monopoly behavior.

Bryan is not a king (although he is hot!!!) And we are not serfs.

It permits the window of blackmail to casinos should someone not like them and thousands of other opportunities.

Not that bryan would do that but it could be done.

Besides what better way to teach people than by example instead of forced ruling??

 

[bb28]

It still allows an avenue for improper and monopoly behavior.

Bryan is not a king (although he is hot!!!) And we are not serfs.

It permits the window of blackmail to casinos should someone not like them and thousands of other opportunities.

Not that bryan would do that but it could be done.

Besides what better way to teach people than by example instead of forced ruling??

Again my question only pertains to rogues, not any other casino's. You realize that a casino has to screw up pretty badly to be put on his rogue list right? It's not something that he seems to take lightly or frivolously slaps them on that list. They have to be a pretty big screw up in order to deserve that honor.

ChuChu did a great post and had some food for thought, how about going back and reading his post.

 

[WagerWitch]

Again who is going to regulate this concept?

The posters? The people in the forum? CM?

It is an uncomfortable question because. Where will the answers one way or another lead?

I am uncomfortable with it because if Bryan were to take a majority of yea answers and implement it ~ what would that make him?

And if not this permits a gang up action on the forums against affiliates... which truthfully is no ones business and each person should already be acting on their own concious and honor.

They should probably not be forced by ostrization from the masses.

Keep in mind gambling for affiliates is a business.

Forums are for learning, sharing and communication.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

You have really misunderstood........I never suggested that Bryan should tell webmasters who they can or can't promote, I asked a question, which was, Active affiliates here at meisterland should not promote casinos that are on CM's rogue list........agree or disagree? My question goes out to players and affiliates. I never, ever suggested that CM should tell anyone how to operate concerning the casino's (on the approved list or not) other than the rogues.

WW claimed and still claims Tradition was not rouged or rogued.

Thereafter, she continually accuses me of a personal attack (and more) when I clearly express an apology for my prior arrogance with 2 smilies in my post and also defend how one or in this case, WW could be confused by the semantics of the Rogue Pit.

If there was any sort of attack in my post, it would have been my shot at most affiliates in general and their real agendas which are quite the contrary to the hypocritical words they continue to express.

The defense of Tradition/Rival/BC still by WW, enuff said and IGGY time!

 

[WagerWitch]

WW claimed and still claims Tradition was not rouged or rogued.

Thereafter, she continually accuses me of a personal attack (and more) when I clearly express an apology for my prior arrogance with 2 smilies in my post and also defend how one or in this case, WW could be confused by the semantics of the Rogue Pit.

If there was any sort of attack in my post, it would have been my shot at most affiliates in general and their real agendas which are quite the contrary to the hypocritical words they continue to express.

The defense of Tradition/Rival/BC still by WW, enuff said and IGGY time!

Sorry Nash - there IS a difference between Not Recommended and Rogued.

ALL are PLAY at your OWN risk.

However - your commentary to me was PERSONAL and I feel that you were and still are VERY rude.

Please DO ignore me. I would appreciate it.

 

[WagerWitch]

Again my question only pertains to rogues, not any other casino's. You realize that a casino has to screw up pretty badly to be put on his rogue list right? It's not something that he seems to take lightly or frivolously slaps them on that list. They have to be a pretty big screw up in order to deserve that honor.

ChuChu did a great post and had some food for thought, how about going back and reading his post.

I read Chu''s and everyone's posts.

I'm still saying that policing affiliates isn't our job.

It's something the affiliates should do on their own.

NATURALLY.

I - USUALLY - keep my site updated with the latest information - and with the rogued casinos removed.

Usually MOST affiliates who "know" do the same.

However - to create an animosity - or to create a "US" vs. "THEM" --- or even a vicious behavior towards people who don't conform to "THIS" specific list is an open armed welcoming to Monopolization.

You lose those affiliates who haven't learned.
You lose those affiliates who believe that people and places change and need a chance.

ALSO - THERE ARE other places that have "rogued" casinos in their own - yet CM still promotes them...

So - does that say you are putting up a dividing line?

And does that say you are "THE ONLY AUTHORITY" that matters?

Are you saying that only people of a certain "ilk" are permitted to post or be active?

That's a lotta condemnation to everyone - that doesn't just "FOLLOW" one particular site's belief.

Keep in mind - I think that CasinoMeister is usually right on... (I don't believe anyone is ALWAYS right...)

I generally think that the FULL ON ROGUE status is RIGHT ON.

But it is my interpretation that until it hits that last ROGUE status - they are still "semi ok"...

Sorry - NASH - your "PRESSURING ME" like a mafia because YOU believe it to be so - is not enough to warrant ME taking them off my site...

I --- BELIEVE --- there is a possibility that they can be redeemed....

I believe that this POSSIBLY could have been a mistake.

I HAVE NOT --- YET --- seen the link to Tradition not paying.

AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE - this thread OP wasn't ABOUT Tradition...

Isn't ANYONE getting that yet?

This thread is about casino affiliates NOTICING high numbers in the beginning of the month - only to have a limited small amount at the end of the month in SEVERAL MONTHS trend.

Thank you for understanding that.

I'm TRYING to understand a pattern I am seeing here.


NOW LET US GET THIS STRAIGHT...

In MY book TRADITION is TRYING to FIX things..

THEY ARE NOT ROGUED --- YET.

When they GET Rogued - I will seriously remove them.

I believe giving them the chance - just like MG - where Moohlah was doing EXACTLY the same thing (only it was a variance payout)....

If they do fix it - then voila - solved.
If they don't - I remove them when I can update my site.

SIMPLE... For me anyhow.

Considering I have Casinomeister Promotion on my site as well - and not just in ONE place - the concept that I don't deserve to have my link here absolutely stinks.

What the suggestion of saying CM affiliates can't promote something and must adhere to this - actually makes membership less than desireable - cause then everyone would be a "serf-bot"

4.4 - Linked Websites

The linked pages must not advertise casinos listed in the Rogue Pit. If Casinomeister subsequently rogues a casino, a webmaster is not obligated to remove that casino but will seriously consider its positioning.

Now - keep in mind - Tradition WAS on my site before this issue came up...

When EVERYONE was touting how great they are.

Now - because I choose to hold off until they are Rogued completely - YOU ARE THE MORAL POLICE?

Not even amusing.

Sorry - that's very poor mentality.

And I'm not going to just JUMP because you're snapping a Forum Baton in your hand like a dirty police officer.

Sorry - INTIMIDATION does not work.

 

[WagerWitch]

Also this Jump on someone - Gang Up mentality - because you DON'T LIKE who is on their site - is ABSOLUTELY and STUNNINGLY BRILLIANT.

Wait - do the "good" casinos PAY you to do it?

I mean - hey - why not...

No - seriously - here's the deal...

The ORIGINAL question - without all this stupid side derailment because NASH decided that I MUST --- MUST --- MUST do as he says - and jump to the curb because HE SAYS Rival and Tradition are bad...

Sorry - THEY very well may be - but I'm waiting to see for myself.

Don't I have the right to do that????

AND --- the ORIGINAL...

ORIGINAL question...



So - let me guess - every time I post now - someone is gonna bring something up - Because YOU guys are NOW the CASINOMEISTER FORUM AFFILIATE POLICE?

You gotta be kidding me.

 

[WagerWitch]

For EVERYONE Curious:

Here's Bryan's comment right here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/forum-rule-4-4.36624/

Thanks for this - a very informative post.

As for the topic of "promoting known rogues", there are a number of issues which makes this a rather complex one.

There are just as many reasons to be tossed into the rogue section as there are casinos: customer service issues, business ethics, marketing, non-payments, bad software, etc.,etc., etc.

I don't expect every webmaster to agree with me, but I feel that webmasters who wish to link their sigs to their sites review their affiliated casinos to ensure that these casinos are treating their players properly. If there are questionable casinos being promoted, I hope that these webmasters question themselves as to why these casinos are being promoted. If they are promoting casinos that have a history of screwing players over, then these affiliates should remove their links from the signature.

Casinomeister is not a website that dictates to affiliates who they should or should not promote. I only hope that the information provided here will convince webmasters to participate in this industry responsibly, and to not give credence to badly managed or ethically challenged operations.

We don't have a HISTORY with Tradition of them screwing over players A LOT.. We have an ISSUE that happened. And quite possibly HUMAN error... Which means point blank - they SHOULD have the OPPORTUNITY to clean it up.

Am I wrong on that?

Is there something I'm missing?

CAN we PLEASE get off of Tradition - or do you so desperately NEED someone and something to drama up?

 

[AussieDave]

Nobody jumped all mg casinos when mega moolah did something very similar.

Mega Moolah had a timing glitch that presented the wheel spin for the jackpots slightly off alignment. That I believe was when it was first released and was rectified.

FYI all players who had played Mega Moolah were refunded all their money back that they'd bet on Mega Moolah.

From memory the Mega Moolah thread raised some heated exchanges. But that's a totally different story than what happen to Tradition...

Tradition was busted tampered with the blackjack pay-out taking it from 3:2 --> 1:1 (even) odds.

Big difference.

We don't have a HISTORY with Tradition of them screwing over players A LOT.. We have an ISSUE that happened. And quite possibly HUMAN error... Which means point blank - they SHOULD have the OPPORTUNITY to clean it up.

But we also have proof back to 2006 that Rival was tweaking slots after they were released. Just cause Tradition got it's hand caught in the cookie jar this time, doesn't mean that they or another Rival haven't got the munchies before. But haven't been caught out.

I'm still waiting on tradition to pay out the players who got stiffed. I would think that would be the major concern right now.


Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

I've received two complaints now from folks who want to post in this thread but can't because you need to be a Webmeister to post in the Marketing forum.

To be honest I don't read this forum much so I hope I'm not making a mess of things but I'm going to move this to Online Casinos (temporarily?) so the others can chip in here per their request.

Please feel free to inform me via PM if I have let the cat in the canary cage or somesuch here by doing the move.

Thanks,
Max.

 

[WagerWitch]

Mega Moolah had a timing glitch that presented the wheel spin for the jackpots slightly off alignment. That I believe was when it was first released and was rectified.

FYI all players who had played Mega Moolah were refunded all their money back that they'd bet on Mega Moolah.

From memory the Mega Moolah thread raised some heated exchanges. But that's a totally different story than what happen to Tradition...

Tradition was busted tampered with the blackjack pay-out taking it from 3:2 --> 1:1 (even) odds.

Big difference.



But we also have proof back to 2006 that Rival was tweaking slots after they were released. Just cause Tradition got it's hand caught in the cookie jar this time, doesn't mean that they or another Rival haven't got the munchies before. But haven't been caught out.

I'm still waiting on tradition to pay out the players who got stiffed. I would think that would be the major concern right now.


Cheers



Dave

OK...

Thank you for that info Dave.

I believe that makes more sense.

I also think the issue with Rival being able to tweak things - well hell - Casinos on Land can Tweak their machines...

Anyhow - the Tradition ISSUE - sigh... Beating a dead horse.

I WANT TO SEE THEM PAY OUT ALL THE BJs wrong payments.

If they do - then everyone will be happy - right? Bottom line RIGHT?



Max - I ORIGINALLY had this posted in the casino spot.

If more people want to comment - I don't care - as long is it isn't snippity and nasty and PERSONAL.

I don't deserve that.


THE ORIGINAL POST WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF AFFILIATES NOTICED DIFFERING PAYOUTS --- LATELY.

Can people just answer that?

Or are we starting a NEW RIVAL - TRADITION - roast WagerWitch because she believes in trying to give them a chance and can't change her website right now anyway - so let's keep roasting her????

Cause if that is what you're going to be like - I see NO NEED to stay where I'm not wanted or needed.

I don't need to participate at CasinoMeister...

I thought this was an OPEN community where people shared - and helped and worked together...

But instead have found it to be uncivil, rude and just bizarre... lately.

 

[Pinababy69]

Dave, can you hurry up and get your forum operational? I'm trying to be civil, but it's getting harder and harder. And I'm getting sick of hearing how it's nobody's business how affiliates run their websites. When it's in the public domain...it's EVERYONE's business.

 

[WagerWitch]

Dave, can you hurry up and get your forum operational? I'm trying to be civil, but it's getting harder and harder. And I'm getting sick of hearing how it's nobody's business how affiliates run their websites. When it's in the public domain...it's EVERYONE's business.

Pina - I am SHOCKED at you.

Seriously it is NOBODY's Business to tell OTHER people what to do.

I think - and this is JUST my humble opinion: Affiliates should maintain their sites with HONOR.

True or not true?

This should be done on their OWN - and not because someone TELLS them to.

Which means some people will make mistakes.

But to FORCEFULLY tell others how to run their business is not any better than a business being run badly.

I change my SIGNATURE to MEET YOUR request.

What the hell else do you want? To wash your feet? Make sure I buy the same laundry detergent? What?

I mean seriously - this is NOT the police forum.

 

[bb28]

Wager Witch you are one who keeps harping on and on about Tradition and how you are being ganged up on and your rights and freedom as a webmaster. Geez woman, no one is wanting to burn you at the stake. You've worked yourself into quite a tizzy over not much of nothing.

I started a different thread asking a question, you took it personal, I should have changed the title of my thread in hind sight and now Max merged the threads which makes it a little more confusing. Nash wasn't picking on you, he would have said that to anyone who is defending Tradition/Rival. He does have a bone to pick with Rival and yes he has a right to. Nash was just speaking typical Nash speak.

Stuff like this makes me wonder why I even post..........or care.

 

[Webzcas]

My interpretation of Forum Rule 4.4 is that no one should link in their signature to sites that promote casinos which are deemed as rogue on CasinoMeister.

Bryan and Simmo are ultimately responsible for ensuring that this rule is adhered to.

The purpose of this rule is to ensure that casinos deemed as rogue by CasinoMeister do not indirectly benefit from traffic from CasinoMeister, by way of posters on this forum linking to their portals where said designated rogue casinos are promoted.

It is actually quite straightforward and not hard to understand. If a poster or posters do link to or indeed operate sites that promote casinos deemed as rogue by CasinoMeister, then said poster should expect to be called on it.