Affiliate Questions, et al

WagerWitch

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Do you guys find that you make a LOT of money at the beginning of the month - only to have it wiped out near the end of the month by wins?

I'm just curious.

Lately my affiliate sites have been bringing in close to NOTHING.

And I have whales who are playing - but then - somehow MAGICALLY - every month lately - there has been little to no money left in the affiliate account right near the end of the month.

I'm really curious as to whether this is something happening with others as well..

I mean it was possible one time - and quite possible a second and third time...

But a fourth?

And we're talking 3 platforms: MG - Rival - RTG

Any ideas?
 

WagerWitch

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Meki,

I think you want to remove this and redo it in a better place, either webs corner or industry threads. You would probably get a better chance at replies, too.

Thanks - but I'm not sure about that - due to the fact that it is the casinos running the affiliate sites - and the casinos reporting the information.

There isn't just an affiliate mosh pit - so I posted it in here - if Max or someone else has a better place to move this to, please do... I just felt that this was the more appropriate place.

Cause I'm not sure that there IS something wrong - just more watching the numbers getting sickeningly low - but seeing the activity - then seeing it drop like a hot potato massively.
 

KasinoKing

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Do you guys find that you make a LOT of money at the beginning of the month - only to have it wiped out near the end of the month by wins?
One possibility: Your stats look good at the start right after the players have deposited (this is shown as casino gain), but if you have slow players like me they may not finish the WR and withdraw until days or weeks later which would make your stats drop dramatically.

Lately my affiliate sites have been bringing in close to NOTHING.
That's normal. :(

I'm really curious as to whether this is something happening with others as well..

Any ideas?
Here's my idea; Do what I do. I don't check my stats during the month - I wait until after the end of the month. Then I never get any surprise disappointments like you, but occasionally I get a very pleasant surprise! ;)

KK

PS: I had a quick glance at your site & see you still have Tradition on there. Did you know they have been labeled "Not recommended" by CM and also they are ripping-off affiliates who signed up before mid-March?
 

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One possibility: Your stats look good at the start right after the players have deposited (this is shown as casino gain), but if you have slow players like me they may not finish the WR and withdraw until days or weeks later which would make your stats drop dramatically.


That's normal. :(


Here's my idea; Do what I do. I don't check my stats during the month - I wait until after the end of the month. Then I never get any surprise disappointments like you, but occasionally I get a very pleasant surprise! ;)

KK

PS: I had a quick glance at your site & see you still have Tradition on there. Did you know they have been labeled "Not recommended" by CM and also they are ripping-off affiliates who signed up before mid-March?

Not that I didn't know. I haven't updated in the last month. So should probably do that...

Not recommended is not Rouged yet - and haven't seen the final answer to the situation on there.

Just as an FYI - I've only had ONE person sign up and deposit thru them in MONTHS - and the depositor only deposited like maybe 300/500 - or something like that... ahem.... So you can guess what that meant I got... in the end.

Sigh...

I'm waiting to see what the final end take on this tho guys - I'm always willing to believe in people... Although - that belief is wearing a BIT thin..

If they get rouged - I will notify and or remove.
 

WagerWitch

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Hey didn't know they were ripping off affiliates - you gotta link I can see?

I am waiting on outcome of rogue/ish etc. here before actually pulling - yanno?
But would like to see anything regarding affiliates being ripped off.


I'm upset with the BJ situation - but I will wait to see the action they take.
 

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WW, i an not sure you mean to imply this, but it seems from your post that your concern regarding tradition is predicated more on whether the affliates are paid vs whether the players are cheated.

In some ways, understandable, because the affliate business is based on player's losses, but still hard to hear, see in print or understand.

Pam
 

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WW, i an not sure you mean to imply this, but it seems from your post that your concern regarding tradition is predicated more on whether the affliates are paid vs whether the players are cheated.

In some ways, understandable, because the affliate business is based on player's losses, but still hard to hear, see in print or understand.

Pam

NOPE.... NOT AT ALL.

Sorry you took it that way - or if my words came across that way (I'm trying not to be so VERBOSE)

Anyhow - I am willing to give a chance to both.

A) IF it was a human error - and Tradition does the RIGHT thing and goes back over their records (which could LITERALLY take weeks) and provides a decent repayment - then they are straight shooting from the hip.

I mean - YOU all must remember Mega Moohlah --- right? Stuff happens.

B) If Tradition decides - OH well - too bad - so sad - then *POOF* they are gone.

1a and b) If CM rouges Tradition - then again - usually most of us webmasters toss rouged casinos.

However - a lot of things must be taken into play. I've seen Tradition work individually with people - and sorry - I have seen some good stuff from them.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt FIRST - then jump ship later if they prove me wrong.

POINT 2 About Affiliates:

I've NEVER heard ANYTHING about Tradition concerning "screwing over affiliates" I got paid... but - I asked for a point in the direction.

Those are just my thoughts on it right now - about Tradition.

However - this discussion is NOT meant to get derailed to JUST Tradition... It is to talk about ALL platforms.

I'm seriously seeing a trend:

About 700 or more in my favor or more around the 20th of the month in supposed real time - then -----sploooooooosh ----- down to 21.00 by the 30th...

Yanno?

Not just once - not just twice - but many times - and across MANY platforms.

I don't hear of people winning... Not much anyhow...

So - this is where my questions are going.
 

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They are apparently the ultimate prototype of indiscriminate cheating of players and affs. It stands to reason - cheating anyone means a lack of integrity, and if they cheat their cleaning lady or any other party, chances are you'll get cheated too if you do any business with them.

Re. lower income for affs:

I always keep an eye on how combined winnings compare to combined deposit amounts at any specific casino or group, and if it sinks below a certain threshhold I look at player forums and drop the place if I see complaints. If there are no complaints, I move it to the bottom listing until it improves or drops off the list. If I don't see a good percentage of winners I smell a rat. If all the winners are bunched at the end of the month I smell a different kind of rat.

So, from what I see, winners are about the same as always, but I see the bad economy having an impact - lots of people are cashing out a lot more than they used to. Usually, depending on the size of the win, people will cash out a part and keep playing with the rest. Last year I saw a lot of people cash it all out and stop playing til the next month. This year, so far, the trend has started reversing a little bit, very slowly.
 

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Not that I didn't know. I haven't updated in the last month. So should probably do that...
Your business, no rush, now if the affiliates are getting the shaft as you and Pam conclude (your posts, not ours), maybe you will update sooner:thumbsup:

Not recommended is not Rouged yet - and haven't seen the final answer to the situation on there.
Typical affiliate spin BS and as usual incorrect;)


Rightbackacha:cool:

I'm waiting to see what the final end take on this tho guys - I'm always willing to believe in people... Although - that belief is wearing a BIT thin..
Typical affiliate spin BS;)

If they get rouged - I will notify and or remove.
If they get rogued or rouged??????????? :rolleyes:.....Sigh,Sigh,Sigh;).........Tradition is ROGUED or ROUGED.

WW, all the above said , and in your defense, I do understand how one may be confused with CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT and the number of Rogue categories. It does appear clearer though if one reads both the descriptions of the "Rogue Section" and each individual category of the "Rogue Section" in the "ROGUE PIT".........Before Mother Teresa (we both know her well, my frienemy,FML) gets all worked up, please accept my apologies for my arrogance:):)
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue

"CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT"
"Over the years, Casinomeister's infamous and sometimes coveted "Rogue Section" has spawned into a number of categories - each with it's own level of roguish attributes. There is the most serious level of being a straight out "rogue" operation that is clearly a rip off joint to the lesser "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" and "Stupid Casino Tricks."

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter whether these operations are just plain sloppy or have intentions to cheat - the operations listed within these confines need to be scrutinized by the careful and diligent player. Proceed with caution, and at times - trepidation."

"Casino Warnings
Rogue Casinos
Not Recommended Casinos
Evil Software Providers
Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
Fake Watchdog Sites
Evil webmasters
Dungeon of Evil
On Probation"


FML
 

WagerWitch

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Originally Posted by WagerWitch View Post
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"Not that I didn't know. I haven't updated in the last month. So should probably do that..."
Your business, no rush, now if the affiliates are getting the shaft as you and Pam conclude (your posts, not ours), maybe you will update soonerhttp://www.casinomeister.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Quote:
"Not recommended is not Rouged yet - and haven't seen the final answer to the situation on there."
Typical affiliate spin BS and as usual incorrect http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif


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"Sigh..."
Rightbackachahttp://www.casinomeister.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

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"I'm waiting to see what the final end take on this tho guys - I'm always willing to believe in people... Although - that belief is wearing a BIT thin.."
Typical affiliate spin BS http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Quote:
"If they get rouged - I will notify and or remove."
If they get rogued or rouged??????????? .....Sigh,Sigh,Sigh.........Tradition is ROGUED or ROUGED.

WW, all the above said , and in your defense, I do understand how one may be confused with CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT and the number of Rogue categories. It does appear clearer though if one reads both the descriptions of the "Rogue Section" and each individual category of the "Rogue Section" in the "ROGUE PIT".........Before Mother Teresa (we both know her well, my frienemy,FML) gets all worked up, please accept my apologies for my arrogancehttp://www.casinomeister.com/rogue


"CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT"
"Over the years, Casinomeister's infamous and sometimes coveted "Rogue Section" has spawned into a number of categories - each with it's own level of roguish attributes. There is the most serious level of being a straight out "rogue" operation that is clearly a rip off joint to the lesser "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" and "Stupid Casino Tricks."

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter whether these operations are just plain sloppy or have intentions to cheat - the operations listed within these confines need to be scrutinized by the careful and diligent player. Proceed with caution, and at times - trepidation."

"Casino Warnings
Rogue Casinos
Not Recommended Casinos
Evil Software Providers
Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
Fake Watchdog Sites
Evil webmasters
Dungeon of Evil
On Probation"


FML


You're not funny and you're an ass for posting like that - considering it is not your usual style - and you used this as a direct attack format

NASH I'm surprised at you.

No - I'm not a perfect affiliate - NEVER claimed to be and NEVER will be.

I'm just surprised you took this opportunity to make a PERSONAL attack.
 
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WagerWitch

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Oh - might I add - that unlike a LOT of people - I try and clean up my posts with spellchecker.

Unfortunately Spellchecker Also causes rouge to be the correct spelling for rogue.

But you probably already knew that.
 

WagerWitch

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http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue

"CASINOMEISTER'S ROGUE PIT"
"Over the years, Casinomeister's infamous and sometimes coveted "Rogue Section" has spawned into a number of categories - each with it's own level of roguish attributes. There is the most serious level of being a straight out "rogue" operation that is clearly a rip off joint to the lesser "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" and "Stupid Casino Tricks."

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter whether these operations are just plain sloppy or have intentions to cheat - the operations listed within these confines need to be scrutinized by the careful and diligent player. Proceed with caution, and at times - trepidation."

"Casino Warnings
Rogue Casinos
Not Recommended Casinos
Evil Software Providers
Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
Fake Watchdog Sites
Evil webmasters
Dungeon of Evil
On Probation"


FML

By the way - I do WANT to point out something.

My reasons for not updating are NO concern of yours - you have NO idea what is going on in my life - and you have NO idea why I am NOT updating.

And personally, it's not your business - and you have no need to know.

You can be snide all you want.

My questions remain the same - and I asked for information - because I don't like to Delete without knowing ALL of the facts.

You are NOT the end all to beat all - nor are YOU perfect.

I never claimed to be either. When I express an opinion - I stand up and admit when I am wrong or right.

AND FOR ANYONE'S INFO - FUNERAL and I MADE UP IN PM - IF YOU HAVE FURTHER PROBLEMS WITH THAT _ TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE...


Stop using every post to personally attack me.

Edited to add:

Not Reccommended and Rogued are 2 different things.
PERIOD - there is NO arguing that.
Not Recommended means that - there has been behavior that might be questionable but that the jury is still OUT as to whether there is actual criminal or absolute rogue behavior.

Remember - sometimes NOT dealing WITH CasinoMeister does not make a casino Rogue - and IF Tradition shapes up - and fixes their 'mistake' then what are they? Just because CM says so is NOT the end all to beat all. Seriously guys - I love CM and respect his opinion on most things - but there ARE casinos that I would have rogued that are still PERFECTLY OK here... and if you don't know that - then you really don't get this online gambling industry... Bottom dollar is the entire point - even for here.

"Simply stated - these are casinos that you should avoid until they have corrected these malfunctions. " Is NOT ROGUED.

Perhaps I am willing to try to see what happens before I just jump the gun?

I say give them the chance to correct what they said they were going to do... And then watch. They HAVE paid out customers - and I haven't seen anything regarding them NOT paying affiliates (which I asked for...).



STOP MAKING this QUESTION - about Tradition... IT IS NOT about TRADITION CASINO. Or are you NOT reading my OP?
 
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bb28

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In Response to the Affiliate Questions post that was moved

I can't respond over there since the post has been moved, but I would like to here.

[Max says: threads have since been merged together]

What I'm going to say has been said many times before but I just wanted to reiterate due to the recent thread where Wager Witch felt she was being put on the spot by Nash. I know it's about personal choice, but yet one shouldn't expect not to get called on the carpet here if it's a known rogue and you as an affiliate are actively promoting them. :D

If you are going to be a responsible affiliate and you are an active poster here at CM, the bar is raised a little higher as to your standards and ethics regarding who you promote. Maybe it's not fair but that's the way it seems to be here. :cool: Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?
 
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WagerWitch

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I can't respond over there since the post has been moved, but I would like to here.

What I'm going to say has been said many times before but I just wanted to reiterate due to the recent thread where Wager Witch felt she was being put on the spot by Nash. I know it's about personal choice, but yet one shouldn't expect not to get called on the carpet here if it's a known rogue and you as an affiliate are actively promoting them. :D

If you are going to be a responsible affiliate and you are an active poster here at CM, the bar is raised a little higher as to your standards and ethics regarding who you promote. Maybe it's not fair but that's the way it seems to be here. :cool: Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?


Getting called on the carpet is one thing.

Having it done in a PERSONAL affronting attack - Not "showing" properly or explaining the difference, but done in an offensively SNARKY way - is not appropriate.

Just as my FULL response to Funeral wasn't appropriate. The underlying cause was - the extent was not - even tho I NEVER was personal - nor was there an Vendetta on my conversation - and NOT once did I cut funeral down, only the choice of not apologizing and changing - and explained why I did so.

Active AFFILIATES here are under NO GUIDELINES - there is no LAW in this casino world.

I try to maintain decency at my site - but again I am NOT perfect.

Never claimed to be.

BB - you have to realize that the THREAD I posted was not about ME - was NOT about TRADITION - regardless of what you may think in your own mind - the thread was NOT about that - and it was subsequently derailed in a FULL BLOWN attempt to be vindictive and rude.

Sorry - but that is my truth.

Are you trying to say I"M NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Casinomeister?

I mean - let's not beat around the bush.

Are you trying to say I'm not liked at CM and I should just toddle on my way - because you and 5 others think so?

Funeral and I made up - if you don't get that - too bad.

Unless Funeral is personally sniping saying one thing to me and another to you.

I dunno - maybe.. Seems that culture and society often dictate that people are perfunctorily selfish, self serving and vindictive.

But the thread had NOTHING to do with Tradition - and Tradition has NOT BEEN ROGUED as of this point.

They have some ROGUISH behavior - which they are attempting to fix.

IF they fix it - fine - if they don't then they get put on Rogue status.

AGAIN - while I like Bryan and Max tremendously - I also think this is NOT the ONLY site on the internet. Nor is it always right.

I come here because I do have friends here and I do like most everyone.

I learn here - I share my knowledge here - and I get to read other people's opinions and share mine.

I've never said I'm perfect. Never will.

So if you and the little group of 5 don't like me - what the hell am I supposed to do?

Leave - and run away crying?

Because your opinions are different than mine?

I think not.

Therefor - I disagree with your demand that people adhere ONLY to CasinoMeister choices.

Because to be POINT BLANK - CM supports a casino that I think is more Rogue than a few others... Because it is financially prudent.

Does that mean CM sucks? NO - that means he's a business man and a DAMN good one - and he works with people and casinos - and he does a hella lot good for BOTH.

So - seriously - don't get your panties in a wad over me.

I've been in this industry - here and other places.

If Bryan or Max don't like me - and they ask me to leave I will.

But you guys starting your little war because of whatever reasons is NOT going to make me leave.

I'll just ignore you.

Like I suggest you do me.
 

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Snipped.....
So - seriously - don't get your panties in a wad over me.

I've been in this industry - here and other places.

If Bryan or Max don't like me - and they ask me to leave I will.

But you guys starting your little war because of whatever reasons is NOT going to make me leave.

I'll just ignore you.

Like I suggest you do me.

Whoa now.......you need to read my post again and not take it as a personal attack, nor do I think Nash meant his post as a personal attack. He was making some points regarding the rogue list and affiliates responsibility. My last sentence in my OP was a question.......so calm down and take a chill pill.

As for my personal opinion, yes I think affiliates should be held to higher standard but yet that gives me no right to tell you what to do or who to put on your page, that is up to you.

Again......I asked a question and I'm curious what others opinions are and I don't mean for it to be aimed at anyone personally, just a simple yes or no and why posters feel the way they do. That was the point of my post.....to get others opinions not single out you. OK?
Oh and I didn't demand anyone do anything......so don't put words in my mouth.
 

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Whoa now.......you need to read my post again and not take it as a personal attack, nor do I think Nash meant his post as a personal attack. He was making some points regarding the rogue list and affiliates responsibility. My last sentence in my OP was a question.......so calm down and take a chill pill.

As for my personal opinion, yes I think affiliates should be held to higher standard but yet that gives me no right to tell you what to do or who to put on your page, that is up to you.

Again......I asked a question and I'm curious what others opinions are and I don't mean for it to be aimed at anyone personally, just a simple yes or no and why posters feel the way they do. That was the point of my post.....to get others opinions not single out you. OK?
Oh and I didn't demand anyone do anything......so don't put words in my mouth.


I read your post again.

It literally depicted the situation re: Nash and the previous post.

If you feel Nash didn't sarcastically or rudely emulated my post to Funeral - then maybe you could read those posts again and see how it comes across.

Since you know Nash and his posting style NORMALLY - one would be able to put 2 and 2 together and equate 4.

Yes.

Affiliates SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

Does CM rule the people who come here as affiliates tho?

NO.

He has no hand in their earning - he does not do the work - nor does he require that as a rule to sign on.

Am I upset with the snarkiness here - yes.

Again - TRADITION casino had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST.

The response to my post - if that is what this is - IS A DERAILMENT of the ORIGINAL question - and makes it seem like it's an accounting of affiliates.

You aren't responding to the ORIGINAL POST - you're making a whole nother statement.

Yanno?

And yes. It did feel to me as if it was a personal attack.

Was it?
 

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I read your post again.

It literally depicted the situation re: Nash and the previous post.

If you feel Nash didn't sarcastically or rudely emulated my post to Funeral - then maybe you could read those posts again and see how it comes across.

Since you know Nash and his posting style NORMALLY - one would be able to put 2 and 2 together and equate 4.

Yes.

Affiliates SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

Does CM rule the people who come here as affiliates tho?

NO.

He has no hand in their earning - he does not do the work - nor does he require that as a rule to sign on.

Am I upset with the snarkiness here - yes.

Again - TRADITION casino had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST.

The response to my post - if that is what this is - IS A DERAILMENT of the ORIGINAL question - and makes it seem like it's an accounting of affiliates.

You aren't responding to the ORIGINAL POST - you're making a whole nother statement.

Yanno?

And yes. It did feel to me as if it was a personal attack.

Was it?

NO........it was not.:confused: ......I don't see how you get that it was. I am curious as to what other people think about the question I posed.

If it's that offensive to you.......Max can delete it.

Max.......can delete the whole thing if he sees it that way. No big deal!
 

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NO........it was not.:confused: ......I don't see how you get that it was. I am curious as to what other people think about the question I posed.

If it's that offensive to you.......Max can delete it.

Max.......can delete the whole thing if he sees it that way. No big deal!

Perhaps I am being over sensitive.

If so I truly apologize and hope you accept it.

Because the original content of the original post had NOTHING to do with Tradition and was about affiliates noticing that their numbers going down and usually only at the end of the month and NOT about whether affiliates on Casinomeister should follow casinomeister choices on how business operates...

Or even if affiliates are good or bad or display good or bad casionos...

It was about numbers and KK Broght up Tradition on my site... and mentioned they had not paid affiliates... which I had not seen... which then led to someone asking me if I valued players being cheated over affiliates being cheated to which I said HUH?

No.

And then Nash with his commentary whcih was designed completely ou of Nash's normal style and mimicing my rant at Funeral's lack of full clearance of the op on 3dice... and was thanked by the same people who got upset with my posting.

If that isn't singling out someone and playing snarky gang up I don't know what is.

In finishing that after I called Nash on it you created this post which mentions me...

You say it is a reply to my thread...

And you state that afffiliates who post here should follow certain rules laid out by Cm

Hmmm since this truly isn't a reply to MY QUESTION AT ALL...

It felt like a little snark and felt like you were trying to insinuate without outright saying it... that you felt I personally wasn't following the rules of popular Cm.. and perhaps....

Can you even remotely see how I could possibly attribute this post in that way?
 

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Therefor - I disagree with your demand that people adhere ONLY to CasinoMeister choices.

Because to be POINT BLANK - CM supports a casino that I think is more Rogue than a few others... Because it is financially prudent.

Does that mean CM sucks? NO - that means he's a business man and a DAMN good one - and he works with people and casinos - and he does a hella lot good for BOTH.

WagerWitch, which casino are you referring to, if you don't mind sharing, I have no clue,
Pam
 
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