Affiliate Questions, et al

[just play]

Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

I think this is up to Casinomeister.

Is it listed here anywhere that is the rule? If not, then I would disagree, if Bryan has no problem with it, and this is his site, why should anyone else have a problem with it?

Of course my opinion would be opposite if Bryan did have a problem with it.

 

[chuchu59]

While I would agree with BB28's statement it could do with a little refinement for clarity's sake. How about swapping the words 'adhere to' with 'not promote casinos in'. Would this change the original meaning?

IMHO the words 'adhere to' seem a bit dictatorial.

 

[bb28]

While I would agree with BB28's statement it could do with a little refinement for clarity's sake. How about swapping the words 'adhere to' with 'not promote casinos in'. Would this change the original meaning?

IMHO the words 'adhere to' seem a bit dictatorial.

Very Good ChuChu...........and I agree. So now the question is....Active affiliates here at meisterland should not promote casinos that are on CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

 

[LaurieJim]

Just my 2 cents if you please, common sense trumps over whether a casino is considered rogue or not.

With all the Tradition issues about cheating and not paying those players that deposited their hard earned money there, its a slap in any players face to see them still being promoted by some affiliates.

When it comes down to it, who means more, the player who trusts your judgement or the Casino who may or may not have been cheating players, the proof is hard to dispute and its always better to air on the side of caution imo.

I like your site WW and the way you handle yourself, as far as BB goes, she is a good person and i dont think she is trying to attack you, she just wanted a answer , she is very passonate about these things as we all should be, after all it is about" whats best for the online player and not the affiliate or casino".........right?


Laurie

 

[WagerWitch]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

 

[jod5413]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

That is not what BB is saying, I don't think. There are a lot of good casinos that Bryan does not promote himself.

Example: Slotland

They are not rogued by Bryan but he doen't have them here.

Hope I am being clear with this, yes?

 

[WagerWitch]

Again tradition casino has said that they are working on the current issue.

Nobody jumped all mg casinos when mega moolah did something very similar.

Yes they are not recomended but if the fix the issue they will be removed from that position

I can't update my site for about a week.... so maybe they'll have this taken care of by then... who knows. It is a lot of work and very expensive.

Anyhow... for cm to say people can't post if they have casinos that are on any part of those lists is saying CM isn't in the biz of helping but is more in the biz of telling people how to operate... which slips down a very slippery slope of financial manipulation...

Which I cannot see bryan considering.

Hell I could be wrong but I don't think so.

 

[chuchu59]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

Hey Witchie,

There is some difference. Not promoting rogue casinos is one thing. Whether or not affiliates are promoting casinos that CM supports is another. There are many casinos that are neither in the accredited nor rogue list. One could try to recall what the casinos in the rogue list have done to players. I understand that it may be quite stern to request affiliates not to promote them but it will also be beneficial to them and players alike in the long one especially as far as integrity is concerned. We can all band together to weed out the undesirables and ensure that the rogues wither and die.

As long as there are active promoters for the rogues, they will not wither and fade away and that does not bode well for the industry. We have always tried to devise a solution to starve the rogues like Virtual but this has never succeeded. Can this be a start now?

 

[bb28]

Ok about affiliates only promoting casinos that CM supports iin order to remain part of the posting forum is kinda ludicrous.

It creates a monopoly and is not appropriate.

However this is Bryan's site and he is welcome to make up the rules.

Thanks for understanding and the compliment.

I almost hate to bring this up for fear of it being misunderstood, but I never said anything about only promoting casino's approved by CM. The question relates to promoting rogues. That's it......nothing about any other guidelines.

Bryan's rogue list is a well respected often cited source, and there are many webmasters who do use it as their bible.

 

[bb28]

Again tradition casino has said that they are working on the current issue.

Nobody jumped all mg casinos when mega moolah did something very similar.

Yes they are not recomended but if the fix the issue they will be removed from that position

I can't update my site for about a week.... so maybe they'll have this taken care of by then... who knows. It is a lot of work and very expensive.

Anyhow... for cm to say people can't post if they have casinos that are on any part of those lists is saying CM isn't in the biz of helping but is more in the biz of telling people how to operate... which slips down a very slippery slope of financial manipulation...

Which I cannot see bryan considering.

Hell I could be wrong but I don't think so.

You have really misunderstood........I never suggested that Bryan should tell webmasters who they can or can't promote, I asked a question, which was, Active affiliates here at meisterland should not promote casinos that are on CM's rogue list........agree or disagree? My question goes out to players and affiliates. I never, ever suggested that CM should tell anyone how to operate concerning the casino's (on the approved list or not) other than the rogues.

 

[WagerWitch]

That is not what BB is saying, I don't think. There are a lot of good casinos that Bryan does not promote himself.

Example: Slotland

They are not rogued by Bryan but he doen't have them here.

Hope I am being clear with this, yes?

It still allows an avenue for improper and monopoly behavior.

Bryan is not a king (although he is hot!!!) And we are not serfs.

It permits the window of blackmail to casinos should someone not like them and thousands of other opportunities.

Not that bryan would do that but it could be done.

Besides what better way to teach people than by example instead of forced ruling??

 

[bb28]

It still allows an avenue for improper and monopoly behavior.

Bryan is not a king (although he is hot!!!) And we are not serfs.

It permits the window of blackmail to casinos should someone not like them and thousands of other opportunities.

Not that bryan would do that but it could be done.

Besides what better way to teach people than by example instead of forced ruling??

Again my question only pertains to rogues, not any other casino's. You realize that a casino has to screw up pretty badly to be put on his rogue list right? It's not something that he seems to take lightly or frivolously slaps them on that list. They have to be a pretty big screw up in order to deserve that honor.

ChuChu did a great post and had some food for thought, how about going back and reading his post.

 

[WagerWitch]

Again who is going to regulate this concept?

The posters? The people in the forum? CM?

It is an uncomfortable question because. Where will the answers one way or another lead?

I am uncomfortable with it because if Bryan were to take a majority of yea answers and implement it ~ what would that make him?

And if not this permits a gang up action on the forums against affiliates... which truthfully is no ones business and each person should already be acting on their own concious and honor.

They should probably not be forced by ostrization from the masses.

Keep in mind gambling for affiliates is a business.

Forums are for learning, sharing and communication.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

You have really misunderstood........I never suggested that Bryan should tell webmasters who they can or can't promote, I asked a question, which was, Active affiliates here at meisterland should not promote casinos that are on CM's rogue list........agree or disagree? My question goes out to players and affiliates. I never, ever suggested that CM should tell anyone how to operate concerning the casino's (on the approved list or not) other than the rogues.

WW claimed and still claims Tradition was not rouged or rogued.

Thereafter, she continually accuses me of a personal attack (and more) when I clearly express an apology for my prior arrogance with 2 smilies in my post and also defend how one or in this case, WW could be confused by the semantics of the Rogue Pit.

If there was any sort of attack in my post, it would have been my shot at most affiliates in general and their real agendas which are quite the contrary to the hypocritical words they continue to express.

The defense of Tradition/Rival/BC still by WW, enuff said and IGGY time!

 

[WagerWitch]

WW claimed and still claims Tradition was not rouged or rogued.

Thereafter, she continually accuses me of a personal attack (and more) when I clearly express an apology for my prior arrogance with 2 smilies in my post and also defend how one or in this case, WW could be confused by the semantics of the Rogue Pit.

If there was any sort of attack in my post, it would have been my shot at most affiliates in general and their real agendas which are quite the contrary to the hypocritical words they continue to express.

The defense of Tradition/Rival/BC still by WW, enuff said and IGGY time!

Sorry Nash - there IS a difference between Not Recommended and Rogued.

ALL are PLAY at your OWN risk.

However - your commentary to me was PERSONAL and I feel that you were and still are VERY rude.

Please DO ignore me. I would appreciate it.

 

[WagerWitch]

Again my question only pertains to rogues, not any other casino's. You realize that a casino has to screw up pretty badly to be put on his rogue list right? It's not something that he seems to take lightly or frivolously slaps them on that list. They have to be a pretty big screw up in order to deserve that honor.

ChuChu did a great post and had some food for thought, how about going back and reading his post.

I read Chu''s and everyone's posts.

I'm still saying that policing affiliates isn't our job.

It's something the affiliates should do on their own.

NATURALLY.

I - USUALLY - keep my site updated with the latest information - and with the rogued casinos removed.

Usually MOST affiliates who "know" do the same.

However - to create an animosity - or to create a "US" vs. "THEM" --- or even a vicious behavior towards people who don't conform to "THIS" specific list is an open armed welcoming to Monopolization.

You lose those affiliates who haven't learned.
You lose those affiliates who believe that people and places change and need a chance.

ALSO - THERE ARE other places that have "rogued" casinos in their own - yet CM still promotes them...

So - does that say you are putting up a dividing line?

And does that say you are "THE ONLY AUTHORITY" that matters?

Are you saying that only people of a certain "ilk" are permitted to post or be active?

That's a lotta condemnation to everyone - that doesn't just "FOLLOW" one particular site's belief.

Keep in mind - I think that CasinoMeister is usually right on... (I don't believe anyone is ALWAYS right...)

I generally think that the FULL ON ROGUE status is RIGHT ON.

But it is my interpretation that until it hits that last ROGUE status - they are still "semi ok"...

Sorry - NASH - your "PRESSURING ME" like a mafia because YOU believe it to be so - is not enough to warrant ME taking them off my site...

I --- BELIEVE --- there is a possibility that they can be redeemed....

I believe that this POSSIBLY could have been a mistake.

I HAVE NOT --- YET --- seen the link to Tradition not paying.

AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE - this thread OP wasn't ABOUT Tradition...

Isn't ANYONE getting that yet?

This thread is about casino affiliates NOTICING high numbers in the beginning of the month - only to have a limited small amount at the end of the month in SEVERAL MONTHS trend.

Thank you for understanding that.

I'm TRYING to understand a pattern I am seeing here.


NOW LET US GET THIS STRAIGHT...

In MY book TRADITION is TRYING to FIX things..

THEY ARE NOT ROGUED --- YET.

When they GET Rogued - I will seriously remove them.

I believe giving them the chance - just like MG - where Moohlah was doing EXACTLY the same thing (only it was a variance payout)....

If they do fix it - then voila - solved.
If they don't - I remove them when I can update my site.

SIMPLE... For me anyhow.

Considering I have Casinomeister Promotion on my site as well - and not just in ONE place - the concept that I don't deserve to have my link here absolutely stinks.

What the suggestion of saying CM affiliates can't promote something and must adhere to this - actually makes membership less than desireable - cause then everyone would be a "serf-bot"

4.4 - Linked Websites

The linked pages must not advertise casinos listed in the Rogue Pit. If Casinomeister subsequently rogues a casino, a webmaster is not obligated to remove that casino but will seriously consider its positioning.

Now - keep in mind - Tradition WAS on my site before this issue came up...

When EVERYONE was touting how great they are.

Now - because I choose to hold off until they are Rogued completely - YOU ARE THE MORAL POLICE?

Not even amusing.

Sorry - that's very poor mentality.

And I'm not going to just JUMP because you're snapping a Forum Baton in your hand like a dirty police officer.

Sorry - INTIMIDATION does not work.

 

[WagerWitch]

Also this Jump on someone - Gang Up mentality - because you DON'T LIKE who is on their site - is ABSOLUTELY and STUNNINGLY BRILLIANT.

Wait - do the "good" casinos PAY you to do it?

I mean - hey - why not...

No - seriously - here's the deal...

The ORIGINAL question - without all this stupid side derailment because NASH decided that I MUST --- MUST --- MUST do as he says - and jump to the curb because HE SAYS Rival and Tradition are bad...

Sorry - THEY very well may be - but I'm waiting to see for myself.

Don't I have the right to do that????

AND --- the ORIGINAL...

ORIGINAL question...



So - let me guess - every time I post now - someone is gonna bring something up - Because YOU guys are NOW the CASINOMEISTER FORUM AFFILIATE POLICE?

You gotta be kidding me.

 

[WagerWitch]

For EVERYONE Curious:

Here's Bryan's comment right here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/forum-rule-4-4.36624/

Thanks for this - a very informative post.

As for the topic of "promoting known rogues", there are a number of issues which makes this a rather complex one.

There are just as many reasons to be tossed into the rogue section as there are casinos: customer service issues, business ethics, marketing, non-payments, bad software, etc.,etc., etc.

I don't expect every webmaster to agree with me, but I feel that webmasters who wish to link their sigs to their sites review their affiliated casinos to ensure that these casinos are treating their players properly. If there are questionable casinos being promoted, I hope that these webmasters question themselves as to why these casinos are being promoted. If they are promoting casinos that have a history of screwing players over, then these affiliates should remove their links from the signature.

Casinomeister is not a website that dictates to affiliates who they should or should not promote. I only hope that the information provided here will convince webmasters to participate in this industry responsibly, and to not give credence to badly managed or ethically challenged operations.

We don't have a HISTORY with Tradition of them screwing over players A LOT.. We have an ISSUE that happened. And quite possibly HUMAN error... Which means point blank - they SHOULD have the OPPORTUNITY to clean it up.

Am I wrong on that?

Is there something I'm missing?

CAN we PLEASE get off of Tradition - or do you so desperately NEED someone and something to drama up?

 

[AussieDave]

Nobody jumped all mg casinos when mega moolah did something very similar.

Mega Moolah had a timing glitch that presented the wheel spin for the jackpots slightly off alignment. That I believe was when it was first released and was rectified.

FYI all players who had played Mega Moolah were refunded all their money back that they'd bet on Mega Moolah.

From memory the Mega Moolah thread raised some heated exchanges. But that's a totally different story than what happen to Tradition...

Tradition was busted tampered with the blackjack pay-out taking it from 3:2 --> 1:1 (even) odds.

Big difference.

We don't have a HISTORY with Tradition of them screwing over players A LOT.. We have an ISSUE that happened. And quite possibly HUMAN error... Which means point blank - they SHOULD have the OPPORTUNITY to clean it up.

But we also have proof back to 2006 that Rival was tweaking slots after they were released. Just cause Tradition got it's hand caught in the cookie jar this time, doesn't mean that they or another Rival haven't got the munchies before. But haven't been caught out.

I'm still waiting on tradition to pay out the players who got stiffed. I would think that would be the major concern right now.


Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

I've received two complaints now from folks who want to post in this thread but can't because you need to be a Webmeister to post in the Marketing forum.

To be honest I don't read this forum much so I hope I'm not making a mess of things but I'm going to move this to Online Casinos (temporarily?) so the others can chip in here per their request.

Please feel free to inform me via PM if I have let the cat in the canary cage or somesuch here by doing the move.

Thanks,
Max.

 

[WagerWitch]

Mega Moolah had a timing glitch that presented the wheel spin for the jackpots slightly off alignment. That I believe was when it was first released and was rectified.

FYI all players who had played Mega Moolah were refunded all their money back that they'd bet on Mega Moolah.

From memory the Mega Moolah thread raised some heated exchanges. But that's a totally different story than what happen to Tradition...

Tradition was busted tampered with the blackjack pay-out taking it from 3:2 --> 1:1 (even) odds.

Big difference.



But we also have proof back to 2006 that Rival was tweaking slots after they were released. Just cause Tradition got it's hand caught in the cookie jar this time, doesn't mean that they or another Rival haven't got the munchies before. But haven't been caught out.

I'm still waiting on tradition to pay out the players who got stiffed. I would think that would be the major concern right now.


Cheers



Dave

OK...

Thank you for that info Dave.

I believe that makes more sense.

I also think the issue with Rival being able to tweak things - well hell - Casinos on Land can Tweak their machines...

Anyhow - the Tradition ISSUE - sigh... Beating a dead horse.

I WANT TO SEE THEM PAY OUT ALL THE BJs wrong payments.

If they do - then everyone will be happy - right? Bottom line RIGHT?



Max - I ORIGINALLY had this posted in the casino spot.

If more people want to comment - I don't care - as long is it isn't snippity and nasty and PERSONAL.

I don't deserve that.


THE ORIGINAL POST WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF AFFILIATES NOTICED DIFFERING PAYOUTS --- LATELY.

Can people just answer that?

Or are we starting a NEW RIVAL - TRADITION - roast WagerWitch because she believes in trying to give them a chance and can't change her website right now anyway - so let's keep roasting her????

Cause if that is what you're going to be like - I see NO NEED to stay where I'm not wanted or needed.

I don't need to participate at CasinoMeister...

I thought this was an OPEN community where people shared - and helped and worked together...

But instead have found it to be uncivil, rude and just bizarre... lately.

 

[Pinababy69]

Dave, can you hurry up and get your forum operational? I'm trying to be civil, but it's getting harder and harder. And I'm getting sick of hearing how it's nobody's business how affiliates run their websites. When it's in the public domain...it's EVERYONE's business.

 

[WagerWitch]

Dave, can you hurry up and get your forum operational? I'm trying to be civil, but it's getting harder and harder. And I'm getting sick of hearing how it's nobody's business how affiliates run their websites. When it's in the public domain...it's EVERYONE's business.

Pina - I am SHOCKED at you.

Seriously it is NOBODY's Business to tell OTHER people what to do.

I think - and this is JUST my humble opinion: Affiliates should maintain their sites with HONOR.

True or not true?

This should be done on their OWN - and not because someone TELLS them to.

Which means some people will make mistakes.

But to FORCEFULLY tell others how to run their business is not any better than a business being run badly.

I change my SIGNATURE to MEET YOUR request.

What the hell else do you want? To wash your feet? Make sure I buy the same laundry detergent? What?

I mean seriously - this is NOT the police forum.

 

[bb28]

Wager Witch you are one who keeps harping on and on about Tradition and how you are being ganged up on and your rights and freedom as a webmaster. Geez woman, no one is wanting to burn you at the stake. You've worked yourself into quite a tizzy over not much of nothing.

I started a different thread asking a question, you took it personal, I should have changed the title of my thread in hind sight and now Max merged the threads which makes it a little more confusing. Nash wasn't picking on you, he would have said that to anyone who is defending Tradition/Rival. He does have a bone to pick with Rival and yes he has a right to. Nash was just speaking typical Nash speak.

Stuff like this makes me wonder why I even post..........or care.

 

[Webzcas]

My interpretation of Forum Rule 4.4 is that no one should link in their signature to sites that promote casinos which are deemed as rogue on CasinoMeister.

Bryan and Simmo are ultimately responsible for ensuring that this rule is adhered to.

The purpose of this rule is to ensure that casinos deemed as rogue by CasinoMeister do not indirectly benefit from traffic from CasinoMeister, by way of posters on this forum linking to their portals where said designated rogue casinos are promoted.

It is actually quite straightforward and not hard to understand. If a poster or posters do link to or indeed operate sites that promote casinos deemed as rogue by CasinoMeister, then said poster should expect to be called on it.