Affiliate Questions, et al

[AussieDave]

I believe these type of thread get heated because:

• Players have been scammed by dodgy affiliates
• Players have been scammed by rogue/dodgy casinos
• The majority of players see all affiliate as only caring about how much they make, not about players.
• Reputably affiliates who care about players are tired of rogue/dodgy affiliates given them a bad name.

As a reputable casino affiliate webmaster, if I see a casino affiliate doing stuff or promoting a clip joint which ultimately is going to shaft a player, then I will say something.

Ultimately it affects my reputation as a a casino affiliate. Which affects my business.

If casino affiliates don't like people standing up for players, which means coping flack over promoting clip joints. It's easy don't promote them.


Cheers



Dave

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Wager Witch you are one who keeps harping on and on about Tradition and how you are being ganged up on and your rights and freedom as a webmaster. Geez woman, no one is wanting to burn you at the stake. You've worked yourself into quite a tizzy over not much of nothing.

I started a different thread asking a question, you took it personal, I should have changed the title of my thread in hind sight and now Max merged the threads which makes it a little more confusing. Nash wasn't picking on you, he would have said that to anyone who is defending Tradition/Rival. He does have a bone to pick with Rival and yes he has a right to. Nash was just speaking typical Nash speak.

Stuff like this makes me wonder why I even post..........or care.

Totally agree

Thanks for the new siggy,classic

 

[WagerWitch]

Wager Witch you are one who keeps harping on and on about Tradition and how you are being ganged up on and your rights and freedom as a webmaster. Geez woman, no one is wanting to burn you at the stake. You've worked yourself into quite a tizzy over not much of nothing.

I started a different thread asking a question, you took it personal, I should have changed the title of my thread in hind sight and now Max merged the threads which makes it a little more confusing. Nash wasn't picking on you, he would have said that to anyone who is defending Tradition/Rival. He does have a bone to pick with Rival and yes he has a right to. Nash was just speaking typical Nash speak.

Stuff like this makes me wonder why I even post..........or care.

OK - maybe I'm sensitive - but I read between the lines and it comes out just like that.

Nash is being sarcastic towards me - whether he admits it or not - and he's being rude. NASH - I personally FEEL that you are being rude to me.

Are you?

Your bone to pick with Rival isn't my bone.

So you shouldn't put me down because I happen to like them.

A lot of people liked them - and some still do.

I believe in the good of people - and the CHANCE at REDEMPTION.

But actually - reading between the lines - watching the wording and the forum play - the bumping of threads... Come on - tell me you don't see it? If it isn't meant - why aren't those people saying: Hey - I'm really sorry you took it that way - I didn't mean it that way... Like you did?

I mean - when I screw up - I'm right there with an apology - and I MEAN that apology... Yanno?

I've had a couple of people asking me why I even bother because this is standard operation for the casinomeister forum.

I told them - because there are some really good people here...

They said - yeah - they're great as long as you agree with them - or until they get bored and need drama.

So - you can take from that what you will. But show me a post where NASH has used that posting style before.. Show me where he has said those kinds of things before... Show me the links and the proof..

And if Nash says he wasn't being sarcastic and rude and not personally attacking me - I'll try very hard to believe him.

Until then - I think he was...

 

[Webzcas]

Seriously it is NOBODY's Business to tell OTHER people what to do.

I think - and this is JUST my humble opinion: Affiliates should maintain their sites with HONOR.

True or not true?

This should be done on their OWN - and not because someone TELLS them to.

Hi Wagerwitch,

I agree to an extent. However CasinoMeister does get a lot of traffic and by linking to a site from a forum account using the signature facility, does ensure a good number of clickthrus - especially if you are an active member here.

If an affiliate that posts here actively promotes casinos which are rogued on CasinoMeister yet links to their portal/s from their signatures - Then forum members IMO have every right to call the actions of that affiliate webmaster into account. This is predominately a players forum and is not the GPWA.

This is my opinion.

 

[bb28]

OK - maybe I'm sensitive - but I read between the lines and it comes out just like that.

Nash is being sarcastic towards me - whether he admits it or not - and he's being rude. NASH - I personally FEEL that you are being rude to me.
..

I read the 2nd line of your post and I busted out laughing and Nash may kill me for saying it, but my first thought was Nash IS sarcastic, to almost everyone, so you aren't special in that respect. You shouldn't take it personal.
Oh and Nash.......don't get pissed at me for speaking the truth. :notworthy

I'm going to bed, not reading the rest of this post either...........night all.

 

[WagerWitch]

Hi Wagerwitch,

I agree to an extent. However CasinoMeister does get a lot of traffic and by linking to a site from a forum account using the signature facility, does ensure a good number of clickthrus - especially if you are an active member here.

If an affiliate that posts here actively promotes casinos which are rogued on CasinoMeister yet links to their portal/s from their signatures - Then forum members IMO have every right to call the actions of that affiliate webmaster into account. This is predominately a players forum and is not the GPWA.

This is my opinion.

Thanks much - I understand - but PLEASE.

LISTEN UP PEOPLE

for goodness sakes READY???

NUMBER ONE:
The Tradition issue is FAIRLY recent - right?

NUMBER TWO:
No one has come out and just nicely PMd me and said - hey - did you know?

NUMBER THREE:
THIS THREAD WASN"T ABOUT ME HAVING TRADITION ON MY SITE...

NUMBER FOUR:
This thread has been comletely derailed into something monstrous and screwed.

NUMBER FIVE:
I CANT TOUCH MY SITE FOR A WEEK.

You guys are acting like the freaking MAFIA...

I mean - what are the other forum rules about DERAILING POSTS?

Hmmm?

You want to stick to that one?

Or how about PERSONAL ATTACKS???

Hmmmmm

Or are rules ONLY good when they serve YOU?

 

[Webzcas]

To be fair, I haven't seen anything that I would class as a personal attack, but please PM if I have missed something, or report the post in question.

With regards thread derailment. I wouldn't call this a thread jack as such, just a natural progression, threads do naturally morph into other areas.

I agree with you that the Tradition issue is recent. However let me put this to you. If one of the programs you had promoted for years without any problems suddenly stopped paying you your commissions and did a Grand Prive, would you pull them immediately?

This is not a leading question BTW. My reasoning being, that webmasters IMO should keep up to date with what is happening in the industry, they owe it to their players. Also, if you are active on this forum, you should also be up to date with what is happening.

 

[AussieDave]

This is predominately a players forum and is not the GPWA.

Oh for those that don't know... In a nut shell I told the GPWA to stick my private and public membership on Saturday and I'm no longer a GPWA member. But not before I told them...if I find any casino affiliate promoting rogues and clip joints they're listed on my affiliate rogue list...Man that started a riot...lol

The catalyst is...I'm sick of hearing the usual BS of "you can't tell me what to do with my site crap", from GPWA members (or affiliates in general) who promote rogues and known clip joints. The GPWA is crawling with GPWA Sealed sites but a percentage of these promote rogues.

And 95% (estimate) of GPWA private members agree that any affiliate can promote who they like. Go figure


Cheers



Dave

 

[WagerWitch]

To be fair, I haven't seen anything that I would class as a personal attack, but please PM if I have missed something, or report the post in question.

With regards thread derailment. I wouldn't call this a thread jack as such, just a natural progression, threads do naturally morph into other areas.

I agree with you that the Tradition issue is recent. However let me put this to you. If one of the programs you had promoted for years without any problems suddenly stopped paying you your commissions and did a Grand Prive, would you pull them immediately?

This is not a leading question BTW. My reasoning being, that webmasters IMO should keep up to date what is happening in the industry, they owe it to their players. Also, if you are active on this forum, you should also be up to date with what is happening.

1) Nash's first post to me is in direct relation to the post I did in the Funeral's one on 3dice frustration.

2) Right now I wouldn't pull a thing (couldn't would be a better word... but in about a week I should be able to... )

3) Realistically - I don't know that answer... I kinda try to believe in the good of people - until they walk all over me. If they stopped paying the commissions, first I would want to find out why - what was going on - and if I found out that it was never going to get paid, and they were crooks completely and PROVEN - without human error - but with ABSOLUTE intention, then I would absolutely pull them.

4) 99% of the people who use my site are NEVER going to deposit.

5) My site is for most people to have fun - and I don't really make that much...

Which was the main reason for the ORIGINAL question...

I am trying to keep up with things - not perfect at it - and never claimed to be.

It would have been nicer to get a PM from someone instead of a PUBLIC roast.

Webczas if you don't see the direct roast - then you didn't read Funeral's thread - and then this one - and how this thread got moved - another thread created - then put back together - then the comments on the 4.4 rule... and so on - in the progression it was placed in.

Sorry - maybe I'm being overly sensitive - but somehow - since it has happened to OTHER people here - I don't think so - yanno? If it was just me - I'd be all ok - cool - just me... But it's happened to several people...

I have even posted some probable not so nice posts myself - but I do learn from my mistakes somewhat (sorry long winded posts are something that are a very part of my foundation - won't be losing those....)

But at least I try.

 

[johnsteed]

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And if not this permits a gang up action on the forums against affiliates... which truthfully is no ones business and each person should already be acting on their own concious and honor.

They should probably not be forced by ostrization from the masses.

Okay, I'd also like to play in the land of make believe.



No, no one ever gangs up on anyone here. It's a figment of your imagination. You think it's happening, you see it with your own eyes, your best bet is to ignore your intuition, because it's all a mirage. When someone points out 'Forum Rule 4.4', they're doing so with only the best intentions. When people thank each other in the same thread, like 20 times, it's not that they're working together and simply thanking each other and then reading what the other has said later on - if at all - it's that they're promoting the right way of doing things. They're showing you their ethical superiority. They know they're right, so they have the green light to stick it to you. What you can't always see, is their hearts oozing with kindness.

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Steed


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[Pinababy69]

Oh for those that don't know... In a nut shell I told the GPWA to stick my private and public membership on Saturday and I'm no longer a GPWA member. But not before I told them...if I find any casino affiliate promoting rogues and clip joints they're listed on my affiliate rogue list...Man that started a riot...lol

The catalyst is...I'm sick of hearing the usual BS of "you can't tell me what to do with my site crap", from GPWA members (or affiliates in general) who promote rogues and known clip joints. The GPWA is crawling with GPWA Sealed sites but a percentage of these promote rogues.

And 95% (estimate) of GPWA private members agree that any affiliate can promote who they like. Go figure


Cheers



Dave

Amen to all of that Dave. Again I say...if something is in the public domain ie. the internet, then I (or anyone) have the right to comment on it. In turn, anyone has the right to choose to not read it, read it and ignore it, or read it and reply in kind. That's the way it works. You can't post something, or post a link to your site or whatever...and then turn around and say...no one is allowed to comment on it. If your (not you WW, ANYONE), site comes up on Google when I type in online casinos, or you have a link to your site here at CM, and you promote known rogues...I have the right to comment on it. You all have the right to tell me to go to hell, or eff off or whatever.

If you can't stand the heat, maybe you're in the wrong business. Again WW, not directed at you WW...but to anyone who makes money off of casinos who make it a habit of ripping off players.

 

[WagerWitch]

Amen to all of that Dave. Again I say...if something is in the public domain ie. the internet, then I (or anyone) have the right to comment on it. In turn, anyone has the right to choose to not read it, read it and ignore it, or read it and reply in kind. That's the way it works. You can't post something, or post a link to your site or whatever...and then turn around and say...no one is allowed to comment on it. If your (not you WW, ANYONE), site comes up on Google when I type in online casinos, or you have a link to your site here at CM, and you promote known rogues...I have the right to comment on it. You all have the right to tell me to go to hell, or eff off or whatever.

If you can't stand the heat, maybe you're in the wrong business. Again WW, not directed at you WW...but to anyone who makes money off of casinos who make it a habit of ripping off players.

CORRECT Pina - to some degree...

First - this issue with Tradition is new.

Second - I am holding out hope that they pay everyone off - just like they said they would.

Third - someone could have politely PMd me - instead of being sarcastic and rude and playing games.

When have I ever treated someone like I've been treated since I said something to Funeral?

NOT ABOUT FUNERAL mind you --- but about the apology and the issue - not being close.

NEVER said anything about FUNERAL... sigh...

Anyhow - seriously - this is a bit threatening and kind of sad that the people here - who I really thought were my friends would play games like that with me.

Maybe you guys don't even know you're doing it...

Maybe you really think you're doing a special awesome job or something...

Maybe you think the way you all did this today and last night were "REALLY COOL - NICE BEHAVIORS".

I dunno.

I just know that what I'm feeling right now about this place isn't very nice.

You can look at my site and you can see that MOST of the casinos I promote are perfectly great casinos.

In fact 99% of them (I'd say 100% but Tradition is on there right now - until the situation is proven...)

And I'm literal Pina - I don't think Not recommended means rogued.

I think it means - play at your own risk...

Otherwise it WOULD be ROGUED - yanno? LITERALLY.

But let Bryan decide what those mean exactly.

So to PLEASE YOU - I put the info in my sig line...

But you guys as a group aren't going to treat me like dog meat to have me comply to your beliefs or ways of thinking. It just doesn't work that way - you don't strong arm me.

I do keep up with the info - but so far folks - INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY SPRINGS TO MIND.

People are getting paid - in fact --- SAM/JHV/Scooter got paid - right?

So - they've said they are going to audit it - right?

WHO are you to say they aren't?

Can you imagine how hard hit they are right now about it?

How much it costs to audit something like that?

How much time it will take to make it right - and how much money it will cost them?

They said they would do it - a time frame would be nice to have... But realistically - me working for a cellular company at one time - had to pay an audit company because there were ghost charges coming up.

It took almost a month and a cost over 300K...

Then had to pay back the customers who had the ghost charges.

So - an online casino in another country - flying in specialists... Hmmmmm.

I don't know what your problem with RIVAL is.

Again - I don't believe it is the software (most of the time) that is the element - it is the company... Just like Golden Palace is NOT Microgaming...

If you catch my drift.

How this turned into ---- OH --- Post whatever you want --- But We GET TO ROAST YOU - because WE SAY you should have this casino off your site - because we say so...

Isn't cool in any way.

How this turned from a legitimate question about Affiliates noticing a trend...

to

This ----

just from KK asking me a question...

Hmmmmm...

This is NOT the fricking MAFIA..

ANd you know what?

TIME AND TIME AGAIN I HAVE PROVED MYSELF TO CM - and many other forums

So - I know my worth - I know who I am - and what I represent.

I do NOT think I am doing ANYTHING wrong - and MY HONOR IS INTACT.

 

[maxd]

You know what, I think you guys need a break from this one: thread closed for a few hours so peeps can take a breather.

FWIW, the other mods have their own opinions and are, of course, free to re-Open this as they see fit.

 

[maxd]

Ok, thread re-opened per request.

 

[just play]

OK, I'll start.....

Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?


I think this is up to Casinomeister.

Is it listed here anywhere that is the rule? If not, then I would disagree, if Bryan has no problem with it, and this is his site, why should anyone else have a problem with it?

Of course my opinion would be opposite if Bryan did have a problem with it.

(not to derail from the OP, which I hope some more affiliates can answer her first post, I'm just more interested in this question, because I am selfish )

 

[LaurieJim]

We adhere to the CM rogue list as this comes from bad player issues with a casino, we will look at other new casinos(no virtuals, ect) and give them the benifit of doubt as long as they are treating players well and paying on time and prove themselves to be good casinos.

It bothers me to see these rogue casinos offering poison candy(ND) to new online players and most of all the affiliates that promote them. That affiliate could give a damn less about getting a player paid from Virtual casino groups, that joined thru their site and that speaks volumes of their character for promoting them.

Do they have the best interest of the player at heart or just trying to make a fast buck off a newbie who hasnt taken the time to find places like CM or OCR and if they do manage to find them later, the damage has already been done and that affiliate has just duped another sucker.

Laurie

 

[dominique]

This is what Bryan said:

Casinomeister is not a website that dictates to affiliates who they should or should not promote. I only hope that the information provided here will convince webmasters to participate in this industry responsibly, and to not give credence to badly managed or ethically challenged operations.

 

[Simmo!]

I don't think affiliates should be *forced* to follow the rogue list to the letter myself. There have been instances in the past where I have disagreed with Rogue status. Rare - but it has happened.

Affiliates who participate here should be able to choose - the fact they are here in itself is good as they can see player responses. However, by participating I think they should also be prepared to defend their decisions as to who to promote if they are challenged by players. There are advantageous reasons for affiliates to be active here and that's a fair trade-off IMO.

A savvy affiliate will take any criticism and use the feedback to improve their sites and to deliver what players want, which will also benefit them. And by the way they respond to criticism they have a fantastic opportunity to enhance their reputation if they choose to.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[bb28]

This is what Bryan said:

Quote:
Casinomeister is not a website that dictates to affiliates who they should or should not promote. I only hope that the information provided here will convince webmasters to participate in this industry responsibly, and to not give credence to badly managed or ethically challenged operations.

This is also in the faq which Pina pointed out yesterday.

4.4 - Linked Websites The linked pages must not advertise casinos listed in the Rogue Pit. If Casinomeister subsequently rogues a casino, a webmaster is not obligated to remove that casino but will seriously consider its positioning.

Is the fac statement contradictory or am I reading that wrong?

 

[dominique]

To be honest, I don't go by Bryan's list as the end-all, I take a number of factors into account.

I go by what players on my site give me as feedback first of all, other factors are Bryan's list, Affiliate Guard Dog, winner payouts as per my statistics, and whether I can easily get the casino's ear when one of my players comes to me with an issue.

Some approved casinos here don't make it on my site because I find them not responsive enough to my queries.

Not all sites have the same demographic of players either, some sites are geared towards free chips users and they need to watch the WR of these like a hawk, others are geared towards players who don't take regular bonuses but like loyalty rewards without WR, and so on and so on. Affiliates need to match the correct casino to each player as best they can.

Some things though are basic - a crook is a crook and if someone refuses to pay legitimate winnings or earnings or has rigged software etc, the issue becomes very clear.

Of course there are plenty of banner farms still, and I consider these bad even if all the casinos on them are not in the rogue pit.

As for timely removal of rogued casinos as was asked of webmasters here - if you have a 10 page site you can do it in 10 minutes. If you have a 6000 page site, and it's automated, it can also be very fast. But you will rarely find a very large or very old site where all sections are automated or accessible with the same webmaster software or designed in the same format etc etc. And some affiliates have one large, comprehensive site, others have a lot of very specific sites. It can get very complicated to remove something and take weeks, and it can be very simple. It just depends.

 

[Casinomeister]

Another holiday weekend...another "heated" thread

Most of you have got it right - I don't dictate to affiliates:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/forum-rule-4-4.36624/

Also, we've been reminded a few times in this thread that when you post or thank someone, please remember how this comes across to others. Generally speaking, acrimonious threads turn others off - especially newbie members who wonder WTF why even get involved.

Treat each other with respect - refrain from making snide-ass snippy comments. There may come a time that we (the moderators and I ) will just start handing out Spring vacations when we start tiring of the grief you are causing your fellow members.

This is your forum; it's what you make of it. Don't abuse it - please remember that there is the "ignore" function. Use it please when need be.

It also seems that this thread has run astray from it's original discussion. Is there a need to keep this open? Yea or nay?

 

[oldtrvlagt]

To quote a phrase "stick a fork in it.....it's done"....IMHO.