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sueps

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I have enjoyed playing online for a couple of years however I have decided to call it a day. I really dont want to dishearten any of you. The reason why....I have had a "relationship" with 2 casinos from an accredited well known company whom a lot of you rave about. Since January this year the payout has been appalling, on 2 occasions that I have complained harshly to them they or he has reinstated my deposit.....on the last occasion ...2days ago I managed to hit lines on slots that would have been obviously impossible otherwise,....a 3.60 bet wins 650 0n ladies nite the other occasion I complained I hit all the bonus rounds that would have also been a certain impossibility...I am just bringing up a point for you to ponder on. I do not at all bear a grudge or am going to mention any casino and they matched every 500 a month etc ...but there was no way i stayed for ,long without loss after loss. Also I noticed I only ever triggered significant wins on depositing .......Anyway it has happened too often and with other casinos that I only used this company in the end...only for them to go the same way... I will be saving my 1000 a month now and investing it in less precarious companies... please I beg you not to be offended.... I had fun but not since January....

Thx ...
 
I never heard of win switch....haha .... If your only big wins had been on 2 reinstated bonuses SINCE January then I would be advising anyone to tread cautiously.... Like I state I do not hold grudges... For me it was becoming a stressful addiction.... and thats not what I call value for money.

Good Luck to all of you too......
 
I too only play at a few selective casinos and my problem is I win but cannot ever find the cashout button when I should, so I have the opposite problem to you in as much as the slots I have played have payed ... bet these casinos just love me LOL...anyway good luck in your future ventures & I wish you all the best.
 
Hey there, I was becoming concerned with the way the games were played out due to the fact that I would deposit quite a bit, lose it all, then my mom would come over deposit and win! (she doesn't have a computer) I thought I would email the casino and ask them if there is a memory when someone wins; for example; if my mom wins, then would the game reset or change in any way? Here is a portion of the email they sent me. I didn't feel it was necessary to copy the whole email but this is what they told me. And as soon as I received the email and went back to play, I ended up winning! I was curious if the casino could change or reset the games. Here's the quote:

With regards to your query insofar memory is concerned, there is
a
limited amount of history which is kept for purposes of
financial
accounting and play history. The software does not discriminate
against
certain players. Everyone simply plays into the same platform
and its
pure luck insofar slots wins or losses are concerned. Other
games,
example the tables, will require a certain level of skill.


p.s. I dont know if this info is any use to you but it kinda set me straight.
Patrina:)
 
patrina said:
Hey there, I was becoming concerned with the way the games were played out due to the fact that I would deposit quite a bit, lose it all, then my mom would come over deposit and win! (she doesn't have a computer) I thought I would email the casino and ask them if there is a memory when someone wins; for example; if my mom wins, then would the game reset or change in any way? Here is a portion of the email they sent me. I didn't feel it was necessary to copy the whole email but this is what they told me. And as soon as I received the email and went back to play, I ended up winning! I was curious if the casino could change or reset the games. Here's the quote:

With regards to your query insofar memory is concerned, there is
a
limited amount of history which is kept for purposes of
financial
accounting and play history. The software does not discriminate
against
certain players. Everyone simply plays into the same platform
and its
pure luck insofar slots wins or losses are concerned. Other
games,
example the tables, will require a certain level of skill.


p.s. I dont know if this info is any use to you but it kinda set me straight.
Patrina:)
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It's just a long winded way of saying the games are completely random.

I am a little suspicious of how this "randomness" is implemented, as I often see far too much "streakiness" in the games, even though long term payouts match the theoretical expectations.
Well, UK Fruit Machines pay the expected long term percentage, but they are rigged as hell, and play according to recent history.
 
vinylweatherman said:
It's just a long winded way of saying the games are completely random.

I am a little suspicious of how this "randomness" is implemented, as I often see far too much "streakiness" in the games, even though long term payouts match the theoretical expectations.
Well, UK Fruit Machines pay the expected long term percentage, but they are rigged as hell, and play according to recent history.
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Sometimes when I'm on a "roll" the games start to slow at the last few reels and sort of jump? I think I know what you mean by "streakiness" I'm sure everyone has wondered whether the games can be controlled or not. One time before I asked a casino about this and she said "no, and if we could we wouldn't have the time to do it anyhow" with a little bit of a chuckle. Where I play (mostly) TPG, I have won 5 times in the last 3 weeks. Not huge, but pretty good amounts. The fruit machines are rigged? And do they get away with it? I haven't heard of any casinos getting in trouble for this, only in the rogue section where it says a few have funky software, I would like to find out more about this. Tell me more Vinyl (if you have time) Thanks
Patrina
 
UK Fruit Machines are controlled so that they pay out the percentage in a particular pattern. This can be a cycle in the simpler games, to a full blown "pot" system in the complicated feature games.
They are designed to play at around 50% for a while, and then pay the additional 20% from a so called "streak pot" to the lucky (or skillful:D) player who happens to be on it at the time.
The streak patterns range from the subtle to the "bleedin' obvious". The payout control software gives rise to problems as players can manipulate some features and take advantage of the games. Some errors lead to so called "emptiers", where a specific sequence of play leads to an unrecorded win (paid, but not recorded against overall paid percentage due to bad coding).
Some casinos now have these "Fruit Machines", and the belief is that these too share some of the non-random aspects of the real thing.

It is possible to play on a simulator on the PC, that you can load with older UK fruit machines and see pretty much how they behave. The simulations use original ROM chips from the machines, and use the test rig software that the companies probably use to test the games prior to release. Enthusiasts have coded this with virtual layouts, so that you can play what looks like the actual machine on your PC, similar to how slots are portrayed and played at online casinos.
Although the simulations are widely sold on Ebay as CD packages, they are actually FREE, and the packages are an attempt to rip people off - you are just paying for someone to make up the CD, not for the actual games.
 
sueps said:
I have enjoyed playing online for a couple of years however I have decided to call it a day. I really dont want to dishearten any of you. The reason why....I have had a "relationship" with 2 casinos from an accredited well known company whom a lot of you rave about. Since January this year the payout has been appalling, on 2 occasions that I have complained harshly to them they or he has reinstated my deposit.....on the last occasion ...2days ago I managed to hit lines on slots that would have been obviously impossible otherwise,....a 3.60 bet wins 650 0n ladies nite the other occasion I complained I hit all the bonus rounds that would have also been a certain impossibility...I am just bringing up a point for you to ponder on. I do not at all bear a grudge or am going to mention any casino and they matched every 500 a month etc ...but there was no way i stayed for ,long without loss after loss. Also I noticed I only ever triggered significant wins on depositing .......Anyway it has happened too often and with other casinos that I only used this company in the end...only for them to go the same way... I will be saving my 1000 a month now and investing it in less precarious companies... please I beg you not to be offended.... I had fun but not since January....

Thx ...
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Not to sound rude here but after I read your post my first thought was "why even post this thread if you aren't going to name the casino('s)." You say you are done playing so throw out the name, it isn't like it can affect you in any way and others who play there may benefit from your post or send an email like you did to get the win switch turned on lol.
 
Rettahs said:
Not to sound rude here but after I read your post my first thought was "why even post this thread if you aren't going to name the casino('s)." You say you are done playing so throw out the name, it isn't like it can affect you in any way and others who play there may benefit from your post or send an email like you did to get the win switch turned on lol.[/QUOTE]


"PART OF MY QUOTE"
. "And as soon as I received the email and went back to play, I ended up winning! I was curious if the casino could change or reset the games."


Rettahs I wasn't sure if you were referring to my quote or the original posters but when I stated I ended up sending them an email and then after that I ended up winning, I wasn't referring to any "winswitch" I was stating that it is purely coincidental. Except fpr what Vinyl has pointed out and explained I feel it is based on luck and random hits. I know you were quoting the thread starters post but I didn't see anything about an email in his/her post, but in mine there was. Just trying to determine who you were referring to.
Patrina
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patrina said:
Rettahs said:
Rettahs I wasn't sure if you were referring to my quote or the original posters but when I stated I ended up sending them an email and then after that I ended up winning, I wasn't referring to any "winswitch" I was stating that it is purely coincidental. Except fpr what Vinyl has pointed out and explained I feel it is based on luck and random hits. I know you were quoting the thread starters post but I didn't see anything about an email in his/her post, but in mine there was. Just trying to determine who you were referring to.
Patrina
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Oh, I was asking the OP since they said they had complained a few times and what not and after that they seemed to have won. Just figured they did it via email and such. It just makes no sense to me to start a thread warning other players of pretty much nothing if there are not any specific names and such in it. To me it just comes down to them playing long enough to hit something not that it was directly related to the complaints. Heck, you play long enough you are bound to hit something :-).
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I have been playing online slots long enough to know that when I am about to get better payouts sometimes my game will start to slow right down & become jittery...actually I also get logged off free spin modes a lot to if I am playing thunderstruck...usually I can get back to my game, but I have noticed how my PC behaves if things start to go my way....so maybe there is something there in regards to memory etc.
 
how's your weekend been cheeky, since your big hit on Friday?
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Well I cashed out 1k, blew about 500 of it on Thunderstruck @ 9 a spin :eek2: and still got about 300 sitting there.

Went out Friday night and got wrecked in a Spanish bar with my work mates and had a STINKING headache all day yesterday so didn't really play the casino that much.

Will be playing today, but I'm not feeling that lucky actually.

Que sera sera....

Hope you doing ok mate. :thumbsup:
 
vinylweatherman said:
It is possible to play on a simulator on the PC, that you can load with older UK fruit machines and see pretty much how they behave. The simulations use original ROM chips from the machines, and use the test rig software that the companies probably use to test the games prior to release. Enthusiasts have coded this with virtual layouts, so that you can play what looks like the actual machine on your PC, similar to how slots are portrayed and played at online casinos.
Although the simulations are widely sold on Ebay as CD packages, they are actually FREE, and the packages are an attempt to rip people off - you are just paying for someone to make up the CD, not for the actual games.
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Dobry den z Ceske Republiky!

So are you going to tell us where we can get these free copies?
I would love to have a go at some proper rigged fruities on my PC!

Diky, ahoj.
KK
 
Well I am telling you most sincerely and without bias that almost well all of the casinos I have ever joined I have had significant wins since joining and thereafter not. It was of no coincidence that with the last 2 reinstated bonuses I won first ALL the bonus rounds in EVERY single game....and the 2nd I had 5 large hits on Ladies nite..... since January I have noticed the pattern that if i deposited 100 i won 30 over that the first couple of spins and then that was that no matter what game I played it was all drizzle.
This has been the case over 2 years for most casinios...I quit FORTUNE LOUNGE because of it and I have now quit the casinos that gave me the most complimentary bonuse because of my loyalty and loss
I am not at all saying it is like that for everyone and I do not want those who enjoy the past time to take offense but I know from my experience and for some of you ..... will be the same.....
How is it possible for on 2 occasions out of many to hit after emailing. And why would a casino match 500 a month with only 1 times play thru requirement.........

And I would love to tell you who it is but I have read you cant name and shame etc...unless you give the casino prior warning...and I did mail him some 2 weeks ago threatening to tell all about the payout percentage etc....but he quickly reinstated said deposits...

I am just very sceptical as would others be.......

I wish you all luck
 
And whats the point in telling who it is anyway ....as I have said all casinos follow the same route..

including the likes of ......DASH AND 32RED BET DIRECT ETC

I never wanted a debate ...just closure for myself and help for others in relation to how casinos operated during my experience with them
 
I don't know what to think about this subject. We've hashed out this topic so many times before, and we never get to the end of the thread with any real answers. Never will either! .. but I will say that I have 2 land-based casinos 20 minutes away. You wanna talk about money-sucking, no pay slots! And most land casinos I've been to seem to be that way. Really bad times. Even though I rarely end up with a cash-out in the end, I find that I at least get some play and excitement with online slots. It's way better than that feeling of just getting kicked in the nuts and robbed by a goon that I get in land-based. Anyway, the whole thing is geared to seperate us from our money, but I find that online slot designers have been alot more creative and generous in the area of giving the player some excitement and satisfaction even if the end result becomes the same.
 
NZmumof4 said:
I have been playing online slots long enough to know that when I am about to get better payouts sometimes my game will start to slow right down & become jittery...actually I also get logged off free spin modes a lot to if I am playing thunderstruck...usually I can get back to my game, but I have noticed how my PC behaves if things start to go my way....so maybe there is something there in regards to memory etc.
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I experience the same thing when I'm playing slots and am on a winning streak so to speak. The game slows down almost to a stall and the spinning becomes weird.
Everytime this has happened the random jackpot was usually won(not always by me, lol).
Just very well could be something to this. We can only hope :D
 
sueps said:
And whats the point in telling who it is anyway ....as I have said all casinos follow the same route..

including the likes of ......DASH AND 32RED BET DIRECT ETC

I never wanted a debate ...just closure for myself and help for others in relation to how casinos operated during my experience with them
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I agree with Rettahs, why not say who the casinos are. Afterall, you did state you emailed them and I'm sure the rest of us who might happen to play at these casinos would appreciate it.
Unless you inconspicuoulsy just named them in the above mentioned. ;)
 
Re

I dont know, I remember when I won online more that at the landbased casinos. Now I do better at land based. For the last 4 or 5 months I have had one cash out, and just never win much on line anymore. I used to get a cashout on average of 1/4. No joke its about 1 /200 now. I dont get that much play for my money, so I think the odds have been set to much lower. If I played once in a while, Id say bad luck, but I play a lot . I have seen a change. Unfortunley I hate going to land based, can never find parking, and the room is so smokey it kills my eyes. I have now cut back hat I play as a result, because in past, I would win onc and a while and win my money back sometimes. Now its just a donation to have some fun for a while, after months of taking a beating, I decided to cut down.

Ama
 
amatrine said:
I dont know, I remember when I won online more that at the landbased casinos. Now I do better at land based. For the last 4 or 5 months I have had one cash out, and just never win much on line anymore. I used to get a cashout on average of 1/4. No joke its about 1 /200 now. I dont get that much play for my money, so I think the odds have been set to much lower. If I played once in a while, Id say bad luck, but I play a lot . I have seen a change. Unfortunley I hate going to land based, can never find parking, and the room is so smokey it kills my eyes. I have now cut back hat I play as a result, because in past, I would win onc and a while and win my money back sometimes. Now its just a donation to have some fun for a while, after months of taking a beating, I decided to cut down.

Ama
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My win/loss percentages began the big freefall around March of last year. Got even worse by last fall. By the time NETeller shut us out, I had already cut waaay back on deposits, and was only playing every now and then (small deposits). I used to fund my B&M excursions w/online wins -- up untill last year that is...

Even if I had a way to deposit now, I just don't think I could bring myself to deposit and play very much online anymore. I still remember that great sucking sound after my last several times playing for real online.

It wasn't fun anymore.

I only go B&M gambling 3 or 4 times a year (it's a long drive). It's a nice mini-vacation for us. Most times I lose, but at least I get the cashback, rooms, booze, food and such comped so all I'm out is what I set aside for gambling.

Do I think online games are rigged? No, not the major softwares. Do I think payout percentages have been changed? Yes -- and not in our favor. ;)
 
My 2 cents

Im sorry

I thought we were gambling, which means that you are wagering money on a game or betting on something that "could" give back more or you could lose. Isnt that what gambling is?

Im just getting tired of hearing the word "rigged" We are gambling people!
 
sueps said:
And I would love to tell you who it is but I have read you cant name and shame etc...unless you give the casino prior warning...and I did mail him some 2 weeks ago threatening to tell all about the payout percentage etc....but he quickly reinstated said deposits...
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She threatened to tell everyone about their payout percentages. Wow. If any of you go back and read her first two posts on this board, I'd say she's talking about 32Red/Dash. She'd complained about them and it looks like Pat threw her a $500 bonus. There, the big secret's out!! Such high drama.

So now what? Threaten them again for another $500 bonus? If your luck is that bad, then stop playing. Everywhere.
 
Here ya go, this was Sueps first ever post on Casinomeister.

sueps said:
I have had big issues witht he payout and randomness ar 32RED. To the extent that Pat gave me a 500 match bonus.....and it truly has been very boring and atrocious. I have sent another complaint and now I cant even deposit in my account. There must be a reason why MG are like this at the mo. I need Pat to respond he hasnt and I feel really let down.
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I'm not sure what you want Pat or anyone to say for that matter? As someone stated above, if you think it's rigged, then don't play. Pretty simple. What I can't stand is when people come here and use this forum to try and "blackmail" a casino into giving them more free money. Give me this or I'll tell on you? WTF is that all about? Tell what? That you lost? Join the club. Most of us who play slots lose most of the time. If you're not prepared to lose, then don't play.
 
I think Sueps should sign up at more casinos and lose money and then complain to them to see what they'll do to compensate her for it. Nothing! Nadda! Zilch! . Laugh in your face!(maybe not! but behind your back!)

If she finds another casino that throws her $500.00 for whining then I'll match it.
 
last post on here. I have closed All casino accts like I said I didnt do it to get free money, I complained because the payout was below 70 percent 99 percent of the time. Etc Anyway those of you who are wise do heed ...the rest of you addicts sorry for treading on ya tootsies...

I am not in to blackmail I was merely stating my experience and yes the payouts are much lower....

I will say AMEN to you all.....I just became totally bored with throwing money at them all and yes they had it for free most of the time....

I am sorry the select few took offence, was expected....like a non smoker talking to a smoker same kind of reaction....

ITS ALL A CON

Why are there so many complaints on here if it was plain fair.Anyway no debate I was quite diplomatic and still am ...thats my choice not to play anymore.



!
 
You are right Sueps, stated what was your own opinion, and god forbid that you should do that aroung here.
 
fcat said:
You are right Sueps, stated what was your own opinion, and god forbid that you should do that aroung here.
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We can all express our opinions as much as we want fcat, it's just that sometimes we don't all agree with each other.

God knows, I've said many silly things on here and felt like that no-one was listening. (Who said that? :p)

It's really not as cliquey as you think it is.

...And I know where sueps is coming from. When you are on a losing streak you start to think of lots of things and you are probably thinking that the casinos are just trying to scam you and all that shit - it's only natural. I've been there sooo many times as well!
 
i dont know how i can make this perfectly clear but here goes...you cannot win in the long run on slots. the problem with most online players is they(we) play constantly. in a b&m casino one can hit and go home. online that is not possible. we are home. slots are a casinos biggest income generator. if you play 24/7 you will lose. peroid. the numbers are way against you. think of how much you play online compared to a real casino. you can walk into a real casino for a day, or a week, and hit and call it a trip. online though, even if you hit and cashout, you are playing 10 minutes later. people can come out ahead in their gambling sessions no doubt. but the more sessions played the better off the house is. home = more sessions played therefore more losses. very simple.
 
cheekymonkey said:
...And I know where sueps is coming from. When you are on a losing streak you start to think of lots of things and you are probably thinking that the casinos are just trying to scam you and all that shit - it's only natural. I've been there sooo many times as well!
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Yep, me too.

The very basis of intelligence is taking events and connecting them to make some sort of sense out of it.

Anything random won't fit that thinking, and yet we try to make connections that make sense, I.e. the game must be rigged, someone is flipping a switch on the other side because I lost after x event, I found a great strategy because I won x times doing this, and and and....

Random is just - well - random. If it made any sense at all, it would not be random. But our brains will never cease to try to inject some sense or continuity into it. Just human nature.
 
LOL cheeky, no one ever listens to me most the time here but I still type if I have something to type or add my 2cents worth :)
As for everyone having their own opinions fcat, we indeed all do and no one was jumping on her for stating hers. I believe what was being addressed by alot in her post was her not wanting to share the names of the casino since she took the time to come and post it.
I'm not a big time gambler, unless you call taking $30 or even $40 every other weekend to sit and have some enjoyment, an addict, but I can honestly say that I'd prefer to NOT waste my money at a casino where the name of the game is to rip as many players off as possible(which is alot of places, I know)
And yes, if I so happen to be lucky and win, then you can be dang sure I'm going to kick up a stink if the casino tries to dodge me(Im just going to make sure they are the accredited ones from now on)
I didn't take offense myself sueps of your post, just didn't understand why you wouldn't want to share the names of the casinos that left a bad taste in your mouth.
As the old saying goes "Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one" :)
 
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dominique said:
Yep, me too.

The very basis of intelligence is taking events and connecting them to make some sort of sense out of it.

Anything random won't fit that thinking, and yet we try to make connections that make sense, I.e. the game must be rigged, someone is flipping a switch on the other side because I lost after x event, I found a great strategy because I won x times doing this, and and and....

Random is just - well - random. If it made any sense at all, it would not be random. But our brains will never cease to try to inject some sense or continuity into it. Just human nature.
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The most intelligent reply on this forum in awhile!!!!!!!!!
 
heatherad said:
just didn't understand why you wouldn't want to share the names of the casinos that left a bad taste in your mouth.
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Because Heather, she thought she could drag it out, THREATEN to expose their low payout percentages, and try and hit them up for some more "hush" money. Hang around long enough, you'll find out that people like using this board for that. Especially when it comes to 32Red. It's been pretty common knowledge that Pat has been pretty generous with people, and especially if they feel like they've had a really bad session. He looks at it as giving you another kick at the can. I don't know any other casinos that do that.

So now, the in thing to do is to come on here and bitch and moan about low payouts, and get thrown a bonus. Like I said, stick around long enough, you'll see the patterns developing.

Bye sueps. Thanks for your earth shattering revelations. You lost at a casino? Wow, I never would have guessed.
 
Thank you Pinababy69 :)
Your post was very insightful indeed.
This was one post I wasn't grasping the concept of it all, now I do ;)
Truer words were never typed when you typed *such high drama* other than the person who came up with the phrase "you win some, you loose some".

P.S. Sounds like Pat gives players more than a fair chance even though he doesn't have to.
 
WOW PINABABY FROM CANADA YOU GOT PMT OR SUMMAT COS YA SURE HAVE GOT A NASTY TASTE IN YA ASSUMPTIOUS POSTS

LIKE I SAID I HAVE CLOSED ALL MY ACCOUNTS AND AM NOT AFTER A FREE BONUS. IF YA SEE IT LIKE THAT TURN IT ON ITS HEAD AND THE CASINOS HAVE GOTTEN MORE THAN THEIR FREE SHARE OF MONEY OFF OF ME.

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE ON HERE THAT SEEMS TO BE INDIFFERENT AND INSENSITIVE..NO WONDER YA GOT A SOLITARY 3 YEAR CAREER GOING AT CASINOMEISTER AND PURSUE A SOLITARY ADDICTION...WHATS WRONG WITH YA LIGHTEN UP .........AND READ THE POST IN ITS CORRECT MANNER...I POSTED ON HERE AS IT IS A CASINO FORUM ...

IF PEOPLE CAME INTO MY OFFICE AND I DEALT THEM WITH HALF A HAND AND UNDERCUT THEIR LOYALTY THEN THEY HAVE EVERY RITE TO COMPLAIN..... NOW IF YA SO SHALLOW TO THINK THAT EVERYONE GETS FREE MONEY BY POSTING ON A FORUM THEN THATS YOUR PROBLEM. AND SO BE IT. AND IF YA SUCH A BULLY THAT YA HAVE TO CUT AND PASTE IN ORDER TO GET THE VUNERABLE TO AGREE WITH YOU THEN YA WELL SUITED TO LIVING IN PLACES LIKE THIS WHERE YA CAN HIDE BEHIND A SCREEN DURING MOST YA WAKING ACTIVITY.

END OF RANT
BYE PINABABY
THERES ALWAYS ONE
 

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