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When blowing 2K is a good thing!

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by kimss, Apr 3, 2006.

    Apr 3, 2006
  1. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    I was reading up on the bonus-whores thread, and desided to check out All Slots Casino with their 300% promotion since I hadn't used that one. So I did what I shouldn't do - I installed the casino and deposited 50 Euro.

    I do not know what this post really should be about, but it sure as hell is a typical scenario when playing at the online casino, since things turn quite fast. So the possible moral of this little story is :

    1. If you win 1-2K stop playing, withdraw and flush it. Watch a movie while the withdrawal is pending. Wait a day or two so other people can loose money - read : fill up the payout table again.

    If you manage to do this, this post is not for you and you might aswell stop reading, if you for some reason find yourself returning to a casino later same day after winning, after telling yourself that you are satisfied - keep on reading!

    For me this became a cheap 50 euro lesson!

    So what happened was I started out, playing what I know and where to win, and after a few hours I was from 200 Euro up in 2000 Euro. This is infact very good I might add. I needed to wager 4000 to meet the promotion rules, and at the point I was up in 2049 Euro to be correct my calculations told me I had wagered 7340 - So I was well over and ready to cash out!

    Wonderful - 50 euro to 2049 euro! Thats almost 2000 euro in winnings!

    So I went for the withdrawal, and chose 1850 Euro so I had some left for playing later. But then I see that CFT, or refunds by Visa (refunds to the account you last deposited from) - which is my preferred method which for example both Spin Palace and 32Red has - was not here? Bummer! I therefore sendt an email to the people at the All Slots Casino asking them what to do with the withdrawal and if they had this method.

    And here comes the problem - and hopefully someone can see a lesson here...

    As most of us know by know, I'm a cronic obsessive gambling addict, or whatever you want to call it. I have a real hard time stopping, so for me catching this break felt real good I must say! It almost was like the winds of cosmos was breathing wind in my sails again, it was as if it was a good thing reinstalling the casino. But still, the money was in the casino and not in my bank account, I needed to withdraw...

    2 1/2 hours later, still no email. I checked the webpage and no instant chat either. So I do the very stupid thing and start playing low wagering on Harveys.. We know that tune, and we know what the next part of the post will be... Attached you find the details for this session while I waited for the support to respond to my email.

    Chart explernation
    To explain the chart, SLOT is the slot, BET is the amount wagered on the spin, SPINS is number of times played, WAGER is then spins x bet, and WIN is the total amount won. The % is the result, where 100% is 100% payout, meaning I didnt loose or win anything. Red numbers are loosing, green numers are winning more than 50% of the wagered amount (Meaning starting with 100 and ending with 150). Finally you have totals in grey, and a total balance on the slot.

    By the way, the chart is compiled by a little PHP script I wrote. PM me if you want it to do your own calculations from the playcheck. It's very handy in calculating the odds here and there, since I won't be playing more online gaming I don't need to protect my stats script either, :D

    From 2.000 to 0 Euro in a 1.000 spins

    As you see this session quickly shrank my 2049 euros down to nothing, which is of no surprise and it only costed me 50 euro out of my pocket. Its kinda obvious that MG was in eating mode in this session, or I might be out of luck - whatever the reasons here are something to remember :

    Repeat : If you win 1-2K stop playing, withdraw and flush it. Watch a movie while the withdrawal is pending. I have done this so many times earlier, and I have startet playing later the same day only to experience a typical session as the one attached. I might be superstitious - but If you had your share of luck - keep it, dont stretch it!

    My conclusion about online gambling!
    For gambling addicts, like me again (I'm not proud of it, but it's important to mention it as it's people like me this information is ment for, so I hope I can help someone with this), online gambling in it's current state is far to dangerous. There are especially 2 reasons why I would say that a compulsive gambler must stay away from online gambling!

    1. When you win money, you don't get them out in time, so a little mistake means you loose all your winnings. In time this means that you are loosing all the time, even the times you are winning!
    2. As mentioned in my other thread, not keeping track of your deposits, you are infact able to dig a x2 - x10 (depening on deposit method) larger grave than intended... This might sound like a cool idea, but if you are planning to stay on this planet for a longer period than later tonight, it's a pretty messed up idea! Infact, the online casinoes should be penalized for this!

    Lets look more into point 2 here, as I would like to add something here. This weekend we had a little vacation, and I filled up my Visa and used it alot, I kept track of all the purchases however and kept all reciepts. This was on friday, saturday and sunday that the card was used. Today it's monday and I checked the account this morning, every purchase was already visible on my account... Now how the heck does the casino need 7 days for something everyone else has fixed in 1 day? We know that answer and it pisses me off!

    What this boils down to is :
    The claim for the money is done instantly, however the money are not taken until you have had time to wager them atleast one more time.
    When you withdrawal, there is a long wait before you get your money, and in many casinoes you need to look at your money from 1-2 days before they are accually processed, so that you can wait more days for them to arrive. (Which in the whole process you can with the click of a button reverse and loose them).

    Where is the gambler's edge? All edges here seems to go to the casino! Even the promo-money have a 20xWager attached to it, so there aswell we have an edge for the casino!

    So as a gambling addict I recommend all gamblers to use the landbased Casino for the following reasons :
    1. You actively need to mover your ass to get there, you need to atleast do some preperation, meaning you don't go there everyday - and that is a good thing.
    2. At the casino, you can buy beer and enjoy a cigarette (If your the smoking kind), you can enjoy conversation and look at other people play.
    3. If playing table games, it's a heck of a lot more entertaining with real people surrounding you. Poker for example also "works" alot better when seeing the faces of the other players.
    4. When you are playing, you have the money in your pocket, you insert them manually - and with this you have a pretty good feeling of how much money you are wagering. Online gambling could easily (as in my case) become plaing with numbers, where $40 equals 40SEK, and there folks - we have a big problem!
    5. When you win, you get the money instantly! No delays, no pending, no papers needs to be faxed, you dont need to play for another hour since you havnt played enough yet... Point is - you get the money back in your hand! You now can start over at point 2.
    6. Your probably drunk by now, and need to get home and sleep, remember that hamburger on the way!

    Finally, I would like to say that MG has done a great job with the new games - Moonshine and Isis, real cool games. And I wish that I hadnt put so much at stake online, and that I had more control over my gambling, and that I accually could wait for a day or two without having to logon and waste the winnings... I wish for a lot of thing infact, but at the end of the day - I got myself a cheap learning lesson out of this and probably should send flowers to All Slots Casino. I know the tune of the song i missed... And here it is:

    It's all a cliche for people like me
    Remember the last casino I tested before I desided to uninstall was Roxy Palace, mentioned in the 5K thread. Where I started with 200 euro, and stopped at 1300. I cashed out 1000, but the 72 hour pending killed me. I couldnt wait, so I had to keep going, made the 300 become 900 - lost the 900, reversed the 1000 and lost them aswell. Deposited a fresh 100 more, lost them and there you go. Going from 1100 in winnings, to infact 1700 in winnings - ending with 300 in loss... Stupid stupid! Then we installi All Slots Casino, starting with 50, stopping at 2050 Euro - can't withdraw, need help, dont get help, start wagering again, loose it all.

    But what if I got a response by email, what if I infact got my 2000 Euro out of the casino!

    I would see the money back in my account and I would be very happy, I would have prooven for myself that I infact can play online and I can win aswell. I would then be ready to deposit a new 500 euro into the casino, I like having 500 to work on. I do not know how those would go, but if we jump 1 month into time - I'm sure that I would have lost much more than the 1950 I had in winnings! Or, I would win and win, I would probably believe I was king of the hill and do a "How to blow 10K" thread instead, so I believe it was a good thing that I infact lost the 2000 Euroes!

    Infact - I feel great about it!
     
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  2. Apr 3, 2006
  3. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    By the way, for those interested - here are the stats for the first session which won me the 2000 euroes. I'm sure some of you would like this more than the session above, :)
     
  4. Apr 3, 2006
  5. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    And here are both sessions in same stats. Total loss 50 + 150 in bonus + 10 from loyalty bonus, i made a 1000 loyalty points from the spins below.

    Enjoy.
     
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  6. Apr 3, 2006
  7. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Occupation:
    Devil's Advocate
    Location:
    Heaven
    Thanks for that, Kimss - very interesting read!

    I too recommend getting out when you hit certain levels that you set for yourself (for me, it's every $500). Trouble is, the last four weeks I have not hit that ONCE :( The month before, I could do that quite easily...
     
  8. Apr 3, 2006
  9. managra

    managra Dormant account

    Occupation:
    finance
    Location:
    USA
    Oh, Kimss, what a crazy guy you are! :D . I have told you before, true gamblers play to lose and you . . . well, . . .ahum . . . i think you get the picture . . .
    I haven't the time to sift through all your charts and long posts but i did look at the chart how you won the $2K. You won by placing measly $2.25 bets!!! Okay, you still had WRs to go through (that's why i hate playing for bonuses)but in your shoes, i would have figured out a worse case scenario of how much of the $2k i would have to give back if every game would turn pretty cold on me.

    Anyway, the thing is you look for all sorts of bloody excuses to keep on playing so that you can . . . L O S E . I know Allslots quite well, it's my favorite casino (but when i have a bit of luck there i stay away from it for at least a week; ditto with any other casino where i had some luck). I often call them on the phone if i have a question. They are very polite and helpful. They nowadays flush withdrawals within 6 hours!!!

    So, kimss, stop giving all these reasons why you lost $2k. Please don't title threads "when blowing $2K is a good thing " :) . Blowing $2k is awful unless you had donated it to a poor soul such as me; i would have been playing a looooong time with that.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2006
  11. Johnny Empire

    Johnny Empire Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Accounting
    Location:
    Yorba Linda, Home of Nixon
    And the short version of kimss's post:

    So stop playing. Cancel your internet connection, it's not like anyone really needs one.
     
  12. Apr 3, 2006
  13. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Truly sorry about your gambling problem. :(

    The best thing you can do is to uninstall all casinos, but before then, you might want to impose a self ban with all the ones you have accounts with if you feel the need. (Just a suggestion)

    Most will honor this request and close your account and refuse you any more play at them, and if you feel the urge to play, then you will have to go to the trouble of going to a land based one which will help slow you down some if this is in fact what you want.
     
  14. Apr 3, 2006
  15. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    In my case, I am able to gain 500 credits almost wherever i Play, atleast 3/4 times looking at my stats for march 2006 (Not counting Riverbelle, and start with 500 credits) - but I just can't seem to stop. If you look at the session I won, and if you had looked at my other stats from the other casinoes you would quickly see a trend where the machines have good payouts - believe it or not. This means that if the machine has something to give, there are certain bets that will give you the payout within the first 10-20 spins. And again - there is no point in winning 1K today, 1K tomorrow and so - when you loose your head and loose 5K one night... Or when you win 1K and cant wait for the pending hours...

    On the other hand, if you plaing below the $1 marker, winning 500 is pretty darn hard! When wagering $9 it's pretty darn easy... But you can't play for more than 30 minutes, since your luck will run out. And might I add, I've learned there are tactics that give better payouts on the different machines aswell.

    Looking at Ladies Nite today - there was some stupid wagering from me. I should have stopped after 50 spins naturally, since statistically based on over 200K of wagering this rarely will give you a good win - and as you see I ended up with almost 900 credits in loss today on that machine, very stupid. Tomorrow however, I would say that depositing 150 credits and going 5.4 on Ladies would most likely give me freespins, and the freespins would probably give around 500. Also Tally Ho would most likely pay out tomorrow, since today gave nothing. Then again, we are talking 5.4 and 9 spinning here. There is some sort of system in this madness, believe me - but when you cant call it quits, there really isn't any point in going on...

    If you look at Harveys, also based on over 200K worth of wagering, the only wager you accually win money are on $25 wagering... Which is kinda scary... So you better choose wisely the times you try 20-30 spins on $25, but when it hits you could get great wins - or you could get $80 as I got one time... Put it in other words, you can't win 5K wagering $5 (I'd sure love to see a screenshot of it), atleast you cant have positive expectations of winning it. With $25 you have positive expectations of winning atleast $2000, but you better not use 300 spins to get the bonus... On Spin Palace I was down over 5K historically on Harveys, until I had some luck when doing some $25 spins which gave a $3500 payout, some days later I had a $1000 win on $25 and then I pretty much evened out those ods. Loaded is also a very hard machine to win on it seems, so basically I would say don't play on Harveys and Loaded, :D
     
  16. Apr 3, 2006
  17. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    Hehe, I get it - man do I get it, :D

    Not entirely true, there are alot of $9 and even some $18 in there, and not all $5 are 25 lines x 2, :)

    Very true, and it is the point of my post.

    The only problem was that it was my first withdrawal here, so no withdrawal history was in place... So I needed some help, I should have called them but playing abit "secretly" in the house it's never a good idea jumping to the phone for the whole family to hear you. But you are right, we are talking excuses again, :D

    Hehe, it's a bad title - but it's true for me. I infact think it was all good! I choose to look at it "casino-argument", I only lost 50 Euro...

    By the way, I still havnt gotten a reply from All Slots Casino - it has gone over 6 hours now, so they could easily improve their support. But that doesnt matter anymore, ;) If I feel the urge next time, Ill give you a hundred dollars instead, this way I will fell much better, you will feel much better - and I will only loose a 100 dollars, :D

    I work in a internet company, developing web-applications, so I guess canceling my internet connection is out of the question, :D But stop playing, oh yes, I'm still working on it - hopefully I learned my lessen by some twisted logic.

    I have alreadu done this, but today - after spending to much time in this forum nurishing my gambling needs, I tipped over and did a promo run, which the whole world now knows were went, :D I look at this as a little self-therapy in public, :) After all, you people in here are the best people to comment me, since you all have some sort of connection with gambling. Some of you are happy gamblers, and some of you are in to deep - but you all have in common that you know what gambling is, is you all understand me much better that Average Joe which doesnt gamble.

    I know I gamble like an idiot, and especially online - but I'm starting to atleast understand what the reasons are why I tend to mess up online, since I dont't do it on the landbased casino. I have nothing against the online casinos, their fun to play in and you can win alot of money, but people like me need to face the facts here and there and understand why we play differently online and landbased.

    The day online casinos can charge the money directly, and a withdrawal is done instantly aswell - then we have a good system which I can use, but not this system. I remember some years ago, they did it even better. You deposited $500, and if you withdrew $500 within the 24 hours they canceled the Visa deposit - so your account would never bve charged!

    Now - I wonder why they don't do that anymore...
     
  18. Apr 3, 2006
  19. managra

    managra Dormant account

    Occupation:
    finance
    Location:
    USA
    Kimss, i hope my previous post in this thread didn't offend you. It wasn't my intention. I just find it so sad that an intelligent guy like you can't have the discipline to play slots just as a fun entertainment. You seem to NEED, for emotional/psychological reasons, those big wins and then things go to hell.
    We all know that when we have a lucky session, it gives a great high and it's hard to quit. You just need to set limits for yourself at which point you will withdraw no matter what. Also limit the amount of time you play per week, since luck is a scarce commodity in casinos. Good luck to you and to all of us really :)

    EDIT: Just as i submitted this post, i noticed your lengthy reply. Great minds think alike, we just bet differently :) Since you are not living alone, can't you get the support from someone in your family to tell you when to call it quits? Besides setting limits when to quit, you also need to find out how quickly a casino flush payments and how good their phone support is. I remember playing at Roxy, got a half decent result, wanted to withdraw but learned that they don't process payments over the weekend, so i continued to play with nothing left to withdraw eventually. This probably happens to a lot of people. So, avoid playing at casinos on days when you know they won't process payment.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2006
  20. Apr 3, 2006
  21. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    Sorry, but I see nothing meritorious in any of this at this point. You are an admitted (that's good at least) gambling addict who'd uninstalled all casinos. However, you're still hanging out at Casinomeister, confronted with "winner screenshots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and "heeeeeey come play our coooooooool January/February/March/April/May/June/July etc ad inf / nauseum slot comp guys!!!!!!!" threads at every turn, you've gone back on your "word", reinstalled a casino and lost another 50 euros.

    Now you've posted another thread saying busting 2000 euros is a good thing.

    Sorry, I'm not convinced. How many more?

    At this point I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears, but I'll say it anyway:

    STOP GAMBLING. If you have ANY control at all in this department, GET OUT NOW. Dump the casinos, get all gambling sites out your favourites menu and GET OUT.

    If you want to stay involved in gambling, volunteer for a gamcare type organisation and help others to REALLY quit. All you're doing here is fuelling your addiction and earning the undying gratitude of a bunch of businesses who really do not need your money.
     
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  22. Apr 3, 2006
  23. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Loser
    Location:
    Back at my mums
    ouch!

    been there - done that, got the t-shirt etc etc etc.

    really pisses me off to hear stories like this, MG slots are virtually impossible to win with

    im starting to think the only way to win on them is to play the progressives and just hope you hit - all the others are just cash guzzlers

    vul kimss
     
  24. Apr 3, 2006
  25. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

    Occupation:
    Crusader
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario - Canada
    That is the best advice in this thread....and much as I hate to admit it, Caruso is right. You have a serious problem, by your own admission. You need to take some steps to get back some control before your life starts circling the drain.

    Don't just write to the casinos requesting your accounts to be closed. Be very specific....tell them that you have a serious problem, and that under no circumstances do you wish to be allowed to play any longer. You need to do this ASAP.

    You are obviously looking for some advice or help, that's why you are posting this stuff here. I think you have been given some great advice by more than one person.
     
  26. Apr 3, 2006
  27. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    I'm with Caruso on this one, too - I don't like the way this is all going.

    QUOTE: STOP GAMBLING. If you have ANY control at all in this department, GET OUT NOW. Dump the casinos, get all gambling sites out your favourites menu and GET OUT.

    If you want to stay involved in gambling, volunteer for a gamcare type organisation and help others to REALLY quit. All you're doing here is fuelling your addiction and earning the undying gratitude of a bunch of businesses who really do not need your money. UNQUOTE
     
  28. Apr 3, 2006
  29. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I have to agree on this too. Join a compulsive gamblers support group. Something. Here's a kickstart:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Groups for Norway :)

    I guess I was sort of lucky. I started when I was 21 (Thanks sis!)...Won $300 my first time out, which was pure luck, and went from there. 5 years later, I had about $30k racked up in CC's. Good thing I never got sued nor wages garnished, or I'd be in worse shape than I am now (just bad credit and can't get a card anywhere).

    Sure, I'm playing with fire nowdays I guess, but I have it under control. No more gambling with rent money, food money..you get the idea. I just see that's where it's leading with you unless you stop now. Don't say it won't happen, because it can, and will. I've been there.

    I think back now and wish I would have maxed out credit cards to stick that $30k in Microsoft stock!!! (I think it was $10/share then)....I'd be a multimillionare by now and would consider opening my own online casino! LOL

    Anyways, hindsight is 20/20.

    This post wasn't to bash you or anything, but maybe a wakeup call? Nip the problem in the bud.
     
  30. Apr 3, 2006
  31. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I'm sure you meant the best with this, but there's a deeper problem here :) ps: Progressives can be cash guzzlers too...
     
  32. Apr 3, 2006
  33. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    thats probably a good thing though winbig :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
  34. Apr 3, 2006
  35. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    You've got that right. I'm just lucky that there's a 'statute of limitations' on how long CC debt can stay on your credit report. It's 7 years. After that, by law, they have to REMOVE it.

    err...at least in the USA it's like that. Not sure about other countries.


    Before we get into a debate about acking up credit cards without the ability to pay, then filing bankruptcy, the USA has since passed _very_ strict laws on what you can and can't file against for bankruptcy...making it even harder for you to write off CC debt.
     
  36. Apr 4, 2006
  37. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    Loser
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    Back at my mums
    definitely winbig yes - i dont really know where i was going with that point

    hmmmmm........well i do, but maybe save it for another thread!!! :p
     
  38. Apr 4, 2006
  39. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Loser
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    Back at my mums
    i think its 6 here in the UK - i cant really remember
     

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