Roguish Tradition Casino and likely all Rival casinos are Rogue. All Evidence shown here.

[bonustreak]

At last check on the GPWA, nary a peep about this issue...and how it affects the players ie. the affiliates livelihood. And at AGD...it has been brought up, but not more than a few posts on it.

Since I am a rep for AGD have been active in this thread, the thread at AGD as well. I don't think it is fair to lump AGD in this since we have been taking a very active stance against Rival operators on many different issues! I have to say as of late it is hard to keep up with the many things piling up against Rival software and Rival operators in these last few weeks.

 

[silcnlayc]

SamD:So Rival does not control the code for their games. And anyone who claims they do has been lying, I guess. they pretty much confirm our worst fear in this regard, that games at each casino can be individually "configured" even to the point where they underpay in gross fashion.

So what else is new?? Excellent obsevation WITH PROOF! Nice to know all my "theories" were not all in my head and dogboy isn't "all that" as most followed his evey word with tongues and tails wagging unquestioning..but when it came to push come to shove, dogboy disappeared without an answer to a really big question...but yet, It was I that got slammed for asking it.. This is some really serious sh*t that I have tried to point out for the last 2 years....but could never come up with proof..

Thank goodness others are now finding it and actually able to capture it for showing.

bb28:Well damn.......It was a interesting thread until Dogboy got fed up and left. Can't say I blame him.

silcnlayc, I don't understand where you are coming from, you are obviously sure in your mind that the software cheats.......I don't mean to be rude, but it gets tiresome reading your theories over and over again. __________________

Pinababy69: Outstanding post Dogboy, and pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about the whole "rigged" argument.

Originally Posted by silcnlayc
Exactly..only the ones in the know actually can say this...but then we have a few "tweaks" that have gone bad such as the double pears on a reel and the reduction in payout on Greenlight ..etc, but we are supposed to "overlook " these changes..they do not count..I cannot imagine how many other changes we really have overlooked thinking we imagined it when we really didn't..don't you???

Nifty29:I respect your opinion Silc, but I believe this is way off the mark.

you have such a great way of posting and i do respect your opinion but im getting tired of the same ole ride over and over again...........Laurie

JohnSteed:If 'silcnlayc' pushes her perspectives too much, I'm willing to overlook that because I can also appreciate the fact that she has experience playing on line, and that she's willing to post about it. It's not as though she's being applauded by everyone along the way either, so I find that she's put up with a lot of crap as well considering that she still makes an effort to write about her opinions/perspectives stemming from her personal experience.

It is nice to know others appreciated my input...so as I said, how hard is it to put a line of code in a game..well, this answered it..
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[Pinababy69]

Since I am a rep for AGD have been active in this thread, the thread at AGD as well. I don't think it is fair to lump AGD in this since we have been taking a very active stance against Rival operators on many different issues! I have to say as of late it is hard to keep up with the many things piling up against Rival software and Rival operators in these last few weeks.

True enough Bonustreak. I did see quite a few threads all in relation to Rival, no argument there. And I applaud what you guys do there. I'd just really like to see an issue like this get more exposure. Proof of cheating/unfair play doesn't come along all that often. When it does, it needs to be exposed, by any means possible.

Silc...what does Dogboy have to do with Rival? I agree about the proof part...this thread shows incontrovertible proof of unfair play. No two ways around it. But Dogboy designed games for RTG, not Rival.

If anyone ever got any hard core proof (like this) that RTG was "rigging" their games...I'd be screaming that from the mountain tops as well. This really isn't the same as someone (or a group) saying "it just feels different", while just as many others say that the play seems the same. I'm not saying you're wrong in your feelings...but just stating the same thing over and over....doesn't make it fact. This thread is fact. There's a big difference, IMO.

 

[silcnlayc]

Pinababy69: Silc...what does Dogboy have to do with Rival? I agree about the proof part...this thread shows incontrovertible proof of unfair play. No two ways around it. But Dogboy designed games for RTG, not Rival.

It has a LOT to do with this thread. 2 casino platforms have been exposed for unfair practices, Rival and Top Game. I feel, that to believe someone in the know as dogboy is, you will only be fed what he wants you to believe. The proof will happen soon I believe, and then he also will have no more believabilty than Rival or Top Game people "in the know".

When RTG, and other platforms are "outed",only then we will see a fair game again as we did many years ago. I believe this will be a wakeup call to all the other casino operators. This thread might just bring some sense back into the other casino games and they will never be found out due to the changes they will implement, which hopefully come to pass. But if not , then all will be good and then the true nature of the operators will be exposed as it is here.

This has been a long time coming. The dominoes are falling and it is thanks to the ones that have been most diligent , not to the ones that spew what they want you to hear and believe.

Pinababy:If anyone ever got any hard core proof (like this) that RTG was "rigging" their games...I'd be screaming that from the mountain tops as well.

No you wouldn't. You would find some kind of answer to any questionable practices just as you have before.

Pinababy69:This thread is fact. There's a big difference, IMO.

Yep that has beared out my "feelings" of changes with online casinos.

Pinababy69:This really isn't the same as someone (or a group) saying "it just feels different

The only difference was, I had no proof....

.

 

[Pinababy69]

I'd love to find out if RTG, MG or Crypto even have such a setting as 1:1 for any blackjack game on offer.

Sorry to quote myself...but I was curious about the 1:1 BJ setting. In re: MG, all blackjack games are set at 3:2, with the exception of Double Exposure Blackjack, and Super Fun 21 Blackjack. Both of these pay even money or 1:1. Maybe there are other variations...but this is what I was told.

In any event, the operators do have access to max bet limits..but in no way can they change the payout for a game. They just do not have those types of permissions on the software. So if one day you were playing Vegas Strip Blackjack at 3:2, it's physically impossible that the next day you could login and be playing an even money (1:1) version of it.

If Dave (Webz) reads this, he will confirm it I'm sure....he worked for Ladbroke's for a few years, and knows the ins and outs of the MG software.

I'm still dumbfounded that individual Rival operators have the ability to just go in and change a game's settings in such a way. Some of the posts I've read lately in re: the way they conduct their business, makes me wonder if some of them have even ever played at a casino, online or off. Or have a basic understanding of math, HA, etc. To think that they can just "tinker" with their games at will...is beyond disturbing.

No you wouldn't. You would find some kind of answer to any questionable practices just as you have before.

Wow!! As I have before? Yeah, that sounds like me...letting casinos and software providers skate by on shady practices. Bring us the proof and we'll put that to the test.

The difference here is that there are screenshots of BJ hands advertising "Blackjack Pays 3 to 2", while it quite obviously is only paying 1:1. That is not even remotely in the same ballpark as you, or some others, saying that RTG (or whoever) have tightened their slots. Maybe they (meaning RTG) have adjusted the RTP...we all know they have different settings. But there are just as many of us who are happy with our RTG play...not just me. Again, that is nothing more than opinions/gut feelings on play (yours AND mine). There is nothing concrete in either opinion/experience. This situation with Rival is not even remotely in the same ballpark...other than to prove that cheating with software can happen. And who ever said it couldn't? I only ever said that I never felt cheated at RTG or MG...while you say you do. I have never once said it was impossible...I'd be a fool if I did.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

It's a pity not many of you play Paigow poker. I had experienced a hand where a push (dealer wins low hand and I win the high hand) resulted in my bet being lost. So if you play very fast, it is likely that these table games are traps for unaware players. I can understand that these glitches could occur but if this only happened at Tradition only there is a serious problem with the software. So should both the software and casino be rogued?

For the records, Rival never fixes it's table games. There is another glitch at paigow poker involving the use of the Joker (wont bother going into details). I relayed this to 2 Rival casinos. They told me it would be fixed but up till now I still notice the error. That was more than a year ago.

I HEAR YA!.............Dealer Wins

SIDENOTE:Help, why am I having to resize screenshots (the width) as per the manage attachments instructions?

Screenshot below-A glitch or pre-determined outcome???? Tread carefully, real carefully!!

 

[sjn]

With all these glitches and pai gow errors that seem to be reoccurring in Rival software I am surprised any casino using that software can possibly be accredited no matter how reliable or trustworthy they are. I'd go further and say they should be rogued as there is no excuse for these errors to go unfixed for so long after players have highlighted them.

 

[Pinababy69]

I HEAR YA!.............Dealer Wins

Screenshot below-A glitch or pre-determined outcome???? Tread carefully, real carefully!!

What the hell Nash? I originally skimmed your screenshot, because I thought it was Paigow, lol...relating to Chu's post.

Dealer had 9, you had 17...but the Dealer won the hand? That was the final outcome? WTF? Or had the dealer just not received his next card as yet? Did the hand play out? If so..what was the final outcome? If not, wtf?

 

[bb28]

What the hell Nash? I originally skimmed your screenshot, because I thought it was Paigow, lol...relating to Chu's post.

Dealer had 9, you had 17...but the Dealer won the hand? That was the final outcome? WTF? Or had the dealer just not received his next card as yet? Did the hand play out? If so..what was the final outcome? If not, wtf?

I have another question for you Nash.........is it just me or is there a shadow of a A & J? in the background of the 4 & 5? Or am I seeing things?

 

[NASHVEGAS]

It's a pity not many of you play Paigow poker. I had experienced a hand where a push (dealer wins low hand and I win the high hand) resulted in my bet being lost. So if you play very fast, it is likely that these table games are traps for unaware players. I can understand that these glitches could occur but if this only happened at Tradition only there is a serious problem with the software. So should both the software and casino be rogued?

For the records, Rival never fixes it's table games. There is another glitch at paigow poker involving the use of the Joker (wont bother going into details). I relayed this to 2 Rival casinos. They told me it would be fixed but up till now I still notice the error. That was more than a year ago.

Bryan has been aware of most of this and much more for approx. a couple of years. Yet, just a few months after the Rival/Bonne Chance/Irish Luck 29 page thread and Rival progressive ordeals as well as the T2 litigation and threads, he accredited white labels (where Greedygirl had just recently become the affiliate manager) as well as Sloto who he had planned on accrediting sooner but held off as I hopefully remember correctly from a PM exchange which I will confirm. I counted over 30 recent (before I said eff it so there could be hundreds) Rival threads in the last few months that contain consistent similar complaints. Half empty, half full. Bet on half full

 

[Pinababy69]

I have another question for you Nash.........is it just me or is there a shadow of a A & J? in the background of the 4 & 5? Or am I seeing things?

I saw that too Bonita. I sort of assumed that it was the previous hand's cards going into the little slot they get swept into, lol. Can ya tell I'm not a big time BJ player?

But good question, what are they, and where did they come from?

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I have another question for you Nash.........is it just me or is there a shadow of a A & J? in the background of the 4 & 5? Or am I seeing things?

You are not seeing things, next question but if you are assuming the dealer won with either card, that assumption is not supported by the hand history

 

[bb28]

You are not seeing things, next question but if you are assuming the dealer won with either card, that assumption is not supported by the hand history

Where Rival is concerned, its best NOT to assume anything, but thanks for clarifying that.

 

[bb28]

So what else is new?? Excellent obsevation WITH PROOF! Nice to know all my "theories" were not all in my head and dogboy isn't "all that" as most followed his evey word with tongues and tails wagging unquestioning..but when it came to push come to shove, dogboy disappeared without an answer to a really big question...but yet, It was I that got slammed for asking it.. This is some really serious sh*t that I have tried to point out for the last 2 years....but could never come up with proof..

Thank goodness others are now finding it and actually able to capture it for showing. It is nice to know others appreciated my input...so as I said, how hard is it to put a line of code in a game..well, this answered it..
.

Silcnlyc, what you've done in your post is like comparing apples to oranges. This is about Rival not RTG or Dogboy.

It's not time to bring out the popcorn yet.......at least where RTG is concerned.

Now when you do get some proof on RTG.......I'm all ears.

 

[Jufo]

I have another question for you Nash.........is it just me or is there a shadow of a A & J? in the background of the 4 & 5? Or am I seeing things?

Those A & J are just background graphics that have been drawn on the table surface. See the screenshots in OP's first post and you see the same cards there.

 

[Mavin1]

Silcnlyc, what you've done in your post is like comparing apples to oranges. This is about Rival not RTG or Dogboy.

It's not time to bring out the popcorn yet.......at least where RTG is concerned.

Now when you do get some proof on RTG.......I'm all ears.

The thing with comparing "apples to oranges", is that although many would like to keep the blinders on and think there is no comparison, the fact is they are both edible.
The casino industry was not built on honesty completely, they also have there unspoken well kept secrets, compromise, lies, deception, manipulation, expected revenue and on and on. If it takes manipulation to acquire expected returns for an industry that has grown so vast and is raking in the millions from the pocket books of the masses, then they will do what ever it takes to maintain there overhead and increase their profits.
Sometimes they are blatantly caught dead to rights, but for most of the time they aren't, as it is so subtle that always having hard core evidence is very difficult to obtain.
One would have to be pretty naive to think, they would "never" hook and crook the players to keep their bank accounts bulging.
The average player can only judge and weigh the evidence by the experience of their play. When a casino or platform is all take and no give, then everyone should stop supporting them, same as with proven evidence of outright cheating, stop playing them. When the money dries up maybe then they will see the light.

So I totally support Silc's stance on this issue no matter what platform is being discussed.
Her position is not exclusive to RTG.........

 

[bb28]

The thing with comparing "apples to oranges", is that although many would like to keep the blinders on and think there is no comparison, the fact is they are both edible.
The casino industry was not built on honesty completely, they also have there unspoken well kept secrets, lies, deception, manipulation, expected revenue and on and on. If it takes manipulation to acquire expected returns for an industry that has grown so vast and is raking in the millions from the pocket books of the masses, then they will do what ever it takes to maintain there overhead and increase their profits.
Sometimes they are blatantly caught dead to rights, but for most of the time they aren't, as it is so subtle that always having hard core evidence is very difficult to obtain.
One would have to be pretty naive to think, they would "never" hook and crook the players to keep their bank accounts bulging.
The average player can only judge and weigh the evidence by the experience of their play. When a casino or platform is all take and no give, then everyone should stop supporting them, same as with proven evidence of outright cheating, stop playing them. When the money dries up maybe then they will see the light.

So I totally support Silc's stance on this issue no matter what platform is being discussed.

I'm not naive, nor am I of the opinion that everything is all hunky dory just because someone said it was so, I want proof, so don't put words in my mouth as to what you think my opinion is. All I was doing was pointing out to Silc that this thread is about Rival......not RTG.
So.......now can we get back to the IMPORTANT issue and that is RIVAL.

 

[johnsteed]

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I suppose the other way of looking at it, is that some of the players want absolute "proof" that everything is working as advertised, rather than believing that everything is all hunky dory just because someone said it was so (from any particular casino). To be fair...


I'm presently watching "Good Will Hunting", so how do you like dem apples?




Steed


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[NASHVEGAS]

Those A & J are just background graphics that have been drawn on the table surface. See the screenshots in OP's first post and you see the same cards there.

Correct Jufo thus my cryptic, "next question" but then I refered to the hand history to somewhat clarify, sorry. I will take my meds now

Still not sure why the "manage attachments" function of the forum is giving me an error message (on width size of screenshots). I can not crop the screenshots I need to keep posting. Have never received this error message before so maybe it has to do with the recent CM restoration per se. Any advice appreciated!

 

[KasinoKing]

Still not sure why the "manage attachments" function of the forum is giving me an error message (on width size of screenshots). I can not crop the screenshots I need to keep posting. Have never received this error message before so maybe it has to do with the recent CM restoration per se. Any advice appreciated!

Spot on!
Since CM moved to a new server I have found that screenshots MUST be 640x480 pixels max - and memory size is probably limited too (?). Before the software re-sized larger ones automatically.
Personally I always use Paint's Stretch & Skew feature to make my shots small enough before posting.

KK

 

[DiamondGeezer]

If you upload them to a Photobucket account they will auto shrink them into the 640 format too.

 

[Nifty29]

Silc - this thread is about Rivals BJ malfunction/cheat/etc, based on incontrovertable proof provided by another (ex)member.

You chimed in with a whole lot of stuff about Dogboy and RTG without any proof at all - just your opinion - which is fine, but it is irrelevant to this thread and it only directing the focus away from the fact that Rival has been caught with their pants down and, possibly, cheating.

As others have said, provide some inkling of evidence beyond the fact you lose all the time etc or personal 'feeling' and you will find many members, including myself, supporting your efforts.

My personal experience with RTG is that Ive had some big wins and big losses, but no more or less than any other time in the past 10 years. In fact, the past 12 months I am slightly ahead with RTG.

Do you still play online Silc? If you do, then why? You seem to sincerely believe all online casinos are cheats, so every penny you spend with any of them just gives your personal opinion less credence.

If you had the courage of your convictions and refused to play anywhere online, and devoted that time to collecting evidence of your claims, then I would be happy to help you out and would support you (and Im sure others would too).

I have to agree however, that it does become tiresome to see the same people accusing casinos of cheating all the time while they continue to deposit and play. If I had a fair idea I was being conned/cheated, there is no way on earth I would be giving them any more of my money!

Anyway....back to the Rival issue......

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 Silc - this thread is about Rivals BJ malfunction/cheat/etc, based on incontrovertable proof provided by another (ex)member.

You chimed in with a whole lot of stuff about Dogboy and RTG without any proof at all - just your opinion - which is fine, but it is irrelevant to this thread and it only directing the focus away from the fact that Rival has been caught with their pants down and, possibly, cheating.

As others have said, provide some inkling of evidence beyond the fact you lose all the time etc or personal 'feeling' and you will find many members, including myself, supporting your efforts.

My personal experience with RTG is that Ive had some big wins and big losses, but no more or less than any other time in the past 10 years. In fact, the past 12 months I am slightly ahead with RTG.

Do you still play online Silc? If you do, then why? You seem to sincerely believe all online casinos are cheats, so every penny you spend with any of them just gives your personal opinion less credence.

If you had the courage of your convictions and refused to play anywhere online, and devoted that time to collecting evidence of your claims, then I would be happy to help you out and would support you (and Im sure others would too).

I have to agree however, that it does become tiresome to see the same people accusing casinos of cheating all the time while they continue to deposit and play. If I had a fair idea I was being conned/cheated, there is no way on earth I would be giving them any more of my money!

Anyway....back to the Rival issue......

You just did what you have accused me of doing with this thread.

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[Nifty29]

You just did what you have accused me of doing with this thread.

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Upon reflection - yes I did, and I apologise to the membership.

At least I acknowledged it.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

this thread is about Rivals BJ malfunction/cheat/etc, based on incontrovertable proof provided by another (ex)member

Yes, that was the OP's issue but this thread is by no means limited solely to that issue unless of course you do not mind having software that double downs on a pair of 9's or 18, a pair of 8's or 16, and so on when you clicked the split button. And of course, a Dealer's hard 9 always beats the Player's hard 17, yes???