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SlotOCash, slot configured to 65% payout

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Zoozie, Jul 25, 2009.

    Jul 25, 2009
  1. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    It is the new ISlot Psychedeilic Sixties that was released a few weeks ago.

    I feel a little cheated because when this slot was released I played it for some time and it gave me a good turnaround (lost deposit eventually). At that time the payout was published to 95%.It felt like a medium variance slot which gives some decent playtime for your money. However in the last week I have made 4 deposit and money was gone like never seen before. (No feature in 4 deposits!).

    I do know quite a lot about luck and variance of slots and bad runs so I believe I just had a very very bad run. But then I checked the help page. It is configured to 65% payout. I like Rival software because they publish payout% for each slot, very fair software.. However I believe SlotOcash got a little too greedy with this configuration. Also it is unethical to change the slot so drastic without any notification since people believe they know what they are playing. 65% payout is even illegal in many juristictions (and it should be!)

    Check last line in the screenshot
     
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  2. Jul 25, 2009
  3. bb28

    bb28 Meister Member

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    Wow..........thanks for posting that Zoozie!
    What in the hell is Rival thinking? :mad:
     
  4. Jul 25, 2009
  5. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    I have not played this slot in real mode. Most of the payback in Rival i-slots are in the region of 95%-98% so it is possible that it was a printing error (I notice that it is 65% in other Rival casinos as well). Otherwise the slot might as well be renamed the Payout Sixties.
     
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  6. Jul 26, 2009
  7. Boris303

    Boris303 Dormant account

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    Rather bizarre I'd say, does anyone know if the casino operators can alter the individual payouts of the slots at their casinos? The info page looks like standard help page typical for every Rival.

    So if they can't it surely has to be a typo.

    And lastly, thanks for the post, because i never even knew that information was available that easily from the rival casinos, I'll check every game i play from now on.
     
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  8. Jul 26, 2009
  9. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Yes, the Rival casino-managers can do that. So it is very useful that the software reveals the payout%. Even at slotocash I have seen same slot very often switch between 93,94,95 and 96%. (Scary Rich). In the start the payout
    was published with 2 digits as well as 94.23% etc.
     
  10. Jul 26, 2009
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    We all know Rival are notorious for their scandalous level of incompetence when it comes to the detailed game rules. I don't think I've seen one new lot in the last 2 years which hasn't got at least a minor mistake, if not some glaring howler. :mad:

    It is my belief that they are taking part in a local "Care in the Community" scheme, and have employed a severely mentally handicapped person to look after the writing of the rules. Because I can't see how any normal person of average ability could make so many ridiculous errors time and time again.

    IMO this is just yet another typo - the 6 is an upside down 9.

    KK
     
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  12. Jul 26, 2009
  13. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    Thanks for the info Zoozie.

    From what I have read SlotOCash seem to have a good reputation amongst players. So I am hoping this is infact just an error. Hopefully a rep can come on and respond to this.
     
  14. Jul 26, 2009
  15. Boris303

    Boris303 Dormant account

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    Thanks for that, i been playing for a long time, you'd think i should know these things already.

    BTW how do you thank someone's post, the function is not where it normally is
     
  16. Jul 26, 2009
  17. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I think you need to have made 10 posts before you can thank someone - so just 1 more... ;)

    KK
     
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  18. Jul 26, 2009
  19. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Surely a typo.
    I never knew the return of each slot was shown either so thanks for that Zoozie and fair play to Rival if these figures can be trusted.

    So how are the payouts altered, weighted reel stop, changed reel strip or least likely changes to the payout table?

    I think it is a ridiculous situation that slot returns can be changed without the players knowledge and it is so open to abuse online it is not funny.

    Why is it acceptable for slots but not roulette or VP?
     
  20. Jul 27, 2009
  21. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    The standard way is just to change the reel layout. And I am certain this is how
    Rival does it as well. It is also the easiest way in fact and of course doing anything else would mean it was not a video-slot you were playing by definition. (That is SlotLand etc.)

    In my slotsimulator you can see two different version of Cleopatra, only the reels are changed, same paytable.
     
  22. Sep 29, 2009
  23. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    No matter what I do, I can not get Slotocash to install - it shuts down and gives me an error code every single time, in the middle of installation. I contacted support which asked me all this detailed information, I gave it to her and she said she'd forward it to technical support and have them get back to me. They never did. Then I tried to contact the rep here sloto but he isn't replying to messages.

    Advice?
     
  24. Sep 29, 2009
  25. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    If you are getting this kind of customer service why bother installing them.
     
  26. Sep 29, 2009
  27. rubyroyal

    rubyroyal Dormant account

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    Definitely a typo, our game description displays the payout as 95%.

     
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  28. Sep 29, 2009
  29. deucebag

    deucebag Experienced Member PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Can Rival operators configure the slots payback, or is it all the same across all Rival casinos?

    I find this "typo" explanation worrying, if it alows the casino to set the software to a certain percentage payback, and write something else on the help page.

    I like the fact that Rival publishes the payback, but it is a little pointless if we can't trust whether it is accurate information.
     
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  30. Sep 29, 2009
  31. rubyroyal

    rubyroyal Dormant account

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    Rival operators can absolutely NOT configure the payouts of any of its games. All the operator can change are the bet limits per a game.

    To me, its obvious this is a typo/mistake, a slot actually paying out 65% is ludicrous and would not go un-noticed . I have seen it before with some of our games where there was a typo within the game description files and its just a matter of correcting the text..


     
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  32. Sep 29, 2009
  33. Boris303

    Boris303 Dormant account

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    Thanks for the update, but can i just say i would have thought given the amount of updates this casino software seems to introduce on a very regular basis, that one of them would include an update on this obvious typo?
     
  34. Sep 30, 2009
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    :confused: This is an old thread - it was updated ages ago.
    Though they now say the return is 95%... :what:

    KK
     
  36. Sep 30, 2009
  37. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    Actually, I sent the rep here an email, and she got back to me pronto - I followed her advice and got the software up and running. Apparently, the file I downloaded initially had been corrupted and when I tried to install it, it blocked every subsequent installation which I would attempt. I had to manually delete some of these files, and this solved the issue and got it working. :)
     
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  38. Oct 1, 2009
  39. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    How can this be if:-


    Just WHO is CONSTANTLY messing with the Rival slots:confused:

    As for 65% obviously being a typo because otherwise someone would notice.

    Well Zoozie noticed something, which prompted this thread in the first place.

    Could the "typo" have been an erroneous setting of the SLOT to near 65%, rather than the wrong figure in the rules. This may have been noticed by Rival (we'll never get away with this), and corrected soon after.

    ANY software brand that CONSTANTLY alters the RTP of EXISTING games leaves itself wide open to these kinds of accusation, since players CANNOT trust that the slot they played today, will be the same game in terms of design tomorrow, and so they will be forever looking for signs that the slot has been "tweaked", and will quickly come to the conclusion that ANY bad run is due to the slot having been changed to a lower RTP, rather than simply being the result of unusually bad luck.
     

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