Excuse Me??? Her name has the word GREED and some of the thing she post is CRAFTY. Other members are calling her out on it, Incase you haven't read it, THANK YOU and have a nice day.
On Probation The Virtual Casino Group and Ace Revenue
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Excuse Me??? Her name has the word GREED and some of the thing she post is CRAFTY. Other members are calling her out on it, Incase you haven't read it, THANK YOU and have a nice day.
swampwitch
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Right. And I'm a witch who lives in a swamp.
Do you realize that Greedygirl is an employee of Bryan's? That she's doing her job...for Bryan? Greeds has been a well-respected member of the online gambling community FOREVER. She's doing her best to try to make us understand why Bryan is doing what he's doing.
Of course, it WILL come to pass that Virtual is, once again, blowing smoke up everyone's ass. You know it, I know it, and in time Bryan and Greeds will know it. Disagree with her all you want, but do not get personal with her. She has a lot of friends here....and she's simply doing her job.
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Time for an apology mate....and quick.
You crossed the line here.
I've known Debbee for many many years and spoken to her on the phone several times, and can assure you she is the polar opposite of what you suggest.
Whilst one might conclude she's trying to make a silk purse of sorts out of a pig's ear, there is no doubt in my mind that her motives are absolutely pure and certainly not about personal gain.
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With a name like MisterBJ, it's not a great idea to go around assuming people's usernames relate to their activities, actions and moral fibre
You're entitled to your opinions on Virtual but insulting other members in the process breaks the forum rules. I've referred this to CM and stuck you in moderation until he gets back on Tuesday.
I cannot remember such a polarizing topic as this in quite some time.
I am still at odds with the decision to even entertain a change in position with this group after all the years of negative issues , slow/no pays, crazy bonuses, harassed players, spammed/called players with no way of getting them to stop......this list goes on and on.
I have one question, what is the net benefit to put the integrity of this forum on the line yet again?
I am still at odds with the decision to even entertain a change in position with this group after all the years of negative issues , slow/no pays, crazy bonuses, harassed players, spammed/called players with no way of getting them to stop......this list goes on and on.
I have one question, what is the net benefit to put the integrity of this forum on the line yet again?
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I have the opposite view.
In order for Casinomeister (and in particular, the Rogue List) to maintain it's credibility it MUST be seen to be fair and unbiased.
Casinos CAN and do change and it is only right that they be given the chance from time to time to prove they can better themselves and get themselves off the Rogue or Not Recommended lists.
I trust CM implicitly and I know that at the end of this process he WILL make the right decision. The BEST outcome these group can expect is to be moved to the Not Recommended list - hardly a ringing endorsement to start the players flooding in!
The personal stuff about GreedyGirl is WAY out of line. I have met her in person on numerous occasions and she is a very warm, honest and sincere person. To suggest that her actions may in any way be influenced by $ is totally ludicrous.
(I believe her name came from her being quite a large lady who likes good food - nothing at all to do with monetary greed).
KK
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With a name like MisterBJ, it's not a great idea to go around assuming people's usernames relate to their activities, actions and moral fibre
I was thinking the same thing.Anyhow it's not like these groups are getting a free pass and it's not like it's a huge step from 'rogue' to 'not recommended' even if they DO pass this probationary period.
I think this thread has pretty well run its course really. Most of us are skeptical of the motives and sincerity of the casino management, and most of the people who have responded here don't play at these casinos and won't, and probably don't agree with Bryan's decision to give them another chance. Fair enough.
But there's been nothing posted here by anyone who has played there recently - I know there are complaints on other forums, but those players need to come HERE and do a PAB. I think that if anyone sees a recent complaint they should contact the player and tell them to do that. And anyone who has a site, put up a notice to tell players if they're owed money to join casinomeister and PAB.
Perhaps another thread could be started for ONLY the people who are playing at those casinos, with a big sticky post at the top by Bryan that says that the 'one free shot' rule will be waived for the six months of probation with a link to the PAB form. And only the people who play at those casinos and are getting jerked around or are owed money from the past should be posting there.
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I actually like the idea of a thread from any members that do and are playing at these casinos to see how they are being treated with withdrawals, bonuses etc...and how long they have been playing at this group. The length of time a player has been a member without a hitch would definitely be of help.
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greedygirl
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I’m frustrated by some of the assertions being made, but not really surprised, either. I’ve stated ad nauseum that there are MILES of road to be travelled for things to be wholly acceptable with Virtual and Ace. Again, no one is endorsing them.
I’d like to set the record straight: When I first told Bryan I was going to take a stab at doing whatever possible to clean these brands up, he thought I’d lost my mind. He opted to have no part in my endeavors on this and his ONLY involvement has been in agreeing to re-open PAB’s for these brands, two years ago.
It was MY request that Bryan entertain the notion of pulling these companies from Rogue into Probation. This was NOT requested as any sort of attempt to gain a favored listing at Casinomeister. The reason behind this is that I was hoping to see a fresh discussion on the topic of these brands. By doing this, these brands would firstly, recognize that they have only begun to scratch the surface on what needs correcting and secondly, it would hold their feet to the fire. Either they’ll rise to the occasion or they won’t.
I’ve already stated this, but I suppose it bears repeating again: Whether I’m involved or not, these companies are going to continue to operate. IF it is possible to fuel their conscience’s to improve, does it not make sense to make every attempt to do so? Or just walk away and continue to let them operate as they have? If I (or anyone else) can help to make these companies straighten out, is it not worth the effort?
My goal has been the same since the first moment I agreed to become involved and that is to get players paid and see these folks do the right thing. I know my intentions are as they should be—those who know me, know this about me, as well. I don’t regret my decision to do so and I’ll continue with this until I see either a complete refusal to improve or the complete turnaround. My only regret in this was to ask Bryan to move these brands into Probation. I don’t regret my reasoning behind it, but I regret that Bryan is now suffering the attacks which should really be launched against me, if they’re to be launched at anyone.
Ah, KK…you were doing so well until the last bit of your post!
I know it’s been a while since you’ve last seen me, but I’m literally half the woman I used to be. I’m not to the point of thin just yet (getting close, though), but I don’t believe you’ll be calling me ‘quite a large lady’ any longer.
As to the ‘greedygirl’ moniker, it was created in reaction to something a former GoneGambling member had posted about me, nearly 14 years ago. I used to have the username, ‘Debster’, but a member with a massive attitude made a comment, calling me a ‘greedy girl’ in response to the fact that I’d won a tournament, edging her out. People began calling me ‘greedygirl’ and when GG lost its database and members had to re-register, as a joke, I decided to abandon ‘Debster’ for ‘greedygirl.’ Sorry, but it has nothing to do with greed, or food for that matter.
Sorry—completely off-topic, but I AM a woman, after all and sensitive about this stuff!
I’d like to set the record straight: When I first told Bryan I was going to take a stab at doing whatever possible to clean these brands up, he thought I’d lost my mind. He opted to have no part in my endeavors on this and his ONLY involvement has been in agreeing to re-open PAB’s for these brands, two years ago.
It was MY request that Bryan entertain the notion of pulling these companies from Rogue into Probation. This was NOT requested as any sort of attempt to gain a favored listing at Casinomeister. The reason behind this is that I was hoping to see a fresh discussion on the topic of these brands. By doing this, these brands would firstly, recognize that they have only begun to scratch the surface on what needs correcting and secondly, it would hold their feet to the fire. Either they’ll rise to the occasion or they won’t.
I’ve already stated this, but I suppose it bears repeating again: Whether I’m involved or not, these companies are going to continue to operate. IF it is possible to fuel their conscience’s to improve, does it not make sense to make every attempt to do so? Or just walk away and continue to let them operate as they have? If I (or anyone else) can help to make these companies straighten out, is it not worth the effort?
My goal has been the same since the first moment I agreed to become involved and that is to get players paid and see these folks do the right thing. I know my intentions are as they should be—those who know me, know this about me, as well. I don’t regret my decision to do so and I’ll continue with this until I see either a complete refusal to improve or the complete turnaround. My only regret in this was to ask Bryan to move these brands into Probation. I don’t regret my reasoning behind it, but I regret that Bryan is now suffering the attacks which should really be launched against me, if they’re to be launched at anyone.
Ah, KK…you were doing so well until the last bit of your post!
I know it’s been a while since you’ve last seen me, but I’m literally half the woman I used to be. I’m not to the point of thin just yet (getting close, though), but I don’t believe you’ll be calling me ‘quite a large lady’ any longer.
As to the ‘greedygirl’ moniker, it was created in reaction to something a former GoneGambling member had posted about me, nearly 14 years ago. I used to have the username, ‘Debster’, but a member with a massive attitude made a comment, calling me a ‘greedy girl’ in response to the fact that I’d won a tournament, edging her out. People began calling me ‘greedygirl’ and when GG lost its database and members had to re-register, as a joke, I decided to abandon ‘Debster’ for ‘greedygirl.’ Sorry, but it has nothing to do with greed, or food for that matter.
Sorry—completely off-topic, but I AM a woman, after all and sensitive about this stuff!
this is/was/ a emotional thread to say the least with all levels of the chain of command ringing in .
at the end of the day it realy would be a better world if the group in mention came clean , what we should be asking is what
they could do to show there intentions are above board , I for one would like them to submit a tru list of un resolved complaints they intend to fix
R C
at the end of the day it realy would be a better world if the group in mention came clean , what we should be asking is what
they could do to show there intentions are above board , I for one would like them to submit a tru list of un resolved complaints they intend to fix
R C
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I did see a few posts with heated comments not just one. I do agree with Greedygirl that maybe this group can be rehabilitated,but what do i know? I haven't been around for 10 or more years. I think the forum is being fair IMHO and if they screw up again then they will be thrown back into the pit.
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Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for quite some time, this is however my first post.
I actually registered an account to be able to post here. I have quite a bit of experience with online casinos, as a player mostly.
I do not work for any casino, no one sent me here.
Like many people, I was surprised to read this thread and that the forum was putting this casino group on probation after so many horrible stories we all read.
Let me start by telling you my personal experience: I cashed out a little more than $10000 around 2008 from this group. It took some time but in the end, I got paid. Everyone told me at that time that I would never get paid.
I have the feeling that some, not all, problems arise from confusing bonus terms with those casinos...
Anyway, after reading the thread, I decided to give it a shot.
I went to live chat to make sure my account was in good standing.
The rep was polite and helpful. I learned the hard way to be cautious, so I asked if it was ok to play since I had moved a couple years back and hadn't updated my account. He said that was ok and I had to sent my documents. He also said that it was ok to start playing in the meantime.
His only surprising remark, was that I was considered a professional player and therefore I was welcome to play with my own money but not with any free casino money (quote). I do have a copy of the chat.
So...I deposited $100 at one of the casino, with no bonus, obviously. After a few minutes of playing I had a balance over $2000.
I went back to live chat to inquire about the fees, and was told the casino was covering any withdrawal fee.
I proceeded to cashout, and asked for a check. Shortly after I sent in my documents as required. On a side note, they ask you to make an imprint of any credit card used with a pencil on the faxback form...uh... that's tricky, and I can very well see that being used as an excuse, because it is hard to obtain a clear imprint!!
So here we are ladies and gentlemen, I am your guinea pig...I am not giving any details on purpose, to see how my cash out is processed without any intervention.
I am curious to see if I am going to get paid and what the time frame is going to be. I thought I d post my story, and I will keep you updated, positive or negative outcome, hopefully my experience will be helpful to members and to the forum
I have been following this forum for quite some time, this is however my first post.
I actually registered an account to be able to post here. I have quite a bit of experience with online casinos, as a player mostly.
I do not work for any casino, no one sent me here.
Like many people, I was surprised to read this thread and that the forum was putting this casino group on probation after so many horrible stories we all read.
Let me start by telling you my personal experience: I cashed out a little more than $10000 around 2008 from this group. It took some time but in the end, I got paid. Everyone told me at that time that I would never get paid.
I have the feeling that some, not all, problems arise from confusing bonus terms with those casinos...
Anyway, after reading the thread, I decided to give it a shot.
I went to live chat to make sure my account was in good standing.
The rep was polite and helpful. I learned the hard way to be cautious, so I asked if it was ok to play since I had moved a couple years back and hadn't updated my account. He said that was ok and I had to sent my documents. He also said that it was ok to start playing in the meantime.
His only surprising remark, was that I was considered a professional player and therefore I was welcome to play with my own money but not with any free casino money (quote). I do have a copy of the chat.
So...I deposited $100 at one of the casino, with no bonus, obviously. After a few minutes of playing I had a balance over $2000.
I went back to live chat to inquire about the fees, and was told the casino was covering any withdrawal fee.
I proceeded to cashout, and asked for a check. Shortly after I sent in my documents as required. On a side note, they ask you to make an imprint of any credit card used with a pencil on the faxback form...uh... that's tricky, and I can very well see that being used as an excuse, because it is hard to obtain a clear imprint!!
So here we are ladies and gentlemen, I am your guinea pig...I am not giving any details on purpose, to see how my cash out is processed without any intervention.
I am curious to see if I am going to get paid and what the time frame is going to be. I thought I d post my story, and I will keep you updated, positive or negative outcome, hopefully my experience will be helpful to members and to the forum
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well, see here's the problem. With being your first post, new account, and not a member in good standing, noone knows if youre simply shilling for the casino - I'm not at all saying that's the case here, but I don't know that it will help any members feel any better or just more skeptical
Yes unfortunately your first post and you decided to name yourself guineypig. Watching this thread , name themselves guiney pig, then go make a deposit at the rogues? Am I reading into it too much? Either way with this public scrutiny and these groups toasting champagne daily over the fact that CM has a very active thread with their name in it, I am sure miraculously you will be paid quickly.
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It's one thing to ask questions about someone's motives, it's an entirely different thing to make unfounded accusations and childish insults. Does your handle, MisterBJ, mean you like giving blow jobs to "Mister" or some variation thereon? Probably not and I doubt you'd appreciate the reference. Same goes for others.
Please do not insult your fellow forum members, especially not with schoolyard-level crap like this. Infraction levied.
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I know, that's why I tried to make my comment sound past-tense (using "came" instead of "comes").
I did notice in February that you've been shedding the pounds and I hope that next Feb you will share your secret with me!
KK
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This thread seems to have opened some old wounds I for one have been done in when i was new to online gaming. Cant remember which casino from that group but i won on a freechip,so i was spinning for enjoyment because my balance was up to over 30,000. In the middle of a spin the money was removed and i played my money on max beat. As soon as i realized this i contacted the casino who sad tough and ended chat. That was years ago. I feel because of the things casinomiester put into place and the fact that we have a vote should end the needless comments especially when it can cause hurt feelings. I for one have always tried to keep my cool when posting and to always remember that even the people in cyber-space have feelings to. In the end (IMO) if i dont like a post instead of posting something hurtful or negative i wont post at all. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is an open forum but please keep in mind how this would make you feel if the shoe was on the other foot. I have known some of you guys longer then others but i would never knowingly post anything hurtful no matter what my reasons would be.
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hi all ive nothing yet to say here on the subject but i am willing to join any of the casinos listed if anybody would like to point to there best casino , i shall indeed deposit play withdraw & state my own findings here , this way we can have a old member check it out , im no rep for anyone but can afford to chuck a 50 bucks at one )
trioval88
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Bad Experience
I for one will never deposit with the Virtual Casino Group again. Way back when I first started online gaming, and being the noob that I was, I deposited with CoolCat. The experience I had with customer service left a bad taste in my mouth that is still there. I can't get rid of the taste but I can get rid of them. I wish luck to anyone who plays there.
I for one will never deposit with the Virtual Casino Group again. Way back when I first started online gaming, and being the noob that I was, I deposited with CoolCat. The experience I had with customer service left a bad taste in my mouth that is still there. I can't get rid of the taste but I can get rid of them. I wish luck to anyone who plays there.
hi all ive nothing yet to say here on the subject but i am willing to join any of the casinos listed if anybody would like to point to there best casino , i shall indeed deposit play withdraw & state my own findings here , this way we can have a old member check it out , im no rep for anyone but can afford to chuck a 50 bucks at one )
Thanks for taking one for the team. I wouldnt advise to do it, but if you really wanted to do it you would need to make sure that you do not post anymore here or make any contact with the reps. And when I say dont post I mean dont post about what is going on with your process.
If they see you posting it could influence the outcome. You would need to go through the process anonymously, then let us know the end result.
trioval88
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BTW
By the way, I consider SilverOak Casino the worst with CoolCat running a close second.
By the way, I consider SilverOak Casino the worst with CoolCat running a close second.
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That is very true, I now realize I have zero credibility and my experience might not be very helpful...
Well, I did this deposit really as a guinea pig... thus the user name.
If a moderator wants to check my identity, I will gladly do so via PM to show I am legit.
I came here anonymous on purpose, If I scream my name or username at the casino and get paid, how good is the experiment?
Now, it starts as I expected. No email acknowledgment that they received my documents, where at any accredited casino, you pretty much get an email within 24 hours. I don't think it will go as smooth as many would assume given their probation status and their theoretical will to be an A student for a few months...
To be continued
Are you saying you deposited and won and now trying to withdraw?
So do you believe have been successful in being completely anonymous?
I don't believe there is anything smooth about there process. There terms still have not changed much, which I believe will be for a first time withdrawer is 10-15 biz days for approval then 10 biz days for processing, so basically its still 30 days. Im sure they can be very smooth with a very cool and groovy 30 day wait, what a bargain!!!!!
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Holy hell, I thought sending scans of your credit cards was old school! They want IMPRINTS?
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Ha! POC and Coolcat have been sending me welcome back offers recently so maybe I shall test them out when they least expect it.
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In my personal opinion, the Virtual Casino Group and Ace Revenue should have made significant improvements before putting them on probation. I.e. "Hi Bryan, we did this and that, the following things were improved, please review and tell us what do you think, can we be put on probation please-please-please!!! :baby:"
I got a players card [loaded in house type black looking cc non reloadable] there was a place to select it at slot madness
so nothing ventured [AND
nothing gained like no win] then I got a follow up call from frank it doesent bother me if they call but I do respect others opinion on that
just giving reports R C
so nothing ventured [AND
nothing gained like no win] then I got a follow up call from frank it doesent bother me if they call but I do respect others opinion on that just giving reports R C
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Yes, I did deposit and requested a cashout.
I believe I stayed anonymous by not giving any accurate detail here.
When I said smooth... I meant receive a check without having to contact a rep, an aff manager or have someone here intervene. I will be happy if I get paid in 30 days. That would just mean they respect their own rules.
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Sorry but whatever you will say in this thread I will doubt that it's true.
You seem to know a little too much about, well everything, to be an honest guine pig.
I can't even see your reasons for trying. To help them or the people who maybe wants to try them later?
No I won't buy it sorry.
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I absolutely understand your suspicion. As I said, I will gladly provide evidence of who I am in PM, if I am sure the person who PMs me is legit and will not compromise my identity... But hey, you know what, I am going to look so legit when they refuse to pay me in 3 months, then no one will doubt anymore...
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Seems kind of stupid since we know that they are paying all legit player these days, with delays, but they pay.
I'm more interested in making them change the things we don't like about them.
Verified through a pm wouldn't mean anything either.
I just wanted to tell my view. I'm sure some do believe in you.
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Could this just be them grudgingly accepting that "party time" is nearly over for them with the prospect of legitimate online gambling for the US, and having to get a license, pay 15% tax, and lodge a security with the UKGC if they want to carry on accepting bets from UK players (legitimately).
I can understand why US players play there, they do not have the option to play at many of the respectable venues as they have long since pulled out of the US. US players are stuck with RTG, Top Game, and Rival, with a few other softwares thrown in that simply don't have the long term track record of the industry stalwarts.
Payment in 14 days is not uncommon for US players either, but it most certainly IS unacceptable for non US players where many feel that 48 hours is too long. If they lose their US players, they will struggle to expand their UK and EU player base if they stick to their old ways of delayed payments and inventive excuses for voiding winnings.
I suspect this has nothing to do with a moral awakening, but more to do with protecting their bottom line in a rapidly changing industry.
In the past, they have been very good at selective payment, thus treating players that lose well, whilst screwing over those players that win big, and who may not come back in any case. It's the big winners, even those who got their win purely by luck (such as a random jackpot), that get the bad treatment, delays, and excuses. Often, they are considered "professional players" simply for having a run of luck, even if they have been consistent earners for the casino beforehand. This label then means they get third rate treatment if they decide to give the casino a chance to win back the money, so instead it seems they aim to impose a torturous withdrawal process in the hope that the player will lose much of the money back before they find out they are not really that welcome any more.
They have managed to get away with this for years because Costa Rica offers no protection whatsoever to players, and CDS is a toothless body that is likely to be under pressure to side with RTG's biggest earner in any dispute.
It's going to take something drastic to rehabilitate this group:-
1) New management
2) New ownership, or at least removal of the controlling stake of the old rogue owners.
3) Movement to a jurisdiction that has a proper player protection ethos, and Kahnawake would seem best placed for this.
A move to Kahnawake alone may even be enough to allow rehabilitation under the existing management and ownership, with players being able to have confidence that the Kahnawake regime would be enough to protect them from the rogue behaviour for which this group has been well known.
As for a guinea pig test, it is going to take a long standing member of the forum to suddenly take leave of their senses to register and deposit, but hang on to enough sanity to produce a proper balanced report of their experience.
They would also do all of this BEFORE breathing a single word to ANYONE, so that there was no way for the casino people to try and second guess the "mystery shopper" so that they can ensure they get the experience that will lead to a positive review in the forum.
I can understand why US players play there, they do not have the option to play at many of the respectable venues as they have long since pulled out of the US. US players are stuck with RTG, Top Game, and Rival, with a few other softwares thrown in that simply don't have the long term track record of the industry stalwarts.
Payment in 14 days is not uncommon for US players either, but it most certainly IS unacceptable for non US players where many feel that 48 hours is too long. If they lose their US players, they will struggle to expand their UK and EU player base if they stick to their old ways of delayed payments and inventive excuses for voiding winnings.
I suspect this has nothing to do with a moral awakening, but more to do with protecting their bottom line in a rapidly changing industry.
In the past, they have been very good at selective payment, thus treating players that lose well, whilst screwing over those players that win big, and who may not come back in any case. It's the big winners, even those who got their win purely by luck (such as a random jackpot), that get the bad treatment, delays, and excuses. Often, they are considered "professional players" simply for having a run of luck, even if they have been consistent earners for the casino beforehand. This label then means they get third rate treatment if they decide to give the casino a chance to win back the money, so instead it seems they aim to impose a torturous withdrawal process in the hope that the player will lose much of the money back before they find out they are not really that welcome any more.
They have managed to get away with this for years because Costa Rica offers no protection whatsoever to players, and CDS is a toothless body that is likely to be under pressure to side with RTG's biggest earner in any dispute.
It's going to take something drastic to rehabilitate this group:-
1) New management
2) New ownership, or at least removal of the controlling stake of the old rogue owners.
3) Movement to a jurisdiction that has a proper player protection ethos, and Kahnawake would seem best placed for this.
A move to Kahnawake alone may even be enough to allow rehabilitation under the existing management and ownership, with players being able to have confidence that the Kahnawake regime would be enough to protect them from the rogue behaviour for which this group has been well known.
As for a guinea pig test, it is going to take a long standing member of the forum to suddenly take leave of their senses to register and deposit, but hang on to enough sanity to produce a proper balanced report of their experience.
They would also do all of this BEFORE breathing a single word to ANYONE, so that there was no way for the casino people to try and second guess the "mystery shopper" so that they can ensure they get the experience that will lead to a positive review in the forum.
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Very informative, and I agree with everything.
I can think of 4-5 RTG casinos who accept US players and who pay within 48-72 hours. The problem is that lately, there have been more and more deposit issues for US players.
I ll answer a previous question as why I did try to deposit at this group... I cant deposit at the accredited casino I usually play at for the time beeing.
You are right, I could have come after the fact and say, yeah I got paid after 30 days. But honestly in the back of my mind I know it is not going to go smooth and as you mention, I am going to have the 3rd class treatment. I even think they might not pay at all after finding some crazy excuse.
You'd be happy to get paid in 30days
, well good news, there are endless choices of casinos for you to play at.
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You'd be happy to get paid in 30days
30 business days so maybe some time after the first of the year. You can make your New years resolution now to find a better place to play.
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You'd be happy to get paid in 30days
As opposed to not getting paid at all...
Are 30 days acceptable? No. Is there a better place to play? Yes!
The #1 question for me now, is, am I going to get paid? The rest, we already know .
I just read their rules on comp points, it is scary. If you haven't done so, I suggest you take a look.
gagamel
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This is a ON PROBATION? No, it`s not. No one in this community will play there. There is so much hate around for this group. And I can understand the bad feelings. But if nobody plays there (just one person, a newbie) after more than 170 answers inside this thread, what will be the result? I don`t know, maybe someone give me a reason to try out this group or someone can tell me why this "On Probation" is still alive. There are so much unsolved issues here and I don`t know how they can be solved inside this forum.
Greetings from Switzerland
Greetings from Switzerland
gagamel
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And one question to Greedygirl:
You needed 4 years for babysteps, mmmh. I had a leading position in a hospital 2 years ago. My budget was 1.5 million euros. My mission was to optimize the relation between income and outcome. I needed 3 month to do my job and all was fine and then I made a new job. My question is: What steps are you doing and why did you need 4 years for small steps?
Thank you for your answer
Greetings
You needed 4 years for babysteps, mmmh. I had a leading position in a hospital 2 years ago. My budget was 1.5 million euros. My mission was to optimize the relation between income and outcome. I needed 3 month to do my job and all was fine and then I made a new job. My question is: What steps are you doing and why did you need 4 years for small steps?
Thank you for your answer
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I have to agree, that this can i no way be a valid test of this group.
No one in their right mind would sign up and play with them, so in essence they'll just slide through the probation period with few to no complaints. I have a very hard time seeing the value of this, and in my view they simply blew it years ago.
You only get so many chances to prove yourself, and I think they spent theirs.
Edit: Just to add... a quick glimpse at their pay out policies and T&C's makes me wonder what on earth even brought this on. There are NO sign that they have changed or will change imo, and to tell you the truth ...MY money is still not going anywhere near them, not even as a "test".
No one in their right mind would sign up and play with them, so in essence they'll just slide through the probation period with few to no complaints. I have a very hard time seeing the value of this, and in my view they simply blew it years ago.
You only get so many chances to prove yourself, and I think they spent theirs.
Edit: Just to add... a quick glimpse at their pay out policies and T&C's makes me wonder what on earth even brought this on. There are NO sign that they have changed or will change imo, and to tell you the truth ...MY money is still not going anywhere near them, not even as a "test".
swampwitch
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- Nov 20, 2002
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- Iowa, dammit.
Don't worry. Sooner or later a new "Virtual Danny" will come on board to answer our concerns...who will turn out to have a very thin skin, make excuses, point out that there aren't any complaints here so we need to just shut up, try to bribe certain key affiliates, whine, cry, and ultimately hurl insults and threats of violence to the point of being banned. The process will shut down, and in 3 or 4 years it will start all over.
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It will only be a valid test if I encounter problems.
If others are willing to give it a try with $25 or $50 for the cause and we are many players, then results will be more significant.
It does have a familiar ring, doesn't it!
The more I read guineypig's posts the more suspicious I become, because it seems to me that he (or she) doth protest too much and is perhaps setting the scene for one of those "Oh Boy, I was so wrong about this group - they paid on time and I have to say that I was wrong in my expectations of hassles....etc." posts.
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- Edmonton Canada
Unfortunately we're going to have this problem because we're all so jaded when it comes to the promises of reform from these guys. If a new player signs up and complains about any of the casinos in these groups we'll believe them, but anyone who says they're not so bad we'll suspect is a shill.
I have sent gwages pm:s and he's not responding. I know he hasn't been online for five days but he received my messages before that. I think that a casino group on probation should have an active rep, in the beginning it was talk about 30 days probation...then five days or no responding is quite bad. Maybe he has a good excuse and in that case I apologize.
JMHO Having an active forum Rep is essential to the credibility of this probationary period, it does seem strange that a casino Group would want to put it's case in front of Thousands of CM members without official representation.
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Personally think that they deserve a new chance. If people been paid and the group been communicating then i see no reason why they couldn't get out of rogue.
bigjohn
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It has been demonstrated earlier in this thread, all you have to do is look outside of CM and you will still find many unresolved complaints.
IMPO, if Bryan wants them out of the pit he should remove them from the pit. If he is going to leave it up to the members for a vote he might as well close this thread now, I can't see that vote going positive for Virtual.
The members here are concerned about preserving the integrity of this site.
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