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Hi all,

I've installed the Slotocash software and am ready to make my first deposit. Not had much love for RTG in the past (indeed I stopped playing at RTG casinos years ago) but Slotocash are accredited here at CM, have an active rep and feedback in general seems to be good so thought I'd have a punt.

It's going to be bonus play for me at this casino so obviously it's important to choose the right bonus as you can only have one at a time and most choices preclude the opportunity to try other bonuses later on, the choices can be found here:

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KasinoKing has already crunched the numbers here -
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- which takes a lot of the calculator work out of it, but I'm still bemused by a few things (this includes the RTP question).

1) Anyone know why the 'real series' slots are excluded from this promotion? Are they higher paying or something? Old / Expired Link This would be my bonus of choice except it effectively bars playing on the vast majority of slots (rather strange for a slots bonus.....).

Also, here it says that the WR is 20xD Old / Expired Link, but here it says that the WR for the same bonus is 20xD+B, big difference! Old / Expired Link

Which WR is correct?

2) What RTP do the slots run to? CM lists '95-97' on his accredited list, but I've gone into a few of the games and I can't find any RTP information in the game help files or on the paytables, and I can't find anything on the Slotocash site either. Also, do RTG have different maths models that casinos can choose from?

3) There doesn't appear to be any bonus that allows play on progressive slots (penalties vary from getting all wins voided to not contributing to the WR). Is there a good reason for this? Surely the chances of hitting a progressive are so small as to not make much difference in the grand scheme of things?

Any help appreciated :)
 

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Hi ChopleyIOM

First off thank you for considering joining Sloto'Cash and I am happy to answer your questions.

With regards to the Alternative Slots Bonus, the wagering is 20xD+B and I will update this error. This bonus was introduced with low wagering for those who enjoy 3 line slots and alternative games such as scratchcards and keno, Real series are excluded due to low wagering of the bonus and the available high variance games.

Our expected RTP is 95% over all games. Over time the game will payout 95% but the actual rate fluctuates per individual gaming session which is why some players win and some loose.

RTG do not publish the RTP in the game help files and as yet we do not get our monthly payout % audited by a 3rd party which is why this is not stated on our website.

The reason we do not allow progressive slots with bonus play is because each spin contributes a % to the jackpots and bonus money is included so we choose to exclude from bonuses.

Best Regards

Ms Sloto
 

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I invite you to take a look in the screenshots that suck thread, and see how many posts you can find, where people hit a progressive jackpot on a bonus, and where the RTG casino pocket these wins (Not just Sloto...)..I'm sure we don't get to see them all. I know I wouldn't post one, because I would feel SO stupid, playing on a bonus, with high playthrough, just to see the casino pocket my winnings.
THAT is the main reason I don't play RTG any more.

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I invite you to take a look in the screenshots that suck thread, and see how many posts you can find, where people hit a progressive jackpot on a bonus, and where the RTG casino pocket these wins (Not just Sloto...)..I'm sure we don't get to see them all. I know I wouldn't post one, because I would feel SO stupid, playing on a bonus, with high playthrough, just to see the casino pocket my winnings.
THAT is the main reason I don't play RTG any more.
I think you may be getting a Progressive Jackpot confused with a Random Jackpot.
Most (all?) Real Series Slots have a Random Jackpot - these CAN be played with bonus funds.
Only a handful of games have Progressive Jackpots (MUCH bigger) - these are the slots you can't (usually) play when playing a bonus.

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2) What RTP do the slots run to? CM lists '95-97' on his accredited list, but I've gone into a few of the games and I can't find any RTP information in the game help files or on the paytables, and I can't find anything on the Slotocash site either. Also, do RTG have different maths models that casinos can choose from?
Yes, there are up to 3 options for each slot.
The lowest was 91% - but CM has stated in the past that he was told this is not used by online casinos.
The mid-range was 94 or 95%
The high end was 97.5%
At one time this info was available online - but it got pulled about 2 years ago. (That's why I say "was" and not "is" - they may have changed since then)
However, I did get a look at this info and I have listed these RTPs on the RTG page of my SlotBeaters.com website.

One other thing to take into account, is that up to 1.5% of the RTP goes into the Random Jackpots.
(Not hit one myself yet...:()

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Yes, there are up to 3 options for each slot.
The lowest was 91% - but CM has stated in the past that he was told this is not used by online casinos.
The mid-range was 94 or 95%
The high end was 97.5%

Why do you continue to spread misinformation? This information is wrong. As I have pointed out a couple of times before, SlotoCash runs at least one of their slots (Fruit Frenzy) at 91%. I think it's only reasonable to think that most of their slots are set at 91%.
 

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I stand corrected ;)

What I was thinking about, was playing a ND bonus, and not a deposit bonus.
When playing a ND bonus, random jackpots won't be paid. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks KK for clearing it up.

I think you may be getting a Progressive Jackpot confused with a Random Jackpot.
Most (all?) Real Series Slots have a Random Jackpot - these CAN be played with bonus funds.
Only a handful of games have Progressive Jackpots (MUCH bigger) - these are the slots you can't (usually) play when playing a bonus.

KK
 

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Why do you continue to spread misinformation? This information is wrong. As I have pointed out a couple of times before, SlotoCash runs at least one of their slots (Fruit Frenzy) at 91%. I think it's only reasonable to think that most of their slots are set at 91%.

I would say that he is spreading the information Bryan has been getting from the casinos. It would sound nicer if you blamed Bryan for spreading misinformation to us that he has been getting.
We don't know what the settings are, but you just said that it's resonable to think that Sloto was lying in the post she made earlier in this very thread.
I have to assume that an accredited casino is not lying about something like that.
 

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Why do you continue to spread misinformation? This information is wrong. As I have pointed out a couple of times before, SlotoCash runs at least one of their slots (Fruit Frenzy) at 91%. I think it's only reasonable to think that most of their slots are set at 91%.

Read this!

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-and-rtp-the-official-word.38348/

KK did not spread misinformation, CM has stated that he has been told that this is not used by online casinos.

BTW, I am fully aware of the Fruit Frenzy-thing and I think you are right there.
 

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Why do you continue to spread misinformation? This information is wrong. As I have pointed out a couple of times before, SlotoCash runs at least one of their slots (Fruit Frenzy) at 91%. I think it's only reasonable to think that most of their slots are set at 91%.
As others had said above, I myself have never stated which RPT version any casinos are running.
That's because I honestly don't know.
You are entitled to assume anything you like, but in my experience assuming is a dangerous game...

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We don't know what the settings are, but you just said that it's resonable to think that Sloto was lying in the post she made earlier in this very thread.
I have to assume that an accredited casino is not lying about something like that.

We do know what the setting for one slot is, we have that straight from the horses mouth, from the person who made the slot, and it is 91%. I find it extremely doubtful that this setting is limited to one slot.

Also, please note that Sloto rep said "our expected RTP is 95% over all games". Obviously "all games" include table games and video poker, and those games pay out more than 95%. This could well bring the average to 95%, even when many of the slots have the 91% RTP.
 

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We do know what the setting for one slot is, we have that straight from the horses mouth, from the person who made the slot, and it is 91%. I find it extremely doubtful that this setting is limited to one slot.

Also, please note that Sloto rep said "our expected RTP is 95% over all games". Obviously "all games" include table games and video poker, and those games pay out more than 95%. This could well bring the average to 95%, even when many of the slots have the 91% RTP.

I totally agree with you here and I don't want to play at a casino that has that game set at 91%, but that doesn't make neither KK, Bryan or Sloto a lier, and that was what I reacted on when you made the last post.
 

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I totally agree with you here and I don't want to play at a casino that has that game set at 91%, but that doesn't make neither KK, Bryan or Sloto a lier, and that was what I reacted on when you made the last post.

I didn't call anyone a liar. KasinoKing is spreading misinformation because he says the Casinomeister has said the 91% setting is not used by online casinos. The Casinomeister has never said that, to my knowledge. He's said the the 91% setting was primarily developed for asian kiosks, which is very different statement from saying it's not used online.

KasinoKing gave the impression that 91% is not used online, when he knows for a fact that the opposite is true.
 

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I didn't call anyone a liar. KasinoKing is spreading misinformation because he says the Casinomeister has said the 91% setting is not used by online casinos. The Casinomeister has never said that, to my knowledge. He's said the the 91% setting was primarily developed for asian kiosks, which is very different statement from saying it's not used online.

KasinoKing gave the impression that 91% is not used online, when he knows for a fact that the opposite is true.

I dont think for a second that KK was trying to mislead. The 91% settings are rarely used online. Frankly they dont need to when the 95% version will wear you out with the ridiculous (d+b) playthrough on bonuses. Any casinos or groups that use the 91% settings are likely to lose a lot of customers in the long run as players are pretty smart nowadays.

My gut feeling is that Slotocash/Desert Nights and the Win Palace Group have a lower setting than say Inetbet, Club World and Jackpot Capital. Nope, no evidence whatsoever just a gut feeling.
 

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Thanks for all the replies, very helpful :)

So in summary then (I also read the thread linked where CM reports what he was told by an RTG about their slots' expected RTP and maths models).

1) RTG have a 97%, 95% and 91.5% RTP setting for their slots, the 97% setting appears to have been phased out in the last couple of years and the 91.5% setting isn't 'intended' for use online but it can be.

2) Slotocash do have at least one 91.5% RTP slot on their casino.

3) Expected RTP across ALL GAMES at Slotocash is 95%, which as correctly identified above suggests that the 98-99% RTP of table games, pokers and blackjacks is compensating for lower RTP slots in that figure.

4) Slotocash do not have any audited payout figures to show us.

That's too many unanswered questions in my book, given the hefty D+B WRs on the bonuses and the uncertainty around the RTP of the slots at Slotocash, I'm not prepared to risk any money playing there, unless we can get an answer to the following question.

Ms Sloto - Are you able to tell us which RTG maths model you are running on your slots at Slotocash? Is it any and/or all of the 97%, 95% or 91.5% settings? If you are running different maths models on different slots, is there any way for the player to find out what slot is running which model?

Or in simpler terms, what is the RTP of your SLOTS games and not an 'all games' RTP that just lumps everything in together?

Thanks :)
 
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[nit-pick mode]
1) RTG have a 97%, 95% and 91.5% RTP setting for their slots...
No they don't.
They have (or had) 97.5%, 95%, 94% and 91%.

I am only pointing this out because MsSloto could post here that NONE of their slots are set to 91.5% - and that would be true since that is not one of the options!
[/nit-pick mode]

KK
 

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[nit-pick mode]

No they don't.
They have (or had) 97.5%, 95%, 94% and 91%.

I am only pointing this out because MsSloto could post here that NONE of their slots are set to 91.5% - and that would be true since that is not one of the options!
[/nit-pick mode]

KK

Fair enough :)

However, I think it's pretty obvious that the basic question is just 'Can you please tell us what the RTP of your slots is?' irrespective of 0.5% here and there on quoted maths models, but I have added in a specific question to my previous post nonetheless.
 

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If you get a steaight answer, you will have achieved what noone has been able to achieve from any RTG casino to this date, and I'll salute you, AND eat my old knitted hat !
 

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If you get a steaight answer, you will have achieved what noone has been able to achieve from any RTG casino to this date, and I'll salute you, AND eat my old knitted hat !

Forgive my ignorance here, because I have basically ignored Playtech and RTG casinos for the last four years after having had a couple of bad experiences with withdrawals, but how on earth can casinos operate and be accredited if they can't/won't release something as fundamental as the RTP of the slots they're running?

MG are bad enough with their '95% for all slots' statement, but at least it's something tangible that gets audited and they do split out the various game categories into separate RTPs.

I'm very much a 'glass is half full' person so I remain optimistic that Ms Sloto will be able to inform its playerbase (both current and potential) here at CM which RTG maths model Slotocash has chosen for their slots :)
 

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Sloto cash and other RTG

For the most part I have quit playing at all Rtg based casinos .
The w/r to me was unreasonable and then if you look real close in the fine print or at least it was there is a line something like this
"No random jackpot win can be won bigger than the deposit made". Now,does that mean overall deposits or does it mean deposits for that day week month
I have not been able to get an answer to that and then you add that you can't get the RTP it makes me steer clear. Rep on board or not
Audits or not is not a big deal. A RNG can be changed on the fly as you play . You can be playing a game with a 98% payback and by the next pull you might say it is at a 85%
payback or vise versa
All land based casinos more so with unregulated ones can walk up and within a few minutes change the payout on a machine from pulling the board out and swapping with another or pull the machine and set another one just like it in its place
I do not put a lot of stock into payback per centage and audits
 

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The question asked was regarding our slots payout, so my apologies for not being clear. The slots expected payout rate overall slot games (excluding table and skill based games) is 95%.

Best Regards

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The question asked was regarding our slots payout, so my apologies for not being clear. The slots expected payout rate overall slot games (excluding table and skill based games) is 95%.

Best Regards

Ms Sloto

Thank you for the reply Ms Sloto, that is reassuring.

Can I please ask more specifically though if ALL your slots are running the 95% maths model, (or the closest to it, it has been suggested that some RTG slots have a 94% maths model as opposed to a 95% model), specifically, I would really like to know whether or not any of your slots are running the 91.5% maths model and if the player has any means of identifying which (if any) these slots are.

I hope you can appreciate that there's a big difference between playing a slot at 91.5% RTP and 95% RTP, especially over an extended session on a single slot! (I'm one of those players who will 'plug away' at a single slot for a long time, in some cases many thousands of spins, and I don't want to get involved with a slot at 91.5% RTP! :eek:)

Thanks :)
 

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As per Casinomeister himself,

All slots will run at the 95% percent rating if that's what the casino has it set at.

/end of his quote

Therefore, there is NO one particular slot that will run at 91%. They just can't go in like a land based casino and say one slot is to be run at 91%, then the rest at 95%. So I dunno where all of you are getting this Fruit Frenzy runs at 91% and everything else doesn't.

I don't care what information or so called mislogic ya'll on posting about Fruit Frenzy or what myths you are all posting, but Sloto has said the casino runs at 95%. So therefore all slots will run at 95% not 91%. I really think we have some horrendous Tin Foil hat time going on here. I myself have had some rather good runs at Sloto.

I realize sometime ago, someone got really big headed and said. Well if there's a double pear, there must be running at the lowest setting possible. Yet why would Bryan post on the front page of the web site the software runs at a minimum of 95% RTP. When apparently according to everyone else who has a large conspiracy theory going on. That well Bryan and Sloto are lying and there's 1, I kid you not apparently 1 slot (insert Tin Foil Hat time), that runs 91% so therefore Sloto and Bryan are liars.

Common people really? Lets let the whole RTP with RTG rest. If you don't like RTG, then fine quit playing there. It seems the same argument are brought up everytime, and no one has solid proof that there running once slot at lower RTP. Until someone can show me a screen shot of the back end of sloto, besides a coupon wager requirement screen. That shows one slot can be adjusted, I'm going to call this whole mess a conspiracy theory gone horribly wrong.
 

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As per Casinomeister himself,

All slots will run at the 95% percent rating if that's what the casino has it set at.

/end of his quote

Therefore, there is NO one particular slot that will run at 91%. They just can't go in like a land based casino and say one slot is to be run at 91%, then the rest at 95%. So I dunno where all of you are getting this Fruit Frenzy runs at 91% and everything else doesn't.

I don't care what information or so called mislogic ya'll on posting about Fruit Frenzy or what myths you are all posting, but Sloto has said the casino runs at 95%. So therefore all slots will run at 95% not 91%. I really think we have some horrendous Tin Foil hat time going on here. I myself have had some rather good runs at Sloto.

I realize sometime ago, someone got really big headed and said. Well if there's a double pear, there must be running at the lowest setting possible. Yet why would Bryan post on the front page of the web site the software runs at a minimum of 95% RTP. When apparently according to everyone else who has a large conspiracy theory going on. That well Bryan and Sloto are lying and there's 1, I kid you not apparently 1 slot (insert Tin Foil Hat time), that runs 91% so therefore Sloto and Bryan are liars.

Common people really? Lets let the whole RTP with RTG rest. If you don't like RTG, then fine quit playing there. It seems the same argument are brought up everytime, and no one has solid proof that there running once slot at lower RTP. Until someone can show me a screen shot of the back end of sloto, besides a coupon wager requirement screen. That shows one slot can be adjusted, I'm going to call this whole mess a conspiracy theory gone horribly wrong.

All hyperbole aside, I don't think it's an overly complicated question.

'What RTP do your slots run at, given that it is generally accepted that RTG slots have a LOW/MED/HIGH (91/95/97) maths model, are all your slots running to one model or does it vary, and does the player have any means of determining which maths model he is playing?'

Is that really so hard a question for any upstanding casino operation to answer?

Having read the thread linked below, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask the Slotocash rep for a straight answer before I deposit any funds:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/fruit-frenzy-layout-at-doyles-hmmm.33284/
 

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Andy: Welcome to Casino Support. My name is Andy. How may I assist you today?
you: Hey Andy, I have a simple question. I was reading a thread in Casinomeister. Sloto replied that all of your slots are set at 95%. Can any one of your slots be set lower than 95%, are they all expected to pay out 95% overtime? Just wondering
Andy: Usually the payout rate is 95-97 % I don't have any information about lower %
Andy: FOr our Rival software they can go down to93%
you: ok, so the slots aren't going to pay any lower than 95% then. Everyone is going nuts claiming Fruit Frenzy is set lower than 95%
Andy: or up to 98 %
Andy: So for RTG system I think is the same they can't go down than this average limit
you: ok, thats all I wanted to know, thank you Andy
Andy: You are welcome
The above answers your question, just like on the front of the CM site. The settings are set between 95% and 97% varying on the slot. They won't be set any lower than that.
The other part of that that thread proved, that the 97% setting didn't have the double pear included in that setting. So it can only be assumed that the 95% setting would be where the double pear would be found. That's just a guess tho. So I'm still not sure where everyone is getting these wild accusations on how Fruit Frenzy could be paying at a 91% rating.
 
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