RTG and RTP - the official word

Casinomeister

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Ah yes, another RTG RTP thread :thumbsup:

What makes this one different is that it's an official statement from RTG :D

When I was in Montreal for the GIGSE, I sat down with one of their executives and clarified a few things - one was the RTP that has created a number of discussions. Here is the scoop on what goes on:

There are three settings for the RTP on RTG slots. 91.5, 95 & 97.5%. When games are released they are set at the default 95%. The 91% is designed primarily for those operators who use RTG software for Asian kiosks and Internet cafes where these games are played. 95% of all RTG casinos have their slots set at 95% - ed. note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%

The operator does not have the ability to change the setting. If the operator wishes to have a setting change, he/she must submit a request for the change in writing with a reason. Once this is processed by RTG the setting is changed. This change affects the game for the entire platform - not for specific players.

Future game releases will probably omit the 97.5% RTP and only include 91 and 95 with the 95% gut remaining as the default. Players need to understand that the RTG real time slots are very volatile, and your results may be higher or lower depending on the length of your play time. These games are tested with over 100 million spins before being released.
I hope this will clear up any misunderstandings, rumors, etc.
 

chuchu59

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Well I suppose that's good news! :thumbsup:

Funny they didn't mention the ones which have a 94% setting instead of 95%. I guess we'll have to assume that would be the default on those.

KK
Am I wrong in saying that the statement by RTG means there should be no settings other than 91.5%, 95% and 97.5%?

Slots are volatile by nature but IMO RTG should have clarified this a long time ago especially when Dogboy001 was still active in the forum. Oh well, better late than never I guess. Hopefully, the casinos wont adopt the 91.5%. It's way too low especially when there are huge WRs to be met. A pity that 97.5% will be omitted for the new releases. Seems there will be less playtime for your buck in future.
 

winbig

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Hold on...I'm confused. :confused:

note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%
Ok, this statement makes it seem as if the operators can change the settings at will. Why would they take an operators word, and assume that their RTP % are set to 95%, if the below statement is in fact true?

The operator does not have the ability to change the setting. If the operator wishes to have a setting change, he/she must submit a request for the change in writing with a reason. Once this is processed by RTG the setting is changed. This change affects the game for the entire platform - not for specific players.
If this was in fact true, then there is no reason that RTG has to "assume" that their payouts are set to 95%. They would have a hard copy of the change request, and would be able to quote from that.

Again, why would the operator have to tell RTG what their RTP is? RTG should know this stuff.
 

Simmo!

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note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%
Hold on...I'm confused. :confused:



Ok, this statement makes it seem as if the operators can change the settings at will. Why would they take an operators word, and assume that their RTP % are set to 95%, if the below statement is in fact true?
You missed out two important letters in your quoted text Winbig:

It said "Ed. Note"...not "Note" as you quoted.

"Ed. Note" standing for "Editors note", meaning Bryan noted that - it wasn't part of the RTG statement.
 

Casinomeister

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You missed out two important letters in your quoted text Winbig:

It said "Ed. Note"...not "Note" as you quoted.

"Ed. Note" standing for "Editors note", meaning Bryan noted that - it wasn't part of the RTG statement.
Correct - that was my note. Since the default is set at 95%, and both these operators have stated that they have never messed with the settings, then we can assume that the RTP for their slots is 95%.
 

Simmo!

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Correct - that was my note. Since the default is set at 95%, and both these operators have stated that they have never messed with the settings, then we can assume that the RTP for their slots is 95%.
FYI, Club World told me theirs was 95% back in January and Tom recently posted their annual payout percentages in another thread which seemed to back this up.
 

takethemoney

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I'm sitting here right now trying to calculate how big of a bankroll I'm going to need to play 100 million spins, so I can test the RTP. ;)

Thanks CM!
 

funeral979

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My only question is here is, where does the whole 'double pear' on Fruit Frenzy fit into this?

This was something that was only noticed recently (maybe in the last year or so?). If I remember correctly, it was pretty much implied that casinos with the double pear on FF had their slots set at the lowest setting (91.5%). Even if it wasn't though, this was noticed at alot of RTG casinos.....so we can only assume from this that there were quite a few RTG casinos that had their RTP settings changed at some point in the last year or so. So either the figure of 95% of all RTGs have their slots set at 95% is an exaggeration....or the double pear was/is in fact a HIGHER setting?

Or am I missing something here?
 

blacklabrador

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I have played nothing but MG sites up until 2 months ago. From my expieriences, MG is much more steady it seems on payouts than RTG sites. I have had some nice cashouts on video poker over the years on Riverbelle which has MG ( Hit 2 royals in one night totalling 30k.) However, it seems as if RTG is VERY streaky when it comes to slots and video poker.

I have been on the good side of bonus round after bonus round on games and also been on the the bad side where you can spin a couple hundred times and get no bonuses. I am on club world and I am wondering if it is 95% or 91%, i highly doubt it is 97%.
 

De Beuker

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My only question is here is, where does the whole 'double pear' on Fruit Frenzy fit into this?

This was something that was only noticed recently (maybe in the last year or so?). If I remember correctly, it was pretty much implied that casinos with the double pear on FF had their slots set at the lowest setting (91.5%). Even if it wasn't though, this was noticed at alot of RTG casinos.....so we can only assume from this that there were quite a few RTG casinos that had their RTP settings changed at some point in the last year or so. So either the figure of 95% of all RTGs have their slots set at 95% is an exaggeration....or the double pear was/is in fact a HIGHER setting?

Or am I missing something here?
I was asking myself the same question.
That whole RTP story started when someone spotted a double pear on FruitFrenzy, I think that was at Rushmore, and that double pear was not there earlier.
DogBoy then said that this was for different RTP settings.
Its easy to spot because RTG games always return to their default reelsettings when you exit them, so if you open FF the double pear is there for everyone to see...or its not there. You don't even need to spin.


I've seen the pears at Casino Titan, but not at Lock for example.
But please note that FF has only 2 settings, 97.5% and 95%.
So I guess the double pear means 95%.

The games that also have the 91% setting are mostly the Wooden Boy/Haunted Opera type slots, I never play those anyway.
 

4 of a kind

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Ah yes, another RTG RTP thread :thumbsup:

What makes this one different is that it's an official statement from RTG :D

When I was in Montreal for the GIGSE, I sat down with one of their executives and clarified a few things - one was the RTP that has created a number of discussions. Here is the scoop on what goes on:



I hope this will clear up any misunderstandings, rumors, etc.

Don’t want to be the rotten apple in the bushel here, but an RTG executive having a conversation with Bryan, or obviously with the Casinomiester web site about RTP settings, would be like Bernie Madoff having a conversation with a group of investors promising them great returns if they invest with him.

You always tell us to prove with evidence when we think we’re being cheated. Well I’m sure not just me but most here would like to know what proof you received that would confirm those settings you posted are actual fact. If you hold evidence please bring it forward or the alleged confirmed settings you want to put to rest once and for all, is really nothing more then he said, she said, you said. If it’s just words even from an RTG executive the glass remains empty. Did you expect him or her to tell you, "yea we pretty much do whatever the hell we want". Bernie was the executive of his investment firm. They got billions also. While you had this chat with an RTG executive were you able to get an explanation why they support rogues?

Serious online gamblers that lost hundreds of thousands of dollars over the past decade, and had fun doing it, would never accept 2 or 3 or even 4 percentage points being able to justify the devastating play results over the past two years at RTG.

Please don’t even mention Technical Systems Testing labs certificates as evidence of fair core RNG’s. Soon, I hope I will be able to expose their actual testing methods.

I know you wouldn’t even think of suggesting the strong arm of regulatory enforcement are enforcing and are confirming these settings. Most every one here knows there is no enforcement not in the least bit.

Throwing all RTG operators in the same decaying basket is not fair either. The rare couple of honest RTG operators are forced into a corner and carry the automatic bad reputation RTG has evolved into simply by association. It’s their fault for not putting up a fight after investing such large amounts of money in RTG software, and at some time afterwards they had to eventually discover that the RTG software provider is nothing more then a street hooker willing to spread their legs even for a known aids victim.

The EU has some interesting ideas with regulation. Their considering only letting online casinos operate out of individual countries where each country would have the jurisdiction to impose regulation. Many here will counter that this idea is being developed for greed. But maybe it’s because they care about their citizens and can’t do anything about the massive inquires they must receive about their citizens getting ripped off from third world country casino operators. The strong and honest casinos would be able to relocate operations and the rogues would be forced to stay put.

In addition if you’re interested how a real regulatory agency confirms RTP’s click this link and scroll down to Attachment B Auditing Slot Revenue.


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chuchu59

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Since RTG is being so transparent about the RTP would it not be possible to state in the Help File what the settings (97.5%, 95% or 91.5%) would be for each slot. No need for secrecy.
 

4 of a kind

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Since RTG is being so transparent about the RTP would it not be possible to state in the Help File what the settings (97.5%, 95% or 91.5%) would be for each slot. No need for secrecy.

I love your clever sense of humor.... Not sure why anyone thinks by posting RTP's would change anything. Without regulation why not post 99.9 % ?
 

winbig

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Please don’t even mention Technical Systems Testing labs certificates as evidence of fair core RNG’s. Soon, I hope I will be able to expose their actual testing methods.
Good luck in that...

A: By law, TST is unable to answer questions relating to the specifics behind the gaming systems we test due to standard Non-Disclosure Agreements we are required to enter into to maintain confidentiality of our client's testing and technologies. Our testing results are private intellectual property owned by the gaming suppliers and operators (and in certain instances the regulators) we work with, and can only be communicated to the public where our clients choose to discuss our testing or post their certification letters online. If you have any questions about our testing, please direct them to the appropriate gaming supplier or operator. Your concerns are important, so if you have any unanswered questions after directing them to the appropriate gaming supplier or operator, please feel free to direct them to the associated gaming authority / regulatory body.
 

maxd

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Don’t want to be the rotten apple in the bushel here, but an RTG executive having a conversation with Bryan, or obviously with the Casinomiester web site about RTP settings, would be like Bernie Madoff having a conversation with a group of investors promising them great returns if they invest with him.
Well you pretty much are being the rotten apple, aren't you? Your analogy draws a strong parallel between Bryan and one of the biggest swindlers of all time. Someone who will die in jail for what he did! That's pretty damn rotten apples!

Frankly that's pretty offensive stuff. And it begs the question of what the hell you are doing here?
 

Jasminebed

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Well you pretty much are being the rotten apple, aren't you? Your analogy draws a strong parallel between Bryan and one of the biggest swindlers of all time. Someone who will die in jail for what he did! That's pretty damn rotten apples!

Frankly that's pretty offensive stuff. And it beggars the question of what the hell you are doing here?
If you read 4 of a Kind's post again, I think he is comparing the RTG exec to Madoff. Perhaps still offensive, but not slanging CM off, except to imply he failed to get more confirmation than just someone's official statement.

There are different levels of executives within any large organization, and perhaps not all are privy to all the facts.
 

maxd

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If you read 4 of a Kind's post again, I think he is comparing the RTG exec to Madoff.
Ok, now I see that. So in that scenario Bryan is being likened to a witless dupe. Not much better IMHO, given Bryan's experience in the business.

Besides, all of this is based on the OP's well-established assumption that without "regulation" everything everyone says is a lie. That's pretty one track thinking, deeply flawed logic, and just plain wrong.
 

Jasminebed

Grumpy old gal
Ok, now I see that. So in that scenario Bryan is being likened to a witless dupe. Not much better IMHO, given Bryan's experience in the business.

Besides, all of this is based on the OP's well-established assumption that without "regulation" everything everyone says is a lie. That's pretty one track thinking, deeply flawed logic, and just plain wrong.
Seems that most of Madoff's investors were anything but witless dupes. And this was in an industry that does have a lot of regulations.

Bryan posted an official statement from RTG. CM members can make of it what they will.
 
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