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Slow Pay [Rogue] WinAsDealer / BeTheDealer group

Discussion in 'Casino Spam Complaints' started by Roanan, Feb 27, 2010.

    Feb 27, 2010
  1. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Known rogue casino WinAsDealer has returned with a new skin and spam campaign:

    The ownership isn't even in question:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    VIPBetStar.com is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

    The casino is owned by White Label Partners Inc and is powered by software provider CV on Net N.V., Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.


    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    WinAsDealer is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

    The casino is owned by White Label Partners Inc and is powered by software provider CV on Net N.V., Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.



    The spam itself is actually coming from the casino.

    Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:17:03 +0100
    To: This email is not visible to you.
    From: William Miller <william@vipsstar.org>
    Reply-to: This email is not visible to you.
    Subject: Claim $50 to try our platform

    Click here to Claim Your $50 NO-DEPOSIT require to try our games platform
    91.192.195.191/Browsing/welcomeVBS.htm



    The IP address/affiliate link shown in the spam is: 91.192.195.191

    The IP address for VipBetStar is: 91.192.195.196

    The IP address for WinAsDealer is: 91.192.195.199



    So of you get anything from them, send it SpamCop and run like hell.
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2010
  2. Feb 27, 2010
  3. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Just out of curiosity have you ever looked into the possible connections between WinAsDealer (WAD) and BeTheDealer (BTD)?

    I started dredging around on this based on some insider info I received but got side-tracked and then very much otherwise occupied.

    I thought someone of your demonstrated skills might've found, or be able to find, something interesting.
     
  4. Feb 27, 2010
  5. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Hmmm.....

    What do YOU think? :rolleyes:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    BeTheDealer Casino is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

    The casino is owned by CV on Net NV, Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. The support center Casiopea Group Ltd provides customer support to the Casino.


    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    WinAsDealer is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

    The casino is owned by White Label Partners Inc and is powered by software provider CV on Net N.V., Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.


    (Also notice the first paragraph is word-for-word identical.)
     
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  6. Feb 27, 2010
  7. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Highly suspect to be sure, but no self-declared connection that is solid enough to base conclusions on ... yet. ;)

    I seem to remember some time back they were using the same support email addys, but that changed a while ago.
     
  8. Feb 27, 2010
  9. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Enough to proceed as if they were...and dig further
     
  10. Feb 27, 2010
  11. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Don't let me stand in your way. :D
     
  12. Feb 27, 2010
  13. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    No problem....at a time that ISN'T 12:30am :rolleyes:
     
  14. Feb 27, 2010
  15. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Ah yes, 9h30 here in my corner of the EU, albeit 9h30 on a Saturday. :cool:
     
  16. Feb 27, 2010
  17. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Ahhh....but now I'm intrigued.

    I'll post something shortly
     
  18. Feb 27, 2010
  19. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Okay...initial investigation:

    Seeing how the spam contained an IP address as the affiliate link, and that address traces back to a casino, let's start typing in more IP addresses and see what we come up with:

    91.192.195.191 = cvgaming.com
    91.192.195.192 = PlayAsDealerCasino.com
    91.192.195.193 = StartCasinoProgram.com
    91.192.195.194 = CasinoRoyaleTbilisi.com
    91.192.195.195 = EuropeBetClub.com
    91.192.195.196 = VipBetStar.com
    91.192.195.198 = 777Dealer.com
    91.192.195.199 = WinAsDealer.com


    In addition, please note the following contact information for BeTheDealer:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Contact Us:

    E-mail: This email is not visible to you.
    Fax: 18667851836



    That is the exact same email and fax number on the 'about us' page for EVERY SINGLE CASINO listed above.


    I think that should be sufficient to show that BeTheDealer is the same outfit
     
  20. Feb 27, 2010
  21. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    More....


    If I do a search of Curacao eGaming - Cyberluck Curacao N.V.

    I find:

    Mr. Scott Moar, Director of Technology
    This email is not visible to you.

    CONET E-COMMERCE SERVICES N.V.
    Vredenburg E-zone
    Willemstad - Vredenburg, Curaao 99999
    Netherlands Antilles



    In doing a whois search of BeTheDealer.com I find:

    inetnum: 216.152.173/24
    status: reallocated
    owner: Conet N.V.
    ownerid: AN-CONV-LACNIC
    responsible: Scott Moar
    address: Pletterijweg Oost, Ara Hilltop Building, A-4,
    address: 00000 - Willemstad, Curacao -
    country: AN
    phone: +599 9 4650288 []



    All of the casinos mentioned in this thread (BeTheDealer, WinAsDealer, VipBetStar, etc) have a common principle showing up: Scott Moar

    I think that's sufficient proof now.
     
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  22. Feb 27, 2010
  23. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    [​IMG]

    Well done!
     
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  24. Feb 27, 2010
  25. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    :notworthy
     
  26. Feb 27, 2010
  27. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
  28. Feb 27, 2010
  29. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    It's amazing what one meaningless little spam message can turn into, when received by the wrong person :thumbsup:
     
  30. Feb 27, 2010
  31. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Final nail:

    You must register/login in order to see the link. = BeTheDealer cashier
     
    1 person likes this.
  32. Mar 1, 2010
  33. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    WinAsDealer and BeTheDealer have both been added to the Rogue Pit.
     

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