Licensing Curaçao licensees may have an easy time of it after all

[maxd]

Guess based on that we can all just speak plainly at each other now, right?

Fill yer boots! Not that I've noticed anyone being uncharacteristicly restrained.

- Max

 

[dunover]

Well, no, if by "throwing assertions" you mean having observations based on what I've seen and read herein and hereabouts. When the pessimists and prophets of perpetual doom are belting it out full throttle it behoves those of us with opposing views to speak and speak plainly.

- Max

I suppose you are the iGaming jurisdictions' equivalent of Lord Longford.

No matter the wrong committed, the evil, or the crime, rehabilitation is always possible.

Fortunately everyone else in society could spot the naivety of his stance.

I notice not one proponent of accepting the mealy-mouthed verbiage from this scandalous banana republic has mentioned the most inportant 'R' - restitution. Reform, yadda yadda, is all very well. But to gain any respect there would need to be retrospective action and prosecution of the criminals both inside and licensed by the place. Proper investigation of the accounts of the known hundreds of fraudulent casinos which have profited in the years (still ongoing) of fraud, laundering and then identification and prosecution of persons in the master license money trail and seizure of funds if possible. Remember the word 'fraudulent' here, not the good eggs.

Of course, with the tens of millions at stake and interests of officials who allowed it all in the first place, there would be a body count in both senses of the words.

In any civilized country a financial issue of this magnitude will always be accompanied by recovery of assets. In most countries criminals will have homes, cars and money seized by the state as well as appropriate sentences. If a civil matter like missold financial products, money is refunded to the victims enforced by the state. Only then can people have full trust in the system and accept wrongs have been righted before going forward. If this cannot happen because the beneficiaries of this criminal behaviour were allowed to do this remotely, then that alone tells anyone that the place was, is and will be irretrievably rotten

In effect you are saying cover the cesspit with some strong planks so we can all safely walk over it in future. As if that will stop the stench leaking through the cracks while we do. Kinda hold our noses while walking what we are earnestly promised is the new path to Cure-a-cow e-gaming nirvana. Believe that not only has the leopard changed its spots, but transformed into the Andrex puppy. Nah. New name or not, a turd is a turd whether you rename it a stool or a shit.

The whole thing needs rebuiding from ground zero. New low-tax location, some kind of government oversight from a proper first-world country, proper infrastructure and association from an exisiting trusted licensing authority and above all proper checks of applicants.

What has gone on cannot be forgiven, this forum is testament to that and that's just a tiny amount of the scamming totals posted on here. I get the uncomfortable feeling that we are seeing here calculated building of a new narrative regarding Cure-a-cow. Yes, I get I'm in a minority of opposition in that regard but I always will be and I'll live happily with the fact.

 

[Webzcas]

But to gain any respect there would need to be retrospective action and prosecution of the criminals both inside and licensed by the place. Proper investigation of the accounts of the known hundreds of fraudulent casinos which have profited in the years (still ongoing) of fraud, laundering and then identification and prosecution of persons in the master license money trail and seizure of funds if possible. Remember the word 'fraudulent' here, not the good eggs.

Got to this point in your post and as such there is no point reading any further, as you nail it right here with this part of your post.

Will this happen? Unlikely I am guessing and as a result we reach a road block and impasse IMO.

However, my previous point remains, that there are a few outstanding operators that are 'licensed' and operate from Curacao. Although finding them is the equivalent of trying to navigate through the Surovikin line as without performing the necessary research, that all players should do before deciding on a place to play at, you are likely to hit a rogue mine.

 

[maxd]

No matter the wrong committed, the evil, or the crime, rehabilitation is always possible

I have no idea who Lord Longford is but in essence I'd agree. And why the hell not? If the end game is improved conditions for players then yes, full steam ahead, if they can manage it.

You can bang on all you like about "covering the cesspits" and "in any civilised country" and so forth but in the real world you're not going to get your Nuremberg Trials. At best we might get a little truth and reconciliation but my guess is that even that's pretty unlikely.

As to "everyone else in society could spot the naivety" I'd be careful about assuming you know what "everyone else" has on their mind. As you've said yourself, you're the bitter guy in the back corner brandishing the heavy tankard. I suppose it depends on how you see these things but IMHO that "angry man" stance is not exactly the voice of the people you think it is.

The best we can hope from Curaçao is that they draw a line, turn over a bit of a new leaf, and make some tangible improvements for players. Sure, the chances aren't great but if they can do it then good on them. If they don't then they'll continue to be the pariahs of the industry, they've certainly earned it. Obviously some people will never see them as anything but pariahs and that's fine too.

- Max

 

[jasonuk]

I notice not one proponent of accepting the mealy-mouthed verbiage from this scandalous banana republic has mentioned the most inportant 'R' - restitution. Reform, yadda yadda, is all very well. But to gain any respect there would need to be retrospective action and prosecution of the criminals both inside and licensed by the place. Proper investigation of the accounts of the known hundreds of fraudulent casinos which have profited in the years (still ongoing) of fraud, laundering and then identification and prosecution of persons in the master license money trail and seizure of funds if possible. Remember the word 'fraudulent' here, not the good eggs.

This was the point I was going to mention, and a strong test of whether they are genuinely turning over a new leaf, or just covering up the stench as you put it. If the criminality is as strong as indicated, while the money may be long gone, it doesn't stop the potential for criminal prosecutions.

Somewhat annoyingly, the UKGC would be the counter-argument here... they've allowed operators to run without any protection of player funds for years and when those sites have gone bust (due to negligence, criminality or otherwise) the players have no recourse.

Taking the more recent example with the alleged ponzi scheme called Football Index, they indicated that player funds were "medium protected" except they didn't clarify this only applied to the cash balance and not 'investments' (active bets) in their stock market game - which happened to be the vast majority of the funds on the platform, and those funds were unprotected and are likely gone.

 

[satchnz]

I had a bit of an issue with one of those “crapto” casinos licensed by “Cure-a-cow” yesterday. Requested a withdrawal after a decent session on Saturday but my withdrawal was declined due to them detecting multiple accounts from the same IP/device.

I got onto online chat and they asked me for an explanation. I told them I only had the one account with them, and that I always use a VPN for privacy and security (likely reason for the duplicates detected). They thanked me for my explanation and processed my withdrawal immediately.

There are a lot of bad eggs out there but there are also some decent places to be trusted if you do your homework first.

P.S. I also made a withdrawal from Stake, and like clockwork, they paid in seconds.