last night on dead or alive

[Jono777]

Just this afternoon 4 bonus rounds for a total of 5 wilds across 48 free spins and a Highest win of 30x (thanks to one of the 4 features being a 4-scatter trigger)

Colder than ice atm, guess I'll be back after tea for my triple wild line and 5 scatters

 

[interlog]

I thought I'd have a punt but it's looking less than favourable 56% RTP!

A bit more than cold... perhaps it's about to swing massive the other way though

I don't take any notice of these "cold" or "hot" indicators. By your argument you may as well spend £1,000 on Hot as Hades to get a £1,200 return because that slot is listed as a 120% RTP!

If these slots are true random, it doesn't matter what the previous spins paid or didn't pay the player.

What for me is more worrying is that I read on another post here in the forum, that a casino has the option to change the RTP ( see here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/sites-displaying-up-to-date-rtp.68302/?t=68302 ):

A lot of slots have a theoretical RTP buried in the 'Game Rules' pages, but some casinos do have the ability to adjust these slightly, depending on their agreement with the developer.

Not sure if that is possible with this slot, but if a casino I play at is adjusting the game's RTP to make it more favourable for them, I would be royally peed off with them!

 

[JackMack]

I think the RTP can be changed certainly but it may well be that Net Ent set it and it applies globally across casinos that have the slot.
Given that I have played different casinos with the same results and many others have stated the same experience that seems likely.

I just got my stats for this month so far at one casino and I am 500 euro down with 76% RTP (I guessed 75% so that was pretty good guess) with over 5000 spins. Multiply that with other accounts and it is fair to see that is one ice cold slot!

If it ever changes and I hit something worthwhile I'll be sure to post here but I reckon that even if the game is restored to a much higher RTP setting you will still need some luck to hit any big wins but we should get some game time at least.

I hereby rename this slot, "Dead Or Very Dead"

 

[interlog]

I have no idea whether Netent would change the RTP on a slot to make it pay better or worse. Surely, the reels and win table are designed in such a way that no further tinkering is required to make a return on the slot?

What I can't get my head round all of this RTP malarkey is how the slot takes into account the amount wagered. Giving a 1,000 x return on a £0.09 spin is going to be totally different to a 1,000 x return on a £18 spin in terms of money going out of the coffers.

If a slot really doesn't care about the amount wagered (i.e. it predetermines the amount won in terms of times stake at the press of the button), a slot could be a big loss maker if the big wins only go to the higher stakes and the low wins to the smaller stakes. Not sure how that is factored in the RTP calculations.

 

[JackMack]

Well had another session, couple of thousand spins.
It played better for a while (relatively) and I got ahead on my deposit but still can't hit anything on bonus although got a couple that kept me in the game.
What sums this slot up is I finally got sticky wild 1st reel on the very first free spin and didn't hit x10 bet in total!!!
Not sure how that is possible but after that bonus round it shut down completely and I didn't see scatter on rell 1 for around 200 spins and it ook be about another 600 to trigger free spins again where I hat jack all of course.
My RTP on last 700+ spins must have been about 50% until bust, crazy and not very random. :sob:

 

[kidgloves]

I've played this slot to death over the last couple of years. I've gone through periods of doing the math, following the rtp, varying the stakes, doing a rain dance, all of it.
The first requirement to playing DOA in my view is the right mindset in terms of the entertainment factor. The base game is certainly not everyone's cup of tea, some will declare it outright boring, if you're looking for all singing all dancing slot activity, this won't appeal.
The second requirement is easy in the first part, the expectation of the potential of the bonus round - after countless bonus rounds, I still feel a tingle when it triggers that this could be the big round of thousands x stake. The second part is harder to achieve - the ability to shrug off countless bonus rounds of little to no value. If these rounds make your hackles rise, then this game really isn't for you.
With all that said, I've experienced the frustration of 100's of bonus rounds with little or no value and convinced myself I'm due that big round.
These days, and I have to say it's taken all this experience to get to this point, I can shrug off an individual losing session or an extended period of months of losing sessions with no great return easily. I understand the game for what it is, and how remote the big pays are on it.
It will still remain one of my firm favourites.

 

[JackMack]

I've played this slot to death over the last couple of years. I've gone through periods of doing the math, following the rtp, varying the stakes, doing a rain dance, all of it.
The first requirement to playing DOA in my view is the right mindset in terms of the entertainment factor. The base game is certainly not everyone's cup of tea, some will declare it outright boring, if you're looking for all singing all dancing slot activity, this won't appeal.
The second requirement is easy in the first part, the expectation of the potential of the bonus round - after countless bonus rounds, I still feel a tingle when it triggers that this could be the big round of thousands x stake. The second part is harder to achieve - the ability to shrug off countless bonus rounds of little to no value. If these rounds make your hackles rise, then this game really isn't for you.
With all that said, I've experienced the frustration of 100's of bonus rounds with little or no value and convinced myself I'm due that big round.
These days, and I have to say it's taken all this experience to get to this point, I can shrug off an individual losing session or an extended period of months of losing sessions with no great return easily. I understand the game for what it is, and how remote the big pays are on it.
It will still remain one of my firm favourites.

Excellent post/

 

[magicjohnson]

I don't take any notice of these "cold" or "hot" indicators. By your argument you may as well spend £1,000 on Hot as Hades to get a £1,200 return because that slot is listed as a 120% RTP!

If these slots are true random, it doesn't matter what the previous spins paid or didn't pay the player.

What for me is more worrying is that I read on another post here in the forum, that a casino has the option to change the RTP ( see here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/sites-displaying-up-to-date-rtp.68302/?t=68302 ):

Not sure if that is possible with this slot, but if a casino I play at is adjusting the game's RTP to make it more favourable for them, I would be royally peed off with them!

I'm not sure if that still goes on with Sky, Betfair, Mr Green to name a few as they are specify the same RTP on the same games. This might have happened in the past and possibly does still happen with some unregulated operations! I'm not sure if would be possible with NetEnt games but they seem to be the same RTP on these sites too, as well as my current favourtie slot, GOLD.

 

[Jono777]

Nothing to get excited about but has any other regular DOA player(s) noticed it seems to be triggering the feature with 4 scatters a lot the last couple of days.

Kills me when its reels 1-4

 

[interlog]

Well it is not playing too bad for all, as this post proves:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots.4193/

2 decent wins within an hour play.

That perhaps gives hope for others.

 

[Adriana B]

Oh great! There goes the win for the week.

 

[randomiam]

i hit new record mabye

Over 1200 spins no feature at casumo that the most ever spins without one ive had a few 500 and 600 spins but never over that whats you guys worst

 

[kerry888]

Over 1200 spins no feature at casumo that the most ever spins without one ive had a few 500 and 600 spins but never over that whats you guys worst

I done just short of 1500 spins without a feature , and then it finally came in to pay 60p lol

 

[randomiam]

I done just short of 1500 spins without a feature , and then it finally came in to pay 60p lol

its always the way

 

[citizenx]

I done just short of 1500 spins without a feature , and then it finally came in to pay 60p lol

Got five extra spins at Betspin this morning. At 9p stakes paid about £40.

 

[kerry888]

The way its going lately it defo is always the way lol

Been playing this game non stop for about 3-weeks now and think ive only managed the 5 extra free spins twice as hardly any wilds were coming when i did get the feature, but Ive had a couple of close ones the last 2 days tho where ive waited on it coming on 1 reel for 4-5 spins but again never come, and constant doubling up on the reels also.

Either last weekend or weekend before i managed 35 features on 9p a spin that was taking anything between 180-1500 spins lol mainly 500-600 spins then would bring 3-4 close by and the highest i got was £10.00

Hope everyones luck changes soon tho

 

[Angel81]

Nothing to get excited about but has any other regular DOA player(s) noticed it seems to be triggering the feature with 4 scatters a lot the last couple of days.

Kills me when its reels 1-4

Yes! Ive noticed this too.

 

[Adriana B]

Not sure which is worse ... IR or DOA

They both sucked my bankroll. I got to the point that I just wanted to bust out. I accomplished that. I honestly think IR is worse -- I had much more play time on DOA. These games are definitely off my play list.

 

[rshkrn]

They both sucked my bankroll. I got to the point that I just wanted to bust out. I accomplished that. I honestly think IR is worse -- I had much more play time on DOA. These games are definitely off my play list.

Somehow they always creep in tho ...one big win and they are back like the terminator

 

[Nicola]

Has been a lot of 4 scatter triggers in the last few days, either the first 4 or last 4!

 

[citizenx]

Just had my second 5 scatter this weekend. This one at Casino Luck.

Didn't get a screenshot unlike my last one.

Quite handy since I unusually (for me) took a deposit bonus.

Got £280 wagering and £270 balance.

 

[interlog]

Thought I give this slot another try.

Rather than deposit big and spin at my usual £0.45, I used a smaller deposit of £25 and started off with £0.18 spins. The balance quickly went down to £12 when I lowered the bet to £0.09 a spin.

The minute I lowered my bet, it was like playing another machine. the £12 lasted 3 hours with a large number of bonus rounds (proportionally coming in more frequently than usual). At some point the balance went up to £20!

Anybody else notice this? I noticed in the screen shot section of the forum, that those that play £0.09 bets get the wild lines quite frequently (other than Rolastan!)

 

[brianmon]

Thought I give this slot another try.

Rather than deposit big and spin at my usual £0.45, I used a smaller deposit of £25 and started off with £0.18 spins. The balance quickly went down to £12 when I lowered the bet to £0.09 a spin.

The minute I lowered my bet, it was like playing another machine. the £12 lasted 3 hours with a large number of bonus rounds (proportionally coming in more frequently than usual). At some point the balance went up to £20!

Anybody else notice this? I noticed in the screen shot section of the forum, that those that play £0.09 bets get the wild lines quite frequently (other than Rolastan!)

Yeah, I've notice a difference when playing different stakes.
I've played at 18p (2p coin) and everything is running smooth and getting a few wins.
Then when I change to 45p (5p coin) and it goes cold. But more importantly, there's a slight lag. Change back to 2p and everything's smooth again.
It's like I've changed to a completely different game.

 

[Jono777]

Thought I give this slot another try.

Rather than deposit big and spin at my usual £0.45, I used a smaller deposit of £25 and started off with £0.18 spins. The balance quickly went down to £12 when I lowered the bet to £0.09 a spin.

The minute I lowered my bet, it was like playing another machine. the £12 lasted 3 hours with a large number of bonus rounds (proportionally coming in more frequently than usual). At some point the balance went up to £20!

Anybody else notice this? I noticed in the screen shot section of the forum, that those that play £0.09 bets get the wild lines quite frequently (other than Rolastan!)

Just luck I'm afraid!

Last 3-4 weeks all at 9p bets and very poor bonus rounds, that's if I get one at all!

 

[interlog]

Just luck I'm afraid!

Last 3-4 weeks all at 9p bets and very poor bonus rounds, that's if I get one at all!

The bonus rounds I got were poor. Max was 50 x stake. It was the base game that kept me going.

Tried it again, this time at Casumo. Had 20 free spins on Starburst and won €2.xx on it. So started to play DOA at €0.09 a spin and that €2 something lasted me 2.5 hours! At some point got to over €18 but was still within wagering to clear the win on the free spins so couldn't cash out. By the time I cleared wagering I never got over €10 which is the minimum amount you can withdraw at the Casino.

Never had so many bonus rounds - they were given to me like confetti. Also had more than usual 5 line wins.

Co-incidence? Perhaps.

I don't mind this slot playing like that. 2.5 hours game play for a couple of € (which were free to start off with) is good value for money!