Who's The Bride (Dead Or Alive) - Who's the robbing bandit, more like

[ChopleyIOM]

I get that Dead Or Alive is all about the wildlines but holy crap this is a rough ride if you don't get one.

For seasoned veterans of this game, what's the expected feature hit rate in terms of getting a wildline?

Also yes I am very much aware that this is a small spin sample so I'm not complaining about the game being rigged or anything, although TBH I didn't realise it was quite so skewed into 'wildline or bust' before I set about this endeavour.

Alas I fear I'm at the point now where I've got to do a Star Wars trench run and 'stay on target'.

 

[dunover]

I get that Dead Or Alive is all about the wildlines but holy crap this is a rough ride if you don't get one.

For seasoned veterans of this game, what's the expected feature hit rate in terms of getting a wildline?

Also yes I am very much aware that this is a small spin sample so I'm not complaining about the game being rigged or anything, although TBH I didn't realise it was quite so skewed into 'wildline or bust' before I set about this endeavour.

Alas I fear I'm at the point now where I've got to do a Star Wars trench run and 'stay on target'.

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You forgot to mention the 5-scatters for 2,500x bet, another RTP-hungry aspect of the game. I had that once, never the Wildline nor IIRC even the +5 spins sans Wildline.

 

[satchnz]

Since mid 2023 I’ve had three wild line bonuses. And I landed a five scatter hit once back in mid 2021.

I don’t put a lot of spins through this game (compared to others here who session it) but I am also quite lucky with slots it seems.

EDIT - This is on DOA2. I missed that you were meaning the first DOA slot sorry.

 

[Jono777]

Not play WTB much but it is a direct DoA clone which I have put (no exaggeration) millions of spins thru over the years.

I have managed over 100 wildlines and hit 5 scatters maybe 20+ times (break this down over 10 years and its not as "wow" as you may initially think)

It WAS a seemingly very fair game, even at 94.03%RTP until recently when they removed the teaser spins and switched to the Evolution faster spinning version.

A balance of say £20-£25 pre gimp would hold for a minimum 90 minutes if not a lot longer, since the update you're lucky to see 1/3rd of that time for the same balance.

Despite your defence of games being fair and stats to back it up (thinking Bonanza here) there is 100% something not right with these Netent games now and this is lengthy vast experience talking here, not paranoia.

There is no way on this planet WTB or DOA are paying anywhere near RTP, trouble is no proof as games are not tested as we're led to believe, so no proving anything either sadly.

 

[snorky510238]

I get that Dead Or Alive is all about the wildlines but holy crap this is a rough ride if you don't get one.

For seasoned veterans of this game, what's the expected feature hit rate in terms of getting a wildline?

Also yes I am very much aware that this is a small spin sample so I'm not complaining about the game being rigged or anything, although TBH I didn't realise it was quite so skewed into 'wildline or bust' before I set about this endeavour.

Alas I fear I'm at the point now where I've got to do a Star Wars trench run and 'stay on target'.

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It’s 5 scatter, Wildline or bust. There’s very little in between. It’s crazy but in essence, you’ve spun £1,300+ through it and your best win is £20, which is nuts.

However, nowhere near as bad as mine. I have spun getting towards 5K through DOA2 with a best win of £45.

 

[snorky510238]

Not play WTB much but it is a direct DoA clone which I have put (no exaggeration) millions of spins thru over the years.

I have managed over 100 wildlines and hit 5 scatters maybe 20+ times (break this down over 10 years and its not as "wow" as you may initially think)

It WAS a seemingly very fair game, even at 94.03%RTP until recently when they removed the teaser spins and switched to the Evolution faster spinning version.

A balance of say £20-£25 pre gimp would hold for a minimum 90 minutes if not a lot longer, since the update you're lucky to see 1/3rd of that time for the same balance.

Despite your defence of games being fair and stats to back it up (thinking Bonanza here) there is 100% something not right with these Netent games now and this is lengthy vast experience talking here, not paranoia.

There is no way on this planet WTB or DOA are paying anywhere near RTP, trouble is no proof as games are not tested as we're led to believe, so no proving anything either sadly.

Bang on the money Jono. It’s blatant cheating filth. I’ve been calling out Mr Vegas for months regarding how their versions of slots play differently to other Casinos. At every other Casino, I’ve hit at least 5 scatters or a wildline in far less spins but never hit either at Mr Vegas.

My stats for the original DOA are pretty much the same too, which is more than coincidence, me thinks.

Don’t get me wrong, as you say, the games are nowhere near the same and there is evidence in the results. The bonus frequency has been doctored, as well as the amount of 4 scatter hits (way below the original frequency).

 

[Kroffe]

I get that Dead Or Alive is all about the wildlines but holy crap this is a rough ride if you don't get one.

For seasoned veterans of this game, what's the expected feature hit rate in terms of getting a wildline?

Also yes I am very much aware that this is a small spin sample so I'm not complaining about the game being rigged or anything, although TBH I didn't realise it was quite so skewed into 'wildline or bust' before I set about this endeavour.

Alas I fear I'm at the point now where I've got to do a Star Wars trench run and 'stay on target'.

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Talking shit about the brides now are we...

 

[Kroffe]

Waaah, its such a bad game, waaaah.
But actually...

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Waaah, its such a bad game, waaaah.
But actually...

Those sir, are some strong numbers, I doff my cap.

Also shows how the game will eventually gravitate towards its T-RTP.

The lesson here is that I need to deposit more money and keep chasing the wildline or five scatters.

 

[satchnz]

Since mid 2023 I’ve had three wild line bonuses. And I landed a five scatter hit once back in mid 2021.

I don’t put a lot of spins through this game (compared to others here who session it) but I am also quite lucky with slots it seems.

EDIT - This is on DOA2. I missed that you were meaning the first DOA slot sorry.

Geez, I need to learn how to read… We’re talking about WTB…

 

[dunover]

I will be forever ahead on Dead on Arrival 1 due to getting the 5 scatters in only my third visit, only playing it briefly once since. Nice 1800 quid, when I did that old YT video sponsored by @Nate and hit it at Gday casino.

 

[Kroffe]

Those sir, are some strong numbers, I doff my cap.

Also shows how the game will eventually gravitate towards its T-RTP.

The lesson here is that I need to deposit more money and keep chasing the wildline or five scatters.

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You take a look at 2024, the worst year in WTB slotting history, and you think its strong numbers....

@dunover I think it would be sensible to change the obviously false title of the thread to something like 'Wtb is the greatest game ever'
A permanent ban for the smear attempt is maybe not necessary, but a couple of weeks would give him time to think about what hes done and come back a better person.
Just consider it, ok?

 

[Jono777]

I will be forever ahead on Dead on Arrival 1 due to getting the 5 scatters in only my third visit, only playing it briefly once since. Nice 1800 quid, when I did that old YT video sponsored by @Nate and hit it at Gday casino.

Remember that like it was yesterday.

 

[dunover]

You take a look at 2024, the worst year in WTB slotting history, and you think its strong numbers....

@dunover I think it would be sensible to change the obviously false title of the thread to something like 'Wtb is the greatest game ever'
A permanent ban for the smear attempt is maybe not necessary, but a couple of weeks would give him time to think about what hes done and come back a better person.
Just consider it, ok?

No can do. But I could change it to 'Arranged Marriages are Terrible'...

 

[TheAddict]

Pretty much what Jono said.
I myself had very similar returns over just under ten years playing DOA1, just like Jono stated above (mostly abusing reloads for +ev longterm results and to feed my addiction ;D ). It was, literally, the only game I played during that period.
IMO, DOA never used to be all or nothing as you describe above, Chop. Though, it has been since Evo, where it now has almost no gameplay, ever. Just a boring SHORT ride to bust town. Your money would often last into the next days session and, provide entertainment! Prior to Evo, that is.

Whos the Bride played exactly the same as DOA, prior to Evo, for me. Exactly As expected. It was a good game, before Evo came. But WTB was removed from most uk casinos when Evo got hold of DOA, so I can only assume its equally just as bent as post Evo DOA now, too. ;p

 

[TheSchwad]

I stopped collecting stats a while ago, but see screenshot below.
Number of bonuses, X-win on significant event, Significant event
Figures for WL are how many bonuses since last one.

 

[TheSchwad]

So quick formula on spreadsheet, my WTB WL frequency was every 209 bonuses
I read somewhere (ages ago) on 96.8% version of DOA, a retrigger was on average every 50 bonuses and a WL every 151 bonuses.

Below is my DOA (all 96%) stats which is a 162 bonus to WL average

 

[geordiecolin]

I've avoided playing Who's the Bride because whenever I play Dead or Alive/2 I can't leave them after a deposit runs out until I hit a big win. Its too much of a challenge to walk away from

 

[mcgameboy]

I will be forever ahead on Dead on Arrival 1 due to getting the 5 scatters in only my third visit, only playing it briefly once since. Nice 1800 quid, when I did that old YT video sponsored by @Nate and hit it at Gday casino.

Oh fuck up, you spawny twat.

OOPS. SORRY. NEED TO CORRECT THAT AS A MATTER OF URGENCY IN CASE I GET THE BAN HAMMER.

Here goes.....

OH PLEEEEEASE DO FUCK UP ALREADY, MR. CM STAFF MEMBER SIR, YOU FUCKING SPAWNY TWAT.

Crisis AND ban hammer averted. Phew.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So quick formula on spreadsheet, my WTB WL frequency was every 209 bonuses
I read somewhere (ages ago) on 96.8% version of DOA, a retrigger was on average every 50 bonuses and a WL every 151 bonuses.

Below is my DOA (all 96%) stats which is a 162 bonus to WL average

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Yowsers, always good to see some proper stats and TBH I just don't have the stomach for this, it's not like the max pays are even that gargantuan by modern standards, and yet they seem to have gimped the game to a massive extent RTP wise if you're not hitting the wild lines and/or the five scatters.

Even on modest 18p spins I see a most unedifying road ahead of me, and an expensive one at that. If the average frequency for a wildline feature is around 1/160 then catch it on the bad side of randomness and that could be 800+ features without a wildline.

Thanks for all the input folks, I've just ordered myself a nice new 32 inch screen for my PC instead, using the money I've 'saved' by not chasing a wildline on Who's The Bride, and that is what you call impeccable Gambler's Logic

As for WTB/DoA:

 

[mulven]

Yowsers, always good to see some proper stats and TBH I just don't have the stomach for this, it's not like the max pays are even that gargantuan by modern standards, and yet they seem to have gimped the game to a massive extent RTP wise if you're not hitting the wild lines and/or the five scatters.

Even on modest 18p spins I see a most unedifying road ahead of me, and an expensive one at that. If the average frequency for a wildline feature is around 1/160 then catch it on the bad side of randomness and that could be 800+ features without a wildline.

Thanks for all the input folks, I've just ordered myself a nice new 32 inch screen for my PC instead, using the money I've 'saved' by not chasing a wildline on Who's The Bride, and that is what you call impeccable Gambler's Logic

As for WTB/DoA:

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back to the reac/toonz grind? (true/odds joke)

 

[kou187]

With dead or alive 2, its not always about just getting a wild line just a couple of wilds lined up right can pay nice with the right symbols landing, and just 1 or 2 of your wilds having multipliers on can make a big difference, but for me the train heist feature I have always said is a very underrated bonus round and can pay huge also just not silly billy money like the wild line bonus can.

But I find this feature way more consistent and reliable then the other two bonus rounds.
This one from last week went for just under 1000X

Not bad, for a low volatility option.

another good result from last week, from a £5 deposit

I usually start on the train heist feature and build my balance up form that. And when I'm up and winning on the game is when I pick the high volatility bonus, that's my method anyway.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

back to the reac/toonz grind? (true/odds joke)

I need to do a proper write-up for that.

Let's just say it finished up with a TKO by Dice Fusion

 

[mulven]

rest in peace 3000x+ dreams

 

[Kroffe]

Meh, he gave up before i got to show him what strong numbers look like.
Clearly the bestest game ever made.