Bogus Complaint joe90joe VS Platinum Play

[The Dude]

Yo joe,

Shut the hell up. Thank you.

As for Facebook, it's a very useful tool that a number of casinos to include Max and me in determining whether or not people are who they say they are. We had one guy denying up and down until Tuesday that he wasn't a student - his Facebook page claimed other wise . We had a a few issues where a person denied knowing someone else. But they were friends on Facebook.

We've even had a case where one person claimed to be someone. I contacted her via her Facebook page and she had no clue on who I was (stolen ID). And we had a situation where a affiliate program denied any connection with another - yet they were all buddy buddies on FB to include shared company names. It's a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to deceive....

So FB can be a helpful tool if you know how to use it right.

 

[joe90joe]

Why am I being treated with disrespect. Jheeze I thought this was meant to be a helpful Forum. Why you on my back so much?

Look. FACT is you can do any investigating you like on my Facebook Page, I do not know a Theresa nor have I set up any other accounts at any other Casinos than myself.

I think its funny how paranoid people are that they stalk Facebook accounts.

 

[bsilva028]

Why am I being treated with disrespect. Jheeze I thought this was meant to be a helpful Forum. Why you on my back so much?

Look. FACT is you can do any investigating you like on my Facebook Page, I do not know a Theresa nor have I set up any other accounts at any other Casinos than myself.

I think its funny how paranoid people are that they stalk Facebook accounts.

oyu dont have any duplicated account in another casino from them?

and the forum its helpful forum
when problems are genuine
but its not a blaming forum

if you are 100% sure that you are correct and that casino its not doing good, PAB the case, stop posting and wait for the results.

 

[CakeKing]

my bad

 

[joe90joe]

I made a PAB 2 hours ago.

Am I allowed to still continue in discussion here with fellow members?

 

[CakeKing]

You might want to read the Pitch a bitch FAQ and no your not suppose to discuss the issue here anymore.

 

[The Dude]

I made a PAB 2 hours ago.

Am I allowed to still continue in discussion here with fellow members?

I'm pretty sure that in the PAB FAQs it says not to continue discussing your issue in public. That's why I kindly asked you to shut the hell up.

But it's your PAB, if Max tosses it to the curb, that's his call.

 

[Jasminebed]

I thought I'd add I'm facebook friends with people I don't know in real life, mostly from this forum or other gambling ones.

I do hope that if I'm linked to any fraudsters or suspected fraudster a casino would contact me and inform me if they discover this association.

I was recently somewhat disturbed to join a casino and find the user name "Jasminebed" taken. I did double check with support to make sure I didn't already have and account, and am a little worried still by it.

 

[skiny]

Why am I being treated with disrespect. Jheeze I thought this was meant to be a helpful Forum. Why you on my back so much?

Look. FACT is you can do any investigating you like on my Facebook Page, I do not know a Theresa nor have I set up any other accounts at any other Casinos than myself.

I think its funny how paranoid people are that they stalk Facebook accounts.

I've always been a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty but you're really not helping your case. It's pretty rare that a reputable casino wrongfully accuses a player of fraudulent activity but mistakes are possible. In these cases a third party can be asked to look at all of the information. That is the stage you are in now.

But rather than sit back an allow the process to run it's course you continue to post here in the very thread you were told not to. Sarcastic replies will not convince members of this forum of your innocence and even if they did we're not the ones that need to be convinced.

In my experience when new people show up here to proclaim their innocence, the more belligerent they behave the less likely it is they're actually being honest. Go read the jokes or attic threads until the process has run it's course. Post all you like about unrelated topics and stop being sarcastic toward the people you're asking to help you.

 

[skiny]

I thought I'd add I'm facebook friends with people I don't know in real life, mostly from this forum or other gambling ones.

I do hope that if I'm linked to any fraudsters or suspected fraudster a casino would contact me and inform me if they discover this association.

I was recently somewhat disturbed to join a casino and find the user name "Jasminebed" taken. I did double check with support to make sure I didn't already have and account, and am a little worried still by it.

Don't worry. We know you're the real Jasminbed. We'll accept no substitutes.

 

[joe90joe]

Please Excuse me for breaking the rules regarding PAB.

I will not comment no further on this thread. I will just finally add, Can you or Max please make a decision before calling me a fraudster with HARD evidence supporting PP accusation. Its just because I have read elsewhere today that PP have been getting away with this for a while now.

 

[irmster]

how to endear yourself to people whose help you are seeking.

Oh dear.

 

[The Dude]

Please Excuse me for breaking the rules regarding PAB.

I will not comment no further on this thread..

Ok.

I will just finally add,

Oh dear

Can you or Max please make a decision before calling me a fraudster with HARD evidence supporting PP accusation. Its just because I have read elsewhere today that PP have been getting away with this for a while now.

I may not call you a fraudster, but I can make a clear and concise decision that you are a pain in the ass and are violating our venerated rules - specifically rule 1.18:

1.18 - Don't be a PITA Members who just don't have a clue on what is socially acceptable, or are just too annoying will have their accounts closed. The administration and moderators of Casinomeister reserve the right to close accounts at our discretion. This may be a public forum that encourages freedom of expression, but it's still our house. Abuse it and lose it.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/

Tread carefully.

 

[MisterBJ]

Please Excuse me for breaking the rules regarding PAB.

I will not comment no further on this thread. I will just finally add, Can you or Max please make a decision before calling me a fraudster with HARD evidence supporting PP accusation. Its just because I have read elsewhere today that PP have been getting away with this for a while now.

OP I'm willing to BET you're one post away from having your PAB tossed out. Quit commenting, not even to say 'hello'. Until your claim has been processed. Afterwards you can read the thread from the outside looking in LOL.

 

[dunover]

I just seen this thread has been updated, I did suggest the possibility of duplicate accounts earlier and I'd wager that FL did their homework before acting.
I do get a sense of the OP's outrage that he/she hasn't gotten the universal unequivocal support that was expected. People need to take note of this fact; CM is balanced and has people that will look into every nook and cranny in a player's complaint and being heavy on outrage and light on truth or facts will ultimately get one nowhere.

 

[hakapuku]

Hi everyone

I have replied to the OP's PM and, as this issue has been discussed widely in this thread, I also need to inform you of why the OP's accounts were locked and why her winnings were confiscated.

As mentioned in a number of previous posts, we conduct extensive security checks on players we suspect of attempting to commit fraud against our casinos. We will only lock accounts and confiscate winnings where we are satisfied that we are indeed dealing with a fraudster as it is not in the interest of business locking accounts of proper, bona fide players.

In this particular case the OP opened multiple accounts, using the details of friends she had invited to her Facebook page. She then attempted to change the personal details and e-mail addresses afterwards to that of her own. All these "different" players shared the same identifiers, same passwords, purchasing accounts and played exactly the same games.

She disputed the issue with eCOGRA who also turned down her dispute.

Her accounts will remain locked and she has been put onto a central negative database to prevent her from defrauding other casinos as well.

I hope this clears up this issue.

Regards

Wim

FL representative replies seem inconsistent. First they claim that a group of players used same "purchasing accounts" (what additional prove do you need if you have this one? ). And later he asks the OP if he already has sent his documents to the casino.

 

[chuchu59]

I made a PAB 2 hours ago.

Am I allowed to still continue in discussion here with fellow members?

Of course you can continue discussing as long as you are willing to wave your money goodbye. Many of us here have come across bogus players fraudsters who are all too happy to proclaim innocence and bash whoever stand in their way. They are afraid of being caught out once the PAB runs its course and they wont be able to grab their winnings. From the little trust I had in you its now 0 as you seemed too eager to claim you are innocent and from experience its normally the opposite.

 

[maxd]

Some Casinos just do not like to be fair to players who win so big I take it.

I'm sorry If I offended him or you ... I did not slate them in any way.

See above, you can't slag a casino off that way and expect there will be no repercussions. Speak crap expect pain. Simples.

And you didn't "offend" us, you've pissed us off by being a PITA. Big difference.

Please Excuse me for breaking the rules regarding PAB.

Did you read the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ before you merrily kept on posting AFTER you'd filed your PAB? Obviously not. So you are ignoring our advice here and in the FAQ AND you want us to help you. How exactly does that make sense to you?

As to your PAB my curiousity is peaked so in spite of your misbehaviours I am going to pursue the thing to its conclusion. And yes that means having evidence before me to base the decision on, as the FAQ makes clear (did I mention you should have read it? ).

Also, thread title changed, wouldn't want it to adversely affect your PAB.

 

[DepositSpinLose]

up and up

all I can say about platinum play is good cs and always pays. total trust in Platinum and group!

 

[Nifty29]

Strap yourselves in!

 

[DepositSpinLose]

come on nifty

come on Whole Mighty Nifty....gotta be more than that.

like everyone says here, play where you are comfortable and nowhere else.

meister is doing what he always felt is right!


oh did anyone ever mention on the topic that when you win a bit IT IS NATURAL TO RAISE BET BECAUSE YOUR MIND ALWAYS SAYS YOU WILL WIN AGAIN.....your mind will over write your common sense and this is what happens to most players/wagers. it's just a thing that occurs in our minds.

 

[The Dude]

The guy PABd - Wim responded with damning evidence - the guy is a fraudster trying to drum up a torch and pitchfork crew here.

My suggestion for Joe: take a long walk on a short pier. Thanks!

 

[kieranbkieran]

So what exactly did the OP do? FL made several excuses. I personally think its biased here towards FL and some other groups because I lost a PAB before when I broke no terms.

I suppose I will be banned for expressing my opinion but hey that's what I thought Forums were for right????

 

[chuchu59]

So what exactly did the OP do? FL made several excuses. I personally think its biased here towards FL and some other groups because I lost a PAB before when I broke no terms.

I suppose I will be banned for expressing my opinion but hey that's what I thought Forums were for right????

The OP was not trying to provide any evidence to prove that the identifiers were just coincidence. Instead he tried to stir emotions with no real proof. FL can and did err in the past but you take the bull by the horns and prove that the 'personal identifiers' are wrong and not just shout innocence.

Don't try to be a martyr. This forum never bans people for expressing opinions . In fact Bryan and co. are extremely tolerant but will ban spammers and fraudsters. As for forums being an avenue for expressing opinions that's correct but we cannot allow fraudsters to make use of forums to coerce casinos to pay.

 

[Nifty29]

So what exactly did the OP do? FL made several excuses. I personally think its biased here towards FL and some other groups because I lost a PAB before when I broke no terms.

I suppose I will be banned for expressing my opinion but hey that's what I thought Forums were for right????

Kieranbkieran.....joe90joe......unusual usernames with the same pattern. Weird. Live very close by too...spooky.

Anyway, the OP has been PROVEN as a fraudster. You will NOT be seeing this evidence, but Max and Bryan have seen it. So, you either take their word for it, or you don't. If you don't, then what are you doing being a member of a forum run by liars?

FL have a proven track record of integrity and fair treatment of GENUINE players with GENUINE issues.

Why do you want to know exactly what the OP did wrong kieran? Sometimes people ask because it helps them cheat better next time.

 

[kieranbkieran]

Yes I know the OP personally and I showed him what its all about here and told him to join. Asif the OP opened up all these accounts yet PP said 'Irregular play' surely they would not even respond to a fraudster or call the police if he is defrauding Facebook friends and breaking the law?

I'm not buying it.

 

[Nifty29]

Yes I know the OP personally and I showed him what its all about here and told him to join. Asif the OP opened up all these accounts yet PP said 'Irregular play' surely they would not even respond to a fraudster or call the police if he is defrauding Facebook friends and breaking the law?

I'm not buying it.

Yeah, of course you're not buying it.

You know exactly what they are doing.....could it be that you were in on it too? Why would you and "he/she" use the same username format even?

You/your buddy have been rumbled. Get over it.

OH YEAH....and the CASINO did NOT say "Irregular PLAY".....it was "Irregular ACTIVITY". Big difference. The only people saying "Irregular play" were those who didn't read the thread properly earlier in the discussion, and who tried to make it about something else, when it clearly was NOT about how they played...but then, you know this, don't you.

 

[kieranbkieran]

Yeah, of course you're not buying it.

You know exactly what they are doing.....could it be that you were in on it too? Why would you and "he/she" use the same username format even?

You/your buddy have been rumbled. Get over it.

Yeah the OP is such a fraudster the numpty used a similar username to me to sign up here. Common sense would see him not be so obvious. As I said I know the OP personally and suggested he joined here.

Nifty I see in everyone's thread how biased you are towards players who win money. Maybe your jealous because the money you are earning to be biased is not as big as what players are winning

Have a good day. Goodbye

 

[Nifty29]

Yeah the OP is such a fraudster the numpty used a similar username to me to sign up here. Common sense would see him not be so obvious. As I said I know the OP personally and suggested he joined here.

Nifty I see in everyone's thread how biased you are towards players who win money. Maybe your jealous because the money you are earning to be biased is not as big as what players are winning

Have a good day. Goodbye

Who said fraudsters weren't numpties? Most of them are dumb as a box of hammers, which is why they end up being caught.

Oh...and it should be "Maybe you're jealous because...". What was that about being a numpty?

Yes, I get paid by every casino everywhere to be biased towards them, as it has a huge bearing on the outcome of every dispute and actually forces independent services like Casinomeister to go along with everything I say without question. You see, it isn't about the money for me, it's about the POWER!!!!!!

 

[kieranbkieran]

LOLLLL @ NIFTY. You are so Powerful, I'm not here to argue. I'm just saying should the Casino not call the Police because If I was being Frauded I would like the Casino to report the person or persons involved. Its scarey knowing that people out there actually do this at online Casinos or do they....

 

[The Dude]

FL representative replies seem inconsistent. First they claim that a group of players used same "purchasing accounts" (what additional prove do you need if you have this one? ). And later he asks the OP if he already has sent his documents to the casino.

What dog do you have in this fight? None. You have been here long enough to know that fraudsters sign up here regularly when they get caught out by the casino hoping to stoke some fire - and especially to try and figure out how they got caught. Don't be so naive - you have enough experience in this forum to detect this pattern. Nifty has it - why don't you?

So what exactly did the OP do? FL made several excuses. I personally think its biased here towards FL and some other groups because I lost a PAB before when I broke no terms.

I suppose I will be banned for expressing my opinion but hey that's what I thought Forums were for right????

Don't be a troll. Of course we won't tell you how he got caught. Most of these guys aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer and they make dumb mistakes. If anyone were to tell you what the mistakes were - then they would quit making them.

 

[chuchu59]

Actually the casino already disclosed some of the identifiers - password, games played..... There could be others but IMHO some fraudsters are not the wily guys they could have been. Look they are even using similar username types as caught out by Nifty. So if one intends to be a fraudster be smart about it.

 

[skiny]

I could see this coming. He seemed more concerned with getting forum member support than actually clearing up the problem.

Guys help me out here. how can I prove he is LYING?

I think when most honest players run into trouble with reputable casinos they assume there is a mistake. They don't immediately accuse the casino of lying.

 

[Sovietsky]

I don't get it what is the point of doing a PAB if you are a fraud? All the evidence will come out eventually. Is it to try to "harm" the casino as much as possible or is it just that some people are that stupid that they think they can bypass the PAB?

 

[cptwilk]

this is all interesting for me as a newbie here, iv never had a complaint with a casino yet i read the PAB rules when i first joined out of curiosity, how anyone can think they can cheat it is beyond me.
anyone with the slightest knowledge of social engineering can read into this joes responses as desparation bordering on witchhunt kinda funny really as i had slight sympathy at first tempered by his language to make it slim to none sympathy everything else has just been entertainment after the first couple of posts (am i a bad person for thinking that? ) as for nifty... dude i love your posts would hate to get into a debate with you

 

[kieranbkieran]

I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

 

[bsilva028]

I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

dont forget, if the OP dont make the proof of everything he/she says, it will not be the casino in bad hands, just an advice

 

[skiny]

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

Being rejected here is irrelevant. He has little hope if they look at the same evidence.

 

[chuchu59]

I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

Warning people on what? I would say that this is a warning to fraudsters: If you cheat you get caught. You do not seem to be the honest third party you claim to be. Obviously you have vested interests and it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination to think you may be part of the fraud clan as you keep backing the OP with no substance whatsoever. The 2K weren't winnings as the OP was involved in fraudulent accounts. You have been active ever since the OP was banned. Hmmmm.

 

[maxd]

As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

The OP may still be "fighting" but the evidence we've seen STRONGLY supports the casino's decision against him. Championing his cause is flogging a dead horse: based on overwhelming evidence we're convinced he's guilty as accused and fully deserved to be tossed to the curb because of his activities.

If you consider him a friend then you'd best get him to tell you the truth about his gaming activities because you championing his cause can and will get you tarred with the same brush, assuming you persist. Fraudsters move in packs and if you're hanging out with fraudsters and defending their actions -- however well-intentioned that may be -- then you are asking to be lumped in with that crowd and treated accordingly.

In other words, watch the company you keep because you may well be taken to be one of them. As I've said, the fraudsters move in packs and that's also how they are hunted. When casinos and dispute investigators start looking into these things they start with a known fraudster and then look at who they are hanging out with. If that includes you then you are pretty much painting a target on your back. Does that suck? Maybe, depends on who you talk to I guess, but it is the way it is and you're pissing into the wind if you pretend otherwise.

 

[The Dude]

I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

I just wanted to add that the OP submitted a PAB where he agreed that the casino would share with us his personal player data and the evidence they had for fraud. The evidence that you are seeing here in the public forum is really nothing. Like Max said - what we've seen it's overwhelming.

The only shady thing going on here are players who cheat.

 

[kieranbkieran]

Well Max I am not in a Pack and I am not a Fraudster. I just know a little more than other people here about the OP.

Question to the FL Rep - Will there be any action taken regarding the frauding?

Maybe you should contact the police and report this. The OP could be doing this at other Casinos aswel! Surely you have enough evidence to have him charged with fraud, I say contact them immediately.

 

[fortunelounge]

Well Max I am not in a Pack and I am not a Fraudster. I just know a little more than other people here about the OP.

Question to the FL Rep - Will there be any action taken regarding the frauding?

Maybe you should contact the police and report this. The OP could be doing this at other Casinos aswel! Surely you have enough evidence to have him charged with fraud, I say contact them immediately.

We have already taken all the action we normally take in cases of fraud.

 

[kieranbkieran]

I think it will look really good on your behalf if you contact those people who's personal details have been illegally used to on an Online Casino and warn them even!? Its scary to think people actually do this. Imagine you or someone you knew was a victim of fraud you would appreciate someone reporting it.

Another question to the Rep. If the the OP sent in his ID documents does that mean he is not being frauded but he is the fraudster?

REPORT HIM AND HAVE HIM LOCKED UP

 

[homerbert]

imo, let people go to jail for fraud in casinos is very strict Just imagine, probably the fraudster made mistake or something like that, and what? You ready to broke his life because he try to cheat casinos? For me this is not cool. Of course i did not defend fraudsters, just my opinion here.

 

[chuchu59]

imo, let people go to jail for fraud in casinos is very strict Just imagine, probably the fraudster made mistake or something like that, and what? You ready to broke his life because he try to cheat casinos? For me this is not cool. Of course i did not defend fraudsters, just my opinion here.

You really believe him?

 

[homerbert]

You really believe him?

to whom?
OP?
kieranbkieran?
actually does not believe them both

 

[kieranbkieran]

imo, let people go to jail for fraud in casinos is very strict Just imagine, probably the fraudster made mistake or something like that, and what? You ready to broke his life because he try to cheat casinos? For me this is not cool. Of course i did not defend fraudsters, just my opinion here.

This does not sound like the OP made a mistake. It sounds like some big operation to cheat PP. Anyway Fraud is Fraud and should be dealt with as a LAW BREAK. Imagine all the other things the OP could be doing with peoples personal details..

 

[maxd]

There seems to be some confusion regarding the word "fraud". When casino people and folks like us say "fraud" readers assume we mean the type of fraud that is prosecuted in courts and puts people in jail. Those acts of fraud are well known to lawmakers and the legal systems of civilised countries have adapted to those known acts by putting laws in place to punish them. Even then, countries differ rather widely in what they classify as fraud and what they are willing and/or able to do about it. What is classed as fraud and will land you in prison in your country may not be the same in my country, etc.

But as we all know the online casino world is NOT well estastablished and well known to lawmakers. In fact most major democracies around the world are struggling to understand the internet itself never mind internet gaming. As such there is basically no court in the world that is prepared to handle cases of i-gaming fraud, not yet. The laws aren't there because the basic concepts are not at all well understood by the lawmakers. Those types of decisions are left to the people in the industry, for better or worse, so saying "prosecute him" is a fundamental misunderstanding of where i-gaming it at in terms of its place on the legal radar of most countries.

The bottom line is that we handle these cases as best we can given our experience and knowledge of how i-gaming works. This is a large part of the reason why we try to do these things collectively, more eyes of skilled professionals on the case means less likelihood of hopelessly scewed decision-making. That may not be the answer that people want to hear but I believe it's a fair and truthful description of where things are at, more or less.

Finally I would caution -- for the millionth time -- against assuming that you know what we know about these types of cases. You don't and you won't, not unless you get a job in the industry and start learning the ropes. Bryan and I have over 25 years experience in this business between us, some of our collegues at the casinos have similar credentials. When you can say the same -- or thereabouts -- then you'll be qualified to make a few (cautious) assumptions, until then you're just huffing and puffing, probably because you want the attention.

 

[Nifty29]

This does not sound like the OP made a mistake. It sounds like some big operation to cheat PP. Anyway Fraud is Fraud and should be dealt with as a LAW BREAK. Imagine all the other things the OP could be doing with peoples personal details..

The matter is over.

The more you bang on about it, the more suss you appear (if that's possible)

Pretending that you don't know a thing about what happened and what "your mate" did isn't fooling anyone.