Bogus Complaint joe90joe VS Platinum Play

[kieranbkieran]

Thanks for the clearing that up Max in terms of fraud in the Igaming. Now I understand why PP do not press charges, but is this not common courtesy for PP to atleast report the OP and others involved or frauded to UK Police. Maybe more will come from the polices investigation. I know that here in the UK if what PP say is true than the OP is breaking 'The Fraud Act 2006'. After all its only a simple phone call and an email with evidence.

Could it be that PP do not have the sufficient evidence to report the OP but had enough evidence to remove winnings won at their Casino and label him a fraudster.

 

[kieranbkieran]

The matter is over.

The more you bang on about it, the more suss you appear (if that's possible)

Pretending that you don't know a thing about what happened and what "your mate" did isn't fooling anyone.

Nifty I am sharing my opinion in a forum, if you do not like it stop reading the thread. No I am not here trying to fool people. The case is closed for the OP what would me continuing to express opinion here do to help him?

You make alot of bold accusations Nifty, is that allowed here in the rules?

 

[fortunelounge]

Thanks for the clearing that up Max in terms of fraud in the Igaming. Now I understand why PP do not press charges, but is this not common courtesy for PP to atleast report the OP and others involved or frauded to UK Police. Maybe more will come from the polices investigation. I know that here in the UK if what PP say is true than the OP is breaking 'The Fraud Act 2006'. After all its only a simple phone call and an email with evidence.

Could it be that PP do not have the sufficient evidence to report the OP but had enough evidence to remove winnings won at their Casino and label him a fraudster.

I can see where you are going with this but as already said... we have done what we have always done in the past.

 

[chuchu59]

The matter is over.

The more you bang on about it, the more suss you appear (if that's possible)

Pretending that you don't know a thing about what happened and what "your mate" did isn't fooling anyone.

Wow seemingly an angel the guy is NOT.

 

[Nifty29]

Thanks for the clearing that up Max in terms of fraud in the Igaming. Now I understand why PP do not press charges, but is this not common courtesy for PP to atleast report the OP and others involved or frauded to UK Police. Maybe more will come from the polices investigation. I know that here in the UK if what PP say is true than the OP is breaking 'The Fraud Act 2006'. After all its only a simple phone call and an email with evidence.

Could it be that PP do not have the sufficient evidence to report the OP but had enough evidence to remove winnings won at their Casino and label him a fraudster.

Could it be that you're fishing for information from Max to assist your friend in his future endeavours?

I mean, given that the issue is closed, what's the point of harping on about this "tell it to the marines" nonsense?

IMO you're trying to discredit FL and their evidence by suggesting it is insufficient to bring charges etc, whilst hoping that they will let something slip about how they caught him/her in the act.

If you want to know what happened...ask your buddy.

You know what they say about lying down with dogs....

 

[maxd]

Could it be that PP do not have the sufficient evidence to report the OP but had enough evidence to remove winnings won at their Casino and label him a fraudster.

You didn't really read what I said did you? I don't know what the 2006 Fraud Act covers but I seriously doubt it is as applicable to i-gaming as you think. And holding up some arbitrary bit of legislation as the yardstick by which we in the industry should evaluate our cases is, again, a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of i-gaming and the law.

You want to impose an outside definition of "fraud" on an industry you neither know nor understand. Whatever the origins of that agenda it has little to do with casinos trying to catch and block people who are trying to cheat them. In fact I think you've told us your agenda, you say you know the guy and are trying to stand up for him. Big of you but you're barking up the wrong tree on several counts: wrong guy, wrong tree, and your bark is suspiciously biased.

 

[kieranbkieran]

I can see where you are going with this but as already said... we have done what we have always done in the past.

Nice work. I no I will never play at any Casino's from your group again.

Like I said, Shady.

 

[kieranbkieran]

You didn't really read what I said did you? I don't know what the 2006 Fraud Act covers but I seriously doubt it is as applicable to i-gaming as you think. And holding up some arbitrary bit of legislation as the yardstick by which we in the industry should evaluate our cases is, again, a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of i-gaming and the law.

You want to impose an outside definition of "fraud" on an industry you neither know nor understand. Whatever the origins of that agenda it has little to do with casinos trying to catch and block people who are trying to cheat them. In fact I think you've told us your agenda, you say you know the guy and are trying to stand up for him. Big of you but you're barking up the wrong tree on several counts: wrong guy, wrong tree, and your bark is suspiciously biased.

I do understand that which is why I said would it not be common courtesy to inform the UK police as the OP could be doing other fraud than just online Casinos. Who's to say we are not just discussing Igaming fraud and the OP is at home frauding bank accounts or taking loans with someone else's details. Wake Up.

 

[kieranbkieran]

Could it be that you're fishing for information from Max to assist your friend in his future endeavours?

Please show me one question I have asked which sounds like I am trying to help my so called friend in his future endeavours?

I am on the side of all players who have had this same issue from FL groups as I have been reading over the past 2 days.

 

[MisterBJ]

The matter is over.

The more you bang on about it, the more suss you appear (if that's possible)

Pretending that you don't know a thing about what happened and what "your mate" did isn't fooling anyone.

I agree, Hopefully a MOD will stick a fork in this thread. CASE CLOSED!

 

[chuchu59]

Could it be that you're fishing for information from Max to assist your friend in his future endeavours?

Please show me one question I have asked which sounds like I am trying to help my so called friend in his future endeavours?

I am on the side of all players who have had this same issue from FL groups as I have been reading over the past 2 days.

Re-read your own posts. I think there is at least half a dozen.

 

[maxd]

I do understand that which is why I said would it not be common courtesy to inform the UK police as the OP could be doing other fraud than just online Casinos. Who's to say we are not just discussing Igaming fraud and the OP is at home frauding bank accounts or taking loans with someone else's details. Wake Up.

Again you are making assumptions about the nature of the OPs activities. Again I remind you that you clearly have no clue as to what the OPs activities were, or at least what got him busted. Your calls for prosecution are clearly your personal agenda and you're not listening to much else. So who's not awake here, insults aside? We're going around in circles and I think this is pretty much where I get off the bus.

 

[The Dude]

Nice work. I no I will never play at any Casino's from your group again.

Like I said, Shady.

Okay - now you've entered trollville. Knock it off.

The casino group is massive, and relatively speaking - they have very few complaints. Wim has been a member here for over a decade, and he's probably one of the best operations managers in the business.

 

[kieranbkieran]

I do have a clue what the OP did. The FL Rep stated here. The OP frauded accounts from his facebook friends (

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) and changed email addresses and passwords. However the OP still deny's this and insists no password or email change ever occurred on his account.

Instead of knowing what the OP did can we know the evidence which was provided that supports PP claim?

 

[maxd]

… can we know the evidence which was provided that supports PP claim?

Obviously not. Read the PAB FAQ, case info is private and confidential. As if you didn't already know that.

I believe this is what Nifty was referring to when he said you were fishing for info to aid your buddy's activities.

*exiting the bus*

 

[kieranbkieran]

I am too getting of the bus. I think its now obvious what's going on here.

 

[bsilva028]

I am too getting of the bus. I think its now obvious what's going on here.

your "mate" makes a fraud to the casino, DOT.

yes OP should be penalized in ALL the online gambling, and those who defend and protects the fraudsters also.

players (including me) want casinos to be honnest, to give good bonuses, to pay fast etc....
making a casino loose time with cases like this does not help to get that.
IMO = player must be honnest to the casino and casino to the player also, a mistake can happen in both sides its true, but it was not the case.

this specific case is related to FL group, but, if was another group, it was the same thing.

 

[The Dude]

I am too getting of the bus. I think its now obvious what's going on here.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious what's going on here. A player got caught defrauding a casino. You are here continuing the fight hoping that someone will spill the beans on how he got caught. You're also making troll posts - I've already asked you to knock it off.

We are proponents of freedom of expression, but I don't appreciate the not-so-veiled insinuations. Don't be such a jerk.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I do have a clue what the OP did. The FL Rep stated here. The OP frauded accounts from his facebook friends (

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) and changed email addresses and passwords. However the OP still deny's this and insists no password or email change ever occurred on his account.

Instead of knowing what the OP did can we know the evidence which was provided that supports PP claim?

Wouldn't that mean YOU have been used by your "friend" too? You are far better placed, as a victim, to make a complaint to the police on the matter. It's not the police that decide to prosecute in any case, but the Crown Prosecution service. This decision will be based on the evidence available, and may not even go ahead. A corporation, especially one based offshore, has a harder time than a fellow citizen in getting the police interested.

If you are so keen to throw your friend under the bus, report him yourself. I expect he already knows you are trying your best to get him run over by said omnibus, as even though he has been banned, he can still read this thread as a guest (you might want to lock your door at night if you don't already do so).

You could also report him to Facebook for making friend requests in "bad faith".

Do you know whether he utilised the recent bug in Facebook that could allow the leakage of private data about friends and friends of friends when downloading your own personal data archive?

This could be the first case of someone actually managing to use this bug to commit fraud, something Facebook have denied is a realistic risk, even though many disagree and believe that there have been some harvests of data from this exploit that will be used for future frauds.

Using stolen identities would be something that the police would take seriously, but they would need to be able to gather enough evidence to convince the CPS to spend taxpayers' money on a case. The regular police probably don't have the expertise for this, so it would have to be the Cyber crime unit, and they tend to concentrate on bigger cases, rather than the odd individual who got caught before any real damage was done.

 

[Playforfun]

Cool PITA rule Bryan. Thanks god no such rule for casinos

Ok.

Oh dear


I may not call you a fraudster, but I can make a clear and concise decision that you are a pain in the ass and are violating our venerated rules - specifically rule 1.18:


https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/

Tread carefully.

 

[kieranbkieran]

Once again let me confirm I am not involved in such groups who operate to fraud people's details at online Casinos nor am I trying to get info or spill any beans about how its done. I asked for evidence to prove he is guilty but as Max said it is private between the party's within the PAB. Fair enough rules are rules.

I feel I have been trolled in this thread but other posters have not been warned. That is not fair.

@ vinylweatherman - The OP deny's any wrong doing and the claims made about Facebook. Also if you read my comments you would of seen I did not suggest the OP to be charged with frauding a corporation in Malta. I said that with the sort of personal info the OP supposedly has of other people than he/she could commit more serious cases of fraud and that PP should report and provide some evidence to the police, and NOT TO ME, by email even (as like you said they are from Malta).

 

[dunover]

Once again let me confirm I am not involved in such groups who operate to fraud people's details at online Casinos nor am I trying to get info or spill any beans about how its done. I asked for evidence to prove he is guilty but as Max said it is private between the party's within the PAB. Fair enough rules are rules.

I feel I have been trolled in this thread but other posters have not been warned. That is not fair.

@ vinylweatherman - The OP deny's any wrong doing and the claims made about Facebook. Also if you read my comments you would of seen I did not suggest the OP to be charged with frauding a corporation in Malta. I said that with the sort of personal info the OP supposedly has of other people than he/she could commit more serious cases of fraud and that PP should report and provide some evidence to the police, and NOT TO ME, by email even (as like you said they are from Malta).

Please. If you knew anything about law, you'd know that the burden of proof is much heavier and more exact for a criminal prosecution than a civil case. So talk about the Police is frankly ludicrous. You will not win. You cannot win. You are flogging the proverbial dead horse.

Take the hint - you've been told FL is right by the PAB team who have ALL the information, not just what you've been led to believe by your 'friend'. The info is confidential. You won't ever see it, or have it explained. Neither will the rest of us. This tosh has surely run its course now.
Let it go mate.

 

[kieranbkieran]

Let what go? I am owed nothing from Fortune Lounge Group and never will.

I will stop defending the OP now because its clearly getting me into situations here. Remember only The Op, Max, Admin people here and PP know the real thruth. My Opinion favours the OP as I know him but there are sheep's here who without even seeing any evidence supporting PP claims are trolling the OP. The OP is looking into flying to Malta to take this to a European Small Claims Court, so it will be interesting to see how this prevails now.

 

[cptwilk]

not gonna post here again as its getting to be a trolly thread now, just want to respond to your coment kieran... it happened to me for £200 (not as much but still a decent amount of money) i put evidence in place imediatly and the matter was resolved within 20 mins aswell as a goodwill amount extra. the key thing is i dealt with it resonably not pointing fingers and stated my case without resorting to whinging and calling names and if it ever happened again now im a member here i have enough confidence in the impartiality and respect of this site to know what i say will be dealt with fairly aswell as good advice given to me once again the key is how you come across and ask for the advice and listen to it, your friend never put all his cards on the table he never really answered a question straight and constantly broke rules hence he never got the support he desparatly craved personally i think your the same guy just cant be arsed to dox your ass for the lulz. anywho good luck peace out

 

[vinylweatherman]

Let what go? I am owed nothing from Fortune Lounge Group and never will.

I will stop defending the OP now because its clearly getting me into situations here. Remember only The Op, Max, Admin people here and PP know the real thruth. My Opinion favours the OP as I know him but there are sheep's here who without even seeing any evidence supporting PP claims are trolling the OP. The OP is looking into flying to Malta to take this to a European Small Claims Court, so it will be interesting to see how this prevails now.

It certainly will be, but the cost of taking action would surely exceed the sum that is disputed.

If the OP is bluffing, he will have to make it look convincing, and that will cost.

If PP cave in instead of allowing things to reach court, it will set a precedent, and so the OP should not rely on PP folding.

It is also possible that the OP will be arrested for fraud in Malta after the evidence PP have is heard in said court, so he had better book time off work and take plenty of money.

 

[kieranbkieran]

It certainly will be, but the cost of taking action would surely exceed the sum that is disputed.

If the OP is bluffing, he will have to make it look convincing, and that will cost.

If PP cave in instead of allowing things to reach court, it will set a precedent, and so the OP should not rely on PP folding.

It is also possible that the OP will be arrested for fraud in Malta after the evidence PP have is heard in said court, so he had better book time off work and take plenty of money.

Maybe so.. or maybe the OP has been thruthfull the whole way through which would result in big consequence's for PP and all court costs reimbursed.

Just saying.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Maybe so.. or maybe the OP has been thruthfull the whole way through which would result in big consequence's for PP and all court costs reimbursed.

Just saying.

My money's on it being a bluff.

I have seen players lose far more, but decide flying to Malta to take it to court is not worth the hassle.

The OP also has an awful lot of facebook friends, and it is against the rules to go around trying to collect loads of friends by sending friend requests to people you don't know.

It also provides circumstantial evidence to support PP's allegation.

 

[chayton]

I will stop defending the OP now because its clearly getting me into situations here. Remember only The Op, Max, Admin people here and PP know the real thruth.

And eCOGRA where the OP took their case (and lost) first...

TBH I think that Fortune Lounge must have had some pretty damning evidence, they won't just close accounts on a whim. And chances are that the OP won't be able to open or play at any other Malta regulated casino from now on either. So IMO it's done and dusted...time to move on.

 

[kieranbkieran]

My money's on it being a bluff.

I have seen players lose far more, but decide flying to Malta to take it to court is not worth the hassle.

The OP also has an awful lot of facebook friends, and it is against the rules to go around trying to collect loads of friends by sending friend requests to people you don't know.

It also provides circumstantial evidence to support PP's allegation.

He has 200 Friends on Facebook. For me that is not an awful lot, that is below average in the World of Facebook. Did PP link any of their users to his Facebook Friends? I have not seen any proof.

 

[cptwilk]

seriously dude leave it, flogging this dead horse here will get you nowhere no more info will be forthcoming only backwards and forwards exchanges of meaningless speculation, go to malta and post here the result and good luck with it but other than that there is nothing more to say here....

 

[kieranbkieran]

I agree! Leave it now, its just exchanges of opinions. That's what forums are for. I will post here if I hear any conclusion about OP flying to Malta and if I was wrong I will gladly let you all rip into me. Haha

Its been emotional guys. I'm outey

 

[skiny]

Let what go? I am owed nothing from Fortune Lounge Group and never will.

I will stop defending the OP now because its clearly getting me into situations here. Remember only The Op, Max, Admin people here and PP know the real thruth. My Opinion favours the OP as I know him but there are sheep's here who without even seeing any evidence supporting PP claims are trolling the OP. The OP is looking into flying to Malta to take this to a European Small Claims Court, so it will be interesting to see how this prevails now.

Your "friend" was accused of fraud by a reputable casino. He submitted a complaint to eCogra and lost. He submitted a PAB here and lost. He is a new member here and acted belligerent and sarcastic to other members while refusing to follow a few very simple rules. There is absolutely no reason at this point for anyone to believe he was innocent unless we're expected to believe that everyone involved is lying except him and he is capable of following rules everywhere except here. That's pretty far fetched.

So where exactly do you get off calling anyone here sheep because they're using their own good common sense instead of jumping on your failed bandwagon attempt?

 

[kieranbkieran]

Can PP please show evidence supporting the OP took a dispute to Ecogra? Then the OP is a Liar because he insists to me everything he said here was true and he stated here he had no claim or correspondence with Ecogra.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Can PP please show evidence supporting the OP took a dispute to Ecogra? Then the OP is a Liar because he insists to me everything he said here was true and he stated here he had no claim or correspondence with Ecogra.

How do you come to know the OP?

How WELL do you know the OP?


He could be stringing you along too, having you do his "dirty work" in defending him here, which will have an impact on YOUR reputation as well as his.

 

[Igor82]

Yes I know the OP personally and I showed him what its all about here and told him to join. Asif the OP opened up all these accounts yet PP said 'Irregular play' surely they would not even respond to a fraudster or call the police if he is defrauding Facebook friends and breaking the law?

I'm not buying it.

Bryan, is it possible to check IP addresses of the forum users - where they log in from? I can imagine just how MANY 'friends' turn out to be the same person.

 

[dionysus]

Yup, easy peasy

 

[chayton]

Can PP please show evidence supporting the OP took a dispute to Ecogra? Then the OP is a Liar because he insists to me everything he said here was true and he stated here he had no claim or correspondence with Ecogra.

It was probably another player with the same name and account number and the same $ amount.

lol sorry but this is just inane. If your 'friend' didn't go to eCOGRA before then why doesn't he/she do it now and prove us all wrong? It's a hell of a lot cheaper than flying to Malta or whatever ridiculous thing you're going on about.

 

[The Dude]

Bryan, is it possible to check IP addresses of the forum users - where they log in from? I can imagine just how MANY 'friends' turn out to be the same person.

Actually, when you visit this website, a cookie is uploaded on your computer that installs a micro-camera in your monitor so we know who is who. The cool thing is that we can watch you anytime you're online and record your activities. (shame on you skiny). In a few months we'll make a compilation of highlights and post it on youtube.

It was probably another player with the same name and account number and the same $ amount.

lol sorry but this is just inane. If your 'friend' didn't go to eCOGRA before then why doesn't he/she do it now and prove us all wrong? It's a hell of a lot cheaper than flying to Malta or whatever ridiculous thing you're going on about.

It was one of the other 49 accounts. As soon as her eCOGRA claim failed, joe chimed in here. That's why Wim thought he was a she at first.

 

[Balthazar]

we can watch you anytime you're online and record your activities. (shame on you skiny).

 

[chayton]

Casinomeister's youtube vids are always so eye-opening.

 

[skiny]

Actually, when you visit this website, a cookie is uploaded on your computer that installs a micro-camera in your monitor so we know who is who. The cool thing is that we can watch you anytime you're online and record your activities. (shame on you skiny)

My webcam fell down behind my desk 2 years ago.

If you don't believe me check out my video blog at www.stuffthatfallsdownbehindskinysdesk.com

There's no sound so you just have to kind of stare at it until something happens.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Actually, when you visit this website, a cookie is uploaded on your computer that installs a micro-camera in your monitor so we know who is who. The cool thing is that we can watch you anytime you're online and record your activities. (shame on you skiny). In a few months we'll make a compilation of highlights and post it on youtube.


It was one of the other 49 accounts. As soon as her eCOGRA claim failed, joe chimed in here. That's why Wim thought he was a she at first.

It wouldn't stand a chance with me, it would get eaten before it had a chance to install anything

 

[The Dude]

Me thinks it's time to put a fork in this thread.

Forkified.