Bogus Complaint joe90joe VS Platinum Play

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Yes I know the OP personally and I showed him what its all about here and told him to join. Asif the OP opened up all these accounts yet PP said 'Irregular play' surely they would not even respond to a fraudster or call the police if he is defrauding Facebook friends and breaking the law?

I'm not buying it.
 
Yes I know the OP personally and I showed him what its all about here and told him to join. Asif the OP opened up all these accounts yet PP said 'Irregular play' surely they would not even respond to a fraudster or call the police if he is defrauding Facebook friends and breaking the law?

I'm not buying it.

Yeah, of course you're not buying it.

You know exactly what they are doing.....could it be that you were in on it too? Why would you and "he/she" use the same username format even?

You/your buddy have been rumbled. Get over it.

OH YEAH....and the CASINO did NOT say "Irregular PLAY".....it was "Irregular ACTIVITY". Big difference. The only people saying "Irregular play" were those who didn't read the thread properly earlier in the discussion, and who tried to make it about something else, when it clearly was NOT about how they played...but then, you know this, don't you.
 
Yeah, of course you're not buying it.

You know exactly what they are doing.....could it be that you were in on it too? Why would you and "he/she" use the same username format even?

You/your buddy have been rumbled. Get over it.

Yeah the OP is such a fraudster the numpty used a similar username to me to sign up here. :rolleyes: Common sense would see him not be so obvious. As I said I know the OP personally and suggested he joined here.

Nifty I see in everyone's thread how biased you are towards players who win money. Maybe your jealous because the money you are earning to be biased is not as big as what players are winning ;)

Have a good day. Goodbye
 
Yeah the OP is such a fraudster the numpty used a similar username to me to sign up here. :rolleyes: Common sense would see him not be so obvious. As I said I know the OP personally and suggested he joined here.

Nifty I see in everyone's thread how biased you are towards players who win money. Maybe your jealous because the money you are earning to be biased is not as big as what players are winning ;)

Have a good day. Goodbye

Who said fraudsters weren't numpties? Most of them are dumb as a box of hammers, which is why they end up being caught.

Oh...and it should be "Maybe you're jealous because...". What was that about being a numpty?

Yes, I get paid by every casino everywhere to be biased towards them, as it has a huge bearing on the outcome of every dispute and actually forces independent services like Casinomeister to go along with everything I say without question. You see, it isn't about the money for me, it's about the POWER!!!!!!
 
LOLLLL @ NIFTY. You are so Powerful, I'm not here to argue. I'm just saying should the Casino not call the Police because If I was being Frauded I would like the Casino to report the person or persons involved. Its scarey knowing that people out there actually do this at online Casinos or do they....
 
FL representative replies seem inconsistent. First they claim that a group of players used same "purchasing accounts" (what additional prove do you need if you have this one? ). And later he asks the OP if he already has sent his documents to the casino.
What dog do you have in this fight? None. You have been here long enough to know that fraudsters sign up here regularly when they get caught out by the casino hoping to stoke some fire - and especially to try and figure out how they got caught. Don't be so naive - you have enough experience in this forum to detect this pattern. Nifty has it - why don't you?

So what exactly did the OP do? FL made several excuses. I personally think its biased here towards FL and some other groups because I lost a PAB before when I broke no terms.

I suppose I will be banned for expressing my opinion but hey that's what I thought Forums were for right????
Don't be a troll. Of course we won't tell you how he got caught. Most of these guys aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer and they make dumb mistakes. If anyone were to tell you what the mistakes were - then they would quit making them.
 
Actually the casino already disclosed some of the identifiers - password, games played..... There could be others but IMHO some fraudsters are not the wily guys they could have been. Look they are even using similar username types as caught out by Nifty. So if one intends to be a fraudster be smart about it.
 
I could see this coming. He seemed more concerned with getting forum member support than actually clearing up the problem.

Guys help me out here. how can I prove he is LYING?

I think when most honest players run into trouble with reputable casinos they assume there is a mistake. They don't immediately accuse the casino of lying.
 
I don't get it what is the point of doing a PAB if you are a fraud? All the evidence will come out eventually. Is it to try to "harm" the casino as much as possible or is it just that some people are that stupid that they think they can bypass the PAB?
 
this is all interesting for me as a newbie here, iv never had a complaint with a casino yet i read the PAB rules when i first joined out of curiosity, how anyone can think they can cheat it is beyond me.
anyone with the slightest knowledge of social engineering can read into this joes responses as desparation bordering on witchhunt kinda funny really as i had slight sympathy at first tempered by his language to make it slim to none sympathy everything else has just been entertainment after the first couple of posts (am i a bad person for thinking that? :D) as for nifty... dude i love your posts would hate to get into a debate with you :p
 
I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.
 
I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

dont forget, if the OP dont make the proof of everything he/she says, it will not be the casino in bad hands, just an advice
 
Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

Being rejected here is irrelevant. He has little hope if they look at the same evidence.
 
I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

Warning people on what? I would say that this is a warning to fraudsters: If you cheat you get caught. You do not seem to be the honest third party you claim to be. Obviously you have vested interests and it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination to think you may be part of the fraud clan as you keep backing the OP with no substance whatsoever. The 2K weren't winnings as the OP was involved in fraudulent accounts. You have been active ever since the OP was banned. Hmmmm.
 
As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

The OP may still be "fighting" but the evidence we've seen STRONGLY supports the casino's decision against him. Championing his cause is flogging a dead horse: based on overwhelming evidence we're convinced he's guilty as accused and fully deserved to be tossed to the curb because of his activities.

If you consider him a friend then you'd best get him to tell you the truth about his gaming activities because you championing his cause can and will get you tarred with the same brush, assuming you persist. Fraudsters move in packs and if you're hanging out with fraudsters and defending their actions -- however well-intentioned that may be -- then you are asking to be lumped in with that crowd and treated accordingly.

In other words, watch the company you keep because you may well be taken to be one of them. As I've said, the fraudsters move in packs and that's also how they are hunted. When casinos and dispute investigators start looking into these things they start with a known fraudster and then look at who they are hanging out with. If that includes you then you are pretty much painting a target on your back. Does that suck? Maybe, depends on who you talk to I guess, but it is the way it is and you're pissing into the wind if you pretend otherwise.
 
I happen to know that the OP shared several emails with PP support before joining here. This can explain the immediate action to get fellow gamblers on board and warn people if need be. How would you act if this happens to you cptwilk?

Its easy to understand the frustration for anyone having a dispute with an online casino for 2k winnings! OP is not the smartest tool in the box and he has no experience with situations like this but you guys have loads it seems. As a third party my honest opinion is PP reason mentioned in this thread was shady.

Op is still fighting this dispute but because they are regulated in Malta he has little hope now after being rejected here.

I just wanted to add that the OP submitted a PAB where he agreed that the casino would share with us his personal player data and the evidence they had for fraud. The evidence that you are seeing here in the public forum is really nothing. Like Max said - what we've seen it's overwhelming.

The only shady thing going on here are players who cheat.
 
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Well Max I am not in a Pack and I am not a Fraudster. I just know a little more than other people here about the OP.

Question to the FL Rep - Will there be any action taken regarding the frauding?

Maybe you should contact the police and report this. The OP could be doing this at other Casinos aswel! Surely you have enough evidence to have him charged with fraud, I say contact them immediately.
 
Well Max I am not in a Pack and I am not a Fraudster. I just know a little more than other people here about the OP.

Question to the FL Rep - Will there be any action taken regarding the frauding?

Maybe you should contact the police and report this. The OP could be doing this at other Casinos aswel! Surely you have enough evidence to have him charged with fraud, I say contact them immediately.

We have already taken all the action we normally take in cases of fraud.
 
I think it will look really good on your behalf if you contact those people who's personal details have been illegally used to on an Online Casino and warn them even!? Its scary to think people actually do this. Imagine you or someone you knew was a victim of fraud you would appreciate someone reporting it.

Another question to the Rep. If the the OP sent in his ID documents does that mean he is not being frauded but he is the fraudster?

REPORT HIM AND HAVE HIM LOCKED UP
 
imo, let people go to jail for fraud in casinos is very strict :( Just imagine, probably the fraudster made mistake or something like that, and what? You ready to broke his life because he try to cheat casinos? For me this is not cool. Of course i did not defend fraudsters, just my opinion here.
 
imo, let people go to jail for fraud in casinos is very strict :( Just imagine, probably the fraudster made mistake or something like that, and what? You ready to broke his life because he try to cheat casinos? For me this is not cool. Of course i did not defend fraudsters, just my opinion here.

You really believe him?
 
imo, let people go to jail for fraud in casinos is very strict :( Just imagine, probably the fraudster made mistake or something like that, and what? You ready to broke his life because he try to cheat casinos? For me this is not cool. Of course i did not defend fraudsters, just my opinion here.

This does not sound like the OP made a mistake. It sounds like some big operation to cheat PP. Anyway Fraud is Fraud and should be dealt with as a LAW BREAK. Imagine all the other things the OP could be doing with peoples personal details.. :mad:
 
There seems to be some confusion regarding the word "fraud". When casino people and folks like us say "fraud" readers assume we mean the type of fraud that is prosecuted in courts and puts people in jail. Those acts of fraud are well known to lawmakers and the legal systems of civilised countries have adapted to those known acts by putting laws in place to punish them. Even then, countries differ rather widely in what they classify as fraud and what they are willing and/or able to do about it. What is classed as fraud and will land you in prison in your country may not be the same in my country, etc.

But as we all know the online casino world is NOT well estastablished and well known to lawmakers. In fact most major democracies around the world are struggling to understand the internet itself never mind internet gaming. As such there is basically no court in the world that is prepared to handle cases of i-gaming fraud, not yet. The laws aren't there because the basic concepts are not at all well understood by the lawmakers. Those types of decisions are left to the people in the industry, for better or worse, so saying "prosecute him" is a fundamental misunderstanding of where i-gaming it at in terms of its place on the legal radar of most countries.

The bottom line is that we handle these cases as best we can given our experience and knowledge of how i-gaming works. This is a large part of the reason why we try to do these things collectively, more eyes of skilled professionals on the case means less likelihood of hopelessly scewed decision-making. That may not be the answer that people want to hear but I believe it's a fair and truthful description of where things are at, more or less.

Finally I would caution -- for the millionth time -- against assuming that you know what we know about these types of cases. You don't and you won't, not unless you get a job in the industry and start learning the ropes. Bryan and I have over 25 years experience in this business between us, some of our collegues at the casinos have similar credentials. When you can say the same -- or thereabouts -- then you'll be qualified to make a few (cautious) assumptions, until then you're just huffing and puffing, probably because you want the attention.
 
This does not sound like the OP made a mistake. It sounds like some big operation to cheat PP. Anyway Fraud is Fraud and should be dealt with as a LAW BREAK. Imagine all the other things the OP could be doing with peoples personal details.. :mad:



The matter is over.

The more you bang on about it, the more suss you appear (if that's possible)

Pretending that you don't know a thing about what happened and what "your mate" did isn't fooling anyone.
 
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