Jackpot won at Partycasino (?)

[theriver]

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Hello guys, first of all sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany - Hamburg.

Here's the deal, my best friend has won a jackpot on Partycasino, almost 1 million dollar!

Nice uh! Problem, they wouldn't let him cashout in once, because he i'sn't a VIP!
He only has a bronze level, so they let him cashout 25k a month! That's 4 years for all....

My friend really got a gambling problem so the money is going to be lost at the casino for sure.
They told him that if he would get 100k points he can cashout 75K that month!
Another 100k points for the next month etc...

So he started plaing like crazy, already dropped 200k!! On a VIP machine, 2k dollar per spin!!

What you guys think of this? ofcourse it's stupid for him to play but when you ship a jackpot you should get it immediately right??

 

[KasinoKing]

What you guys think of this? ofcourse it's stupid for him to play but when you ship a jackpot you should get it immediately right??

I think that if these limits are clearly spelled out in the T&Cs, then you have to accept it.
Of course, no-one expects that they are going to win such a huge amount, so most people probably wouldn't give such terms a second thought when they start playing.

I think most people here would be absolutely delighted to be getting $25K a month for 3 years - I know I would!

The problem here is not the casino, but your friend and you really need to try to persuade him to do the right thing. I would suggest he needs to completely stop all gambling and may even need counselling to help him with this problem. I don't even know the guy but I am very concerned for his future well being.
CasinoMeister has a very good section about problem gambling, you both should read it: https://www.casinomeister.com/quit-gambling/

KK

 

[Seventh777]

Well, if what you are saying is the truth then this is wrong, when a PJP is won the software provider pays the casino where it was won, so it`s a stalling technique so they milk the interest (I take it this win was a PJP yes?).

 

[theriver]

Yes it was a partycasino jackpot.

Offcouse I agree that it is his own responsibility to play or not to play it. But when they hold the money, offer you a 'deal' where he can cashout more if he plays more, don't they trigger him to play?

I know for sure he isn't going to make the 4 years! Luckily he probaply get 100k points so he can cashout more this month but that isn't the solution.

Nobody expects to win such a jackpot but when you do, you have to get patience and put your gambling feelings away for a long time.
For some people thats hard to do.

 

[Seventh777]

Yes it was a partycasino jackpot.

Offcouse I agree that it is his own responsibility to play or not to play it. But when they hold the money, offer you a 'deal' where he can cashout more if he plays more, don't they trigger him to play?

I know for sure he isn't going to make the 4 years! Luckily he probaply get 100k points so he can cashout more this month but that isn't the solution.

Nobody expects to win such a jackpot but when you do, you have to get patience and put your gambling feelings away for a long time.
For some people thats hard to do.

A rogue casino with nearly $1 million of someone`s cash in their bank, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we can all see where this will go, I would tell your friend to seek legal advice asap.

 

[chuchu59]

If your friend can afford a downpayment for a house/flat obtain a mortgage and have the money paid to the mortgage account to coincide with the instalment dates. This way the bank deducts the money immediately and your friend will not have access to the funds.

 

[Simmo!]

But when they hold the money, offer you a 'deal' where he can cashout more if he plays more, don't they trigger him to play?

Seriously? They really did that? In writing?

I totally agree with KasinoKing - he needs some help before he wastes it all but only he can really take that step. I agree too that if it's the T&C's then that's not unfair. IGT also pay out jackpots in installments. I think it's wrong myself but those are the rules they set out and players have the choice not to play there.

 

[vinylweatherman]

What is clearly rogue here is that they are trying to entice the player to play loads more and they will then TRIPLE his monthly allowance. If they can pay 75K under these circumstances, they can damn well pay 75K WITHOUT the player playing away their big win.

Firstly, it needs to be made clear to this friend that this is 100% a tactic concocted to screw him out of the vast majority of his jackpot, and that he should resist playing their game that lets them hide behind the rules and claim they were acting "honourably". He should tell them that he agrees that 25K/month over 4 years is a great idea, and that he has been told this by a "financial advisor" who thinks a payment plan would make him spend the windfall more carefully. He will then need the help and support of his friends to resist temptation to log back in and blow the lot.

This will put the casino over a barrel, as they will come to realise that they face 4 solid years of close scrutiny by CM members, and had better keep up the 25K/month payment without any "monkey business", such as trying to cut alternative deals in the style of Joyland casino (who tricked a Canadian player into giving up $2Million of a $4Million jackpot in order to have this $2Million paid right away).

The terms also need to be checked VERY carefully to see if they are ALREADY trying some "monkey business" over the current payment plan, and in particular the offer of a deal to speed things up.

 

[theriver]

It's just so sick guys. I mean this isn't some shady casino, this is Partycasino, some of the biggest in the world!

He was told over the phone that he couldn't cashed out in once and was noted on their T&C, so yes we checked them right away and it mentions the 25k pay out each month by his vip level at the time of winning.

I am going to visit my friend tonight, hopefully I can talk into him to stop playing but it's going to be tough. Maybe change his password or somethinh with him.
He already dropped some money again.

I don't think that he has any rights because it's in their T&C right? last thing he wants is an argument with them, maybe they can confiscate overything?
what if I loses a lot? no way he can make a case of it because it is his own responsiblity....

 

[naththo]

Hi,

Unfortunately yes, it is part of term and condition. Every casino have different rules set out. So there is not much you can do about. You just have to accept the installment payment per month. Although he really need help with serious gambling problem.

If he kept playing after jackpot then its a real serious gambling problem. So he will need to see Dr (GP) to get referral to see counselling with mental health care plan. I hope this way should work for him. He has to be responsible for it, plus he must think about his family and future which is the most important, if you gamble away, you gamble away the family and future and your screwed. Thats what it will happen. NOT if, but, etc no excuse. He must not make excuse, just go and get help at once for good then thats great, its a great live saving.

You must help your friend. It is your choice. But it is good idea to try encourage him. Don't let him get away with poor excuse. If he did get some help, its a win win situation. If you keep gamble, you keep losing, not win at all. If you stop gamble and save up the money, you win all the time. Also tell him that Casino make a HUGE massive profit. So there is no need to give away money to casino to help them keep running. Casino is designed to be supposed to play for fun and entertainment.

Every casino website has gambling awareness too as well. If any casino didn't have gambling help/hotline or any awareness, then casino is in rogue pit instantly if it was the case. Its the law that every casino must have those feature too. Anyway good luck guy! I hope you be able to manage to get him to get help.

 

[Jasminebed]

That's life changing money, and very few of us gamblers ever get a chance at such a win. I agree that he should change his password, and I think ask for self-exclusion as well. Unfortunately, Party Casino is not the only place he can gamble.

If he cannot be responsible, he could approach a bank and have a trust fund set up where a monthly amount is paid to him, and the trustee (a family member or the bank), could authorize larger amounts for certain purchases, like a new vehicle, or a downpayment on a home.

Ultimately though it is your friend's responsibility to acknowledge his problem and seek help. I agree that his family doctor is a good place to start. There are medications that help with impulse control, and Gamblers Anonymous has chapters all over the world.

What's worse than he may just blow though the money, he might be able to obtain credit based on this "asset" and end up deeper in debt than if he'd never won anything.

 

[vinylweatherman]

That's life changing money, and very few of us gamblers ever get a chance at such a win. I agree that he should change his password, and I think ask for self-exclusion as well. Unfortunately, Party Casino is not the only place he can gamble.

If he cannot be responsible, he could approach a bank and have a trust fund set up where a monthly amount is paid to him, and the trustee (a family member or the bank), could authorize larger amounts for certain purchases, like a new vehicle, or a downpayment on a home.

Ultimately though it is your friend's responsibility to acknowledge his problem and seek help. I agree that his family doctor is a good place to start. There are medications that help with impulse control, and Gamblers Anonymous has chapters all over the world.

What's worse than he may just blow though the money, he might be able to obtain credit based on this "asset" and end up deeper in debt than if he'd never won anything.

Quite, but they have his million. If he agrees to it, he should change his password in a way that he does not know it, but has it recorded and placed in a safe place. Next, agree to the payment plan and uninstall the casino. This way, he is limited to blowing 25K per month for the next 4 years, during which time he can think about whether there might be a better use for the bulk of this money. In some ways, this could end up being a better solution than him having it all at once, and going "on tilt" at other casinos with it.

In terms of investments, some should be locked away in long term investments that cannot be cashed in, perhaps a pension plan of sorts, one that can't be touched until he is much older. If not, some kind of long term bond over a number of years. Obviously, some needs to be stored in a standard "on demand" account, and he should make sure he is "sorted" for life with the basics, such as a guarantee of somewhere to live.

It might seem a huge sum now, but over a lifetime it is NOT enough to guarantee he never needs to make money ever again.

There are many cases where big winners on state lotteries and the old style "football pools" have won huge sums, but blown the lot in a few years, and grown older to regret it. This is a particular danger for those who win this kind of money in their 20's, who are not yet thinking of what is going to happen when they are 40 and beyond.

It is almost a certainty that he will NEVER win this kind of sum again, however much he plays on. If he has already lost a chunk back, he may well be drawn into "chasing" behaviour to at least try to get back up to his original balance. The most likely result is him losing the lot some time in 2012, having kept a couple of 25K installments along the way.

If this is a responsible casino, they should offer him the abilty to be locked out whilst he receives the payments over 4 years. They should NEVER have offered him a deal in order to get him to "high roll" on his big win in order to get an increase to 75K per month.

When Joyland casino offered this deal to the Canadian player, they ended up getting a bashing, and ultimately ended up in the rogue pit. I see no reason why Party casino should not suffer the same fate for offering a similar deal in this case, designed purely to get the player to play back a portion of his win in order to get the remainder 3 times as fast. This probably breaks the law too, as it is the complete opposite of encouraging responsible gambling.

Although the payment plan itself is in the terms, the offering of the deal should be the subject of a PAB. Your friend needs to join CM and do this himself through his own CM account, as Max does not normally deal with players via a "friend", although a player CAN have someone help him with translation if his English isn't good enough to manage the PAB process alone.

 

[plasticnote]

Close account at party casino and wait for payment, 1M in 4 years time - CPI 5% per year + compound interests 3.25% per year still 928K + nearly $300
If he wants to play, play fruit machine, by the end of day, he still has sth left.

 

[Seventh777]

Doh I mistook Party casino for PartyCity my bad

 

[theriver]

Just came back from visiting my friend. He f*cked it up! and hasn't been really honest about his balance...

Just a little below 500k left! So sick is this, he is a wreck now. He has been tried to win his losses back on a VIP fruitmachine, spinning up to 2000 dollar a click!

His parents dont even know about his ship... I suggested him to tell his parents he won 500k, so not about the million and ask them to hold his new password we are going to make with them. They will be in town tomorrow so he must arrange that immediately.

He already called with Party if he please can get a cashout but they told him no.. Just 100k this month, he propably wagered a few million on that sick slotmachine with 2k a spin. He tried to pay of his winnings, not possible because they would cost him so much more then half.
He was litteraly told by some Vip manager, my job is to keep you playing!

Well, hope the 500k stays intact and for december he can already cashout 100k, due to his partypoints this month.
Talk to his parents tomorrow and let them handle it further.

 

[plasticnote]

Just came back from visiting my friend. He f*cked it up! and hasn't been really honest about his balance...

Just a little below 500k left! So sick is this, he is a wreck now. He has been tried to win his losses back on a VIP fruitmachine, spinning up to 2000 dollar a click!

His parents dont even know about his ship... I suggested him to tell his parents he won 500k, so not about the million and ask them to hold his new password we are going to make with them. They will be in town tomorrow so he must arrange that immediately.

He already called with Party if he please can get a cashout but they told him no.. Just 100k this month, he propably wagered a few million on that sick slotmachine with 2k a spin. He tried to pay of his winnings, not possible because they would cost him so much more then half.
He was litteraly told by some Vip manager, my job is to keep you playing!

Well, hope the 500k stays intact and for december he can already cashout 100k, due to his partypoints this month.
Talk to his parents tomorrow and let them handle it further.

This sicks me, you have to tell your friend, his job is to keep the wins left as much as possible.

If possible, get him locked up for few months for his own good. Rehab or labor camp?

 

[Greigssy]

My two pence worth,installing a program like Gamblock really helps having seen this before in action.The first sign on a gambling or a betting site it shuts down the webpage and even ur pc. There is no way of removing it from the pc either.

Also kinda stinks not getting 1 mill all at once,left in the bank it can accumulate around 3000 a month interest!

 

[Dipity]

This is just a crazy story. You need to sit your friend down and tell him to stop, right now.

 

[Seventh777]

This guy needs some media coverage at peak time, they say no publicity is bad publicity I beg to differ, send an email to the B.B.C news desk and Sky, the B.B.C. is the largest gatherer of news in the world explaining in graphic detail, worth a shot, right in between the times Party Casino`s advert is on.

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You need to hijack your friends P.C. and use that self exclusion tool.

 

[Simmo!]

Hello guys, first of all sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany - Hamburg.

Hmmm. Your IP address says you are in Holland

 

[Seventh777]

Hmmm. Your IP address says you are in Holland

I just rang Party casino, we`ll see what happens now.

 

[Mousey]

Hmmm. Your IP address says you are in Holland

I've been wondering if it's actually his 'friend' being discussed...

 

[theriver]

Guys I don't make up this story. We are students staying separete in amsterdam.

 

[sattty]

party casino has a self exclusion tool..id suggest setting the self exclusion tool to block you out for 1 month...then log in and cash out the max amount..then self exclude for another month then do same thing..a very boring process...but at least the money wont get gambled away

 

[theriver]

Anyway thanks for all the tips. I will do everything to help my buddy tomorrow in guidance of his parents.

I will keep you updated if party will allow him to cashout more, maybe to this thread.

 

[mn001]

He needs to self exclude himself for 30 days. Then log in and make withdrawal. Then self exclude another 30 days, withdraw, etc.

I don't think party casino will manually initiate the transfers every month. Maybe changed now with the bwin merge? They will never pay more per month. There is ways around the maximum payout terms if he starts to play poker though, there is also ways to obtain points in the best ways to gain vip levels but with a little bit of estimated loss ofcourse, but I won't discuss that here or anywhere else. He could find this out himself studying terms very closely.

Regarding the gambling problems he should seek help TODAY.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Just came back from visiting my friend. He f*cked it up! and hasn't been really honest about his balance...

Just a little below 500k left! So sick is this, he is a wreck now. He has been tried to win his losses back on a VIP fruitmachine, spinning up to 2000 dollar a click!

His parents dont even know about his ship... I suggested him to tell his parents he won 500k, so not about the million and ask them to hold his new password we are going to make with them. They will be in town tomorrow so he must arrange that immediately.

He already called with Party if he please can get a cashout but they told him no.. Just 100k this month, he propably wagered a few million on that sick slotmachine with 2k a spin. He tried to pay of his winnings, not possible because they would cost him so much more then half.
He was litteraly told by some Vip manager, my job is to keep you playing!

Well, hope the 500k stays intact and for december he can already cashout 100k, due to his partypoints this month.
Talk to his parents tomorrow and let them handle it further.

Looks like we have the REAL reason behind these strange rules and under the counter deals.


This is as far away from complying with responsible gambling guidelines as you can get. He has already blown 500K because he was suckered in by this VIP manager, overriding any efforts by his friends to intervene. This VIP manager is probably going to try for the rest, apart from the 100K he can now take this month after losing 500K back, a pretty poor exchange.

It is all the more shocking because this is NOT a story about some clip joint run from some backwater, they have managed to pull this off whilst supposedly regulated by a "quality" jurisdiction.

Maybe your friend could recoup part of the rest of the lost win by selling his story to the media. Hopefully, it will get wide coverage, teach other players about the "dirty tricks" some online casinos are prepared to use in order to get big winners to lose everything back before they get to see it in the bank, and make regulators sit up and take notice of the "loopholes" being exploited by brands that have approval from many governments and enough reputation to be allowed to advertise on TV.

In a mere 24 hours, we have gone from helping this guy hang on to 800K, to hanging on to 500K, whilst his VIP host has tried to achieve the opposite.

 

[Pulver]

If it was my friend who was one the verge of playing back $1 million, I would physically lock him up, destroy his computer or whatever. Then I would get him into a gambling program ASAP.

 

[Nicla]

Sorry, but I think the problem is not to cash out more every month from that casino, or complain or lock the account every 30 days, because "your friend" seems to be gambling addicted.Are you sure he doesn't play the winnings in other casinos?

I think the problem is another one. I suggest you to talk with him and recommend a good therapist. Sure he can spend some of his monthly cash out in this way. So then, maybe he can waste his money in some other amusing ways.

 

[deucebag]

Maybe your friend could recoup part of the rest of the lost win by selling his story to the media. Hopefully, it will get wide coverage, teach other players about the "dirty tricks" some online casinos are prepared to use in order to get big winners to lose everything back before they get to see it in the bank, and make regulators sit up and take notice of the "loopholes" being exploited by brands that have approval from many governments and enough reputation to be allowed to advertise on TV.

In a mere 24 hours, we have gone from helping this guy hang on to 800K, to hanging on to 500K, whilst his VIP host has tried to achieve the opposite.

Assuming the press would be interested in this (I don't think so): why would he want to expose himself to the world as a hopeless gambling degenerate?

A casino is in the business of separating players from their money. No one should be surprised of this fact, least of all those of us with gambling experience of our own. This guy would probably have lost his money even if he could have withdrawn. He would just have redeposited, or lost his money elsewhere.

A gambler with zero discipline or impulse control will lose all his money regardless. He should attack the problem at the root, which is within himself. Blaming Party Casino isn't going to lead anywhere.

 

[plasticnote]

Assuming the press would be interested in this (I don't think so): why would he want to expose himself to the world as a hopeless gambling degenerate?

A casino is in the business of separating players from their money. No one should be surprised of this fact, least of all those of us with gambling experience of our own. This guy would probably have lost his money even if he could have withdrawn. He would just have redeposited, or lost his money elsewhere.

A gambler with zero discipline or impulse control will lose all his money regardless. He should attack the problem at the root, which is within himself. Blaming Party Casino isn't going to lead anywhere.

Because he can not control so he need help and be locked up. If he lost his 1M back, the depress will destory his life, even kills him.

The VIP manager IMO aught to be sued for damage.

 

[Simmo!]

Because he can not control so he need help and be locked up. If he lost his 1M back, the depress will destory his life, even kills him.

The VIP manager IMO aught to be sued for damage.

To all: I'm not saying this story is not true but please remember we are speculating here. None of this is proven, it's fairly sensational and it's based on a story from a "friend of a friend" and first time poster living in a different country to what he has published in his CM profile.

Offering advice to help someone in difficulty is about the best anyone should be posting here until such a time as the story is (if it ever can be) substantiated. Discrediting individuals and casinos based on what we know is not a sensible path to follow. Just remember how many times we encounter new posters trying to exact some revenge on a casino where they are disgruntled, have an axe to grind or I suspect in some cases, even instigated by competitors.

Please feel free to offer advice to "theriver" to assist with his friend's problem but please don't assume everything you read is true until it is proven.

 

[Pinababy69]

If someone won a 1M Progressive, at any reputable casino, don't they usually publicize these things? That recent big NetEnt (I think) win, was all over the net. And anytime someone wins Mega Moolah, you usually hear about it. At the very least, wouldn't there be something published on Party Casino's website?

Theriver, which game did your friend win on? Accept my apologies if you already mentioned that....I only scanned the thread quickly. Anyone know if Partycasino is licensed in Gibraltar?

 

[Pinababy69]

One, Party Casino is indeed licensed in Gibraltar. Also, under the eCogra umbrella, and a publicly traded company on the London Stock Exchange. Regardless of the written terms and conditions, the casino has an obligation to promote responsible gambling, and IF, I repeat IF, what the OP has said is true, then a casino manager stating that his job is to keep the player playing...is way off the reservation. While they may not be "legally" obligated to payout the lump sum, IMO, they are obligated to assist the player in preventing him from playing back his whole balance, if he requests it. Especially if he makes it known he has a serious gambling problem.

Yes, the final responsibility lies with the player himself....but in no way should the casino entice anyone to reverse their withdrawal, or to play off their balance.

From Party Casino's website:

Most people gamble within their means, but for some it can spiral out of control. When playing the games, keep in mind the following:

Gambling should be seen as just for fun, not a way of earning money

Avoid chasing losses

Only gamble what you can afford to lose

Keep track of how much time and money you spend gambling

If you need help, use the deposit limits and time limits in the player protection page to control the amount you can spend

If you need to take a break from gambling, use the self-exclusion tools

The casino at the very least should offer the player the option of self exclusion:

If you think you need a break from gambling, you can use the self-exclusion tool. You will not be able to log in to your account for the amount of time you specify. Once that time's up, you can log in again.

If I had a contact at Party Casino, I'd try and find out myself if there has indeed been a jackpot winner recently. I'm going to see if Bryan can find out anything on Monday. Again, IF the story is true, I will contact Gibraltar myself and see what they think of Party Casino's responsible gambling practices.

Theriver, when the manager made the comment about keeping the player playing, was this in a chat, an email or a phone call?

Having said all of the above, I totally agree with Simmo, that we never truly know the full story until a little more digging has been done. So until then, reserving judgement. My comments are based solely on the "assumption" that the OP is being truthful.

 

[plasticnote]

To all: I'm not saying this story is not true but please remember we are speculating here. None of this is proven, it's fairly sensational and it's based on a story from a "friend of a friend" and first time poster living in a different country to what he has published in his CM profile.

Offering advice to help someone in difficulty is about the best anyone should be posting here until such a time as the story is (if it ever can be) substantiated. Discrediting individuals and casinos based on what we know is not a sensible path to follow. Just remember how many times we encounter new posters trying to exact some revenge on a casino where they are disgruntled, have an axe to grind or I suspect in some cases, even instigated by competitors.

Please feel free to offer advice to "theriver" to assist with his friend's problem but please don't assume everything you read is true until it is proven.

Apology. my words are a bit harsh.

Gave a thought on this thread, party casino is a listed compnay and if OP was telling the truth, the PR damage to the compnay is far beyond 1M to fix up.

 

[shaggy5500]

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Maybe Party changed terms but about 4 years ago I won $113K jackpot there and had no restrictions at all. I was not some high roller etc, I had VIP status but still had no problems on cashing out. The problem came after I cashed out $90K of it and all winning came to a abrpt stop, nothing on tables - AA again 2/3 and 2/3 would win...lol...in casino, I could drop $1k and hit nothing. I took it as a lesson learned and stopped playing there feeling they had made changes or something.

Your friend has a brain cell in his head he will stop playing there, take his $25K a month, let him blow off $5k of it elsewhere and put the $20k into a house or investment. There are tons of casinos he can play at, why blow $200k to be able to get $75k a month- nonsense!

 

[LaHutti]

Maybe Party changed terms but about 4 years ago I won $113K jackpot there and had no restrictions at all. I was not some high roller etc, I had VIP status but still had no problems on cashing out. The problem came after I cashed out $90K of it and all winning came to a abrpt stop, nothing on tables - AA again 2/3 and 2/3 would win...lol...in casino, I could drop $1k and hit nothing. I took it as a lesson learned and stopped playing there feeling they had made changes or something.

Your friend has a brain cell in his head he will stop playing there, take his $25K a month, let him blow off $5k of it elsewhere and put the $20k into a house or investment. There are tons of casinos he can play at, why blow $200k to be able to get $75k a month- nonsense!

Yeah. I agree....complete nonsense.
If this guy blows money the way OP is telling, he deserves nothing but what he gets.
This story is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

 

[jjezebel37]

That's life changing money, and very few of us gamblers ever get a chance at such a win. I agree that he should change his password, and I think ask for self-exclusion as well. Unfortunately, Party Casino is not the only place he can gamble.

If he cannot be responsible, he could approach a bank and have a trust fund set up where a monthly amount is paid to him, and the trustee (a family member or the bank), could authorize larger amounts for certain purchases, like a new vehicle, or a downpayment on a home.

Ultimately though it is your friend's responsibility to acknowledge his problem and seek help. I agree that his family doctor is a good place to start. There are medications that help with impulse control, and Gamblers Anonymous has chapters all over the world.

What's worse than he may just blow though the money, he might be able to obtain credit based on this "asset" and end up deeper in debt than if he'd never won anything.

tHIS!!

 

[bpb]

Maybe Party changed terms but about 4 years ago I won $113K jackpot there and had no restrictions at all. I was not some high roller etc, I had VIP status but still had no problems on cashing out. The problem came after I cashed out $90K of it and all winning came to a abrpt stop, nothing on tables - AA again 2/3 and 2/3 would win...lol...in casino, I could drop $1k and hit nothing. I took it as a lesson learned and stopped playing there feeling they had made changes or something.

So they flipped the doomswitch on you?

I don't think you're qualified to give advice to anyone on anything.

 

[jetset]

There's something about this story that is ringing alarm bells with me, but let's for the moment assume that we have been told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth....

Lots of sound advice in this generally polite thread, especially that on the "friend's" gambling problem and how to deal with it in relation to this massive win. That imo should be the priority, because this a person's life, and that of his family, we're talking about here.

The T&C question is clearly critical, but morally the welfare of the problem gambler must play a role too - along with whether his addiction should be fuelled or encouraged...or discouraged.

The group we're discussing - bwin.party.digital entertainment - is the owner of Party Casino. This is one of the most active companies in the promotion of responsible gambling in the industry. It has invested literally hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years in projects like the Harvard study on problem gambling, and is respected as an active supporter of responsible gambling as a corporate policy. And it has trained its staff to look for indicators of addictive gambling in interactions with its players.

So if the payments on this million dollar win are being used by a bwin.party group company in an unethical manner to claw back the win - especially if it is known that the player is a compulsive gambler - then I doubt top management would be best pleased.

Simmo has wisely urged a note of caution on this issue, and I agree that it has to be kept in perspective. Nevertheless, some damage to reputation has already been done by the very presence of this thread, and I therefore agree with Pinababy that it is important that it is brought to bwin.party's attention and an official reaction obtained before it goes too much further.

In case it has not already been done, I've flagged this for Bryan's attention and advised eCOGRA on the issue, too.

 

[KasinoKing]

Just a little below 500k left! So sick is this, he is a wreck now. He has been tried to win his losses back on a VIP fruitmachine, spinning up to 2000 dollar a click!

I feel physically sick...

KK

 

[jetset]

Guys I don't make up this story. We are students staying separete in amsterdam.

Then why claim in your original post that you were in Hamburg, Germany?

You're a 31-year-old student in Amsterdam now, you claim, but you are only admitting that after you were busted by Simmo on your IP address.

 

[Simmo!]

Something else that occurred to me just after I switched off last night: if your friend is only being paid $25k a month, yet he says he's blown through $500k, he won this nearly two years ago.

@theriver: here's the deal. I'm amending the first post (per below) and title of this thread to cast off any potential aspersions that may have been made against the casino until such a time as this story can substantiated. Right now, I'm not convinced. I'll leave the thread open as Jetset has brought this to the attention of some prominent people who can then respond.


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[Dipity]

Something else that occurred to me just after I switched off last night: if your friend is only being paid $25k a month, yet he says he's blown through $500k, he won this nearly two years ago.

I'm not 'siding' with the OP here, but I got the impression that it was reversed and played through in his account (he said 2k a spin on slots) - which would explain this point. The 25k was for actual withdrawing per month.

 

[Simmo!]

I'm not 'siding' with the OP here, but I got the impression that it was reversed and played through in his account (he said 2k a spin on slots) - which would explain this point. The 25k was for actual withdrawing per month.

You may have a point there. Although it contradicts Shaggy's post:

Maybe Party changed terms but about 4 years ago I won $113K jackpot there and had no restrictions at all. I was not some high roller etc, I had VIP status but still had no problems on cashing out.

The other thing that has been bugging me but doesn't necessarily mean anything is that they supposedly only let him withdraw 25k a month because he's not a VIP (bronze), yet he can spin 2k a spin on slots and has a VIP manager. That may have come after the big win but along with putting the whole lot in the player's account and offering him incentives to lose it - I'm just not convinced that a big brand like Party would act like this.

Anyway - I'm guilty of speculating when it might be better to wait for the rep to post a response here or to Bryan.

 

[ergopro]

If this story is true, then what's really sick is that a compulsive gambler hits a million dollar jackpot.
There's no jackpot large enough in the entire web that couldn't be blown away in a short period of time
And that's what happens in most cases...what's lifechanging win for a regular gambler, is nothing but a tool to place higher bets for a compulsive gambler.

 

[Gremmyboy]

:eat:

 

[Gremmyboy]

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Is this your friend??

This is the only thing I could find about a million dollar jackpot won at Party Casino.

 

[Gremmyboy]

Found this too....






Cheers
Gremmy

 

[vinylweatherman]

This seems consistent with him being Silver status, but what is also there is that further play does NOT make payments any faster, as the payment limit is determined by the status at the time of making the win. Any further play to increase VIP status will NOT make payments any faster than the current 25K per month, so such play is completely futile.

However, this makes no commercial sense, as the ONLY option for such a big winner is to sit on a dormant account for 4 years whilst the payments come through, all the while PREVENTING the casino from being able to win it back. It ONLY makes sense if some "under the counter" deal is negotiated with the player that offers them an incentive to carry on playing during this time.

The first task is to identify the most recent jackpot win of "just under a million", and see if it fits with the OP's story. The next would be to seek direct contact with the winning player by a media organisation specialising in online gambling news. This will offer an alternative view of the story. We also need to hear the official version of events from the operator.

Currently, from this thread, we seem to have a student currently studying in Amsterdam, but originally from the Hamburg area. The student address is not going to be used as it is temporary, and not what is meant when casinos ask you for such details upon registration, unless the player has no other permanent address, and uses temporary accommodation all the time.

The tale suggests that it was AFTER the win that he was granted access to this "VIP slot" with a 2K per spin bet, which the player then used in order to rack up VIP points in order to qualify for a higher status, and thus a higher payment rate.

Since it is in the terms, I believe that in such a case the player would be told they had to wait 4 years for full payment. I also believe that under such circumstances the casino WOULD prefer the player to play some back on a regular basis. The question is HOW this would be achieved.

Normally when someone wins big, they are offered professional advice on how to handle such a life changing amount. This offer is all part of complying with guidelines on responsible gambling. There is however NO obligation on a winner to accept this help, and it cannot be forced on them. In such a case, the operator should "back off", and most certainly should NOT be trying to influence the player to play further (if this is what is happening here).

It is possible that someone hooked by such a big win has no need of such inducements, and would play it back of their own accord. The mere fact of having a policy of paying huge wins by small installments provides an inducement to play on, since it makes the money "unreal" in the sense that it cannot be withdrawn in a single lump sum, and quickly put out of reach of temptation. This type of term needs to be stamped out in the industry as part of a move towards more responsible management of big wins. This would enable a player to put the whole sum into the hands of professional advisors should they wish, or to make quick capital purchases of things like a new house that will benefit them for life, and would be hard to lose back to ANY casino.

It takes considerable discipline to log on every month to withdraw another 25K from a 6 figure balance, and at the same time resist the temptation to have a go at "high roller" stake levels with the rest.

If there IS a hidden story here, I suspect it is a player who foolishly played it back of their own accord, feels sick as a parrot, and is trying to pressure the casino into giving the lost part of the win back having realised what a stupid thing he has done.