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Jackpot Capital, Slotastic & friends - licensing info?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by zanzibar, Sep 25, 2013.

    Sep 25, 2013
  1. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    I'm trying to find out where or even if the following casinos are licensed.

    Jackpot Capital
    From their website: "Jackpot Capital is operated and owned by Greavestrend Ltd., Agiou Eleftheriou, 74A, Archangelos, Strovolos, P.C. 1055 Nicosia, Cyprus, a registered company licensed by the government of Cyprus." The way I read that it does not say the casino is licensed to operate there, and I'm fairly sure that it can't be since the government banned all online gambling apart from sports betting with OPAP last year.
    CM's database says: Cyprus
    Their server IP says: Curacao

    Slotastic
    Their website says: "Slotastic (further referred to as 'the Casino') is operated and owned by Orange Consultants Ltd., registered by the government of the British Virgin Islands." Gambling is illegal in the BVI and they do not license casinos there. This thread on the subject at the GPWA died unanswered in 2010: You must register/login in order to see the link.
    CM's database says: Costa Rica
    Their server IP says: Curacao

    Grande Vegas
    Their website says: "Grande Vegas Casino (further referred to as 'the Casino') is operated and owned by Tigress Management Ltd., registered by the government of the British Virgin Islands." Same as Slotastic.
    CM's database says: Curacao
    Their server IP says: Curacao

    Lucky Club
    Their website says: nothing of any use that I could find
    CM's database says: not accredited
    Their server IP says: Curacao

    It doesn't look to me like any of them are licensed anywhere. They are clearly being served from Curacao, but it is unusual to find casinos from there that do not link to an accreditation or list the company name.

    If anyone could help me out and shed some light on this it would be appreciated.

    Edit: I have PM'd the Jackpot Capital rep so hopefully they can help me out here.
     
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  2. Sep 25, 2013
  3. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    These casinos really are having trouble knowing where they are licensed.

    Lucky Club Casino didn't pass their BoF when they couldn't decide which group (and license) they belong to:

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/46859-lucky-club-baptism-fire-3.html#post453173

    Liberty Slots definately can't decide which license they are using.

    Allyoubet seems to be using Grande Vegas support but are using odds from Intertops. Allyoubet aren't showing licensing info either.

    Players still deposit at places like this, that's why they can continue with this kind of business. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Sep 26, 2013
  5. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    I wasn't familiar with Allyoubet. Is that another one run by the same people? I thought or perhaps assumed that Intertops indirectly owned all of the above casinos, so its no surprise if it is using casino support from one and sports odds from another. Their site says "All You Bet is registered by the government of the British Virgin Islands" which again implies no license.
     
  6. Sep 26, 2013
  7. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    webmaster
    Location:
    Larnaca, Cyprus, Cyprus
    To be honest, if casinos are licensed in Curacao or not at all, does it really matter? The licenses are just a phone call away and rarely if ever does Curacao's licensing body know who they really are giving the licenses to
     
  8. Sep 26, 2013
  9. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    I agree to a certain extent with regards to Curacao but I would at least like to know one way or the other so that I can make informed decisions and provide accurate information to visitors to my site, one of which queried one of these with me. I don't like being unable to give a definitive answer!
     
  10. Sep 26, 2013
  11. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    There have been threads about these before,here are some of my posts about them:

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...related-accredited-allslots-2.html#post514709

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/52971-allyoubet-back-same-owners.html#post512717

    xxhttp://www.affiliateguarddog.com/forums/cc-auth-liberty-slots-t5139-p2.html#post34767


    Where a casino has their license, or IF they have a license, is to me really important. I can't understand how people/players/affiliates can support behaviour as unlicensed casinos are using. Casinos who hide their license information are as bad.
     
  12. Sep 26, 2013
  13. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    webmaster
    Location:
    Larnaca, Cyprus, Cyprus
    Nobody is saying a casino shouldn't be licensed - I was saying a Curacao license is not much better (if any) than having no license at all. Please tell me the benefits for you as an affiliate or player when playing at a casino with a Curacao license?
     
  14. Sep 26, 2013
  15. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    @onkel

    Who do you ask? Me or zanzibar? :confused:
     
  16. Sep 26, 2013
  17. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    For me, as a player, the license lets me know that the operator made some kind of investment to get their casino up and running and there is at least some third party who has an asset which can be 'pulled' should the casino ever go totally bad. Admittedly, the latter does not seem happen even with the roguest of rogues.

    The lack of clear licensing info would make me suspect that the establishment has done something that would make that licensing jurisdiction lose confidence in them.
     
  18. Sep 27, 2013
  19. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    I agree. While Curacao is a weak jurisdiction, getting a license shows that the casino is at least attempting to do things the right way. The ones that go to great lengths to hide their ownership almost always accept American customers, so its clear why they do that. Not that it excuses them or makes it acceptable.

    I see the Jackpot Capital rep has read the thread so hopefully we'll have our answer soon.
     
  20. Oct 2, 2013
  21. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    I'll have to take the silence to mean only one thing: they ain't licensed anywhere.
     
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  22. Oct 2, 2013
  23. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach
    What is the problem zanzibar?

    If it makes anydifference to you or help, I have been playing at Jackpot Capital even before they were on Casinomeister's accredited list.

    In those years I have never had a problem depositing and withdrawing (rarely) and imho have one of the best CS around . Again , if it helps , I think they had bought out a casino
    aAcasino I used to play at. I also know that slotastic is closely affiliated with them

    As for Desert Night and lucky club , I don'r know how thew relationships work out so I don't play there

    And to be flip about it what difference does it make whether theyare licensed or not? AT least you get paid when you win. There are several casinos who gladly take your deposit abut its like pulling teeth when it comes to withdrawing
     
  24. Oct 2, 2013
  25. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    If you read back near the start of the thread Zanzibar said why it was important for him to know. Maphesto and I also said why it could be important.

    Another thing I notice is sometimes when people come onto the forum and make a complaint they are sometimes chastised for not doing research into licensing and connections before they deposit.

    In your own experience have you ever tried to cash out a large win? Say $10,000?

    Have you ever had a substantial software failure where something went wrong and upon return your balance was not what it should be?

    I'm not saying there would be a problem with either of these scenarios but clear licensing and affiliations certainly add to the casinos perceived reliability and provide more avenues for resolution to any potential problems.
     
  26. Oct 3, 2013
  27. EdieD

    EdieD Dormant account

    Occupation:
    trainer
    Location:
    u.s.
    I would say they're definitely not licensed anywhere. Once online gaming becomes legal in U.S., these type of casinos will lose significant business. At that point, I would not trust depositing there any longer.
     
  28. Oct 3, 2013
  29. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach
    Bigjohn , did you interpret my msg as chastisizing OP? I just gave him info based on my experience
    No never cashed out 10k but sonmeone just did last week, I think it was secret and it took less than 10 days
    No never had problen with software
    Only complaint i have is that ridiculous 60x wr for any free bonus except the comp cash which is real cash
     
  30. Oct 3, 2013
  31. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    No problem. Like I said I was asked by someone and couldn't find the answer so I hoped someone else here might have been able to shed some light on it. People regard the importance of licensing differently, to some its important, to others it isn't. At least with the information out there people can make an informed decision. If you relied on the websites of the casinos or even the information here or on other affiliate sites, you would be almost certain to get the wrong impression.

    I am actually quite surprised that they aren't licensed, as I agree that they are generally well run and reliable, at least as far as casinos that serve Americans go.
     
  32. Oct 3, 2013
  33. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    I am not familiar with the licensing issues but I wonder why the UK cannot grant licences given that they have such a liberal online gambling policy. Given the cosy relations between the UK and US players from the latter country might benefit as the Government may adopt a loose policy if that materializes.
     
  34. Oct 3, 2013
  35. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach
    From Accredited casinos here

    Slotastic
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    Categories: Accepts US, RTG, Cyprus
    Jackpot Capital - Accredited Casino
    Jackpot Capital - Accredited Casino
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2013
  36. Oct 4, 2013
  37. zanzibar

    zanzibar Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Earth
    Yes as I pointed out my initial post that information appears to be wrong (or out of date).
     
  38. Oct 4, 2013
  39. rena35

    rena35 Senior Member

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    Location:
    cyber space
    Living in the USA i would really hate to see JC group be taken off the accredited list. I finally found a way to deposit that doesnt cost $45 at a time and even though i feel the slots are somewhat tight i dont worry i would be paid.My docs are already approved so im good to go. If something happens and they do get taken off i would not play there anymore and that would be another blow. Its already hard enough to find a good casino:(.(IMO)
     
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