Immortal Romance

[Nifty29]

I've had 2.000+ spins on Hellboy without hitting the bonus round (3 scatters) - instead I got "Supermode" 20 times in a row (I dont mean consecutive spins, but pretty much every 70 spins). I've experienced this twice over the last 2 years.

Is this impossible on a random slot?

 

[kktmd]

no, not impossible.

I havn't looked at the reel configuration, but I'm guessing that the odds of 2.000 spins without 3 scatters are very low.

In 1.052.594 spins on IM, the longest run without a bonusround was 1.295 spins. To hit 2.000 spins without a bounusround on IM, I suspect you'd have to do 1 billion+ spins. Whats the most spins anyone here has ever counted?

The reel config on Hellboy could be very different from IM. I think the win is random, but the wheel position might not be random. I'll try to do some spins on Hellboy to see what happens.

FWIW, my spins on IM seem perfectly random.

 

[Balthazar]

I've had 2.000+ spins on Hellboy without hitting the bonus round (3 scatters) - instead I got "Supermode" 20 times in a row (I dont mean consecutive spins, but pretty much every 70 spins). I've experienced this twice over the last 2 years.

I once got a very suspicious bonus streak on Cashapillar. The bonus rounds would keep retriggering every few spins, it was ridiculous. I'd get the free spins, win almost nothing, then spin a few more times (<10) and it would retrigger. This thing happened I believe 8 times in a row and on the very last bonus round, I won 600x stake and then it stopped. It really felt like the slot was trying hard to give me something.

It was to the point that I was expecting to get a message from the casino telling me that the winnings are void because there was a malfunction with the slot. That's how bad I thought it was.

But to me, the fact that we do get uncommon stuff like that from time to time is the proof that it's random (and let's not forget that players tend to see patterns in slots even when there's none, we're all like that.)

 

[dunover]

OK, perhaps I was being a bit disingenuous to Nifty concerning 'black and white' etc. Random numbers do produce patterns; it's inevitable if you're picking from a pot which has many 'balls' of the same value. Let's call it a 'random pattern'.
The reason I found Balthazars post intriguing is that I was once a solid fan of the tedious Cashapillar (Cashpillager as I called it) and noticed too some funny spreads of bonus round awards - I've noticed on every MG slot I've played there is a tendency for a run of crap to mediocre bonus rounds, and then you always get the good 'un. IR, TSII, BDBA, Cashapillar they all do it. You seem to have 5-7 (max I've seen is 7) crap rounds when you get the 60-200x one next go. I also noticed when you get 4-scatter triggers the bonus is 19/20 SHITE! I'd love a screenie or MG play report of someone triggering an MG slot like IR TS11 etc. and showing 100+ times stake. I've not seen it in years, the best I ever got was 39x.

 

[Balthazar]

I also noticed when you get 4-scatter triggers the bonus is 19/20 SHITE!

It's true for MG, it's true for NetEnt and it's true on land based slots, too (China Shores comes to mind). I personally don't believe that the individual spins in the bonus rounds are random. A bonus round (free spins, etc) is "one paid spin" and at this point I'm convinced that it's treated as one spin with one result from the RNG.

In other words, if you get more free spins because you've got 4 scatters, you'll end with a higher % of dead spins. Also, if the 4 scatters trigger paid well, this amount will be "deducted" from the free spins win.

 

[kktmd]

That was my initial suspicion too (that the bonuswin was predetermined), but the reelpositions in the Amber bonusrounds look perfectly random ;-(

I've only done 17.632 'Amber-spins' - not really enough to determine randomness, but I believe that the outcome of each individual bonus spin is random.

It would still be pretty easy for MG to adjust bonus round RTP, by removing certain high or low paying reel combinations. There are 395.242.624 possible reel combinations, so this would be impossible for us to determine.

Short explanation:

The 4 bonusgames have their own reelset. For each reelset, each reel has a number of possible positions. For the Amber bonus round:

Reel 1: 41 positions
Reel 2: 53 positions
Reel 3: 56 positions
Reel 4: 56 positions
Reel 5: 58 positions

Its set up pretty much like a physical reel. Position 2 is directly below position 1:

Position 1: 9, 10, J
Position 2: 10, J, Amber
Position 3: J, Amber, K
...and so forth

Each bonusspin, the MG server tells the client the position of the 5 reels - the reel combination determines the size of the win (if any).

Over time, you would expect a uniform reel distribution (each possible position should show up the same number of times). Although I've only done a limited number of spins, my feeling is that this is indeed the case.

I've looked at Amber, because the win does not depend on any extra random factor (like the bats in Michael or the Wilds in Sarah). I could have looked at Troy too, but the rolling reels make things a bit more complicated.

 

[mclee321]

It's true for MG, it's true for NetEnt and it's true on land based slots, too (China Shores comes to mind). I personally don't believe that the individual spins in the bonus rounds are random. A bonus round (free spins, etc) is "one paid spin" and at this point I'm convinced that it's treated as one spin with one result from the RNG.

In other words, if you get more free spins because you've got 4 scatters, you'll end with a higher % of dead spins. Also, if the 4 scatters trigger paid well, this amount will be "deducted" from the free spins win.

I don't think I can agree with this - one rng result for the whole of the free spins.

Here's why. If you play Immortal Romance at Bet365 on their 'games' section (flash based on the website), you see your balance update (for each spin) at the top before the reels stop spinning.

If you hit a bonus round, your balance only updates with the trigger and any reel win amounts of the current spin. Not the total of the bonus round. The balance does then continue to update prematurely on each spin of the bonus round.

I could be wrong, but this suggests a genuine rng number pull for each spin.

 

[dunover]

I don't think I can agree with this - one rng result for the whole of the free spins.

Here's why. If you play Immortal Romance at Bet365 on their 'games' section (flash based on the website), you see your balance update (for each spin) at the top before the reels stop spinning.

If you hit a bonus round, your balance only updates with the trigger and any reel win amounts of the current spin. Not the total of the bonus round. The balance does then continue to update prematurely on each spin of the bonus round.

I could be wrong, but this suggests a genuine rng number pull for each spin.

Yes, you're quite correct - the old click your balance trick, when each free spin commences, like I use to determine the outcome of each shitstorm before the video completes. Do this on the freepsins, and it does indeed update each one separately. I do believe each freespin picks from a different pool of outcomes than the main game though.

 

[dunover]

It's true for MG, it's true for NetEnt and it's true on land based slots, too (China Shores comes to mind). I personally don't believe that the individual spins in the bonus rounds are random. A bonus round (free spins, etc) is "one paid spin" and at this point I'm convinced that it's treated as one spin with one result from the RNG.

In other words, if you get more free spins because you've got 4 scatters, you'll end with a higher % of dead spins. Also, if the 4 scatters trigger paid well, this amount will be "deducted" from the free spins win.

True, but you've mentioned 2 different criteria there - firstly on IR TSII etc. no extra spins are awarded for 4 scatters unlike many other slots, but despite this the spins are mostly dead, as if it has already decided that 20x bet trigger will form the best part of the total payout coming from the round. As you say extra spins for 4 scatter like Netent means more crap spins. And they invariably are.

 

[mrmark21]

I've got a 122% RTP rate on Immortal Romance at 32 Red... I've done quite well on this game Still havent scored more than three wilds though

 

[chiya]

I wonder if anyone on CM or anywhere on the web actually has ever gotten 5 wilds in IR/TSII/Finer Reels of Life? The games (and so many other random wild games) say '' Up to 5 wilds '' but I've still yet to see a single image with 5 wild reels .. I personally haven't had the joy of seeing even 3 reels of wild (Except once, 3-5 reels .. won zero ..)

 

[mrmark21]

I wonder if anyone on CM or anywhere on the web actually has ever gotten 5 wilds in IR/TSII/Finer Reels of Life? The games (and so many other random wild games) say '' Up to 5 wilds '' but I've still yet to see a single image with 5 wild reels .. I personally haven't had the joy of seeing even 3 reels of wild (Except once, 3-5 reels .. won zero ..)

They have, just look for Immortal Romance on the Winners Wall... I'd say it's a very very rare occurrence akin to winning a major progressive jackpot (given the return on five wilds). I've got a 122% RTP on this game and still have only ever scored three wilds.

As for The Finer Reels, I have a hard enough time getting the feature on this game, not holding my breath on seeing a Wild Celebration

 

[KasinoKing]

I wonder if anyone on CM or anywhere on the web actually has ever gotten 5 wilds in IR/TSII/Finer Reels of Life? The games (and so many other random wild games) say '' Up to 5 wilds '' but I've still yet to see a single image with 5 wild reels .. I personally haven't had the joy of seeing even 3 reels of wild (Except once, 3-5 reels .. won zero ..)

See: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/best-wildstorm-wins.40324/
And: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/best-wildstorm-wins.40324/
(Post #3 and #31 if the links don't work)

KK

 

[dionysus]

and here for IR:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/best-wild-desire-wins-immortal-romance.48274/

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

I wonder if anyone on CM or anywhere on the web actually has ever gotten 5 wilds in IR/TSII/Finer Reels of Life? The games (and so many other random wild games) say '' Up to 5 wilds '' but I've still yet to see a single image with 5 wild reels .. I personally haven't had the joy of seeing even 3 reels of wild (Except once, 3-5 reels .. won zero ..)

i believe this one the best i've seen here. its actually a wild storm.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/show-me-the-money-screenshots-min-1000xbet.32622/

 

[pianoman]

Gold Pay table?

let's see if I can find mine?
Ah yes...
Here they are:



Didn't pay a lot (and is totally meaningless "achievement")
but was the 1st Gold table ever recorded (14 Nov 2011)
so Mark gave me an extra 1K bonus

 

[Osloking]

let's see if I can find mine?
Ah yes...
Here they are:



Didn't pay a lot (and is totally meaningless "achievement")
but was the 1st Gold table ever recorded (14 Nov 2011)
so Mark gave me an extra 1K bonus

If i do remember right you were playing quick spin on autoplay, 100 spins start with 100$, (i do remember things really well) lol

 

[mrmark21]

I wonder if anyone on CM or anywhere on the web actually has ever gotten 5 wilds in IR/TSII/Finer Reels of Life? The games (and so many other random wild games) say '' Up to 5 wilds '' but I've still yet to see a single image with 5 wild reels .. I personally haven't had the joy of seeing even 3 reels of wild (Except once, 3-5 reels .. won zero ..)

The result of my last sh*tstorm? One wild I'm kind of over these features... Not being impressed with past features, I actually checked the balance on my main page before the animation had finished... I was a whole $2 in profit

I get these features all the time and still have not even hit four wilds... so wouldn't hold you're breath

I'm thinking that compared to the amount of players these games must have, only a very small percentage of winning shots have been posted. I think even four wilds would be quite rare.

 

[dunover]

let's see if I can find mine?
Ah yes...
Here they are:

View attachment 37543

Didn't pay a lot (and is totally meaningless "achievement")
but was the 1st Gold table ever recorded (14 Nov 2011)
so Mark gave me an extra 1K bonus

View attachment 37542

Funny that - these slots are 'random' and yet every time 5 wilds is recorded on a normal spin there are NEVER any character symbols, always letters/numbers........
Thing is I got the same for 1.20 stake and it paid exactly 320, did you check the payout total?

 

[mrmark21]

Funny that - these slots are 'random' and yet every time 5 wilds is recorded on a normal spin there are NEVER any character symbols, always letters/numbers........
Thing is I got the same for 1.20 stake and it paid exactly 320, did you check the payout total?

That's actually quite an interesting observation

 

[dunover]

That's actually quite an interesting observation

Actually, kick my ass on that last post, I don't believe you can get a character in view with a wild on TSII like you can on IR.
I think all wilds have letters and numbers for 2 positions above and below them..

 

[Jasminebed]

I've skipped dozens and dozens of posts. I get sucked in looking at very pretty screenies

Mostly not me. I never go begging for a comp at 32Red, they have been so good to me. A thousand plus spins without a wild desire, and not a 40x bonus rounds.

I did promise not to play it on IM though.

It is a very attractive slot though, I like the music symbols, choice or rounds, the dark background. I see the screenies, I know the big ones are possible. But so far not me, I'm a lower variance kind of gal usually.

Maybe just $20 on it, lol.

 

[Jasminebed]

Reels are not the same during freespins as the base game. It's actually not uncommon, and usually there is a change in background colour or somthing at MG.

You don't get big winners without big losers. If I wanted to be even, I would not gamble.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Finally a bit of luck on this game!

32Red sent me a 200% bonus offer, albeit on a very small £10 deposit maximum, to give me a bankroll of an awesome £30.

Decided to hit IR and about a couple of hundred spins in landed the bonus round. Chose Amber because it doesn't muck about, and hit a nice 5OAK with Sarahs and Wilds.

End result was this, 622x stake! (30p spin.)

Should make wagering and..... shock horror..... get a withdrawal out of this one! First MG withdrawal in ages!

(£200 bankroll to make about £550 of wagering, that can't go wrong, surely?......)

 

[Balthazar]

that can't go wrong, surely?

I swear I've heard that before in a certain video.

Did you try the higher variance of this game yet (TFROL)?