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Immortal Romance

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by ecopac, Dec 15, 2012.

    Dec 15, 2012
  1. ecopac

    ecopac Experienced Member

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    Hi all

    So I've been playing this pretty hard over the last few weeks, seeking out a big win which is still avoiding me.

    Just a couple of frustrations really and I wanted to see what others experience was of this slot.

    Firstly, the Wild Vine feature just seems to be an absolute joke. I've had it well over 30 times now, with the biggest win being 30x stake (I play at 90p stake). Does the vine ever actually go into reels 1 & 2?? It's just so annoying how if you do manage to get 3 of a kind it either makes the third reel all wild or the fifth reel knowing full well there's no 5 of a kind there.

    What features do you all generally choose to play when you hit them??

    Secondly the Wild Desire bonus, I mean I know it's random but today for example I've put through a good few thousand spins and its triggered once, with just 1 reel wild for 4x stake. There's random, then there's taking the piss quite frankly.

    I know it's pretty high variance, but the features do seem to be painfully tight on this game!

    Still, there's something about it that keeps me playing, I think it is the lure of that big win - I do enjoy it, but hate it at the same time!
     
  2. Dec 15, 2012
  3. plasticnote

    plasticnote Senior Member

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    Hi, I have played this slots a lot. And I have written a thread that how I felt about this slots somewhere in this section.

    Generally, for me (not try to misleading you), 1 in 125K spins I will get a 4 reels of wild.

    Again, for me this is average number, I did somewhere close to 550K spins and got 4 times 4 reels of wild.

    You will need be patient and have a sufficient bankroll. I always play at 32red as the IR there seemingly paying better...

    The rest you will have to test yourself. I always chose the bat feature (2nd).

    regards

    plasticnote
     
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  4. Dec 15, 2012
  5. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    My feeling is the hit potential on all the features is the same, they just go about it in different ways.

    Wild Vine 'feels' like it should pay a lot better than it does most of the time, but of course that round is completely controlled and the vine movement isn't random.

    The 10 free spins at 5x pay is probably the least frustrating one in that it just gets it all over with pretty quickly, whether it's win big or small :D

    The rolling/tumbling reels one is the best one to pick for playtime, and once in a while it'll drop in as big a win as any of the others with 'perfect tumbles'.

    As much as I piss and moan about MG, it is a good slot.
     
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  6. Dec 15, 2012
  7. PNEFOREVER2

    PNEFOREVER2 Senior Member MM

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    Personally,I wouldn't touch it with someone else's balance.However I have seen some pretty good hits so I suppose just because I don't like a game having not had a big win I can't slate it.

    When I did play it I would use the 3rd or 4th feature myself-I go by the rule the more spins the more chance of a biggie.
     
  8. Dec 15, 2012
  9. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I just look at it as any other high variance slot really, arguably VERY high variance considering that there's at least one 12150x stake win on the paytable (all 5 wild in Wild Desire) plus all the 3 and 4 wilds wins.

    Like any high variance slot, on a bad run it'll destroy you, even at low stakes.

    I honestly think they're all the same, I'd love to see the 'individual paytables' for the rounds to see if some are weighted more towards bigger wins than others, but for the slot to be fair none of them can have a better average RTP than any of the others.
     
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  10. Dec 15, 2012
  11. sapit222

    sapit222 Senior Member MM PABaccred

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    This is 1 of my favorite slots since 1 month, or so. :thumbsup:
    Before that i didnt like it, couse it seemed to be very hard to get anything.
    At first i didnt like the 2-4th bonus feature, only the first1 (10 spins x5), but then i tried the 4th again & got 7 (only got 2-3 before that) wild vine symbols + 1 ordinary wild = a nice win. :D Of course ill try the 4th more now & maybe even try the 2-3 also & see if i can get some more nice ones.

    My advice is = dont stick to just 1 slot, try many out, with free money, or with real until you find the ones you like. :notworthy
    Thunderstruck 2 is very similar to Immortal Romance & i jump between those2 & of course other games now & then.

    Good luck to you & hope you get a big win in IR or some other game soon!
     
  12. Dec 16, 2012
  13. Respin_Ftw

    Respin_Ftw Senior Member

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    Correction; On a normal run, it will destroy you! :(
     
  14. Dec 16, 2012
  15. Dipity

    Dipity Dormant account

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    When I could play MG, I used to always take the Wild Vine feature, and I very rarely saw wild vines on the first 2 reels, but the amount of times I saw all three symbols on the middle reel turn wild is insanely high. Left me miffed more than once from playing that round!
     
  16. Dec 16, 2012
  17. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I'll go ahead and say that from personal experience, in 49 features out of 50 you won't see any wild vine other than on reel 3 and on reel 5. That's poor programming IMO, it ruins the unpredictable aspect of the bonus and serves no purpose as they could make them appear randomly on all reels without affecting the RTP.

    It gets pretty frustrating when you have to wait until it turns the whole reel 3 and reel 5 wild and you know that you're going to win nothing.

    The bats feature is similar, as the bats will go to reel 2 and 3 almost exclusively, with a very rare reel 4 hit. I've yet to see one hitting reel 1 or 5.

    TS2 have the exact same problem with its own wild vine/birds features.
     
  18. Dec 16, 2012
  19. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Once you get your head round the fact that MG slots use wildly fake 'reels' and that all the features are completely controlled and pre-determined, stuff like the Wild Vine feature becomes a lot less annoying. (I'm not singling MG out by the way, WMS slots do it, NetEnt slots do it, and I'm sure they're not the only ones.)

    Wild Vine is still a poor example from a design point of view because it's just so damn blatant, but in principle it's no better or worse than any other bonus round.

    I think IR is a decent slot, but one to put a couple of hundred spins through here and there, rather than get too involved.
     
  20. Dec 16, 2012
  21. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    That's the reason why I said it was poor programming. They could have hid it better and still give out the same payout at the end of the feature. I've not played at JPP but I'm pretty sure that you don't see that kind of weak programming with WMS slots or other land based clones Chopley.
     
  22. Dec 16, 2012
  23. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Heh, have you seen the Star Trek slots with stacked Kirk wilds at Jackpot Party? (WMS slots.)

    I pointed them out in the Jackpot Party video I did, if those reels were actually as presented, the slot would have a payout of about 1000% :D

    Bruce Lee is just as bad with the stacked wilds on 3-4-5.

    As for NetEnt, you need look no further than the new slot Elements for 'reels' that clearly aren't anything even remotely resembling actual reels.
     
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  24. Dec 16, 2012
  25. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I know the reel animations are fake on all video slots and the result is predetermined by the RNG, I was talking about "glitches" like the Wild Vine feature. I've yet to see a land based slot where all the wilds go at the same place all the time.
     
  26. Dec 16, 2012
  27. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Newbie member

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    Wild Vine feature isn't a glitch IMO, this is the way to compensate 25 free spins comparing to Thundestruck's Loki feature.
    It has only 15 spins but wilds acting more random.
     
  28. Dec 16, 2012
  29. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I just see those as two sides of the same coin TBH, I suppose good slot design is making a game and its features exciting and involving, whilst looking random and 'anything goes'.

    Wild Vine is just a bad example of blatant non-randomness, but behind the scenes it's no different to any other slot or feature.

    (Well, RTG's Real Series slots excepted I suppose, but by crikey those things are dull, so I guess we should be careful what we wish for!)
     
  30. Dec 16, 2012
  31. KasinoKing

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    IMO, some pretty strange comments being made about slots again in this thread...

    Why would anyone assume that the Wild Vine symbols should appear in any position on any of the reels with an equal probability, or that the Bats should also go to reels 1 or 5, when none of these things are stated on the pay-table or in the rules?
    The Wild Vine feature is clearly 100% weighted - accept that, or don't play the slot.
    The Bats will NEVER drop on to reel 1 or 5 - accept that, or don't play the slot.


    Again, that is blindingly obvious, but so what?
    Most of their other slots do have 5 fixed reel strips, this one has 15 weighted reel strips which can produce any symbol in any of the 15 positions (where that symbol appears in the column) in exactly the same way that Jack Hammer 1 and 2 work. Go and play either of those for a while and you will see why I have come to this conclusion (which is just my opinion, not a known fact).
    I really like this aspect on this slot because it means that even if you have just had wilds making one or more wins, you can still get more wilds dropping in to replace the exploded symbols. :thumbsup:

    KK
     
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  32. Dec 17, 2012
  33. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    I dont think the Wild Vine is weighted in a way that the spots on reel 1,2 and 4 only have a lesser probability of getting wild.
    If that was the case you should see an occasional shoot to those spots once in a while.
    But instead, as Balthazar pointed out, 49 out of 50 times it only takes reel 3 and/or 5.
    But as soon as it starts shooting to one of the other reels, it often shoots several times and several reels.
    Payout time?

    I also believe that all feautures have the same RTP, as it would be crazy to build a slot that has different RTP percentages for different feautures. its only the variance that differs.
    The Amber free spins (10x5) are the highest variance, I think Michaels rolling reels the lowest. (dont like that one)

    Amber is by far my favourite. No frustration like with the Wild Vine, or bats that fly to the wrong spot, or not at all...
    Its also the only one that can retrigger. And I LOVE retriggers!:D
    I've hit over 1000x bet once, and over 500x several times now.
    But it can also give you 10 dead spins..
     
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  34. Dec 17, 2012
  35. sapit222

    sapit222 Senior Member MM PABaccred

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    I dont like to think that some or all slots are "weighted" or have "weighted" reels etc... it ruins lots of the fun with the game then! :eek: :( :mad:
    IF they are, then it should say so clearly in the pay-table/game text, so that every1 knows about it!

    When i play games like Immortal Romance & chose the Wild Wine feature, then i take it for granted that the Wild Wines can end up on all 5 reels at the same time (very rare then), or separately. So far it seems they end up mostly on the 3rd & 5th reels & thats not so helpful most of the times. :eek:
    They should have the same probability to end up on all 5 reels separately though. Otherwise it should clearly say so in the game rules.

    The pay-table/game rules are for the players to read, so they know about the games!
     
  36. Dec 17, 2012
  37. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I like that when we point out that what we're saying is the truth and can be easily proved due to programming flaws, you always come back with something like "but the other slots don't work like that" or "it's just the bonus feature", like it would make any sense whatsoever to have two different payout systems built in the same slot/software.

    KK I respect you a lot but it's time to face reality and to stop hiding behind old, outdated beliefs.
     
  38. Dec 17, 2012
  39. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    The exact reason I've stopped playing Microgaming slots. The features and wins are obviously predetermined. Immortal Romance just goes one step further and quite literally rubs it in you're face.

    Slots should be random and if the features aren't then that should be written in the rules of the game.

    There aren't two different payout systems.

    I used to love pick-you're-own bonuses until I realized you could pretty much click left to right and still have the same outcome.
     

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