Hello and can you help a PhD student of Gambling?

[carjaw]

Hi
Great to finally be here!! But I need your help!! I need so much help!! My research is investigation the concept of responsible gambling in cyberspace. My first problem is - is it possible to have responsible gambling? And next is it possible to have responsible gamling on the Internet with all the issues of anonymity, accessiility and the aility to go from site to site? We all know aout responsile gambling features, such as slowing play, showing clocks and timers and real money balances and the provision by operators of regular financial statements - but do these responsible gambling features work? I have an online survey I desperately need gamblers to participate in - at www.effectiveresponsiblegamblingfeatures.blogspot.com - which will only take no more than 10 minutes of your time (and does not need registration or personal details) but perhaps if you have a comment you could let me know what your think about the concept of responsible gambling in cyberspace. Thank you - so much

 

[bryand]

Hi carjaw and welcome to the forum. You may want to check out the link below regarding other ways to regulate excessive gambling.

https://www.casinomeister.com/quit-gambling/

You may also be surprised at the many ways site owners can verify users (a la your comment about internet anonymity) - track IP addresses, request authentication documents, etc. before paying out to winners.

 

[carjaw]

Thank you

I like your comments and information about anonymity and internet gambling - but do operators do this checking when you register or is it only when it comes to paying out?

 

[winbig]

I like your comments and information about anonymity and internet gambling - but do operators do this checking when you register or is it only when it comes to paying out?

As with any casino, online or off, no.

Think about it - say you walk into a Vegas casino and throw down $100,000 playing blackjack or any other game.....do you think they're going to ask you for financial records before you start playing?

What you're describing, in my view, is an invasion of privacy. If I want to gamble, that's my decision, and whether or not I can afford it is a moot point. If I ever ran into a casino that asked me for financial records, I can guarantee that they'd never see another penny from me again.

 

[bryand]

I like your comments and information about anonymity and internet gambling - but do operators do this checking when you register or is it only when it comes to paying out?

Most online casinos of which I am familiar ask for verification documents (copy of driver's license, credit card, utility bill, etc.) before the first payout. Otherwise no verification is requested before paying or playing except a few that require documents before one's second deposit. Of course the rules change if a site suspects some type of fraudulent activity on the part of the player.

Searching this forum you will find some threads concerning verification documents. You may also want to request that Casinomeister give you access to other parts of the forum that may contain additional threads along this line.

 

[carjaw]

So in your opinion - is it responsible to check out verification only at the end ? do operators have a social responsibility towards its stakeholders? what about people who are experiencing real problems with their gambling? do you think responsible gamlbing features like slowing play and or providing financial records is the right way to go? or would you just say ... something else! help me out here!!!

 

[carjaw]

Are responsible gambling features effective?

Do responsible gambling features work online? Will slowing play, showing timers and real money balances help players experiencing problems with their gambling? I am researching a PhD looking at responsible gambling measures in cyberspace and have a survey available at www.effectiveresponsiblegamblingfeatures.blogspot.com - I would love your comments, thoughts and attitudes about responsible gambling - do operators have a duty to be socially responsible to all its stakeholders especially gamblers?

 

[jas2587]

Do responsible gambling features work online? Will slowing play, showing timers and real money balances help players experiencing problems with their gambling? I am researching a PhD looking at responsible gambling measures in cyberspace and have a survey available at www.effectiveresponsiblegamblingfeatures.blogspot.com - I would love your comments, thoughts and attitudes about responsible gambling - do operators have a duty to be socially responsible to all its stakeholders especially gamblers?

How many times are you going to post the same thing?

we are not stupid here

Cindy

 

[BingoT]

How many times are you going to post the same thing?
we are not stupid here
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[BingoT]

And Cindy said

How many times are you going to post the same thing?

we are not stupid here

Cindy

 

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oops my bad

Cindy

 

[bryand]

So in your opinion - is it responsible to check out verification only at the end?

Responsible gaming applies to the player IMO. What due diligence is required of a liquor store owner?

Do operators have a social responsibility towards its stakeholders?

For owners/stakeholders to answer, I guess.

What about people who are experiencing real problems with their gambling?

Supra.

Do you think responsible gamlbing features like slowing play and or providing financial records is the right way to go? or would you just say ... something else! help me out here!!!

The way to go for what? Define the object and the objective.

 

[bryand]

Perhaps a moderator can combine this thread with OP's other thread of similar flavor.

And perhaps OP will publish a copy of his/her dissertation when complete!

 

[bryand]

And another one for a moderator to combine.

Note to carjaw: One thread is enough! Too much coffee?

 

[carjaw]

I dont think anyone is stupid - I am just trying to dig as deep as I can for my research - the imput of academics and counsellors is one thing - the imput of gamblers is very probably more important. If anybody is stupid - then I probably come closest to that mark

 

[Josh66]

Do you mean "input".

Regards

J

 

[maxd]

Ok, now that I've spent the past 10 minutes cleaning up YOUR F*%#$#G MESS ... hi! Welcome to Casinomeister. Please don't do that again. Thank you. Good luck with the research.

 

[RobWin]

Do responsible gambling features work online? Will slowing play, showing timers and real money balances help players experiencing problems with their gambling? I am researching a PhD looking at responsible gambling measures in cyberspace and have a survey available at www.effectiveresponsiblegamblingfeatures.blogspot.com - I would love your comments, thoughts and attitudes about responsible gambling - do operators have a duty to be socially responsible to all its stakeholders especially gamblers?

Lookie here dude, your survey is already flawed by the time I get to the 7th question on your list!! After I answer question #6 the way I did, then how am I supposed to answer question #7 based on the way you have asked the question in #6 ??

 

[RobWin]

Maybe if you had asked question #7 as:

How long do you gamble online each time you do gamble online?

....then it would work for #7

 

[LaurieJim]

Maybe if you had asked question #7 as:

How long do you gamble online each time you do gamble online?

....then it would work for #7

i thought the same thing

 

[carjaw]

Oh dear ! I've made so many mistakes in such a short space of time ! I did a typo and wrote imput instead of input - i've required a moderator to cleanup my mess - i've been accused of thinking people on this site are stupid - and worst of all after spending much time with a Director of Studies made a hash of my survey on question numbers 6 and 7 !! I hope everyone on this thread will forigve me of my mistakes and instead help me out with my research. I will be pleased to give you all a sneak preview of the results of my survey and I will post a copy of the whole PhD - when my motivation returns and I continue with the writing of it !!!!

I must be mad but I ask again for any opinions on responsible online gambling? Is there a difference between being responsible online to being responsible in land-based venues? If someone is having a problem with their online habit - how can they best be helped? Self-exclusion? Spending limits? Time limits?

For some people gambling can become a problem - a big problem - what can the gambling industry do about it? Should a regulator come in? Should government get in on the act?

All comments are very welcome. Sorry for my mistakes

 

[carjaw]

I have amended Q7 Mr RobWin Guru

 

[bryand]

I think Robwin's comment about your survey was intended to be constructive - just as your use of the word "guru" was simply being playful.

I must be mad but I ask again for any opinions on responsible online gambling? Is there a difference between being responsible online to being responsible in land-based venues? If someone is having a problem with their online habit - how can they best be helped? Self-exclusion? Spending limits? Time limits?

The more germaine questions to ask may be:

Should the government treat gambling like liquor or illegal drugs?

Does 'drinking limits' work for alcoholics?

 

[carjaw]

I have made comparisons within and amongst the sin industries as some eg McDonald, 2007 would call the industries of sex, alcohol, tobacco and gambling not even education about the evils of drugs stops people from becoming addicted to drugs - but the aim of my 3 long long long years of research is to find things that work for internet gambling should a player experience problems - of course problems are across the spectrum and range from the mild to severe - very little research has been conducted on online gambling in the academic world - and my aim is to find out as much as i can from any and all interested parties - and then i have to write up 100,000 words but at least i am half way through. maye my conclusion will be the internet is not governable - maye my conclusion will be caveat emptor buer/consumer/player eware - but i am just making the effort to do what i can to find any answers

 

[carjaw]

caveat emptor - should have een typed buyer or consumer or gambler beware - just a typo with the laptop on my knees

 

[catrina m]

How many times are you going to post the same thing?

we are not stupid here

Cindy

No dull tools in this shed!

 

[bryand]

You can edit a post by clicking the 'edit' button then 'save'.

As suggested earlier, search for threads containing key words such as control, quit, help, etc. YOU WILL FIND a lot of the information you're looking for.

 

[catrina m]

For some people gambling can become a problem - a big problem - what can the gambling industry do about it? Should a regulator come in? Should government get in on the act?

All comments are very welcome. Sorry for my mistakes

Gambling should be up to the person that gambles. No one else.

I am sure if you wanted to you could lose everything you own in a matter of hours if not minutes.

Your question should be " who is smart enough to gamble"

Well, a lot of people have no self control. They might lose their house and all they have worked for when exposed to gambling.

So when should gambling controls be exercised?

Can you stop an alcoholic from drinking? Can you stop a shopaholic? Can you stop an addict?

Its up to the person in charge of their life. If you can't manage your life ( brittany spears comes to mind) then should someone else be given control of your life?

Who is smart enough to get out of this world alive?

 

[carjaw]

So - these responsible gambling features - such as self-exclusion, timers, pre-set limits - we shouldnt have them? Crippling debt is one of the most common outcomes of a gambling problem (In Britain the average UK problem gamblers debt is 17,500 Figures from GamCare) - problem gamblers negatively affect on average up to 17 other persons - Jim Orford suggests that by 2026 the number of problem gamblers will match the number of drug addicts - surely there is a problem for some? I am surprised at the comments in this forum because for me this forum is a key stakeholder in the debate - as part of the gambling community and so far - not much positive to be said about social responsiblity on the part of operators - comments are really - well it is up to the individual. So should operators be ensuring underage gamblers dont play? Or is that up to the individual as well? I am genuinely seeking for comments about responsible gambling - and I have until the end of June 2009 to put this element of my research together - Any further comments will be gratefully received?

 

[carjaw]

Also I cant really search other threads! Because my research will only permit this thread I have started off to be included - I will check out the other threads - but I need submissions to this one (to keep my supervisor happy) but thank you for your advice - i hadnt thought of that - being in these cobwebbed halls of learning with giant books of classical theory - I sometimes think I have lot the plot!!

 

[KasinoKing]

So - these responsible gambling features - such as self-exclusion, timers, pre-set limits - we shouldnt have them?

No point really - they wont work.
Not unless there comes a day when there is a "Governing Body of the Whole Internet" so that when a player asks to be restricted or barred from one site, this is also applied to ALL online gambling sites automatically.

As others have tried to point out, you can ban an alcoholic from one off-license or pub, but there is nothing to stop him going to another one. Online is even worse because he can go to any 'off-license" on the entire planet! (In this case Off-license = Online casino).

I do really wish there was a way to control this problem, just as I wish there was a way to stop alcoholism, drug abuse, rape, murder, war and all the other evils of this world - but it just ain't never gonna happen - not unless the whole world unites as one big society.

Until that day, everyone MUST take the responsibility and the consequences of their own actions.

My 2c.
Take care everyone!

 

[RobWin]

carjaw, the only true way of helping any problem gambler in the online world or the land based casino world is thru their own willpower to "Self Exclude" themselves from any and all forms of this habit.

Otherwise it's like cutting off or throwing a heavy drinker out of the pub just so he can walk down the street to the liquor store and buy his own bottle.

 

[carjaw]

Thank you KasinoKing and RobWin - KasinoKing - your answer to me is like alittle nugget of gold - because it is your analysis and attitude I want. To be honest, I am surprised that I am not receiving comments about the industry and comments saying that the industry 'should do more' - and not much mention that for a minority gambing an become a huge problem (see my earlier reference to debt and addition). Comments about a comparison to drink and drugs - and opinion that the individual is responsible for his or her behaviour abound - but doesnt anybody expect the industry to practice the 'responsible gambling' most sites normally state on their website that they follow? Is the phenomena of responsible internet gambling impossible, unnecessary, pointless - after all whilst we are driving - most of us wear seatbelts to one comply with the law and seondly to minimise harm if there is an accident - so shouldnt players adopt responsible features when they are gambling as provided by operators?

 

[RobWin]

carjaw Slow down...

carjaw, slowdown with the spamming of the board buddy before you end up getting banned here. Folks will help you out with your survey...just stick to your main thread and keep the posts in it relevent...

 

[same_old]

Carjaw, please slow down, you need to read the forum rules, you have opened your own thread and should only be posting your queries there.

These guys are a great bunch and will assist you but you are breaking some rules of the forum.

Just slow down a bit and let people actually read your thread before you write i every section you see.

 

[The Dude]

Carjam is in the moderated user group now. I wish I had the last 15 minutes back. I'm sure Max feels the same way.

 

[The Dude]

Also I cant really search other threads! Because my research will only permit this thread I have started off to be included - I will check out the other threads - but I need submissions to this one (to keep my supervisor happy) but thank you for your advice - i hadnt thought of that - being in these cobwebbed halls of learning with giant books of classical theory - I sometimes think I have lot the plot!!

What kind of weirdo research are you dealing with that doesn't allow you to research the rest of the forum, much less the entire Internet?

Please do not seek submissions from the members other than this thread please.

 

[RobWin]

Carjam is in the moderated user group now. I wish I had the last 15 minutes back. I'm sure Max feels the same way.

Carjam lol..

 

[The Dude]

carjaw, slowdown with the spamming of the board buddy before you end up getting banned here...

Me thinks you're addressing a lady - not a "buddy"

 

[RobWin]

Me thinks you're addressing a lady - not a "buddy"

Ohhh...sorry there carjaw..

but on that note I will say that...all of the ladies are my buddies...

 

[suzecat]

Carjaw .... serious question ... where do you get a Ph.D in BS?

 

[heatherad]

Carjaw .... serious question ... where do you get a Ph.D in BS?

ROTF

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Carjaw .... serious question ... where do you get a Ph.D in BS?

Why does someone new or different always get a snide comment in this forum?

 

[suzecat]

Why does someone new or different always get a snide comment in this forum?

Oh it's really ok Geezer I'm used to being different. Used to snide comments too (we go way back, huh ?)

 

[mercy]

Oh it's really ok Geezer I'm used to being different. Used to snide comments too (we go way back, huh ?)

Another one of my irrelevant posts..........

 

[winbig]

Ohhh...sorry there carjaw..

but on that note I will say that...all of the ladies are my buddies...

Does your wife know of these special "buddies?"

 

[catrina m]

Why does someone new or different always get a snide comment in this forum?

It all depends on what they are saying does it not?

What exactly is being said here other than " I need help with this" and then help arrives in THIS FORUM.

You do not like the honest comments from an honest group of gambling idiots, lol?

 

[Simmo!]

Anyway, getting back on topic

My first problem is - is it possible to have responsible gambling?

It is possible for the operators to adhere to guidelines regarding responsible gambling, but I think the answer is "no". In the same way that you can't enforce responsible "shoe shopping" or responsible alcohol glugging. If someone wants to do something badly enough they will find a way. Simple as that.

Anyone can lie and sign up to a casino. The casinos could ask for documents up front, but even then whats to stop the someone providing fake ID? Easy enough I'm sure. Aside from which the bottom would fall out of the market

Another area you might want to research is "reverse withdrawal". Now there's something that definately falls into dubious territory although the ball is squarely in the court of (some of) the software providers on that one.

 

[carjaw]

At the end of the day - I guess the stakeholders of gambling in this forum are not concerned about responsible gambling features for a variety of reasons, the most important one being the individual freedom of the player - I see it from the oter way around and that gambling can be a harmful product and that governments have traitionally sought to control it proactively - and now the internet is in the mix - how can governments control it? Like I say - I respect what I have heard - for me - operators need to supply responsible gambling features and i thought players might find certain features more useful than others

 

[bryand]

At the end of the day - I guess the stakeholders of gambling in this forum are not concerned about responsible gambling features for a variety of reasons, the most important one being the individual freedom of the player - I see it from the oter way around and that gambling can be a harmful product and that governments have traitionally sought to control it proactively - and now the internet is in the mix - how can governments control it? Like I say - I respect what I have heard - for me - operators need to supply responsible gambling features and i thought players might find certain features more useful than others

Again, I ask why online casinos should have different safeguards than other vices. Imagine if I told the owner of every tavern in my town: I cannot control my drinking. Please limit me to 1 drink per hour, not to exceed 3 drinks in a 24-hour period.

In fact, most online casinos at least flush withdrawals (make them unreversible) upon request.