Hello and can you help a PhD student of Gambling?

[catrina m]

How many times are you going to post the same thing?

we are not stupid here

Cindy

No dull tools in this shed!

 

[bryand]

You can edit a post by clicking the 'edit' button then 'save'.

As suggested earlier, search for threads containing key words such as control, quit, help, etc. YOU WILL FIND a lot of the information you're looking for.

 

[catrina m]

For some people gambling can become a problem - a big problem - what can the gambling industry do about it? Should a regulator come in? Should government get in on the act?

All comments are very welcome. Sorry for my mistakes

Gambling should be up to the person that gambles. No one else.

I am sure if you wanted to you could lose everything you own in a matter of hours if not minutes.

Your question should be " who is smart enough to gamble"

Well, a lot of people have no self control. They might lose their house and all they have worked for when exposed to gambling.

So when should gambling controls be exercised?

Can you stop an alcoholic from drinking? Can you stop a shopaholic? Can you stop an addict?

Its up to the person in charge of their life. If you can't manage your life ( brittany spears comes to mind) then should someone else be given control of your life?

Who is smart enough to get out of this world alive?

 

[carjaw]

So - these responsible gambling features - such as self-exclusion, timers, pre-set limits - we shouldnt have them? Crippling debt is one of the most common outcomes of a gambling problem (In Britain the average UK problem gamblers debt is 17,500 Figures from GamCare) - problem gamblers negatively affect on average up to 17 other persons - Jim Orford suggests that by 2026 the number of problem gamblers will match the number of drug addicts - surely there is a problem for some? I am surprised at the comments in this forum because for me this forum is a key stakeholder in the debate - as part of the gambling community and so far - not much positive to be said about social responsiblity on the part of operators - comments are really - well it is up to the individual. So should operators be ensuring underage gamblers dont play? Or is that up to the individual as well? I am genuinely seeking for comments about responsible gambling - and I have until the end of June 2009 to put this element of my research together - Any further comments will be gratefully received?

 

[carjaw]

Also I cant really search other threads! Because my research will only permit this thread I have started off to be included - I will check out the other threads - but I need submissions to this one (to keep my supervisor happy) but thank you for your advice - i hadnt thought of that - being in these cobwebbed halls of learning with giant books of classical theory - I sometimes think I have lot the plot!!

 

[KasinoKing]

So - these responsible gambling features - such as self-exclusion, timers, pre-set limits - we shouldnt have them?

No point really - they wont work.
Not unless there comes a day when there is a "Governing Body of the Whole Internet" so that when a player asks to be restricted or barred from one site, this is also applied to ALL online gambling sites automatically.

As others have tried to point out, you can ban an alcoholic from one off-license or pub, but there is nothing to stop him going to another one. Online is even worse because he can go to any 'off-license" on the entire planet! (In this case Off-license = Online casino).

I do really wish there was a way to control this problem, just as I wish there was a way to stop alcoholism, drug abuse, rape, murder, war and all the other evils of this world - but it just ain't never gonna happen - not unless the whole world unites as one big society.

Until that day, everyone MUST take the responsibility and the consequences of their own actions.

My 2c.
Take care everyone!

 

[RobWin]

carjaw, the only true way of helping any problem gambler in the online world or the land based casino world is thru their own willpower to "Self Exclude" themselves from any and all forms of this habit.

Otherwise it's like cutting off or throwing a heavy drinker out of the pub just so he can walk down the street to the liquor store and buy his own bottle.

 

[carjaw]

Thank you KasinoKing and RobWin - KasinoKing - your answer to me is like alittle nugget of gold - because it is your analysis and attitude I want. To be honest, I am surprised that I am not receiving comments about the industry and comments saying that the industry 'should do more' - and not much mention that for a minority gambing an become a huge problem (see my earlier reference to debt and addition). Comments about a comparison to drink and drugs - and opinion that the individual is responsible for his or her behaviour abound - but doesnt anybody expect the industry to practice the 'responsible gambling' most sites normally state on their website that they follow? Is the phenomena of responsible internet gambling impossible, unnecessary, pointless - after all whilst we are driving - most of us wear seatbelts to one comply with the law and seondly to minimise harm if there is an accident - so shouldnt players adopt responsible features when they are gambling as provided by operators?

 

[RobWin]

carjaw Slow down...

carjaw, slowdown with the spamming of the board buddy before you end up getting banned here. Folks will help you out with your survey...just stick to your main thread and keep the posts in it relevent...

 

[same_old]

Carjaw, please slow down, you need to read the forum rules, you have opened your own thread and should only be posting your queries there.

These guys are a great bunch and will assist you but you are breaking some rules of the forum.

Just slow down a bit and let people actually read your thread before you write i every section you see.

 

[Casinomeister]

Carjam is in the moderated user group now. I wish I had the last 15 minutes back. I'm sure Max feels the same way.

 

[Casinomeister]

Also I cant really search other threads! Because my research will only permit this thread I have started off to be included - I will check out the other threads - but I need submissions to this one (to keep my supervisor happy) but thank you for your advice - i hadnt thought of that - being in these cobwebbed halls of learning with giant books of classical theory - I sometimes think I have lot the plot!!

What kind of weirdo research are you dealing with that doesn't allow you to research the rest of the forum, much less the entire Internet?

Please do not seek submissions from the members other than this thread please.

 

[RobWin]

Carjam is in the moderated user group now. I wish I had the last 15 minutes back. I'm sure Max feels the same way.

Carjam lol..

 

[Casinomeister]

carjaw, slowdown with the spamming of the board buddy before you end up getting banned here...

Me thinks you're addressing a lady - not a "buddy"

 

[RobWin]

Me thinks you're addressing a lady - not a "buddy"

Ohhh...sorry there carjaw..

but on that note I will say that...all of the ladies are my buddies...

 

[suzecat]

Carjaw .... serious question ... where do you get a Ph.D in BS?

 

[heatherad]

Carjaw .... serious question ... where do you get a Ph.D in BS?

ROTF

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Carjaw .... serious question ... where do you get a Ph.D in BS?

Why does someone new or different always get a snide comment in this forum?

 

[suzecat]

Why does someone new or different always get a snide comment in this forum?

Oh it's really ok Geezer I'm used to being different. Used to snide comments too (we go way back, huh ?)

 

[mercy]

Oh it's really ok Geezer I'm used to being different. Used to snide comments too (we go way back, huh ?)

Another one of my irrelevant posts..........

 

[winbig]

Ohhh...sorry there carjaw..

but on that note I will say that...all of the ladies are my buddies...

Does your wife know of these special "buddies?"

 

[catrina m]

Why does someone new or different always get a snide comment in this forum?

It all depends on what they are saying does it not?

What exactly is being said here other than " I need help with this" and then help arrives in THIS FORUM.

You do not like the honest comments from an honest group of gambling idiots, lol?

 

[Simmo!]

Anyway, getting back on topic

My first problem is - is it possible to have responsible gambling?

It is possible for the operators to adhere to guidelines regarding responsible gambling, but I think the answer is "no". In the same way that you can't enforce responsible "shoe shopping" or responsible alcohol glugging. If someone wants to do something badly enough they will find a way. Simple as that.

Anyone can lie and sign up to a casino. The casinos could ask for documents up front, but even then whats to stop the someone providing fake ID? Easy enough I'm sure. Aside from which the bottom would fall out of the market

Another area you might want to research is "reverse withdrawal". Now there's something that definately falls into dubious territory although the ball is squarely in the court of (some of) the software providers on that one.

 

[carjaw]

At the end of the day - I guess the stakeholders of gambling in this forum are not concerned about responsible gambling features for a variety of reasons, the most important one being the individual freedom of the player - I see it from the oter way around and that gambling can be a harmful product and that governments have traitionally sought to control it proactively - and now the internet is in the mix - how can governments control it? Like I say - I respect what I have heard - for me - operators need to supply responsible gambling features and i thought players might find certain features more useful than others

 

[bryand]

At the end of the day - I guess the stakeholders of gambling in this forum are not concerned about responsible gambling features for a variety of reasons, the most important one being the individual freedom of the player - I see it from the oter way around and that gambling can be a harmful product and that governments have traitionally sought to control it proactively - and now the internet is in the mix - how can governments control it? Like I say - I respect what I have heard - for me - operators need to supply responsible gambling features and i thought players might find certain features more useful than others

Again, I ask why online casinos should have different safeguards than other vices. Imagine if I told the owner of every tavern in my town: I cannot control my drinking. Please limit me to 1 drink per hour, not to exceed 3 drinks in a 24-hour period.

In fact, most online casinos at least flush withdrawals (make them unreversible) upon request.