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Woman blames gambling debt on casino

Discussion in 'North American Land Based Casinos' started by Mousey, Aug 31, 2007.

    Aug 31, 2007
  1. Mousey

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    Quite a lengthy article, but an interesting read.

     
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  2. Aug 31, 2007
  3. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    It is interesting that they had previously sued her then invited her back into their credit net. Doesn't look like TN or IN have laws against predatory lending practices. Wonder if the FTC will be involved as it was interstate.

    I think the casino should eat it, they took a gamble on her and lost. boohoo. We do it all the time, eat our losses.:lick:
     
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  4. Aug 31, 2007
  5. happygobrokey

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    they oughtn't have gave her credit to begin with. but at the same time a person has to realize that in accepting credit, there is an obligation to pay it back.

    they were happy to keep giving credit knowing full well she was broke, where did they expect to get paid back from unless they expected her to win? so, the only logical answer is to keep extending credit until she has enough to pay them back. maybe if they give her real money credit to invest in positive expectations, instead of giving her an ass to lose in their pit of hell?

    but really since she was using their money and lost their money back to them, they aren't out anything. plus they have all of her million dollar inheritance and she lost her house to them, what more do they want? stones don't contain blood.

    and the article goes on to say the casino can be awarded treble (3x) the amount owed if they win, so are casinos going to start giving out unlimited credit to everyone, and then sue for treble when the debtors default? and who's going to pay because these people are all broke? are they going to take the person's entire paycheque (paycheck) for the rest of their lives, so they can get back the funny money they indiscriminately doled out to easy marks?

    now that there's a land-based section, can we rogue B&M's? :thumbsup:
     
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  6. Sep 1, 2007
  7. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account webmeister

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    imo theres two sides to every story, both sides were clearly in the wrong. i have played at caesars indiana and i liked it but didnt get any unlimited perks like that lol. it is also listed on the top 10 casinos in the world as being the largest floating casino . i did get to see( 2 ) 500.00 slot machines there, i didnt even know 500.00 ones existed.
     
  8. Sep 1, 2007
  9. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

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    The Trop has the $500 too

    The Trop has the Crystal Room, every machine has their own television set lol. The Borgata has $1000 machines!!! Imagine that
     
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  10. Sep 3, 2007
  11. SlotsWizard

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    Sounds like W2-G hell to me.
     
  12. Sep 3, 2007
  13. tennis_balls

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    this is why it should be illegal to loan women money
     
  14. Sep 3, 2007
  15. dominique

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    There are two parts to this - you can't blame the casino for sending out promos for comps or bonuses or whatever. We all like to get these. The devil is in how you use them.

    You CAN blame the casino for extending credit to a known compulsive gambler. Caesars definitely had that info about her available.

    IMO knowingly enticing a compulsive gambler to borrow money to play is scummy and the lowest of the low.

    Bartenders are not allowed to serve drinks to intoxicated people. Casinos should not be allowed to extend credit to known compulsive gamblers.

    IMO Caesar's acted rogue here.
     
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  16. Sep 3, 2007
  17. AudiManinBoro

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    While I agree it is not however Illegal
     
  18. Sep 3, 2007
  19. NASHVEGAS

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    Actually, it is standard operating procedure for those who have the financial capacity to establish credit lines and the more you gamble,the more frequent and enticing offers via non-stop marketing, not saying it is right or wrong. Ay, will just leave at that for now.
     
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  20. Sep 3, 2007
  21. buzzweisergrl

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    Recognizing the problem

    It is no one's fault but the ladies. She needs to accept the responsibility to do something about her gambling problem. I can't feel sorry for her. I to had a problem with compulsive gambling and signed myself off all the boats in Missouri. That's the problem in today's world no one ever has to accept responsibility. There is always someone else to blame.
     
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  22. Sep 3, 2007
  23. NASHVEGAS

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    Amen, you took the words right out of my mouth where I decided to stop in my preceding post. So now I will say my other thought I did not mention, another frivilious lawsuit.:thumbsup:
     
  24. Sep 3, 2007
  25. dominique

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    I have to agree with that too, and that realization is especially important to the lady herself, or she will never get herself better.

    However, I still think it's scummy to lend money to someone you know is addicted to whatever when you know it's only going to feed the addiction and push them deeper into trouble.

    This is not too far removed from the mob breaking kneecaps after lending money to an addict they knew darn well could not repay.
     
  26. Sep 4, 2007
  27. NASHVEGAS

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    Not necessarily disagreeing but how does the casino determine addiction for anyone including those that have the financial capacity (which is actually verified and periodically updated by the casino credit departments). I may be an addict and assume I have the financial capacity so how does the casino determine if I am an addict possibly self destructing and then when is exactly the proper time for the casino to draw this line. There is none imo unless I inform them of a gambling problem. BTW, although I can not say if this is significant or not, but B&M's advertise just about everywhere from your room key to whatever a 800 number for those with gambling problems.:)
     
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  28. Sep 4, 2007
  29. pokeraddict

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    We are talking about Harrah's here. I don't think I've ever heard anybody call them classy.
     
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  30. Sep 4, 2007
  31. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Or the 'buddy' who comes around with a spliff and a fourty when someone gets out of a treatment center... or the 'first one's free' heroin dealer.

    An addict is an addict and when someone offers them their 'behavior of choice', that person is in the wrong.

    I'm all for self responsibility, but still think the casino or their financial arm should just eat it in this case. boohoo for them, they gambled and lost.
     
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  32. Sep 4, 2007
  33. dominique

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    I think the fact that she filed bankcruptcy when she owed the casino last time may have been a good indicator to stop lending her money.
     
  34. Sep 4, 2007
  35. NASHVEGAS

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    Certainly creditworthiness is valid and also is used in determining one's credit line as well as financial capacity but I was not refering to the Caesar's case but in general pursuant to your quote which the word "you" must have been singular(the Caesar's lady) and I read as plural. Sorry.
     
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  36. Sep 4, 2007
  37. dominique

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    Haha, oh the precision of the english language. :p
     
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  38. Sep 18, 2007
  39. noluckever67

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    Hi
    this raises far wider implications and for those who scorn this women maybe they need to rethink there attitudes towards problem gambling.
    If there was no such thing then reputable sites would not have to be advertising self exclusion tools on them for an start and ok this is an land based casino or river whatever but in the UK it is possible to be banned and excluded from EVERY single casino very easily.Now any reputable casino es land based would never ever call someone whom they fine knew had gambling problems.

    This matter goes an lot further than this one case gambling sadly causes major disruptions in many peoples lives and has done for many years but unlike an alcoholic who can be easily spotted the gambler can continue to gamble unnoticed.Maybe its time for people to realise that this is not an small % of gamblers but increasing more and more every single day MAINLY due to internet gambling.Last year the number of calls to gamcare increased 5 fold on the year before . Now you look at reasons why people might be calling them and you will find its because they have gambled more than they can afford and are not in control.This is an problem.

    I do laugh at websites whom offer customers an 6 month cooling off period.Why not for good?? an compulsive gambler will never ever be cured so why 6 months?? I think its absolutely disgusting to scorn anyone who loses vast sums and i feel what she is doing is morally correct in making people notice exactly the influence gambling has on peoples lives.Its like for example you being an recovering alcoholic and an bar calls you up offering free drink all night would you call this correct???its exactly the same thing and quicker people realise this the better because sadly this is going to become an helluva lot worse before it gets better.

    Please dont think i am having an go at gambling what i am doing is trying to get through that with gambling must come much more responsibilities knowing the effect gambling has on peoples lives.For the majority this is an social pastime but more and more its becoming problematic.So please dont scorn this woman scorn at the ruthlessness casino operators who with FREE offers plant seeds in someones head someone they knew 100% had an problem and make them responsible.
     

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