Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I’m surprised that somebody who often harps on about RTP is happy at videoslots.

If you want to tar all support with the same brush and cba even trying then that’s up to you.

No idea why anybody would rather play lower RTP slots that are available elsewhere at top RTP. Even if there are other reasons that you’ve highlighted.

It’s top RTP or nothing for me. Even if I had a favourite game there is absolutely no way I’m attacking it at 92%

Each to their own of course. I’m just surprised that somebody like urself who has highlighted how important it is, has given in.

It's easy enough to avoid the games with the nerfed RTPs though, I haven't played any PnGs or Prags at VS since they got hit with the nerf bat, but as per my previous post it's easy enough to find games with solid RTPs. I also get offered games that don't seem to be available to UK players at VS, such as Taxi Movida which has an RTP of 98.27%.

Worms Reloaded has only ever existed in a single maths model, with basegame RTP of 92.66% and then the Jackpot King contributions taking it to a reasonable 95.66%, so I'm not playing a gimped version of it, it's the only version there's ever been.

It's an incredibly low volatility game, hitting over 100x on it is something of a rarity, so it can get away with rather poor RTP. It's also packed with features, it's unusual for the autoplayer to get through 100 spins without some sort of feature being triggered.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yes fair enough, obv it depends on what games you like to play. Ur right VS does have a huge library but 95% of that library is now fucked imo. So for me it makes no sense to deposit there for the sake of a game or 2.

I’m mainly playing prags at the moment but do occasionally like to do a low stake bonus hunt with a mix of games including prags, netent, push and play n go.

Obv doing any of that on VS is akin to madness.

They offer me a bonus every week tbf (even tho they’ve had 1 deposit off me since lowering RTP’s) but I simply refuse to play games on horse shit RTP.

If I could ever handle it I could use it to attack bonanza or other BTG slots but when you’ve run like me on their games even using a very generous bonus (which VS one isn’t) it’s still massively -EV.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Something of a nice run at VS yesterday, with a modest £100 deposit to have some slots running alongside an extended Cyberpunk 2077 session (pro tip - one of the best videogames ever in its new V2 form.)

Long story short is after SEVEN AND A HALF HOURS of continual play on Genie Jackpots Wishmaker Jackpot King on 20p spins, I had a balance of £127. I also unlocked a Wheel Of Jackpots (not sure why) which yielded 75 free spins on Punk Rocker (an actual jackpot on the Wheel Of Jackpots would have been preferred of course, but anyway), when played through these took my withdrawable balance to £142.

It's not even like the slot has a crazy RTP, it's 95.57% for the slot with another 0.5% in progressive contributions, for a total overall RTP of 96%. Solid, but not spectacular.

This is how I like to play a progressive, slots like Mega Moolah give over far too much RTP to the progressive, so you're left with an actual slot paying some nonsense like 88% or whatever horseshit it is. However the progressive is still there on the Jackpot King games, so at the back of my mind I was like, hmmm, £645K, that'd be nice, I could build the world's biggest shrine to Jeremy Corbyn.

In terms of gameplay it was fine, you know how these low volatility Blueprints roll, loads of features and mini-features, it's pretty rare for the autoplay to go 100 spins without something stopping it, even if it does only pay 5x or whatever (or zero....).

I got every feature on the wheel, including Big Money, although that came off the Magic Carpet feature.

I also saw the Jackpot King feature itself four times, which I think is quite good on minimum bet, alas the jackpots eluded me and the best I managed was 80x off the spinny wheel of amazing prizes. (On two of them I bombed out on the pre-game where you collect the crowns, so didn't even get to spin the wheel.)

Anyway, seven and a half hours of slotting, and being £42 better off at the end of it is a good deal - I'll take it!

As an extra bonus I got a cool new shotgun in Cyberpunk and I think my lass looks pretty badass with it.

TECHNICAL NOTE - In the entire seven and a half hour session I had one game disconnect, that just required loading it back in, other than that is was flawless.

Here are some screenies of some of the notable wins from the session.

 

[Lemon]

Nice write-up!

Sounds pretty good this Videoslots place. Might have to check it out ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nice write-up!

Sounds pretty good this Videoslots place. Might have to check it out ?

Shill for hire!

 

[johnnymcc1966]

I have been playing a lot at Videoslots of late and I like them despite the lowered RTP,which doesnt affect me too much as I steer clear of Pragmatics for the most part. It seems fair and the choice of games is fantastic. The freerolls are good if you've played there enough so I'd recommend it. The £20 minimum withdrawal is a bit of a bugbear of mine though and their sports betting side is not the best but overall it's very good and among the best nowadays.

 

[Jono777]

It is now the ONLY place I play and has been for a long time, this is also unlikely to change in the future....

Various reasons including

Winning days, paid within minutes
Every game anyone could ever want, despite me sticking to the same handful
Site seems pretty stable and responsive these days, games load and play as they should
Chances of the aforementioned Wheel of JP's (had quite a few since they made the changes!)
Despite the moans, the Battle of Slots is nice added bonus and rewards return decent from time to time
Good active reps / management available here on CM
Competition does very little if anything to entice me to play elsewhere

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The lower RTP side of things at VS is far less of an issue than it used to be. I went over to Unibet.com (the international site) before depositing at VS yesterday and they're taking everything at 92-94% these days, unless the game has a fixed RTP that's higher than that. They've also removed all the NetEnt 98% slots from their library, which were still there maybe 12-18 months ago.

Also with VS, they keep loads of old games on their books, and where they were originally released at 95-96% with no other maths models, they're still available at those original RTPs, whereas at other casinos they're just gone full stop.

The other thing with VS is they pay quickly, and they're active here at CM, which is a big plus in my book.

Obviously I'm not going to play any of the slots with gimped RTPs there, if I wanted to play Pragmatics or PnG for example, I'd do that over at Rizk. However VS have loads of games that just aren't on the books at Rizk. Indeed in terms of game selection nowhere else seems to close, and I can't find Worms Reloaded anywhere else!

The wheels aren't as frequent or as generous as they used to be, but they're still there, and the My RTP functionality is appreciated.

Overall a decent enough place to play IMO.

I'm still slightly mystified as to why I was awarded a Wheel of Jackpots, although I'm not complaining

 

[Jono777]

The lower RTP side of things at VS is far less of an issue than it used to be. I went over to Unibet.com (the international site) before depositing at VS yesterday and they're taking everything at 92-94% these days, unless the game has a fixed RTP that's higher than that. They've also removed all the NetEnt 98% slots from their library, which were still there maybe 12-18 months ago.

Also with VS, they keep loads of old games on their books, and where they were originally released at 95-96% with no other maths models, they're still available at those original RTPs, whereas at other casinos they're just gone full stop.

The other thing with VS is they pay quickly, and they're active here at CM, which is a big plus in my book.

Obviously I'm not going to play any of the slots with gimped RTPs there, if I wanted to play Pragmatics or PnG for example, I'd do that over at Rizk. However VS have loads of games that just aren't on the books at Rizk. Indeed in terms of game selection nowhere else seems to close, and I can't find Worms Reloaded anywhere else!

The wheels aren't as frequent or as generous as they used to be, but they're still there, and the My RTP functionality is appreciated.

Overall a decent enough place to play IMO.

I'm still slightly mystified as to why I was awarded a Wheel of Jackpots, although I'm not complaining

The way these work was changed a few month's back mate.

They're no longer based on amount of spins/wins done on a certain game or in a specific time frame or on XP earnt.

They are completely awarded by their system at random at any time, although it carries a higher chance of a trigger the lower the RTP of a game. Also higher bets increase the chance of a wheel, that being said, I've had about 8-10 since the changes triggered by 10p/20p bets.

The 'new' wheel is also generic (to our licencing jurisdiction) with the prizes 50/75/100 FS or 50/100/200 cash prizes along with the 3 standard jackpots. Where the old wheel prizes were more varied dependent on how you were awarded them

Like I say, completely random when they decide to pop up you can get 2 with a few spins of each other or you could play every day and wait a month apart to get them. Sure Mr Wild mentioned despite the randomness they would be awarded roughly on average every €3.500 wagered.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The way these work was changed a few month's back mate.

They're no longer based on amount of spins/wins done on a certain game or in a specific time frame or on XP earnt.

They are completely awarded by their system at random at any time, although it carries a higher chance of a trigger the lower the RTP of a game. Also higher bets increase the chance of a wheel, that being said, I've had about 8-10 since the changes triggered by 10p/20p bets.

The 'new' wheel is also generic (to our licencing jurisdiction) with the prizes 50/75/100 FS or 50/100/200 cash prizes along with the 3 standard jackpots. Where the old wheel prizes were more varied dependent on how you were awarded them

Like I say, completely random when they decide to pop up you can get 2 with a few spins of each other or you could play every day and wait a month apart to get them. Sure Mr Wild mentioned despite the randomness they would be awarded roughly on average every €3.500 wagered.

Ahhh cheers Jono that makes sense

I'll keep an eye out for them appearing (or not....) on my Rewards page

 

[slot_zombie]

Very nice run, I'm a bit mystified why you took the trouble to blank out your surname in the screenshot when pretty much every man and his dog, at least in the emulation world, knows it.

Just being around a cohort of slots on a site with gimped RTPs is enough to put a dampener on an evening's slotting. Having "they really don't want me to win here" at the back of my mind is a downer, even if I don't actually touch the gimped stuff.

 

[Mr Wild]

I have been playing a lot at Videoslots of late and I like them despite the lowered RTP,which doesnt affect me too much as I steer clear of Pragmatics for the most part. It seems fair and the choice of games is fantastic. The freerolls are good if you've played there enough so I'd recommend it. The £20 minimum withdrawal is a bit of a bugbear of mine though and their sports betting side is not the best but overall it's very good and among the best nowadays.

What do you feel is missing in the sportsbook?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Something of a nice run at VS yesterday, with a modest £100 deposit to have some slots running alongside an extended Cyberpunk 2077 session (pro tip - one of the best videogames ever in its new V2 form.)

Long story short is after SEVEN AND A HALF HOURS of continual play on Genie Jackpots Wishmaker Jackpot King on 20p spins, I had a balance of £127. I also unlocked a Wheel Of Jackpots (not sure why) which yielded 75 free spins on Punk Rocker (an actual jackpot on the Wheel Of Jackpots would have been preferred of course, but anyway), when played through these took my withdrawable balance to £142.

It's not even like the slot has a crazy RTP, it's 95.57% for the slot with another 0.5% in progressive contributions, for a total overall RTP of 96%. Solid, but not spectacular.

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This is how I like to play a progressive, slots like Mega Moolah give over far too much RTP to the progressive, so you're left with an actual slot paying some nonsense like 88% or whatever horseshit it is. However the progressive is still there on the Jackpot King games, so at the back of my mind I was like, hmmm, £645K, that'd be nice, I could build the world's biggest shrine to Jeremy Corbyn.

In terms of gameplay it was fine, you know how these low volatility Blueprints roll, loads of features and mini-features, it's pretty rare for the autoplay to go 100 spins without something stopping it, even if it does only pay 5x or whatever (or zero....).

I got every feature on the wheel, including Big Money, although that came off the Magic Carpet feature.

I also saw the Jackpot King feature itself four times, which I think is quite good on minimum bet, alas the jackpots eluded me and the best I managed was 80x off the spinny wheel of amazing prizes. (On two of them I bombed out on the pre-game where you collect the crowns, so didn't even get to spin the wheel.)

Anyway, seven and a half hours of slotting, and being £42 better off at the end of it is a good deal - I'll take it!

As an extra bonus I got a cool new shotgun in Cyberpunk and I think my lass looks pretty badass with it.

TECHNICAL NOTE - In the entire seven and a half hour session I had one game disconnect, that just required loading it back in, other than that is was flawless.

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Here are some screenies of some of the notable wins from the session.

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So I pushed this session into Day Two (yesterday) and my luck ran out, but I got over another seven hours out of the balance, so that's something in the region of 13-14 hours slotting out of a single £100 deposit, even allowing for downtime when I was out of the room or too busy in Cyberpunk 2077 to interact with the game, we're still talking well over ten hours of solid spinning.

My weapon of choice for the second session was Bison Rising Megaways Jackpot King, and it wasn't great. I took the 15 spins starting at 1x multiplier every time, got nine features in total, best was 240x but the rest were in the 30-100x range, not terrible, but not enough to salvage things. Base game was uninspiring and didn't hit anything of note. Only got one shot at the progressive Jackpot King feature which paid 30x on the wheel.

Having had an extended session on the game now I can't say I'm a massive fan really, the feature in particular is very frustrating and just 'feels' a lot worse than Bonanza somehow.

Overall no complaints, with the good session being balanced out by the bad, add in the house edge and extended playtime, and the end result was sort of inevitable

 

[johnnymcc1966]

What do you feel is missing in the sportsbook?

The layout is not the greatest to navigate and the in play football markets,which are my own favourite,are sometimes freezing and other times not available at all. In play football betting is where it's at for the big boys and where competitors to Betfair,Bet365 etc need to be aiming if they want to compete.
Just to add that the Cricket World Cup is on at the moment and VS dont appear to do Cricket betting nor Horseracing.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I am back at Videoslots trying to win the Jackpot King SUPER JACKPOT which has now climbed to a palatable £648,000 - an amount I would deem acceptable.

I like Genie Jackpots Wishmaker as a slot anyway, so adding a juicy progressive onto that whilst maintaining nearly all of the RTP is an agreeable combination. (As a game I'd prefer Worms Reloaded TBH (albeit by a narrow margin), but that drops the main game's RTP to funnel more into the progressive contributions.)

I have switched to using my Revolut virtual card so that SINISTER GAMBLING TRANSACTIONS do not besmirch my primary debit card and bank account.* VS did not seem phased by this and took my deposit (unlike Unibet which refused to accept Revolut), although doubtless they'll have something to say about it should I end up making a withdrawal....

After a slightly rocky start this dropped in, so from a £100 starting position it's going OK so far, I've also had a shot at the big progressive, which alas fell slightly short of the £648K, and awarded £18 instead.

349x off the feature was quite welcome though.

* I used my credit card to buy a modest amount of crypto at Coinbase to play at 3Dice a few months ago, after HSBC decided to stop my debit card working there for some reason. Even though the credit card gets paid off in full every month, Clearscore flagged it as a cash withdrawal on a credit card and listed it as a negative indicator for three months, albeit it didn't affect my credit score. As such I now funnel everything through Revolut in that space (using my HSBC debit card), as HSBC just seem to see that as a bank transfer type affair.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So here are the stats from yesterday, in the end I did 3682 spins and achieved an RTP of 103.1%, which is officially known as 'quite good'.

At my high point I was at £190 (from a £100 deposit), and I'd set myself a withdrawal target of £200, but it slowly started to slip away from me at that point, although I still finished nicely above where I'd started.

I also can't complain about the progressive round, which I triggered five times, and whilst the best it paid was 90x, considering it only accounts for 0.49% of RTP, that's not bad going at all. It's a far better way to do a progressive IMO, the fact it can pay non-progressive prizes means it can be triggered relatively frequently, which is great for a low stakes player like me.

I also got another WHEEL OF JACKPOTS which this time awarded 50 free spins on some crappy new PnG thing I can't even remember the name of, and the spins didn't pay much either.

Therefore I go into day two with a balance of £126.08p.

In Cyberpunk news, I found myself arguing with a gun that wouldn't let me change its name from 'Skippy' to something else because I didn't have administrator permissions. It's also developed a murderous streak and now refuses to carry out non-lethal takedowns.

This is the PnG game I got the free spins on, 'Wild Frames' it's called. I thought it was crap, like some sort of shit version of Reactoonz. I certainly wasn't enticed to have any paid-for spins on it once the 50 free ones had been used.

 

[jasonuk]

This is the PnG game I got the free spins on, 'Wild Frames' it's called. I thought it was crap, like some sort of shit version of Reactoonz. I certainly wasn't enticed to have any paid-for spins on it once the 50 free ones had been used.

Not particularly new at this point - the game was released four years ago.

Your thoughts are right though in that it's a pivot from Reactoonz (there are a whole group of these scripted grid slots as well: Honey Rush, Diamond Vortex, Golden Osiris etc) - where similarly not a lot happens until you get the unlocks going, and then it'll either chuck something meaningful or bin you off one or two short of the target.

Some of the 100 series (Moon Princess 100, Honey Rush 100) are trying to tap into the higher volatility space (as even though they quote 5000x or more maximum payouts for the originals, the bulk of the big wins are in the 250-750x range) and some have been more successful than others.

Personally not a fan of trying to shoehorn variance into games not designed for it - only have to look at the dross Red Tiger are churning out by bastardising the NetEnt catalogue in the name of "potential".

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not particularly new at this point - the game was released four years ago.

Your thoughts are right though in that it's a pivot from Reactoonz (there are a whole group of these scripted grid slots as well: Honey Rush, Diamond Vortex, Golden Osiris etc) - where similarly not a lot happens until you get the unlocks going, and then it'll either chuck something meaningful or bin you off one or two short of the target.

Some of the 100 series (Moon Princess 100, Honey Rush 100) are trying to tap into the higher volatility space (as even though they quote 5000x or more maximum payouts for the originals, the bulk of the big wins are in the 250-750x range) and some have been more successful than others.

Personally not a fan of trying to shoehorn variance into games not designed for it - only have to look at the dross Red Tiger are churning out by bastardising the NetEnt catalogue in the name of "potential".

Ha! Shows how up to date I am....

I'm not a fan of the grid games at the best of times, when 3Dice decided to clone Reactoonz for one of their games it made me rather sad

Also what's with how fucking plain games look these days? Mobile gaming has a lot to answer for!

 

[Reelsoffun]

I have switched to using my Revolut virtual card so that SINISTER GAMBLING TRANSACTIONS do not besmirch my primary debit card and bank account.* VS did not seem phased by this and took my deposit (unlike Unibet which refused to accept Revolut), although doubtless they'll have something to say about it should I end up making a withdrawal....

Funny you should mention about segregating deposits, I’m in the process of moving all gaming transactions to one new account, bit of a ballache but as you say nice to keep gambling transactions off the main everyday bank account. Makes perfect sense really, and can’t believe I didn’t think of it sooner as will probably make the dreaded SOW‘s less painful as well as no other stuff going in and out, wonder how many fellow gamblers have an account just for casino gambling use?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well slightly remarkably I'm close to cresting £200, from this evening's starting position, playing Worms Reloaded, which has an..... 'average' RTP to say the least.

I'm really not sure how this Jackpot King thingy works under the hood, on Worms Reloaded you've got 3% of RTP going to them instead of 0.49%, which suggests you'd expect to see the progressive round a bit more often, but it doesn't seem to be the case at all in my experience.

Anyway however this goes from here I'm not going to complain, as once again it's many hours of play from a £100 deposit, and as you can see I've got a withdrawal point of nearly twice my initial deposit, which of course I won't take because one always wishes to push things a little bit further..... lol.

 

[Jono777]

Funny you should mention about segregating deposits, I’m in the process of moving all gaming transactions to one new account, bit of a ballache but as you say nice to keep gambling transactions off the main everyday bank account. Makes perfect sense really, and can’t believe I didn’t think of it sooner as will probably make the dreaded SOW‘s less painful as well as no other stuff going in and out, wonder how many fellow gamblers have an account just for casino gambling use?

Me, well sort of....

I made the decision to keep my everyday main current account free of gambling sites, deposits, withdrawals a good 5 or more years ago.

Not that the humble low rolle,r low budget player that I am would ever raise any concerns, I just felt it would look better this way.

I use Skrill now and despite their fees, feel that this is a small price to pay for a cleaner bank statement. I even have their Mastercard and they charge €10 annually for this but again, if I win and withdrawals go to Skrill I can use this in just the way I'd use my banks debit card.

Others may not see it the way I do but I felt this was far easier not to mention less intrusive than opening a secondary bank account.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I find Revolut nice and convenient for this stuff, no fees either. So for example to get £100 into Videoslots yesterday, I just added £100 to my Revolut account with my HSBC debit card (using the Revolut app), and then deposited £100 at VS with my Revolut virtual card, total fees were zero. I also do the same for crypto purchases at Coinbase, and I've used it for depositing at Rizk too. (Crypto always comes with fees though.)

All HSBC ever see is modest transfers of funds from my bank account to Revolut, rather than anything gambling/crypto related.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Tbh I found opening another bank account no more intrusive than opening a skrill or similar wallet account, so I didn’t mind. Although the way things are going in the UK for gambling none of us will need any accounts to gamble with anyway lol

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Tbh I found opening another bank account no more intrusive than opening a skrill or similar wallet account, so I didn’t mind. Although the way things are going in the UK for gambling none of us will need any accounts to gamble with anyway lol

Isn't the issue there going to be if the new bank account is linked to you financially? Like, if you register at Clearscore, they kind of know everything about you, whereas Revolut stays off their radar.

I was particularly narked to see Clearscore record me buying less than £100 of crypto with my credit card, and list it as a negative indicator that then took three months to clear, because it said I was 'borrowing money' with a credit card. (Even though said credit card is paid off in full every month, so never carries a balance on it.)

 

[Reelsoffun]

Isn't the issue there going to be if the new bank account is linked to you financially? Like, if you register at Clearscore, they kind of know everything about you, whereas Revolut stays off their radar.

I was particularly narked to see Clearscore record me buying less than £100 of crypto with my credit card, and list it as a negative indicator that then took three months to clear, because it said I was 'borrowing money' with a credit card. (Even though said credit card is paid off in full every month, so never carries a balance on it.)

Well yes, any credit agency, Clearscore, Experian, trans union blah blah will see a bank account.

In your case they saw it as it was on a credit card rather than just a bank account the two types are not seen as the same thing, but yeah harsh it was reported or classed as a “cash advance” type transaction.

But me just having a bank account to be used exclusively for gaming, suits my needs perfectly.