BitStarz - me no likee

neilzelkinUSA

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Member has presumably many accounts with Bitstarz and is a sore loser - threatened casino with bad publicity. Violation of rule 1.17 - Exploiting Your Membership
Before I start, it is important to note that I have been playing online casinos for real money since 2004. and way longer at their brick and mortar counterparts. I harbor no illusions of consistently winning when I gamble because all casinos, whether virtual or brick-and-mortar, are in business to make money, not provide people with easy money.

However, after nearly five months of play and thousands of dollars in losses, I can say that Bitstarz casino is crooked with near-certainty. So it makes sense that scammer operators would market Bitstarz in the manner they do. Such as putting "Award-winning" next to its name, the laurel leaf crowns signifying various obscure online gaming accolades and awards, the manufactured testimonials by clients like D**** F**** winning big on games that for whatever reason I was never allowed to access due to country restrictions and an extensive section detailing its RNG and explaining "Provability."

But here is the problem and why BitStarz is not a online casino with the optimistic tag line "Dream Big, Win Bigger," and a theft ring that hides behind a slick website, a quick and easy deposit process that is almost all done with crypto (convenient for the site operator due to the difficulty of getting crypto returned once that transaction is confirmed and thus lowering the chances that the inevitable stream of unhappy losers who felt cheated because they were, to zero. Instead, it is another clear example of greedy and shady characters from offshore find a way to exploit the millions of American's who thirst for online gambling while maintaining minimal risk for the crooks stealing people's money.

I do not level charges against any online casino lightly, but the facts speak for themselves. Starting in December 2020 until May 15, 2021, I made BTC deposits of $5,750 approx. These deposits were generally no larger than $50. Well over 60 separate deposits were. Out of all those deposits, I achieved a profit above $15-20 less than five times. Of those occasions, the most I was ever up was less than $200.

A cynic would say it's a case of a sore-sport who cannot handle losing. That is a logical conclusion but a lazy one at that.

Here are some of the highlights from my seven months as a Bitstarz regular:

67 Deposits totaling $5348

3 Withdrawals totaling $140

Bonus terns that were unattainable

The biggest win of any sort was Johnny Cash for $58

The Lucky 7 Three-wheel slot machine and never produced anything better than three single bars for 60 credits. Or the third-lowest award on the paytable. Unusual in that this is the slot machine I played far and away more than any other but could never manage a triple cherry or three double

Avg wager for Player Blackjack was 46% smaller than the wager made when the dealer recorded a blackjack.

Over a 30 hand session of baccarat, I wagered on the player the first 15 hands, and the banker won 13-1-1. When I switched up and bet the banker the next 25 hands, the player came alive amazingly and went 12-2-1. Leaving me, the player dazed and broke.

On one occasion, I was awarded 180 free spins from some promotion and won $2.85.

Casino gambling is a high-risk, high reward activity where losses are more common than wins. However, there are still the occasional times when Lady Luck shines on you with modest success at the least or a nice big jackpot on the upper-end of expectations. As long and often as I played at Bitstarz, with the amount of BTC deposited, it seems inconceivable to have never hit a single jackpot, go on a heater at the Black Jack table, or win anything more than a buy-in. It makes one wonder because such a dry spell doesn't happen unless it is being made to happen.
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Whether it was blackjack, slot machines, or baccarat, 99% of the sessions were the same. I lost the first bet and never got back to even from there.

Raise the issue with the Bitstarz customer service, and they ignore the concern and immediately start talking in technical jargon about the RNG and that with an RNG, all have to be on the level. All the while, Bitstarz keeps on taking people's money and sending them offline broke.

What they are doing is stealing because the chances of winning with Bitstarz is almost nil and with gambling, the chances for success might not be high but they are not zero as Bitstarz would have you think,

How could anyone expect Bitstarz to turn out different.
 
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Before I start, it is important to note that I have been playing online casinos for real money since 2004. and way longer at their brick and mortar counterparts. I harbor no illusions of consistently winning when I gamble because all casinos, whether virtual or brick-and-mortar, are in business to make money, not provide people with easy money.

However, after nearly five months of play and thousands of dollars in losses, I can say that Bitstarz casino is crooked with near-certainty. So it makes sense that scammer operators would market Bitstarz in the manner they do. Such as putting "Award-winning" next to its name, the laurel leaf crowns signifying various obscure online gaming accolades and awards, the manufactured testimonials by clients like D**** F**** winning big on games that for whatever reason I was never allowed to access due to country restrictions and an extensive section detailing its RNG and explaining "Provability."

But here is the problem and why BitStarz is not a online casino with the optimistic tag line "Dream Big, Win Bigger," and a theft ring that hides behind a slick website, a quick and easy deposit process that is almost all done with crypto (convenient for the site operator due to the difficulty of getting crypto returned once that transaction is confirmed and thus lowering the chances that the inevitable stream of unhappy losers who felt cheated because they were, to zero. Instead, it is another clear example of greedy and shady characters from offshore find a way to exploit the millions of American's who thirst for online gambling while maintaining minimal risk for the crooks stealing people's money.
Ahem - one of the awards come from us: Best Customer Service 2020: Bitstarz 🏆 Meister Awards - Casinomeister

Anyway - a lot of strong words here. Can you back up your statements? That would be the best thing to do instead of posting serious allegations - right now, what you are posting are opinions - not facts.

And they don't take US players, so what's your beef? Are you a customer of Bitstarz?
 

neilzelkinUSA

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Ahem - one of the awards come from us: Best Customer Service 2020: Bitstarz 🏆 Meister Awards - Casinomeister

Anyway - a lot of strong words here. Can you back up your statements? That would be the best thing to do instead of posting serious allegations - right now, what you are posting are opinions - not facts.

And they don't take US players, so what's your beef? Are you a customer of Bitstarz?
They had no problem taking my money. Hand histories beyond the previous 10 were requested and denied. I could show you all the BTC sent to them and the few times they actually sent me winnings. I realize that these sound like mere opinions, but I am a seasoned gambler, and everything that has happened to Me at Bitstarz lacked transparency and the ability to look into things that seem not right.
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Lastly, how do you explain that in the last three days, I have made $110 in deposits to Bovada spanning two sessions and won almost $2800. Here is tonight's damage on a $50 BTC deposit. The first two times I visited Bovada since 2019. Hmmmmmm.. Fishy.

I am gonna stick with my claims that Bitstarz scams players because they leave no other explanations. Maybe if they produced legitimate data about its winners and losers, my complaints would be proven 100% accurate. A crawl saying, " Re***A just won $430 playing Junge 7s," is hardly the evidence I need to change my mind about Bitstarz I respect your site and your opinion Casinomeister, but on Bitstarz, your dead wrong.
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Talk to management and see if they will produce any reliable data on the revenue stream going in and out. I guarantee it the Amazon River full of money rushing into BitStarz coffers and a trickle of dirty water headed back toward the players.

Another made-up opinion about the great casino of BitStarz. When I would double down with an 11 ended up with 12-14 four times more often than a 17-19 and 10x more likely than a 20 or 21 spanning 81 hands.

Bottom-line, every metric I followed favored of BitStarz. Just because I got 6 Black Jacks and the dealer only got 3 doesn't mean it's fair because the player got more blackjacks if the player was betting two dollars on the 6 blackjacks and 15 dollars on the dealer's hands blackjack.
 

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neilzelkinUSA

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This just one example of the baccarat. I wish I had the session where I lost 19 out of 20 hands in BJ playing optimal strategy and the dealer got 21 in 13 of the hands. I have zero reason to make this stuff up. I do not have a history of rabble-rousing. But I do think its important that when you are being scammed you should do something about it. And my goal is to have this site eliminated and save people a lot of lost money.
 

neilzelkinUSA

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@Casinomeister quick, remove them from the list cos a random member says so, never mind that he provides not a single detail of his complaint, just do it, now :lolup: :cheerleader:
Laugh. You ever win anything at Bitstarz? I got better things to do than bitch about nothing. And I have been visiting this site for over 10 years so I am no newbie Mr. Sarcasssssam
 

neilzelkinUSA

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I would love to hear about someone recent big win at BitStarz. A picture would be nice. Tick Tock.

Do you people think I have some personal vendetta against that scammy site? What would be my motivation other than losing 99.9% of the time when that is not statistically possible unless some sort of stuff is going on.,
 

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So are they using fake games instead of ones they tell they are using? If that happen, maybe contact game providers and tell their games to appear as fake versions on this casino's site, if you are sure about that.

Your big story about this casino scamming people just don't have many facts in it to get anyone interested, all people on this forum have read more than one similar story where somebody lost and that's certainly proof of rigged games and casino...
 

neilzelkinUSA

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So are they using fake games instead of ones they tell they are using? If that happen, maybe contact game providers and tell their games to appear as fake versions on this casino's site, if you are sure about that.

Your big story about this casino scamming people just don't have many facts in it to get anyone interested, all people on this forum have read more than one similar story where somebody lost and that's certainly proof of rigged games and casino...
I can handle losing. But to deposit and lose from the first bet on, time after time gets suspicious. I mean I lost 65 out of 67 times. Not just one bad day.And I am not a sore loser cuz I stopped playing there weeks ago. In fact today I won $1500 on Bovada and another 1k on Saturday. So everyone of you think your experts when you all really just like to rip on people.
 

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neilzelkinUSA

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"So many games, so many chances to find cold games. It's a place that I love even tho I haven't cashed once but the selection is really fun, but I have never had that moment where the casino gives back. So I had to put that place on hiatus. The gambling world I get can land some huge hits on these games and people bash RTG , but I have consistently made money off rtg and these other big flashy companies are cold as fuck 99% of the time , least for me they are."

That quote says it all. I have not cashed once.
 

neilzelkinUSA

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I see BitStarz is blacklisted at the Pogg, with some very valid points. ThePogg seems to me a fair guy, not somebody who has frustrations about or a beef with BitStarz.
I have had unhappy experiences at this casino but the OP doesnt seem to make any sense with a rant devoid of substance.
I am attempting to illustrate that with the amount of time and money spent at that casino I should have done a lot more than what I did do if BitStarz was not rigged.. To make thousands of dollars in deposits and not once cash out for more than a hundred dollars was another sign of something wrong. To play a slot machine several thousand pulls and never once win more than a six-tier prize is highly unlikely. that was my point.
 

neilzelkinUSA

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I have won at BItstarz a few times and very quick withdrawal process too. I have lost a lot as well but I enjoy playing slots.
I bet the few wins have been small in comparison to the losses and no one is debating the quality selection of games they have. I a question the fairness of those quality games.
 

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Laugh. You ever win anything at Bitstarz? I got better things to do than bitch about nothing. And I have been visiting this site for over 10 years so I am no newbie Mr. Sarcasssssam
And I posted that half an hour after your post, before you added any details. It was basically 'bitstarz are a scam because I say so'. Your join date is 2019 with 2 posts prior to this from what I could see, what was your previous user id?
 
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