Altercation at CAP Euro

[lots0]

Cindy, Dom has posted the same exact statement on just about every gambling forum board I have seen.

 

[jas2587]

Cindy, Dom has posted the same exact statement on just about every gambling forum board I have seen.

yeah I have noticed that like a prepared statement
shame it really is that it has all come to this
sad in deed
with the pending USA players problems an now this

Cindy

 

[mojo]

And forget about who's going to apologise to who - don't let such an egocentric concept derail a sensible rapprochement.

I would just add to this that many of us would feel a lot better if SOMEONE from the CAP camp could apologize publically to Steven. I think that much is due. I don't worry so much about JTodd, he can take it. But the incident with Steven is hard to take. An apology would go far.

 

[pokeraddict]

It seems a company that seems so quick to threaten lawsuits is dying to end up on the wrong side of several.

 

[Nandakishore]

I would just add to this that many of us would feel a lot better if SOMEONE from the CAP camp could apologize publically to Steven. I think that much is due.

I just checked the CAP forum. There is not a word there about the London incident.

 

[mojo]

I just checked the CAP forum. There is not a word there about the London incident.

Not unusual lol. But some brave souls have spoken out. I hope this tooo is not played down Nan.

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I'm not in London, but it sounds to me like there was a loud argument, and then Mr. Corfman was escorted from the building. Is that really such a big deal?

And given all the anti-CAP content produced by APCW and GPWA lately, one has to wonder why they are there at CAP Euro in the first place.

 

[spearmaster]

Let's keep the discussion civil please. A lot of information has come out of there but we do not have the whole picture yet, so please try to avoid wild speculation.

Methinks we'll hear more about this tomorrow.

 

[RobWin]

Personally I think that this whole incident in London is simply just another one of Lou's diversionary tactics to divert attention away from the real issue at hand here regarding their (CAP's) involvement in the Cardspike situation and whether or not they, (CAP) are in fact the owners of it or connected in anyway to ownership of the poker room.

Hope that's civil enough, but the article that I just finished writing and getting ready to publish on my website may not be as civil though! but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

 

[Auditor]

Not unusual lol. But some brave souls have spoken out. I hope this tooo is not played down Nan.

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I see the thread is no longer viewable.

 

[jas2587]

Personally I think that this whole incident in London is simply just another one of Lou's diversionary tactics to divert attention away from the real issue at hand here regarding their (CAP's) involvement in the Cardspike situation and whether or not they, (CAP) are in fact the owners of it or connected in anyway to ownership of the poker room.

Hope that's civil enough, but the article that I just finished writing and getting ready to publish on my website may not be as civil though! but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

Rob come on you been a member how long you know that Bryan has always been this way about the post made by members an you never made a stink till now hmmmm no one likes to be censered but if they didnt do it there would be all kinds of chit posted here they have to censer it an You know that


Cindy

 

[lots0]

I see the thread is no longer viewable.

Is anyone surprised?

I did read the thread before it was shut down, mostly long time CAP members voicing their outrage at Lou... I'll bet there have been more CAP bannings.

 

[mojo]

I see the thread is no longer viewable.

Oh for CRISSAKES! Another thread gone and probably pple banned. I am so dam SICK of this! Is it ME? Or are we all so very very tired of this. Really.

Sorry Auditor, not yelling at you. lol

Sorry I didnt copy the whole thing. At least I got the above post by NathanCap. Seems that's what you have to do at CAP.

 

[slotplayer]

the thread is perfectly viewable if you're logged in. Maybe it was moved to another area.

 

[mojo]

the thread is perfectly viewable if you're logged in. Maybe it was moved to another area.

Yes, similar to when Casinomeisters post was 'moved' and he was subsequently banned. Same same.

 

[pokeraddict]

the thread is perfectly viewable if you're logged in. Maybe it was moved to another area.

Correct, it is now in their private area.

 

[swampwitch]

Has anyone heard how today's festivities went? Have the parties involved all kissed and made up, promising once again to all work together for the WalMart-like stranglehold on the industry, er I mean, greater good that the two sides have enjoyed lo these many years?

Sorry kids, but considering the fact that until recently the GPWA has basically been a suburb of CAP, the conspiracy theorist in me cannot help but wonder if the whole thing wasn't a smokescreen devised by the higher-ups of both organizations.

 

[Auditor]

Not viewable by us banned folks.

 

[dominique]

I just spent over half an hour writing a lengthy account and when I hit the send button, the hotel internet system hijacked me to add another payment for more connection time. So I lost it all.

Now I don't have enough time to redo, so this post will be a lot shorter. The main points are:

I didn't post a "statement" on three boards, it was late at night and I wanted to give a quick update and I was too tired to rewrite it three times, so I took the shortcut and copied. Sorry.

Michael, Jtodd and Steve were all in attendance yeaterday with badges and all. Lou and Warren were also there and all went peacefully and as normal.

I met for some time with Michael and Jtodd and discussed the communities and we see eye to eye with these issues. We did not discuss anything pertaining to business as I have no involvement or influence there.

The rumors I posted a few days ago - 1600 people were talking in groups, and most people didn't witness anything. When I heard a particularly nasty rumor more than twice I posted a disclaimer so it would not be picked up by bloggers and circulated online. Looks like it worked, thank god. There are still a bunch of other rumors flying, as one can expect.

I am very frustrated - I spent all my time putting out fires and establishing communication instead of doing the work I came for. At least one good thing came of it, communication lines are wide open now for the communities.

 

[Simmo!]

...but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

Casinomeister is "regulated" in so much as that posters are expected to be respectful, considerate and act with a degree of integrity. Deviate from that ethos and you can find yourself in the realms of gossip and slander which, as you quite rightly point out Rob, you can post elsewhere.

 

[jas2587]

I just spent over half an hour writing a lengthy account and when I hit the send button, the hotel internet system hijacked me to add another payment for more connection time. So I lost it all.

Now I don't have enough time to redo, so this post will be a lot shorter. The main points are:

I didn't post a "statement" on three boards, it was late at night and I wanted to give a quick update and I was too tired to rewrite it three times, so I took the shortcut and copied. Sorry.

Michael, Jtodd and Steve were all in attendance yeaterday with badges and all. Lou and Warren were also there and all went peacefully and as normal.

I met for some time with Michael and Jtodd and discussed the communities and we see eye to eye with these issues. We did not discuss anything pertaining to business as I have no involvement or influence there.

The rumors I posted a few days ago - 1600 people were talking in groups, and most people didn't witness anything. When I heard a particularly nasty rumor more than twice I posted a disclaimer so it would not be picked up by bloggers and circulated online. Looks like it worked, thank god. There are still a bunch of other rumors flying, as one can expect.

I am very frustrated - I spent all my time putting out fires and establishing communication instead of doing the work I came for. At least one good thing came of it, communication lines are wide open now for the communities.

you stated the other day the people would be unbanned
so why are registered people unable to access the area that pertains to the London incedent

also why has it completly vanished from the CAP website like nothing at all happened

it is clear that there was in fact words spoke between Lou an J Todd
it is clear that Steven was manhandled like a common criminal an ejected from the hotel
when his group was having a event there also and they had hotel rooms

why has this all vanished from the site

just cause they had badges an all went peacefully and as normal does not mean the all really is Normal

Cindy

 

[spearmaster]

...but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

LOL, I didn't even see that...

Ok. Let's get this straight:

I (speaking for myself, not the other moderators) have no intention whatsoever to restrict speech or even discourage discussion. I have repeatedly made this clear on various occasions.

However, there are circumstances under which it is necessary to try to guide people who have strayed a bit out of their way - regardless of what you may think, there still have to be some rules and regulations for most things, including posting forums.

I don't run your blog - and thus I don't set the rules. This is why personal blogs exist. However, in a community, there needs to be a little bit of common sense used for everyone as a whole - and when things get a bit out of control I then ask for a little help from the members of this community.

Let's make that clear up front. And since I am the one most actively doing this, I must assume that I am being seen as the one restricting "freedom of speech".

So let's make another thing clear - everyone is welcome to speak their minds, offer their opinions, share their thoughts, their joys, their sorrows, etc, as they would in any other public situation. Casinomeister has always welcomed these postings provided that they do not breach the few rules of the forum.

However, if you wish to utter words which could potentially put you in a bit of a bind, the Casinomeister forums cannot permit itself to be used as a medium for this purpose, just as it is not permitted to use the forums or the facilities for the purpose of defrauding operators.

Kindly understand that this is being done for the benefit of the community as a whole, and not to accommodate the whims of a few.

 

[dominique]

you stated the other day the people would be unbanned
so why are registered people unable to access the area that pertains to the London incedent

also why has it completly vanished from the CAP website like nothing at all happened

it is clear that there was in fact words spoke between Lou an J Todd
it is clear that Steven was manhandled like a common criminal an ejected from the hotel
when his group was having a event there also and they had hotel rooms

why has this all vanished from the site

just cause they had badges an all went peacefully and as normal does not mean the all really is Normal

Cindy

I can see every thread I am aware of and posting in these continues. Cap has an area similair to the America the beautiful that is only accessible to full members.

If any threads have been moved I am not aware of it, I can't be actively moderating while I am not there. I have tried to make time to update the communities, usually late at night and very quickly.

Just like Bryan cannot be here while travelling, I can't either, I am making every effort to at least update on the day's happenings as they develop. One post does not negate another, they are merely accounts of what I saw on any particular day.

 

[jas2587]

I can see every thread I am aware of and posting in these continues. Cap has an area similair to the America the beautiful that is only accessible to full members.

If any threads have been moved I am not aware of it, I can't be actively moderating while I am not there. I have tried to make time to update the communities, usually late at night and very quickly.

Just like Bryan cannot be here while travelling, I can't either, I am making every effort to at least update on the day's happenings as they develop. One post does not negate another, they are merely accounts of what I saw on any particular day.

ok I can understand that Thanks
Cindy

 

[RobWin]

Casinomeister is "regulated" in so much as that posters are expected to be respectful, considerate and act with a degree of integrity. Deviate from that ethos and you can find yourself in the realms of gossip and slander which, as you quite rightly point out Rob, you can post elsewhere.

LOL, I didn't even see that...

Ok. Let's get this straight:

I (speaking for myself, not the other moderators) have no intention whatsoever to restrict speech or even discourage discussion. I have repeatedly made this clear on various occasions.

However, there are circumstances under which it is necessary to try to guide people who have strayed a bit out of their way - regardless of what you may think, there still have to be some rules and regulations for most things, including posting forums.

I don't run your blog - and thus I don't set the rules. This is why personal blogs exist. However, in a community, there needs to be a little bit of common sense used for everyone as a whole - and when things get a bit out of control I then ask for a little help from the members of this community.

Let's make that clear up front. And since I am the one most actively doing this, I must assume that I am being seen as the one restricting "freedom of speech".

So let's make another thing clear - everyone is welcome to speak their minds, offer their opinions, share their thoughts, their joys, their sorrows, etc, as they would in any other public situation. Casinomeister has always welcomed these postings provided that they do not breach the few rules of the forum.

However, if you wish to utter words which could potentially put you in a bit of a bind, the Casinomeister forums cannot permit itself to be used as a medium for this purpose, just as it is not permitted to use the forums or the facilities for the purpose of defrauding operators.

Kindly understand that this is being done for the benefit of the community as a whole, and not to accommodate the whims of a few.

I totally understand both you and Simmos thoughts and comments there, probably more than a lot here do since I have been around this forum for quite awhile now and I totally agree with both of you on your points here. You guys have to maintain a certain degree of order and ethical behavior in a forum of this size or else total chaos could ensue at any given time. In most instances I too would do the same if I were in your position as moderator.

That type of behavior would not be a professional or cordial way to act by any forum member here in any way; shape or form and I too agree that it should not be tolerated. I have never had any problem with any of you fine folks maintaining order in the forums in any way you thought fit to do so and this is the very first time in the five years that I have been here that I have ever even mentioned anything about or regarding the way or manner that the forum is policed.

The only problem in my view that I have noticed over the past few months is the quickness and agile manner that comments have been made to insure that no one dared say the wrong thing or act in the wrong way. Several of those occasions I could see your point and agreed in my mind that you had done the right and just thing before the issue escalated, but this last warning here in post #32 where you said "Let's keep the discussion civil please" was IMO just a bit over the top, and I mean no disrespect in that comment whatsoever.

I have read every post in this thread and for the life of me cannot see anything at all that you were referring to as not being civil. I think that the other posters that have posted in this thread have merely only stated their thoughts and opinions and the way I saw that comment was maybe you being either over zealous or merely trying to set a prerequisite for the manner in which anymore future thoughts and opinions are to be given, stated or formed. But that's merely my opinion in the way I understood that comment and I may have misinterpreted your thoughts there.

I also know that you are ardently active and intensely devoted to maintaining order in the boards here and I praise your efforts for doing such a fine an diligent job of it but in retrospect I can also see how this fervent style could possibly make a lot of potential great posters gun shy of this constant action. The past five years that I have hung around here I can hardly remember no more than one or two instances where certain threads have gotten out of hand, so in that respect I think that the forum members here, both past and present have done a purdy good job of maintaining civility without the need to be warned often.

Like I said, I mean no disrespect whatsoever toward you or any other mod here but this is just my opinion on this issue that has been bothering me for awhile now and if I did not speak my mind about it then I would not be the person that I am. Hope you can understand where I am coming from on this.

 

[jetset]

I'm all for keeping posts civil and balanced here, and I therefore endorse the comments made by Simmo and Spear.

Casinomeister remains one of the most liberal yet informative of the big message boards in the industry and that is due to the nature of the community and the efforts on the rare occasions that these are required of the mods here.