Altercation at CAP Euro

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As posted by Jeremy at pokeraffiliatelistings.com

This just in from London, a fight has broken out in the lobby of the hotel between CAP, GPWA, & security. The details are still sketchy but apparently the show organizers instructed security to remove GPWA staff from the hotel (not the show) by any means necessary. Apparently Steven Corfman took the brunt of it and was assaulted in front of everybody by security in the lobby while being screamed at by CAP staff.

(read full thread for clarification that no punches were thrown).
 
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As posted by Jerry at pokeraffiliatelistings.com

This just in from London, a fight has broken out in the lobby of the hotel between CAP, GPWA, & security. The details are still sketchy but apparently the show organizers instructed security to remove GPWA staff from the hotel (not the show) by any means necessary. Apparently Steven Corfman took the brunt of it and was assaulted in front of everybody by security in the lobby while being screamed at by CAP staff.

hmmmm......

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There was not a fight.

Yes CAP staff had Steven forcefully removed from the event and then the Hotel.
Lou did tell JTodd to step outside to "settle this like men".
No punches were thrown.
 

RobWin

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There was not a fight.

Yes CAP staff had Steven forcefully removed from the event and then the Hotel.
Lou did tell JTodd to step outside to "settle this like men".
No punches were thrown.

LOL, I think ole J.Todd could take Lou myself...:thumbsup: Apparently Lou has had a miraculous recover in his health if he's asking someone obviously in a hell of a lot better shape than he is in to step outside with him...real professional of Lou there huh...:rolleyes:

Tell J to make us a new vid to post later tonight about this incident. :cool:
 

Sassy1

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Perhaps a mod can change the title since it now appears it wasn't a fight, though technically, even though no punches were thrown, doesn't a verbal confrontation still qualify as a fight? Maybe the word fight can be changed to 'altercation?'

Never mind about help with the title change. I found out how to do it myself in "Go Advanced."
 
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RobWin

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I'm still sitting here laughing my A$$ off about this...:D

I've never seen someone as determined as Lou seems to be to bring his company down burning in flames, hell he doesn't have to worry about the GPWA or the APCW doing it, he is doing a purdy damn good job of it on his own...:rolleyes:
 

jas2587

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I'm still sitting here laughing my A$$ off about this...:D

I've never seen someone as determined as Lou seems to be to bring his company down burning in flames, hell he doesn't have to worry about the GPWA or the APCW doing it, he is doing a purdy damn good job of it on his own...:rolleyes:

Now Rob remember he is Ill an had to resign a postion because of health reason but every time I saw some 1 argue heatedly their blood was pumpin an their veins was poppin face was beat red beads of sweat running off their face an their armpits stained stuttering cause you are so upset an mad that ya just wanna kick ass specially if you are the 1 calling the person out

but he is ILL
an as stated therewas no fight lol just a heated exchange

Cindy
 

RobWin

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Well this $hit is really getting interesting now, Over at my Website Blog I just received this little comment left by Anonymous!! LOL

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Traveling and Gambling":

You better not say anything else negative about CAP if you want to keep playing at ANY online casinos. This is a promise!

Publish this comment.

Reject this comment.

Moderate comments for this blog.

Posted by Anonymous to The Gambling Guru's Blog at January 30, 2009 4:28 PM
Now my question to myself is should I...

1. Publish It
2. Reject It or
3. Moderate It

Now this clearly sounds like a threat to me, maybe Lou wants to ask me to step outside with him too, not even man enough to leave his name with the comment, had to do it Anonymously...jeeze..:rolleyes: Didnt realize I was that popular:cool:
 

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Has anyone heard from Casinomeister to know if he is okay?

I hope he didn't get shoved around by security guards too!
 

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1. Publish It ....

That would be my vote, if for no other reason than it opens the door for further discussion which I have no doubt would be forthcoming.
 

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Who would have ever dreamed it would come to this.

I say publish it too. No more lies and bullying! This is nothing less than abuse. I better leave it at that. :mad:
 

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Just a quick post before all the rumors hit:

Casinomeister was nowhere near the incident.

What I saw:

Steve (Michael Corfman's son) was forcibly escorted from the lobby of the hotel by hotel security guards.

Lateron I spoke to Michael, Steve and Jtodd in the lobby of the same Hotel. Everyone is unharmed but shook up.

Michael told me that they had had a meeting with the event organizer and Warren.

Jtodd told me that Lou asked him to step outside with him to "settle this like men".

No one is injured.

There are tons of rumors floating around. To correct some of them before they hit here:

No one was beaten up.

No one punched me out or even quarrelled with me at all.

Lou is not dead.


Ok, it's been a long day and it's 1 am here and I am going to bed.
 

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J.Todd's report on this "issue":



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Dear Friends,

Please excuse the fact that I am only going to cover basic facts in this post and try not to give opinion or speculation. This is a delicate situation, as you can imagine, and I know that Michael is reading all the posts on many forums before writing a reply. Below is the events in order that I was witness to personally.


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I arrived at the convention about mid-day and witnessed Steven outside the event with security speaking to him. He was obviously upset. I listened as they told him he could re-enter the hotel via the commons area in the lobby, but not return to the event.

After security left, Steven informed me that they had escorted him out of the CAP Event, even though had been registered in advance and was wearing his wrist band and a badge which granted him access.

Steven did as they instructed and walked around the building to the lobby entrance, and we had a day of meetings without ever going near the entrance to the CAP Event. It should be noted that the GPWA also had a paid room in this hotel.

Many hours past without incident, until I was speaking with Dom's assistant, Donna, in the hotel lobby. I personally witnessed Steven being "escorted" from the lobby in front of hundreds of stunned people. There were 4 security officers: 2 had Steven's arms pinned back in a "chicken wing" type of submission hold with his head forced forward. 2 more officers followed to keep people away. Steven was obviously in pain and loudly telling them they were hurting him, but they continued to push him toward the elevators at a very quick pace.

I immediately pulled out my camera phone and attempted to get some photos. One photo on my phone is not too bad, but the other two do not capture Steven at all, only the officers. They pressed Steven to an elevator face first, leaning on him with their weight to "force compliance" before pushing him into the elevator when it opened.

Dominique and Affiliate Manager Roman from Intertops were shouting at the officers to stop being so rough. Dom was obviously upset, and Roman was yelling that this was supposed to be a civilized country. The doors shut and Steven disappeared with the 4 officers, alone. He was being thrown out of the hotel... not just the Cap Event (We were later told by a reliable source that both of the ejections were personally ordered by Lou Fabiano). I was already calling Michael.

Michael was down within a few moments and was taken by security to meet with someone inside the event. From other statements I assume this was Warren Jolly, Lou's partner, and Alex Pratt, event organizer. I followed them as far as I could but had to stop when they entered the event.

I stood there for a few moments, not sure what to do... where Steven or Michael were... wondering if Rebecca had seen any of this. It was then that Lou Fabiano walked up behind me and things got even worse.

I turned and saw him starring at me. It was obvious he was furious. He said: "YOU ACTUALLY F---ING CAME TO MY EVENT???" I looked around to see if he had anyone with him that I hadn't noticed yet... he did not. I said, "Yea, obviously I did."

Lou then said: "Let's step outside and talk about this." I was puzzled, as there were numerous conference rooms. The thought of a fist fight was far from my mind because that's just absurd. So I said, "What?"

Lou said again: "Let's go outside --- me and you --- and settle this like men!". Absolutely stunned, my reply was, "Are you sure you want to do that?". He said he was damn sure. I said OK.

Now, at this point I wish to make it clear that I was still totally perplexed. It was hard to wrap my mind around the fact that Lou Fabiano, President of CAP, was truly challenging me to a fist fight. I was not angry. I did not shout. I did not curse. I had no intention of throwing a blow at all. In the back of my head for some reason, I was still not 100% certain he actually wanted to physically fight.

Hindsight what it is, I now fully realize the man was totally serious. Had I gone outside with him, I don't believe I would have actually gotten into a real fight. I am fairly agile and think I could have avoided an assault by Mr Fabiano who --- most likely --- would not have lasted very long before he tired or someone broke it up.

However, I was walking outside with him when another affiliate manager, Shay from Rummy Royal, stepped in. Having witnessed the whole exchange, and having known me for several years, Shay said:"J Todd, as your friend I am telling you that you are not going outside with him." The reality soon hit me. I thanked him for caring and having the courage to step in. I stopped and started to walk away.

Lou, however, wasn't done. He began to taunt me and shout across the lobby until Shay was able to calm him down as well. Lou just starred at me like he wanted to rip my soul out. I also have a picture of that on my phone (yea, I was calm enough to snap another picture! LOL!).


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The whole thing was a disgusting mess. It's been my job to report on the recent events of this industry, and that has hit Lou and Warren hard. And even though Michael and I have told the truth, reported facts, and done what we felt was best for the industry it's still very upsetting for me to be a part of something tearing this industry apart.

I am deeply saddened and very embarrassed to have been involved in something like this. I am sorry if anyone feels I acted incorrectly, and I hope you all forgive me if you feel that I've contributed to something that has hurt online gaming.

Warren had no part in these antics. Alex Pratt was wonderful and did his damn best to prevent these things from taking place. But I don't think anyone predicted that Lou would act in a way that seems to demonstrate a serious lack of judgment and common sense.


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FOR THE RECORD: There was no "brawl". There were no "punches". Michael didn't scream at anyone. And I never saw any police anywhere.

ALSO: You will have to wait for me to return State side to retrieve my pictures... I cannot send them to my email here.
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tofu23

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I guess the main protagonists will thrash out a face saving truce behind closed doors in order to minimise the public shame of this Novotel Hotel rumble.

I can imagine (and understand) Fabiano not wanting to warmly welcome individuals, to an ostensibly CAP event, who threaten to further blow the lid on his festering corporate cauldron. It can be safely further stated that he well anticipated those said adversaries would indeed occupy a presence at least somewhere within the Novotel precincts given GPWA were hosting their own corporate room adjacent to CAP activities.

To what degree Fabiano orchestrated this confrontation is open to speculation having regard to things such as the accommodating performance of the Hotel security personnel. The challenge to Todd betrays a figure on the attack rather someone beckoning retreat.

I trust and pray all participants will reap what they sow.

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