Email from CAP

[jas2587]

Wamu is now JPMorgan Chase Bank anyway

that they are indeed I still retracted my statement an I am sorry

Cindy

 

[bonustreak]

I would relish the opportunity to post in my own community and hash things out. I am also interested in solving this issue ASAP before it brings on more damage to CAP, Affiliate Media and the affiliate industry as a whole. The ball is squarely in Warren's court. I hope everyone at CAP and within the industry continues to tell him to do the right thing and fix this grave injustice immediately

IMO most affs and programs at this point don't want to see this forum battle, we want to get back to business and let this fight happen in private it is very distasteful and unprofessional. I would jump on a plane and head to the Corp office and get things settled. At this point things can only get better.


Bob congrats on your new job and your moving ahead as planned is a great! I wish you all the luck and I am really looking forward to the good things that come from your presence on the CAP team.

Right now I am off to do some work on my sites

 

[jas2587]

Insinuations of doctored documents like that should be backed up please Cindy. I'm not familiar with US bank statements, but I didn't see anything obviously fraudulently presented. Didn't look real...because...?

well they usually go like this

ch# to who amount balance
1996 Simmo $1000.00 $9000
1997 mercy $4995.01 $4004.99

they are like they always have the balance after each transaction inthe same row and as stated hew produced bank statements with the name Wamu when in fact the bank has changed to JPMorgan Chase Bank therefore
the staements should read JPMorgan Chase Bank so that is where I got to thinkin an I will leave it at this

Cindy

 

[BobRains]

Why would any of the affiliates or programs want to support the financial interests of these three slimeballs? Please spin that one for us Bob.

I'm really not trying to spin this, I'm just trying to state my case.

 

[Dave]

Correct, and unless the new takeover guys "JPMorgan Chase" had previously decided to use old paper from the WAMU days then it should be lettered as "JPMorgan Chase".

Guys, I have an account with WaMu as well, and they are still using the WaMu logo on the statements. I just checked my February statement online -- it's there. Right next to the WaMu logo, there is text that says Deposit accounts now held by JPMorganChase Bank, N.A.

That said -- what Lou posted is not an actual "statement" from the bank. Rather, it looks like he went to the bank and had them print out the recent account transaction history. At the bottom of each page, it says "Analyzed account" along with the date and time the document was printed (02/23/2009 15:35:49).

 

[GamTrak]

I wanted to say to those that think by having the Professor gone and Arjun (Warren's brother) at the helm is going to change anything or save our community that you say you care about then it won't.

IMO this is all unfair and as long as Warren and his friend (3rd partner) has control over CAP and has banned the Professor from CAP (where Warren NEVER contributed much) is not fair or right.

He blew it with me when he posted that I was untrustworthy so I hope he gets exactly what he deserves as I've never lied or betrayed anyone online like he has been shown to have done.

Good luck Professor. Even though you lied to me I do not hold malace over it, but I can't do anything other than continue to be your friend like I"ve been the past as I don't abandon my friends because they have done wrong.

 

[mercy]

1997 mercy $4995.01 $4004.99

I haven't received this yet by the way.

 

[jas2587]

I haven't received this yet by the way.

an you wont either lol I USED U as a example

Cindy

 

[jas2587]

I wanted to say to those that think by having the Professor gone and Arjun (Warren's brother) at the helm is going to change anything or save our community that you say you care about then it won't.

IMO this is all unfair and as long as Warren and his friend (3rd partner) has control over CAP and has banned the Professor from CAP (where Warren NEVER contributed much) is not fair or right.

He blew it with me when he posted that I was untrustworthy so I hope he gets exactly what he deserves as I've never lied or betrayed anyone online like he has been shown to have done.

Good luck Professor. Even though you lied to me I do not hold malace over it, but I can't do anything other than continue to be your friend like I"ve been the past as I don't abandon my friends because they have done wrong.

I wanna say they all the Professer, Warren, an the unamed 3rd party all need to leave they have Lied Cheated treated people that was paying them out of this world fee's like what comes out of the back of a cow yelled an then belittled them an he comes here cryin thinkin he will get his cause thru

They have all blown it how in the heck can any of yall trust them an like some 1 said they cant sell it cause then they will act like they did an it will be biz as usual to me an alot of others CAP is dead may is RIP

IMO I still think it is a script

But I did notice alot of people dropping like flies at Cap
Maybe they all will then there will be no Cap

Lou did you go report the theft?

and as Robwin asked did you do this

Lou, What did the Bank say when you asked them how Warren was able to electronically (online) manage to transfer over $1,000,000.00 to an offshore account with the "Patriot Act" in place without you or him either one having to show up at the bank in person to fill out all the necessary paperwork that is required in order to transfer that amount of money out of the country since the "Patriot Act" was implemented??

You did...ask them this, right??


Cindy

 

[c_note]

an the unamed 3rd party

Thanks to Engineer at GPWA, its no longer unnamed :

Just an FYI about the third shareholder -- his name is Raj Lahoti.

Source 1: xhttp://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Huntington-Beach/affiliate-programs-inc-2497607.aspx

Source 2:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

(see answer to question #2).

 

[KasinoKing]

Wow! I'm glad I'm into gambling & not politics!

I'm not taking any sides here, as I have not been involved enough with CAP to know any hard facts, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read online:-

How am I supposed to feed my children, two elderly mothers (Mine and Maries) my wife and pay our mortgage if all the monies in the bank have been removed? I hope you realize exactly what Warren has done and the severity of it. This isnt a minor disagreement.

What!
So you're saying you don't have your own bank account with your own separate money for your family's expenses, but just rely on your company bank (to which others have access) to pay all your bills, feed your family, etc...?
Pull the other one - it's got cowbells on it!


Why am I not at all surprised that the most sensible post in this whole thread comes from Dominique:-

I am not supporting anyone except the affs who are at CAP scratching their heads.

You and Warren need to clear things up amongst yourselves. I am staying wayyyyyy clear of what is happening between the two of you. I like none of it. Not one thing. There are no sides to take. It's all bad.

As long as the board is up and running and affs are there wondering wtf is going to happen, I'll fill in and be there for them. If either you or Warren take the helm, I am leaving again. At this time, there is no one at the helm.

CAP is about affiliates, not corporate struggles or personal vendettas.

This has spun way out of control, and the CAP community is the victim. I am very saddened by all of this.

You two stop destroying each other and the community and start fixing things.

 

[Professor]

Like most US based affiliates UIGEA wreaked havoc on my personal income from my portals. I saw a drop 70% in income over the last 18 months. Instead of focusing on my own portals and brands I was putting in 12 hours a day on CAP and Affiliate Media and the events and magazine and newsletters etc...

I drew a bi weekly salary like everyone else, but figured we were building the business for the future and in the end when the draconian laws in the US were lifted CAP would be worth a pretty penny. Understand I am an online marketer. This is what I do for a living. I am not a recreational gambler or hobbyist. Do I have personal bank accounts yes. But I never expected my company bank accounts to be drained and for me to be locked out of my own online community. And yes both will effect my ability to feed my family as rediculous as that sounds to you.

 

[PokerNations]

But I never expected my company bank accounts to be drained and for me to be locked out of my own online community. And yes both will effect my ability to feed my family as rediculous as that sounds to you.

What about all the affiliates who put their reputations on the line promoting Cardspike so heavily to their players that trusted them?

A lot of people put their trust in Cardspike because you guys brought GregP onboard to help with the affiliate side of things. And they trusted PAP/CAP to help arbitrate when things went south.

Instead all you gave them was the run-around, lies, bannings, thread lockings and deletions, etc.

What about all the money YOU and YOUR company took out of the pockets of the affiliates that worked to promote for you? You still have no remorse, no shame, all you care about is yourself.

Hey, I've got an idea Professor. www.monster.com Good luck finding a job, I think corporate america could use another slimeball in office somewhere.

 

[spearmaster]

Discussion is fine. Name calling is not.

Kindly stick to the topic at hand, thanks.

 

[lots0]

...I don't expect you to understand, or agree with me. CAP, and PAP are as much communities as much as they are a business, and it's the community that IMO needs to thrive.

Oh the community will thrive... just not at casinoaffiliateprograms.com

The way I see it, in order to keep cap alive your going to have to build an entirely new base of brand new affiliates, that know nothing about the business...

While your building up all these new aff's your going to have to hope they don't find all the info that is all over (or soon will be) the www about the "crap at cap".

Not to mention any casino manager that cares about their associations is going to be hard pressed to justify hanging a cap 'seal' on their site...

To a lot of folks in the business the cap seal now stands for unethical behavior and just plain stupidity.

It's going to be hard to convince anyone that the lies and unethical practices at cap have stopped or will stop.

Once trust is broken... It can never really be repaired.

 

[dominique]

Oh the community will thrive... just not at casinoaffiliateprograms.com

The way I see it, in order to keep cap alive your going to have to build an entirely new base of brand new affiliates, that know nothing about the business...

The way I see it, the final word is with the existing affs at CAP.

There are a lot of very useful things at CAP - if I want to know what players think of a casino, I search Meister here.

If I want to find out what affiliates think of a program, I search CAP.

Like I said before, a year of messes and mistakes does not wipe out 7 years of good work.

The existing affs at CAP will decide what they want to do, once the dust has settled and we know who is who and what is what in affiliate media. I don't see that happening tomorrow.

And give Bob a chance to even look around, lol. He hasn't even started yet, how can he know solutions to what's up? Let him study it a bit, he's a level headed guy.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here.

 

[jas2587]

The way I see it, the final word is with the existing affs at CAP.

There are a lot of very useful things at CAP - if I want to know what players think of a casino, I search Meister here.

If I want to find out what affiliates think of a program, I search CAP.

Like I said before, a year of messes and mistakes does not wipe out 7 years of good work.

The existing affs at CAP will decide what they want to do, once the dust has settled and we know who is who and what is what in affiliate media. I don't see that happening tomorrow.

And give Bob a chance to even look around, lol. He hasn't even started yet, how can he know solutions to what's up? Let him study it a bit, he's a level headed guy.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here.

the way I see it what is left of the affiliates there are dropping like flies daily
if Warren is gonna do this to a partner he will think twice about doin worse to the remaining affiliates
so now Bob is the miracle worker is he gonna be able to erase what has happened I dont think so
there are affiliates still saying they are owed money how bout Warren throw some of that 2 Mil the affiliates way

Professer you are doing something here that you was real good at doin at Cap an that is ignoring ?s that are put directly to you

Lou did you go report the theft?

and as Robwin asked did you do this:

Lou, What did the Bank say when you asked them how Warren was able to electronically (online) manage to transfer over $1,000,000.00 to an offshore account with the "Patriot Act" in place without you or him either one having to show up at the bank in person to fill out all the necessary paperwork that is required in order to transfer that amount of money out of the country since the "Patriot Act" was implemented??

You did...ask them this, right??


Cindy

 

[pumacat]

edited as possible offensive - will add new picture as not to offend anybody ( sorry )

 

[dominique]

the way I see it what is left of the affiliates there are dropping like flies daily
if Warren is gonna do this to a partner he will think twice about doin worse to the remaining affiliates
so now Bob is the miracle worker is he gonna be able to erase what has happened I dont think so

A lot of affiliates drop by daily without posting to see what gives or to do their research.

Total members that have visited the forum today: 287

These are members, not guests.

There is no telling what will happen, and I, too, will vote with my feet if I don't like it. But I am going to wait and watch.

Of course Bob can't erase what happened, no one ever can. All we can ever do in life is try to build a future, no one can undo the past. I don't really know Bob, I know he is well respected in the poker community. I just figure he should have a chance to look around...before he gets hung for things he wasn't even around for.

Besides, from what I understand he will be dealing with affiliate programs, not affiliates. But I may be wrong.

It's not time yet to know what will happen in the near future. But whatever it is, affiliates will have the final vote.

 

[Elgoog]

Bob couls be awesome when it comes to SEO, i don't expect more...

 

[luckydabberbingo]

Who's picking on Dom? I asked her how she could support my banning at CAP and the theft of all the companies funds. I think thats a valid question. Especially after all the years we have worked together.

Lou - I am sure the head office can tell you who the funds went to ,local banks wont have the info but they can request it.Taking money from a corporate account is very serious business .I posted in CAP that i felt the programs should cut off all financial ties to CAP as it is serious allegations that Lou has made to have a partner take 2 million out of a corporate account.


I think Lou already knows it will take legal means to chase this money and that can open a pandora's box.I am not sticking up for LOU ,I don't really think he came here for sympathy and as some of you said we are interested in what he has to say.I think more people would believe the theft story if you -Lou Fabiano asked that programs STOP sending their money while this fight is ongoing.I think if you sent the signal to what is left to halt all payments to these companies your voice may be heard a bit more.If your plan is to email them and tell them to send the money to you at a new bank acct while Warren has the keys to the forum that will help you but put the programs at risk.

I have heard no less than 5 people say Lou and Warren are playing good cop and bad cop to try to savage what is left of CAP and this is all a made up story.We can't believe anything we hear but Actions speak much louder than words so kindly consider my suggestion.

If you only own 40% and gave up the rights to the domain you are probably SOL until you go to court.It is pretty obvious Warren assumes he can run it without you now .It really depends how these companies were set up if you have a leg to stand on .
If you still have the domain name in your registrar account then I ams ure you would have changed the dns by now so I am assuming you have lost the control of the domains.If they are assets of the corporation again you have a legal leg to stand on there -only you know what you all did in the twists and turns of this maze

I do not consider Certification fees as Stolen money ,these groups agreed to pay the fees .For a partner to take that sum of money out of an account without consulting another under these circumstances is theft and wrong.But maybe warren is using it to pay cardspike affiliates ,settle outstanding debts?

 

[PokerNations]

I do not consider Certification fees as Stolen money ,these groups agreed to pay the fees .For a partner to take that sum of money out of an account without consulting another under these circumstances is theft and wrong.But maybe warren is using it to pay cardspike affiliates ,settle outstanding debts?

You're right Judy, my mention of stolen funds is more on the topic of Cardspike.

But when it comes to certification fees, I'm sure that most of the programs paying the fees to CAP feel like their expenditure is not resulting in the type of exposure they were initially expecting.

Given what has transpired at CAP, I think it would be appropriate to refund some, if not all, of the fees paid by programs who feel things have been misrepresented to them.

 

[jas2587]

A lot of affiliates drop by daily without posting to see what gives or to do their research.



These are members, not guests.

There is no telling what will happen, and I, too, will vote with my feet if I don't like it. But I am going to wait and watch.

Of course Bob can't erase what happened, no one ever can. All we can ever do in life is try to build a future, no one can undo the past. I don't really know Bob, I know he is well respected in the poker community. I just figure he should have a chance to look around...before he gets hung for things he wasn't even around for.
Besides, from what I understand he will be dealing with affiliate programs, not affiliates. But I may be wrong.



It's not time yet to know what will happen in the near future. But whatever it is, affiliates will have the final vote.

alot are posting at CAP """Please delete my account""""" an some 1 is directing them to delete it themselves now to me that isnt them lookin at what is going on or doin research that is them saying c ya I am quitting

Cap is damaged beyond repair IMO they will always be veiwed as liars (cardspike) Bully's (London) unfair fee's for which ever person they decided yeah we can get them for that much

oh an ripping 1 partner off of 2Mil that really is affiliate money now is Warren gonna split that up with his new partner hmmmmmmm

Cindy

 

[MjPoker]

nm it.

 

[casinoranking]

A lot of programs were considering dropping out of certification in the coming months as CAP had lost a lot of integrity. I think what happened is that Warren panicked and took all of the money for himself.

Is he even going to pay employees with that money? Is he even in the country anymore? Notice after banning the prof he completely disappeared.

All speculation of course but the writing is on the wall. Let's not forget who is around and who is not.