Should CAP be rogued?

[jetset]

No one has done that. The issues (all of them) will be dealt with by the CAP membership one by one and handed over to admin for resolution.

The first issue open for discussion was accreditation of programs, the community ideas and suggestions are being sorted out this week, and presented for consideration the next week. After drafting, the programs will get time to input before a final version is drawn up. This is a legal contract, and after all parties gave their input, lawyers will finalize it. It is not happening over night.

Today I started a new open discussion regarding Board etiquette and bannings and this will be dealt with in the same fashion.

This is the beginning of a more membership driven CAP and in order to allow this, we have to allow the membership time to give the necessary input.

If you are looking for CAP to change things or make statements without collecting membership input first, it is not going to happen.

This is my idea and I stand firmly behind it. My concern lies completely with the membership, and IMO they are the ones who have a right to say what happens in their community.

If the membership is happy with admin's following through, then all is well as far as I am concerned.

All the speculations, opinions or rogueing in the world are not going to stop this process.

I applaud your efforts Dom, but imo you have just presented a glaring example of how the management are unnecessarily creating a rod for their own backs by not COMMUNICATING.

This is the sort of development that shows some sort of positive intent (hopefully) and a company statement explaining what is going on at membership level to address the controversial issues that have been raised over the past several weeks would go at least some way to dispelling the perception that the management couldn't give a stuff.

 

[Webzcas]

Card Spike will come when I am done looking for unpaid people, which I am not finding except one whose payment is in dispute. When that dispute is settled, and previous discussions are not in progress, I will address card spike in the same manner as the other issues.

Give a person some time to work! Too many issues, too little time. I will proceed at a speed I can maintain. Adressing too many issues at once will just leave us with things discussed and unsolved.

My plan is in place, and I am just going to follow it. If the community is actually going to be able to input and expect results, all of this will take time.

Dom I am not having a go at you and like JetSet applaud your efforts. However as you do not own Affiliate Media nor are Affiliate Media, we all are still being stonewalled by the management of Affiliate Media regardless of what you are trying to resolve over at CAP Forums yourself.

 

[dominique]

I am responsible for this.

Communications will ensue when the membership has has it's say on each issue and admin has had an opportunity to adapt to community input.

I do not want to see any decisions, promises or anything else that affects the membership in any way without membership guidance.

All of this has affected the community in a negative way, and the community has a right to input on how things will be handled.

 

[jetset]

If that is the company strategy, then the right course would be to announce the membership exercise and its objective in order to hold the line until membership interests and opinions have been assessed and a course ahead has been charted.

It is simply common sense for the company to tell a public that has been following this issue that enquiries are afoot that could have a positive impact.

 

[dominique]

It's not company policy, I do not and will not represent the company.

It's what the community wants.

 

[Webzcas]

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I wish I knew why this sereis of discussions on CAP have occured while I am on vacation. I appreciate the input but the timining is a bit bizzare. Dom were you instructed to start this series of CAP redesign discussions and if so by who as I wasnt consulted?

 

[kwblue]

By the time all issues are discussed and resolved, it will be a long way down the road... and some will forget. That seems to be the plan to me (no offense, Dom... you know I luv ya!)

As I have been told once before: 'Affiliates will be angry at first, but they will get over it.'

I won't tell you who told me that... but you can have a good guess at it.

 

[Webzcas]

By the time all issues are discussed and resolved, it will be a long way down the road... and some will forget. That seems to be the plan to me (no offense, Dom... you know I luv ya!)

As I have been told once before: 'Affiliates will be angry at first, but they will get over it.'

I won't tell you who told me that... but you can have a good guess at it.

Well now that Lou has decided to shelve his retirement plans, perhaps he can enlighten us with his view on the whole Card Spike debacle.

 

[jetset]

It's not company policy, I do not and will not represent the company.

It's what the community wants.

I find it difficult to get my head around the concept of a company management that has apparently surrendered it's duty to protect the company's immediate interests to a forum discussion by its members without making any sort of announcement on the project or its goals.

The post by the company's founder and president that Webzcas has just highlighted only adds to my bemusement.

 

[lots0]

Dom, how is that knife in your back feeling?

Finally got a taste of the "real" Lou... Goes down nasty don't it...

I wish I knew why this series of discussions on CAP have occured while I am on "vacation." I appreciate the input, but the timining is a bit bizzare. Dom were you instructed to start this series of CAP redesign discussions and if so by who as I wasnt consulted in the least b it. CAP is my baby and I never expected a kidnapping to occur while I was resting a little and attending to my mother who has cancer. (I know I haven't stated that before now but its an issue that is waying heavily on our family now and I wished to keep it private) I love CAP and once I get everything back in working order in my life I would like to come back to the same CAP I always knew and loved and watched grow to size it is now. Let's keep things in complete prospective.

1. We just came off our largest show ever in London with over 1600 attenndees.
2. Cancun will be a huge event as CAP Springbreak's Go and probably our largest ever.
3. Amsterdam will brak all records for an affiliate event of any kind.
4. CAP TV was laucnhed and is growing rapidly in quality, content and viewership.
5. MyCAP was another one of my initiatives which is a great social network that allows our members a secure enviroment to further develop relationships.
6. We are scheduling more CAP regionals in 2009 including Sydney so that more affiliates have access to conferences and events.
7 CAP Magazine is expanding each issue and will hopefully go monthly in 2009.
8. Our membership[ has broken 8100 and is racing towards the magic ten thousand.

Have there been a few bumps in the road? Are theri controverisal posts on other boards? Yes, we arent perfect but we do our best each and everday to bring you the best. That includes me. I have worked from basically 7:00am - 11m every day for all these years and I dont think my leadership has been a detriment to CAP in the least bit.

In private I am being told I MUST remain silent and let things "settle down" this isnt what I see happening. I see you trying to restructure CAP via threads and polls without my advice or consent. If this is a Coup please let me know so I can recognize it and address what I have to do to stop my community from being wrestled away while my guard was down.

I was in London and I realized just how much CAP means to the industry and to me and I will be damned If I will be run off from what I loved, own and created along with all our members and team. I had hoped for some more time off until my mother gets through surgery, but If I cant have that brief rest withought losing CAP then i guess my hiatus will have to end immediately.

Guys I love CAP and I love what we are going to do in 2009. We had several long meetings with GPWA in London and they agreed to work positively with us moving forward. Based on all that I am rescinding any plans to step away. I wil be in and out as medical visits come up, but I am here to stay.
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[dominique]

Well, I guess that is between Lou and Warren.

 

[prk]

But it's not found anywhere at CAP (unless it's hidden).

I'm wondering if any operators or affiliate managers could explain exactly what "The CAP Certification Process" was. You can PM me if you'd like - or post it here.

Sorry, jumping back a few pages here. I'm a bit puzzled by this too: Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

We became certified the day our forum sponsorship payment hit CAP's bank account. As an Affiliate Manager on CAP since 2004 I've always seen their "certification" as an ill-named advertising fee, but 1/ stating publicly there is an actual certification process in place and 2/ calling it "rigorous" or "distinguished" is quite misleading to say the least.

 

[lots0]

These kind of 'lies' (for lack of a better word) by Casino Affiliate Programs/Affiliate Media are designed to recruit new affiliates, that don't know any better.

Any Affiliate that has been around for any time at all, knows that the CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com 'Certification' was solely based on money being paid.

 

[dominique]

btw, this has been posted at CAP for years:

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[rowmare]

Google is destiny.

Dang, Dominique, that was nasty how Lou treated you.

I think it shows that, for Lou, it's business as usual and he's gonna wait and let things blow over, catering to n00bs who don't know better. Google is destiny.

btw, this has been posted at CAP for years:

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Do you remember what caused this to be posted?oke:

 

[BingoT]

So as Lou was on "vacation." does this mean we will hear the truth soon
We await his statement on all issues by him.
Just come out & tell it like it is and end this once-in-for-all

 

[Webzcas]

I doubt it BingoT.

Although I would love to be proved wrong.

Anyhow, Lou has spent the last hour or so toning down his initial 'I'm Back' post. Thankfully LotSo cut and pasted the original version in this thread.

 

[pokeraddict]

Now that Lou is back and there is still a coverup the answer to me is obvious.

 

[luckydabberbingo]

Sorry, jumping back a few pages here. I'm a bit puzzled by this too: Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

We became certified the day our forum sponsorship payment hit CAP's bank account. As an Affiliate Manager on CAP since 2004 I've always seen their "certification" as an ill-named advertising fee, but 1/ stating publicly there is an actual certification process in place and 2/ calling it "rigorous" or "distinguished" is quite misleading to say the least.

Nice to see an affiliate manager taking part in these discussions.:notworthy

 

[jinnia]

I voted YES!!

How long is this votng going to run?

 

[BingoT]

I voted YES!!
How long is this votng going to run?

I say until the Truth comes out

 

[mojo]

I have also posted this at the gpwa. I had mentioned that articles on what is happening at CAP were forthcoming by affilates. Of course I can't reply since I am banned.

Hi Professor, can you PLEASE change mojo's avatar from that cute little jailbird jumpsuit so that we don't have to read about it when she and fergie complete their new Anti-CAP articles that she is threatening to publish?

I'm glad that we are getting past this and moving on to more productive industry related things.

Hi Michael! Good to see you here.
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So that's where the anger is coming from Robin. The articles?

If CAP would just state on his forum that Absolute Slots aff program is run by Effective Media, it would help tremendously. If CAP won't be transparent then it is up to the affilaites to do so.

Anti-CAP? Everything does not fit into that neat little box anymore Robin.
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[RobWin]

I have also posted this at the gpwa. I had mentioned that articles on what is happening at CAP were forthcoming by affilates. Of course I can't reply since I am banned.



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So that's where the anger is coming from Robin. The articles?

If CAP would just state on his forum that Absolute Slots aff program is run by Effective Media, it would help tremendously. If CAP won't be transparent then it is up to the affilaites to do so.

Anti-CAP? Everything does not fit into that neat little box anymore Robin.
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[mojo]

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[The Dude]

Sorry, jumping back a few pages here. I'm a bit puzzled by this too: Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

We became certified the day our forum sponsorship payment hit CAP's bank account. As an Affiliate Manager on CAP since 2004 I've always seen their "certification" as an ill-named advertising fee, but 1/ stating publicly there is an actual certification process in place and 2/ calling it "rigorous" or "distinguished" is quite misleading to say the least.

Thanks prk - much appreciated to share this with everyone. I'm sure you're not the only one that feels this way.

btw, this has been posted at CAP for years:

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It may be posted in the forum, but this ought to be placed somewhere on the Certified Cap programs - it's not. Nevertheless, what is posted at Affiliate Media is misleading.

...and a rigorous and distinguished certification process for online casino affiliate programs. The CAP Certification Process is held in the highest regard among industry experts, and is designed to protect the integrity of affiliates and the online gaming industry as a whole.

Who are these experts? I ain't one of them, that's for damn sure. This is ad copy - nothing less.

Ad copy is okay to describe your casinos or affiliate programs, but it is NOT okay to use this for something that is supposedly objective in nature.

Please do not baffle us with bullshit.

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How long is this votng going to run?

Well, the vote was set up by a member - which is fine. The poll may be therapeutic for some, but the roguing process is not a democratic process since (in this situation) it's not all that simple

I'll let it be for a couple of more days to let it run its course.

I'm still awaiting word on Cardspike by the way.