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[mojo]

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Perhaps should be re-written?

 

[lots0]

Silence and business as usual from CAP, says it all.

We've all seen this before, with other Rogue outfits.

Dom, looks like despite your best efforts, the patient killed it's self..

I don't see how anyone that wants to be considered 'honest' or 'trustworthy' can do business or have anything to do with CAP/PAP now.

 

[dominique]

It will have to be silence unless they issue a press release or video or something.

Lou and Warren are not posting at CAP anymore.

 

[lots0]

Dom they are leaving the Forum to you?

If that is so, are you going to continue to use the forum to recruit new 3rd tier affiliates for CAP/PAP?

 

[Webzcas]

It will have to be silence unless they issue a press release or video or something.

Lou and Warren are not posting at CAP anymore.

Not exactly true and all very convenient. Lou has been thanking every pro cap post since his big exit. Furthermore he posted concerning Grand Prive not more than 48 hours ago.

 

[jas2587]

Not exactly true and all very convenient. Lou has been thanking every pro cap post since his big exit. Furthermore he posted concerning Grand Prive not more than 48 hours ago.

yep I saw the same thing
Lou is not silenced nor retired an healthy as a OX
they act like nothin happened in London its biz as usual
I dont see how or why you would want to put yourself in this mess Dom
No One is gonna believe in CAP again IMO

Cindy

 

[dominique]

Not exactly true and all very convenient. Lou has been thanking every pro cap post since his big exit. Furthermore he posted concerning Grand Prive not more than 48 hours ago.

Yeah, he is reading and thanking and wanted to post an update on Grand Prive but thought the better of it.

Leaving the forum to me? I hardly think so. They own it.

I just want that no one gets banned without my say so, and no threads are moved or closed without my say so. There are too many fingers in that pie and these things have been getting out of control IMO.

I am the one who asked Warren and Lou to please stop posting. I saw it as counter productive for the community.

Lou wanted to stop anyway, but after 8 years of considering the forum his baby that's a real hard thing to do, and I understand because I have the same issue.

I don't think that Bryan intended this thread to turn into the slugfest it is turning into, and so I will withdraw from it for a while. I don't feel that there are any open minds here, they seem to be all made up already, so no point to my posting here I guess.

 

[rowmare]

I don't think that Bryan intended this thread to turn into the slugfest it is turning into, and so I will withdraw from it for a while. I don't feel that there are any open minds here, they seem to be all made up already, so no point to my posting here I guess.

Given the situation, reactions of anger and cynical comments must have been expected...
I understand how frustrating a position you are in; trying to defend the indefensible and calming the angry masses. It is not, however, reasonable to accuse your peers of having closed minds or calling this discussion a slug fest simply because people aren't responding in a way that you are comfortable with.
The reactions you see here are all perfectly understandable and utterly predictable.

 

[The Dude]

I don't see this thread as a slugfest at all.

Criticism is not slugging. Hell, I started this thread to give anyone who gives a flying rat's ass a way to fix CAP.

I didn't just jump off some boat from China, I know the industry, and I have been in contact with scores of people who are directly involved with this. I know what I am talking about.

But this thread is not about me, nor is it about you Dom, it is about how CAP can be fixed. It is about solutions, not about how CAP has helped people in the past.

I'm trying to enlighten the right people on doing the right thing. I'm hoping some of the other interested parties will chime in as well.

 

[Webzcas]

Respectfully Dom I completely disagree with your assessment calling this thread a slugfest. Making an observation as to CAP's silence is not an attack, it is an observation. Of which I have come to a conclusion - Which is that CAP are not going to change their current business model.

CAP currently 'Certifies' 90 odd programs, of which many I would not even refer my worst enemy to. CAP are trying to become a behometh in this sector of the industry and create a monopoly, putting cash before the interests of their members' and ultimately the players first.

Also looking at the archive posts of CAP, I find it 'interesting' that Warren and Lou like to publically coerce a program to renew their certification if they do not wish to do so. Another case of CAP Bully Boy tactics that we have become accustomed to over the past few months??

I am not going to name names of the casinos concerned as they do not deserve the negative publicity, but I am more than happy to send Bryan the links to said threads on CAP.


Then there is Lou and Warren's link to Card Spike via Effective Media - which in my view is the icing on the cake ( no pun intended ). It is funny how people are starting to forget about the whole Card Spike affair. Where is Lou's public explanation since Michael released this document -

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There has been just tumbleweed and then more tumbleweed.

Then there were the events at CAP Euro which you yourself witnessed firsthand. Has there been a public apology made to all who witnessed what happened? Again nothing!

I am glad Bryan started this thread. I am also glad Bryan has the Kahuna's to state what a lot of people have been feeling for a long time. CAP is broken, Affiliates are pissed off as are many of the upstanding programs who utilise their services. Is it any wonder the actual posting activity on CAP has taken a nose dive since the last few weeks. No coincidence I feel. People are voting with their feet and quite rightly so.

Until such time the management at Affiliate Media recognise there is a very real problem with CAP that needs addressing, I imagine the situation will get no better. Silencing the dissenting voice is not the correct way to resolve this. although I am sure that is what CAP/AM are hoping for.

I can understand why you are backing out of this thread though Dom. Lou is a good friend of yours and CAP is your home from home. However you know by continuing defending the indefensible you are digging yourself into a bigger hole.

 

[RobWin]

Also looking at the archive posts of CAP, I find it 'interesting' that Warren and Lou like to publically coerce a program to renew their certification if they do not wish to do so. Another case of CAP Bully Boy tactics that we have become accustomed to over the past few months??

I am not going to name names of the casinos concerned as they do not deserve the negative publicity, but I am more than happy to send Bryan the links to said threads on CAP.

I would think that would be positive publicity for the casino that refuses to renew their farce certification with CAP and it further shows that the casino does in fact have some moral standards to stand up for themselves and do the right thing. I think by naming the casinos it would also be beneficial and set a precedent to the other programs to see that these few are willing to make a public stand.

 

[dominique]

I have been back for 3 days and down with the flu since the last day in London.

I haven't even gotten started.

A thread here runs for two days and because there is no reaction at CAP in that time, we just pronounce CAP dead.

The fact is that there is nothing much constructive here other than Bryan's original post. Being destructive is not my cup of tea, regardless what side of any issue I happen to be on.

Lou is a friend, yes, but that doesn't mean I agree with all of his actions. Or that things will continue down the same path. It's ok to disagree with friends. Personally, I rely on my friends to tell me when I am heading in the wrong direction. When your friends tell you that, it has value and is constructive.

In my book, someone who has made major positive contributions to something for years deserves a chance to straighten out things that may have gone down a path that is undesireable.

Within two days this post went from suggesting solutions to pronouncing the patient dead.

The patient isn't dead. I am trying to get rid of the flu (thank god I don't have to actually speak here, I can only croak at the time) and the jetlag and do some thinking and then you should see some reactions to positive, constructive statements.

This may be the internet, but we are still all human.

 

[Webzcas]

Rob I'm by no means going to drag a third party into this. But I will quite happily PM you the link.

 

[RobWin]

Rob I'm by no means going to drag a third party into this. But I will quite happily PM you the link.

Yes, I understand your thoughts Webzcas, please do PM me...

 

[RobWin]

Thanks for the link Webzcas, I do see now though why you did not want to mention their name since in my opinion they ended up caving back in to CAP under pressure...

 

[jinnia]

Returned to 'cap' under pressure? BS!

What the hell could 'cap' say/do to pressure one to remain
and pay the outrageous prices for a phony seal? Bad mouth
their business?

If the casino/affiliate program is a good, ethical one, they have
plenty out there promoting and backing them!!

Casino / affiliate managers, think about it, and get real!!!

 

[RobWin]

Thanks for the link Webzcas, I do see now though why you did not want to mention their name since in my opinion they ended up caving back in to CAP under pressure...

Returned to 'cap' under pressure? BS!

What the hell could 'cap' say/do to pressure one to remain
and pay the outrageous prices for a phony seal? Bad mouth
their business?

If the casino/affiliate program is a good, ethical one, they have
plenty out there promoting and backing them!!

Casino / affiliate managers, think about it, and get real!!!

OoooooK...maybe you can enlighten us all then as to why this particular program did return to CAP then, since you thought my opinion was BS...

 

[The Dude]

Or perhaps keep this to a PM (or another thread) since it's derailing the thread. Thanks

 

[mojo]

This thread may have only been here a couple of days but we have been discussing this at Casinomeister for a month now. What is truly destructive is the lack of response from the administraters at CAP. There has been a major blow by CAP against this industry. Ignoring it will not make it go away.

Though many of us are weary from it, we're still here and will be until it is resolved. Words like slugfest, cap bashing, cap haters etc have been used so often it now goes in one ear and out the other.

Dominique, perhaps you could find out for us if there will be a statement or plan of action by the CAP administrators to try to rectify this?

 

[jinnia]

Or perhaps keep this to a PM (or another thread) since it's derailing the thread. Thanks

You got it Mr Meister man!

Apologies for derailng this un-dedrailed thread!!

Back on topic!

 

[bonustreak]

But this thread is not about me, nor is it about you Dom, it is about how CAP can be fixed. It is about solutions, not about how CAP has helped people in the past.

Just got a chance to read the thread and I have to say there are some really good ideas and some I don't agree with and that is the beauty of debating we don't all have to agree. This is a great thread and can have great potential if kept on track

 

[Simmo!]

Reminder: this is the thread for potential solutions, not the complaints. Plenty of other threads for that.

 

[GaryWatson]

My resolution would be for CAP to make a choice.

1) They could be an affiliate resource and pick up new subs along the way. They will support the affiliates.

2) They could be an info relaying resource for affiliate programs, sponsor who ever the hell they like. Ban any member in their forum for whatever they wish.

There is a conflict of interest in either choice so they shouldnt have both.

The Cardspike issue should bring it to a point. CAP is a site looking after operators (Possibly even have a share in several).

Solution :

Disclosure - Chose the affiliates or the operators interest and make it visible to newcomers. If CAp choses the operators, they should immediately remove their badge of approval on all sites.

 

[mojo]

Reminder: this is the thread for potential solutions, not the complaints. Plenty of other threads for that.

I have a general question Simmo and anyone. Do you think the suggestions here are being heard by CAP administration and/or Affilate Programs?

 

[The Dude]

I have a general question Simmo and anyone. Do you think the suggestions here are being heard by CAP administration and/or Affilate Programs?

That's for them to know and us to find out...

FWIW - since this thread began, about 50 i-Gaming Reps have logged in. Don't know if they've been reading this thread, but odds are they are.

CAP is a business - it's their business, and it's up to them on how to run it. I've already voiced how I feel about the way things have gone - as have a number of others. And there has been some great suggestions here as well.

I want CAP to succeed, but succeed in a way that benefits all parties involved: affiliates, affiliate programs, operators, players and event coordinators.

It's doable, but it's up to them to do it.