All British SOW request issue.

shadow123

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My biggest gripe is the variation in deposit levels that trigger all this shite.

VS happily accepted probably around 30k over 2 years
All british started it at about 2.5k over a week,
Mecca and Grosvener got awkward after about 35k at each in 3 months ( suprised it took that long)
Playojo was at about 1.6 k in under a week.

I know they cant really disclose what the trigger levels are but it spoils the experience if you know that
losing is going to end with account closure if you are not prepared to disclose everything.
 

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My biggest gripe is the variation in deposit levels that trigger all this shite.

VS happily accepted probably around 30k over 2 years
All british started it at about 2.5k over a week,
Mecca and Grosvener got awkward after about 35k at each in 3 months ( suprised it took that long)
Playojo was at about 1.6 k in under a week.

I know they cant really disclose what the trigger levels are but it spoils the experience if you know that
losing is going to end with account closure if you are not prepared to disclose everything.
May be wrong but I think now it’s a new set limit across the board at ukgc facing casinos, maybe wrong so correct me if needs be.
Would be helpful if they told you the amount they use therefor you can arrange all the nonsense requested if you want to.
If not you should be allowed to take your money and leave like any other business should they be satisfied your not Walter white or big pablo.
 

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May be wrong but I think now it’s a new set limit across the board at ukgc facing casinos, maybe wrong so correct me if needs be.
Would be helpful if they told you the amount they use therefor you can arrange all the nonsense requested if you want to.
If not you should be allowed to take your money and leave like any other business should they be satisfied your not Walter white or big pablo.

If they told you the trigger level and you were money laundering or depositing above your means, you would
know when to stop and move on elsewhere so I cant blame them for not disclosing it.
I dont know if the UKGC deciede what the levels are, doubt it with variation I have had
 

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If they told you the trigger level and you were money laundering or depositing above your means, you would
know when to stop and move on elsewhere so I cant blame them for not disclosing it.
I dont know if the UKGC deciede what the levels are, doubt it with variation I have had
I know it lol.
But I get your point totally.
Also checked my credit rating today and found loads of searches since 2019 from L and L and white hat.
Would of been nice to have been informed of this as it can affect your credit rating.
 

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Can you imagine joining a casino now, taking 5 mins to register and deposit,getting no verification demands,
allowed feature buys,not having to wait 3 seconds for a game to spin,and not getting bloody constant
reminders that you have been playing for xx minutes and lost/won xx.

I hear it was like that once not so long ago
 

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I know it lol.
But I get your point totally.
Also checked my credit rating today and found loads of searches since 2019 from L and L and white hat.
Would of been nice to have been informed of this as it can affect your credit rating.

Must have a look at my credit report,was only VS mentioned last time but I bet there is a massive list now,
They say it has no impact on you credit status but having all those casinos checking on you cannot be a plus
point.
 

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Can you imagine joining a casino now, taking 5 mins to register and deposit,getting no verification demands,
allowed feature buys,not having to wait 3 seconds for a game to spin,and not getting bloody constant
reminders that you have been playing for xx minutes and lost/won xx.

I hear it was like that once not so long ago
It needed to happen as it was the Wild West.
I agree it’s much too far, but massive changes take time to work.

also had a reply from the ukgc recently regarding the advertising of online casinos in certain ways.

That’s also been monitored and addressed in a big way.
So more changes will be coming.

Personally a system like gamstop should be the norm when you deposit now, prove your income, where it comes from etc before you ur allowed to play.
That would solve this very quickly.

Yes ok if your finance is complex, mine is a tad explain this and await a decision.

Sadly the Wild West of casinos has caused this so they can’t be now crying wolf.
As said also certain ways of promoting casinos is the next thing that will cause massive issues for some.

When you dance with the devil you wait for the music to stop ( and not talking about my mate on the listening top thread)
 

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Must have a look at my credit report,was only VS mentioned last time but I bet there is a massive list now,
They say it has no impact on you credit status but having all those casinos checking on you cannot be a plus
point.
On mine it’s multiple searches, wasn’t impressed at all.
Everyman and his dog knows on here I work offshore, I’ve zero to hide.
Also providing sow, kyc you should be told they will be checking your credit file...
But they don’t.
 

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Yes but the right way to do it is when a deposit reaches a trigger point,allow the player full access including
withdrawing but block all future deposits with a message saying they cannot be proccessed until the required
documents have been submitted and reviewed... simples
for RG Sow not for AML.
There shouldn't even be a threshold for AML checks.
 

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If they told you the trigger level and you were money laundering or depositing above your means, you would
know when to stop and move on elsewhere so I cant blame them for not disclosing it.
I dont know if the UKGC deciede what the levels are, doubt it with variation I have had

If they were AML checks they shouldn't have been based solely on deposits.
 

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It needed to happen as it was the Wild West.
I agree it’s much too far, but massive changes take time to work.

also had a reply from the ukgc recently regarding the advertising of online casinos in certain ways.

That’s also been monitored and addressed in a big way.
So more changes will be coming.

Personally a system like gamstop should be the norm when you deposit now, prove your income, where it comes from etc before you ur allowed to play.
That would solve this very quickly.

Yes ok if your finance is complex, mine is a tad explain this and await a decision.

Sadly the Wild West of casinos has caused this so they can’t be now crying wolf.
As said also certain ways of promoting casinos is the next thing that will cause massive issues for some.

When you dance with the devil you wait for the music to stop ( and not talking about my mate on the listening top thread)

Dont agree its all the casinos fault,they are in business to make money and would not have been expected
to question deposit levels unless there were definate concerns,it all the do gooders and people who know
fuck all about the industry deceiding how we should be spending our money.
Fine for me to go out and buy a car , speedboat,go on a round the world cruise,no questions asked even if I cant afford it.
Can honestly say that in 20 years I must have played at 50 casinos with no problems at all but did
go over the top at one stage but it was my own doing,I was an adult and free to make my own mistakes
and I dont blame the casinos.
 

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Dont agree its all the casinos fault,they are in business to make money and would not have been expected
to question deposit levels unless there were definate concerns,it all the do gooders and people who know
fuck all about the industry deceiding how we should be spending our money.
Fine for me to go out and buy a car , speedboat,go on a round the world cruise,no questions asked even if I cant afford it.
Can honestly say that in 20 years I must have played at 50 casinos with no problems at all but did
go over the top at one stage but it was my own doing,I was an adult and free to make my own mistakes
and I dont blame the casinos.
Yes but making a purchase isn’t gambling and should you want finance your credit checked.
In other words if you can’t afford it then really you have no business buying said product.
Why should you be allowed to gamble when you can’t afford it?..
 

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for RG Sow not for AML.
There shouldn't even be a threshold for AML checks.

Sorry I am might be wrong, but I think AML is a total red herring,cant see how its a major problem
and the checks are only being done because the UKGC demands it ,said before I dont know
of a single proven case of ML,the casinos have only been fined for not carrying out the checks to the required
standard , not for allowing it to happen.
 
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Yes but the right way to do it is when a deposit reaches a trigger point,allow the player full access including
withdrawing but block all future deposits with a message saying they cannot be proccessed until the required
documents have been submitted and reviewed... simples
 

shadow123

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Yes but making a purchase isn’t gambling and should you want finance your credit checked.
In other words if you can’t afford it then really you have no business buying said product.
Why should you be allowed to gamble when you can’t afford it?..

So gambling is basically bad, I worked all my life, its my fucking money, i paid tax on it ,its no ones
business but mine what I do with it.end of.

Sorry not having a go at you at all (should have deleted the fucking but it seemed to fit)
 

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Sorry I am might be wrong, but I think AML is a total red herring,cant see how its a major problem
and the checks are only being done because the UKGC demands ,said before I dont know
of a single proven case of ML,the casinos have only be fined for not carrying out the checks to the required
standard , not for allowing it to happen.
You are wrong, there have been loads of cases of criminal activity leading to penalties and warnings by the UKGC.
AML isn't only a UKGC rule, it's law. Your bank has to follow them, if you go and buy a car, they do, the list goes on.

Google brings up this as the first result

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almost half a million in stolen money to be repaid, and there are loads of similar cases. They are just the ones with actual action taken, and theres a lot more who don't.
 
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So gambling is basically bad, I worked all my life, its my fucking money, i paid tax on it ,its no ones
business but mine what I do with it.end of.

Sorry not having a go at you at all (should have deleted the fucking but it seemed to fit)
If you try to buy a car on finance you can’t afford then the bank says no and The credit companies.

What’s the difference with a casino? Trying to spend £500 for example you can’t afford.

You don’t have a issue or a problem if you are spending within your means.

It’s rightly regulated and I’m all for tighter restrictions.
 

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So gambling is basically bad, I worked all my life, its my fucking money, i paid tax on it ,its no ones
business but mine what I do with it.end of.

No but it is law enforcement business if you stole it, and a way of catching you is for suspicious behaviour to be reported.

The problem I have is that most casinos clearly aren't doing AML checks on a risk based approach, which is what they should be doing.
 

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You are wrong, there have been loads of cases of criminal activity leading to penalties and warnings by the UKGC.
AML isn't a UKGC rule, it's law. Your bank has to follow them, if you go and buy a car, they do, the list goes on.

Google brings up this as the first result

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almost half a million in stolen money to be repaid, and there are loads of similar cases. They are just the ones with actual action taken, and theres a lot more who don't.

Havnt looked at the link but I bet its nothing to do with actual money laundering, more likely players depositing money stolen from employers.No problem just calling it SOW, AML is just muddying the waters.
 
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