All British SOW request issue.

[shadow123]

It needed to happen as it was the Wild West.
I agree it’s much too far, but massive changes take time to work.

also had a reply from the ukgc recently regarding the advertising of online casinos in certain ways.

That’s also been monitored and addressed in a big way.
So more changes will be coming.

Personally a system like gamstop should be the norm when you deposit now, prove your income, where it comes from etc before you ur allowed to play.
That would solve this very quickly.

Yes ok if your finance is complex, mine is a tad explain this and await a decision.

Sadly the Wild West of casinos has caused this so they can’t be now crying wolf.
As said also certain ways of promoting casinos is the next thing that will cause massive issues for some.

When you dance with the devil you wait for the music to stop ( and not talking about my mate on the listening top thread)

Dont agree its all the casinos fault,they are in business to make money and would not have been expected
to question deposit levels unless there were definate concerns,it all the do gooders and people who know
fuck all about the industry deceiding how we should be spending our money.
Fine for me to go out and buy a car , speedboat,go on a round the world cruise,no questions asked even if I cant afford it.
Can honestly say that in 20 years I must have played at 50 casinos with no problems at all but did
go over the top at one stage but it was my own doing,I was an adult and free to make my own mistakes
and I dont blame the casinos.

 

[Playford7]

Dont agree its all the casinos fault,they are in business to make money and would not have been expected
to question deposit levels unless there were definate concerns,it all the do gooders and people who know
fuck all about the industry deceiding how we should be spending our money.
Fine for me to go out and buy a car , speedboat,go on a round the world cruise,no questions asked even if I cant afford it.
Can honestly say that in 20 years I must have played at 50 casinos with no problems at all but did
go over the top at one stage but it was my own doing,I was an adult and free to make my own mistakes
and I dont blame the casinos.

Yes but making a purchase isn’t gambling and should you want finance your credit checked.
In other words if you can’t afford it then really you have no business buying said product.
Why should you be allowed to gamble when you can’t afford it?..

 

[shadow123]

for RG Sow not for AML.
There shouldn't even be a threshold for AML checks.

Sorry I am might be wrong, but I think AML is a total red herring,cant see how its a major problem
and the checks are only being done because the UKGC demands it ,said before I dont know
of a single proven case of ML,the casinos have only been fined for not carrying out the checks to the required
standard , not for allowing it to happen.

 

[Kroffe]

Yes but the right way to do it is when a deposit reaches a trigger point,allow the player full access including
withdrawing but block all future deposits with a message saying they cannot be proccessed until the required
documents have been submitted and reviewed... simples

 

[Playford7]

That guy is so like trancemonkey when asked a question about slots haha!..
Just kidding trance!..

 

[shadow123]

Yes but making a purchase isn’t gambling and should you want finance your credit checked.
In other words if you can’t afford it then really you have no business buying said product.
Why should you be allowed to gamble when you can’t afford it?..

So gambling is basically bad, I worked all my life, its my fucking money, i paid tax on it ,its no ones
business but mine what I do with it.end of.

Sorry not having a go at you at all (should have deleted the fucking but it seemed to fit)

 

[colinsunderland]

Sorry I am might be wrong, but I think AML is a total red herring,cant see how its a major problem
and the checks are only being done because the UKGC demands ,said before I dont know
of a single proven case of ML,the casinos have only be fined for not carrying out the checks to the required
standard , not for allowing it to happen.

You are wrong, there have been loads of cases of criminal activity leading to penalties and warnings by the UKGC.
AML isn't only a UKGC rule, it's law. Your bank has to follow them, if you go and buy a car, they do, the list goes on.

Google brings up this as the first result

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almost half a million in stolen money to be repaid, and there are loads of similar cases. They are just the ones with actual action taken, and theres a lot more who don't.

 

[Playford7]

So gambling is basically bad, I worked all my life, its my fucking money, i paid tax on it ,its no ones
business but mine what I do with it.end of.

Sorry not having a go at you at all (should have deleted the fucking but it seemed to fit)

If you try to buy a car on finance you can’t afford then the bank says no and The credit companies.

What’s the difference with a casino? Trying to spend £500 for example you can’t afford.

You don’t have a issue or a problem if you are spending within your means.

It’s rightly regulated and I’m all for tighter restrictions.

 

[colinsunderland]

So gambling is basically bad, I worked all my life, its my fucking money, i paid tax on it ,its no ones
business but mine what I do with it.end of.

No but it is law enforcement business if you stole it, and a way of catching you is for suspicious behaviour to be reported.

The problem I have is that most casinos clearly aren't doing AML checks on a risk based approach, which is what they should be doing.

 

[shadow123]

You are wrong, there have been loads of cases of criminal activity leading to penalties and warnings by the UKGC.
AML isn't a UKGC rule, it's law. Your bank has to follow them, if you go and buy a car, they do, the list goes on.

Google brings up this as the first result

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almost half a million in stolen money to be repaid, and there are loads of similar cases. They are just the ones with actual action taken, and theres a lot more who don't.

Havnt looked at the link but I bet its nothing to do with actual money laundering, more likely players depositing money stolen from employers.No problem just calling it SOW, AML is just muddying the waters.

 

[colinsunderland]

Havnt looked at the link but I bet its nothing to do with actual money laundering, more likely players depositing money stolen from employers.

which is exactly what the money laundering laws are there for. To prevent anyone using any funds that are not legitimate, you know, like stolen from employers. Maybe if you bothered to read some links you might understand that.

 

[shadow123]

Scuse me for posting ,I always try and read links, I am just too knackered at the moment,be nice.

 

[shaunb95]

UKGC should just make it so SOW gets done when you sign up as with verification

I know of a few local casinos where if you’re of certain occupations/unemployed they won’t allow you entry
Surely a central system like GamStop can be created where they run initials checks before depositing about your occupation/affordability, I.e upload a payslip/proof of income and work out what is ‘normal’ expenditure (maybe using open banking as well or something) then if anything goes over that limit in future, then you start doing further checks I.e have you changed job, windfall, whatever
then you’re taking care of AML, RG and SOW all at the same time

Fact is, they still allowed £3k of deposits -after-requesting SOW documents. It wouldn’t be hard to just implement a system to take care of all this at the start. Commission needs to step up and sort it otherwise situations like this will go on indefinitely

 

[colinsunderland]

UKGC should just make it so SOW gets done when you sign up as with verification

I know of a few local casinos where if you’re of certain occupations/unemployed they won’t allow you entry
Surely a central system like GamStop can be created where they run initials checks before depositing about your occupation/affordability, I.e upload a payslip/proof of income and work out what is ‘normal’ expenditure (maybe using open banking as well or something) then if anything goes over that limit in future, then you start doing further checks I.e have you changed job, windfall, whatever
then you’re taking care of AML, RG and SOW all at the same time

Fact is, they still allowed £3k of deposits -after-requesting SOW documents. It wouldn’t be hard to just implement a system to take care of all this at the start. Commission needs to step up and sort it otherwise situations like this will go on indefinitely

Well not really, a SoW is only any good on the day it's done. Someone could lose their job the next day and start shoplifting to fund their gambling, staying within the same spending patterns as before.
Problem with having it done by one place is the GDPR to start with, secondly, the law clearly states the business is responsible for these checks. Who should be held responsible if the people doing the checks get it wrong?
You would also have to have every single casino/bookie reporting deposits and withdrawals back to them.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

I know it lol.
But I get your point totally.
Also checked my credit rating today and found loads of searches since 2019 from L and L and white hat.
Would of been nice to have been informed of this as it can affect your credit rating.

same!!!! Soft searches but searches all the same?!

 

[irish-ranger]

same!!!! Soft searches but searches all the same?!

Soft searches to confirm age identity ETC are only seen by you just like the made up credit score only seen by you the casinos will have it in their T@Cs that u agree to these searches being carried out..

 

[shadow123]

Soft searches or not.still onfile with the credit agency that casinos have checked
Info on you

 

[irish-ranger]

Soft searches or not.still onfile with the credit agency that casinos have checked
Info on you

That has no relevance as YOU are the only person who sees it plus the fact yous agree to said searches on sign up..
The simple solution if it annoys you that much is to cease signing up to new accounts not that will stop previous casinos carrying out further searches to stay within their licence conditions.

 

[colinsunderland]

I would be amazed if you haven't agreed to soft checks (or electronic verification) when you accepted the T&C's at almost all casinos you hold an account with.

 

[Gaz237]

@L&L-Jan Have added to the PM

 

[Gaz237]

@L&L-Jan Pm Updated

 

[L&L-Jan]

Me

 

[bamberfishcake]

Agree with Colin that it's the way and when they are implemented that some casinos abuse.

 

[k6kaysix]

LeoVegas allowed me to deposit £500, £500, £500, £500, £500 and cash out £0 without any verification, funny that

Anyway after struggling to even get a 50x bonus on all these supposedly huge potential games (Razor Shark, Jammin Jars, Napoleon, Deadwood, Lil' Devil, you name it I tried it!) I decided enough was enough after that and my next deposit was a 1 year exclusion on GamStop

 

[Gaz237]

@L&L-Jan Pm updated

 

[L&L-Jan]

Me 2

 

[Borgie]

Me 2

You two have a love thing going on ... enjoy

 

[L&L-Jan]

Yes and is has ended unfortunately. Gaz passed SOW process. Unfortunately we did require two extra documents delaying the process, but I'm happy he was willing to cooperate and I just pushed the process towards our MLRO when I could.

 

[colinsunderland]

ffs i was wanting an invite to the wedding.
I'll email the MLRO and ask him to request payslips going back to 1983, so long can it continue

 

[Gaz237]

Money is In back in my account this afternoon.

Jan has bent over backwoods to try and sort this. Fair play to him, but he did advise to compile with what they ask


I would not have my money now without Jan, But his magic wand only extends so far.

Without him my money would still be tied up.

I will add the whole story with Jan's additives
Later in the week

Simple story was I sold my posh caravan and bought a 6 berth motor home. And money went in and out of my account.

I made a profit of £3,000on the caravan and they had my bank statements to seeb I had transferred thousands so had a big stakes gamble

 

[dealer wins]

Well when I get asked for SOWs, I explain that I left my 20 year full time job in 2003, and since then have arbed and bet my own sports "system", saved most of the profit and accumulated nearly 500k which is spread over several betting exchanges, bookmakers, offshore non regulated bookmakers, savings accounts and a large share portfolio. But because I have zero fixed income and its all but impossible to prove my arbing profit as some months its next to none others 10k, I cant pass them easily if at all.

Not that I even attempt to pass them with casinos, I point blank refuse to even try. But Ive had to with the exchanges I use and my god what a drama of weeks of shit with smarkets in particular who closed my account as they said I cant afford to trade. The whole thing is a joke