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goatwack

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Have you ever bothered to ask a casino your actual RTP on a game you have played hundreds of thousands of spins on? Or do you just simply ‘feel’ like the games aren’t playing as intended?
What else is he supposed to go on? Blind trust of a casino's word that the game's tickety-boo, at complete odds with everything he's encountered in the six years prior?

At what point is someone allowed to question the fairness of the end product, without constantly being assured all is as it should be, other than to perhaps summon one's future self to come back 30 years in time and say "sorry buddy, but it seems you were wrong".

Fact is nobody knows how these games play out and whether any projected target is ever met, as it is an ongoing process. But if told one needs 'several billion spins and it'll all be ok', then that seems just as convenient to not meet RTP. Nobody knows for sure, which makes it all the more bemusing.

And whilst this beef isn't with my Bonanza gameplay, I wouldn't trust casinos to even be able to tell me what day of the week it is, as the mere terms 'RTP', 'Wagering' and other assorted pitfalls tend to send them into a state of confusion :laugh:
 
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snorky510238

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We have analysed your account activity for the game Bonanza. Your stakes and winnings show your pay-out winning percentage (RTP%) is 87.71%.

Should you have any concerns regarding a bet/s placed whilst playing at our casino, please provide us with more details in order to investigate further.

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The above is copied and pasted directly from the reply I got from SpinRider, after questioning some unbelievably shite gameplay at their site. Thousands in deposits, thousands of spins, over 5 years of play.

Posted this on the Bonanza thread and it was conveniently ignored.
 

6HellsBells6

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I believe you Snorky, I've been playing hours, days and years and it is so fking obvious to my eyes on multiple occasions, that there is another element at play while slotting.

Controlled environment or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

Casinos do not invest millions for pants yester year tech. They probably have the capacity to learn my bowel movement if they so decided.

I could write countless stories like many of you from different sessions " But I only remember the bad not the amazing hot streak that comes once or twice a year" within range and limited of course.

But before I ramble on and time is currently short.

Watching Live Casino gameshows , it is obvious that there is some sort of control stop mechanism and bingo games and poker are without doubt shady as fuck.

So, if they can get away with it live , then what the fuck would stop them, fucking about with your slotting session?

They have a licence to take, its paid for, and you knowingly enter in to this agreement with the Trp that you will always lose. So why not rape you quicker than normal.

Unless your a rare thing and you hit once and run, unlike us degens who need our fix of endorphins...!

My 2 cents, or thousands upon thousands over years and years
 

greylady

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I just get the impression that BTG's games drip feed you small wins to meet their RTP before it pummels your balance and slams the door on you!

I can't recall having even had two quick succession bonus rounds on BTG games in the past 3-4 years. It takes thousands of spins before a bonus drops in again.
 

satchnz

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You only have to watch something like Lightning Roulette for a few mins to see that they use magnets in the wheel and the ball. The physics aren’t natural. But as long as the game maintains RTP, they are doing nothing illegal. It’s shady as fuck but within the advertised odds of the game.

If you think I am tinfoil hatting then spend a few mins watching the game yourself before responding.
 

snorky510238

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I remember watching a guy playing FOBT roulette (and online will work exactly the same). He used to come in with £1,000 and just bet red or black, at £100 a spin.

I never saw him get ahead once on the game. It would always start with 2 losing spins and then whatever he did the game would never let him get ahead.

I also saw another guy betting on the numbers, leaving only 5 numbers out. 6 was one of the numbers he omitted. £100 a spin and 5 losing spins in a row, with 6 coming out 4 times. I could relay hundreds of similar stories but there’s no point. These crooked providers have got everything covered by shady programming that allegedly meets the criteria required. People like myself will always be in the minority, as the majority can’t see beyond the end of their nose.
 

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So the casinos had an absolute dead cert where they were mathematically guaranteed to make money by running random games with a generous house edge, but by employing all sorts of cheats, trickery and cons, (which there is precisely zero evidence of), they've managed to devise a system where, erm, they also make money, and they're only risking multi-million pound fines, the loss of their operating licences, and potential criminal sanctions to do so.

Makes perfect sense!
 

Kroffe

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So the casinos had an absolute dead cert where they were mathematically guaranteed to make money by running random games with a generous house edge, but by employing all sorts of cheats, trickery and cons, (which there is precisely zero evidence of), they've managed to devise a system where, erm, they also make money, and they're only risking multi-million pound fines, the loss of their operating licences, and potential criminal sanctions to do so.

Makes perfect sense!
There have been many instances of casinos losing their license, and many many fines dealt out for breaking regulations.
So yeah, as evidence shows they are absolutely prepared to break the rules to make more money even if doing so may cost them their license and/or big fines.

Like you said, makes perfect sense to suspect foul play.
 

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There have been many instances of casinos losing their license, and many many fines dealt out for breaking regulations.
So yeah, as evidence shows they are absolutely prepared to break the rules to make more money even if doing so may cost them their license and/or big fines.

Like you said, makes perfect sense to suspect foul play.

Not for running bent games though, it's always AML related, not protecting problem gamblers, not doing SOW properly and so on.

I can't think of a single instance where a UGKC casino has been done for running bent games.
 

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Anyway, I hope none of y'all are still playing these cheating games, because that'd be well daft.
 

goatwack

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So the casinos had an absolute dead cert where they were mathematically guaranteed to make money by running random games with a generous house edge, but by employing all sorts of cheats, trickery and cons, (which there is precisely zero evidence of), they've managed to devise a system where, erm, they also make money, and they're only risking multi-million pound fines, the loss of their operating licences, and potential criminal sanctions to do so.

Makes perfect sense!
I'd be inclined to agree with you if at no time had casinos or dodgy software ever been exposed as cheating players before, as I'm sure people that experienced 'discrepancies' with those were probably met with the same sound bites.

Unfortunately, that's not the case, and many have, indeed, been caught out, manipulating and cheating their customers with trickery and cons. So there is that, at least :laugh:

Why are you so fervent in your belief that this would simply not ever be possible with a UKGC-licensed casino?
 

danofthewibble

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I just get the impression that BTG's games drip feed you small wins to meet their RTP before it pummels your balance and slams the door on you!

I can't recall having even had two quick succession bonus rounds on BTG games in the past 3-4 years. It takes thousands of spins before a bonus drops in again.
To counter that - I’ve had several quick succession bonuses on WWTBAM Megaways on many occasions over the last few months. I’m not a large stake or large deposit player - if I can get half an hour out of my tenner deposit, I’m a happy man.

I don’t think they’re compensated - I just think sometimes my luck is in, more often than not, it isn’t.
 

danofthewibble

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Why are you so fervent in your belief that this would simply not ever be possible with a UKGC-licensed casino?

I agree with @ChopleyIOM on this - if the UKGC regulated casinos were running bent games, one of them would’ve been fined for it by now.

Now, if nobody is reporting their suspicions that games are bent, that would reduce the likelihood of the UKGC finding out that a game is bent.

Equally, if those reports were investigated, and no problems were found, people would claim they’d been paid off ;)
 

goatwack

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I agree with @ChopleyIOM on this - if the UKGC regulated casinos were running bent games, one of them would’ve been fined for it by now.

Now, if nobody is reporting their suspicions that games are bent, that would reduce the likelihood of the UKGC finding out that a game is bent.

Equally, if those reports were investigated, and no problems were found, people would claim they’d been paid off ;)
I knew it. 'They' got to you as well!

Come on, how much have they paid you :p
 

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I agree with @ChopleyIOM on this - if the UKGC regulated casinos were running bent games, one of them would’ve been fined for it by now.

Now, if nobody is reporting their suspicions that games are bent, that would reduce the likelihood of the UKGC finding out that a game is bent.

Equally, if those reports were investigated, and no problems were found, people would claim they’d been paid off ;)

It's a bit like how we used to test women for being a witch. If they float..... WITCH, BURN HER! If they drown, not a witch, oh well, dead anyway.

The absence of evidence is being treated as proof that something fishy is going on, because THE SYSTEM would never let us know about it.
 

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So the casinos had an absolute dead cert where they were mathematically guaranteed to make money by running random games with a generous house edge, but by employing all sorts of cheats, trickery and cons, (which there is precisely zero evidence of), they've managed to devise a system where, erm, they also make money, and they're only risking multi-million pound fines, the loss of their operating licences, and potential criminal sanctions to do so.

Makes perfect sense!
Did you spend a few mins watching Lightning Roulette? No, I didn’t think so. Learn a little bit about the basics of physics, watch a couple of spins, and come back to comment. This of course assumes that you’ve ever seen a roulette wheel in a land based casino. The ball just doesn’t stop suddenly like it does in Lightning Roulette.

I’m not saying they are breaking any regulations, but they are tightly controlling the RTP of the game. How else could they offer 50x to 500x on random numbers each spin and keep within the advertised RTP of 97.3%? I’ve never ever played Lightning Roulette by the way and don’t intend too.

Slots, on the other hand, I personally have no beef with. I’ve never had any really suspicious experiences with them. I believe that online casinos cannot influence their expected outcomes beyond mis-advertising RTP as I’ve mentioned earlier.

EDIT: Here’s a video of a Lightning Roulette spin gone wrong. Physics like this simply do not exist on planet Earth.
 
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goatwack

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It's a bit like how we used to test women for being a witch. If they float..... WITCH, BURN HER! If they drown, not a witch, oh well, dead anyway.

The absence of evidence is being treated as proof that something fishy is going on, because THE SYSTEM would never let us know about it.
Terrific comparison there, truly

Must be great to place your unconditional trust in a company or product like that, without question. Even as in Snorky's case, where he's being shafted every which way, only to nonchalantly handwave away someone else's experiences like that. I wish I could be as submissive to these trusting companies!

And yet we are told to put up or shut up.....and so players will go along with that, playing games they've been told are fine, all to see that RTP even itself out. And if it happens to not do so, then one's told to not put one more cent through the game, as that would be stupid, right?

Guess I'd best get investing in that lube, things are gonna get bumpy! Because lord help the person that speaks out!

.....and should one have lost a shit-ton already, well, never mind eh. It's just the natural order of things!

Only in this industry I tell ya! :laugh:
 

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So the casinos had an absolute dead cert where they were mathematically guaranteed to make money by running random games with a generous house edge, but by employing all sorts of cheats, trickery and cons, (which there is precisely zero evidence of), they've managed to devise a system where, erm, they also make money, and they're only risking multi-million pound fines, the loss of their operating licences, and potential criminal sanctions to do so.

Makes perfect sense!
I know choppers please provide some evidence of any casinos being taken for legal action of the above, not fines, I doubt in this case you would ever find any at all.

Reason being every single online casino would be exposed that's why.

There is 100% something fishy going on.
 

danofthewibble

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I know choppers please provide some evidence of any casinos being taken for legal action of the above, not fines, I doubt in this case you would ever find any at all.

Reason being every single online casino would be exposed that's why.

There is 100% something fishy going on.

So you’re not playing at any casinos, right? Because if you’re playing rigged games, you know that’s silly, right?
 

Kroffe

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Not for running bent games though, it's always AML related, not protecting problem gamblers, not doing SOW properly and so on.

I can't think of a single instance where a UGKC casino has been done for running bent games.
'They broke rule A, and rule B, and boy do they like to break rule C, but they would never break rule D, because that one is sacred'

That could be how it is, or it could be that its super hard to prove that a slot is running 1-2% lower than advertised and thats why no casinos have been caught/fined for it. Are UKGC even performing checks to make sure slots are running at the advertised rtp?
I guess the only sensible thing is to blindly trust that the casinos do not break rule D until someone gets caught doing it.
 
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aceking123

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Here's the main problem & it's especially here at casinomeister.

If somebody dares to say something is fishy with online slots,there's lots of people who just disagree which us fine.

Problem is they get shit on, not believed & have to wear a tinfoil hat.

Just look at evolution roulette, again I would of liked to have seen his data over his account.

No different from slots, we know they're rigged because over time & the maths
Play the part, but it does not mean that the results on a individual account cannot be fudged to death.
 

danofthewibble

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Here's the main problem & it's especially here at casinomeister.

If somebody dares to say something is fishy with online slots,there's lots of people who just disagree which us fine.

Problem is they get shit on, not believed & have to wear a tinfoil hat.

Just look at evolution roulette, again I would of liked to have seen his data over his account.

No different from slots, we know they're rigged because over time & the maths
Play the part, but it does not mean that the results on a individual account cannot be fudged to death.

But again - why would they want to rig an individual account? What possible good could come from it? They’re already making money through letting that player play a game. Why rig one out of hundreds, and thousands of players?

I genuinely can’t think of a single good reason.

And it’s never people on a winning streak claiming the games feel “off”; it’s always the losers. Even when the losers were days earlier on a winning streak.

Humans always see patterns in things that aren’t there, and rarely complain when they’re happy, even if they “know” something isn’t “right” - if it’s in their favour, they’re happy.
 

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