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snorky510238

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I have some serious doubts about the legitimacy of VS. I do not play many games that are set at a lower rtp than I can obtain elsewhere. Yet about 18 months ago, I started noticing that my deposits weren’t lasting anywhere near as long as they used to.

I thought, perhaps it’s just bad luck but it just stayed that way. Then I started to notice it was getting progressively worse, if that was possible. Even when I had a win, it always seemed to be as if it was capped. I also hit my deposit limit 3 or 4 times in the past 12 months. Something which had never happened in the previous 6 years.

I have just come off the back of 50 odd consecutive losing deposits all at £15 a time. There were, iIrc, two occasions where my deposit went up to £50 and £70 respectively but I didn’t withdraw it. All the others went downhill fairly rapidly.

I mean, that’s some sort of bad luck, right. Well, I am not convinced it is. More than ever, I think games are cheating the player. Providers constructing games, whereby the rtp might be somewhere near advertised but is programmed in such a way that you might hit rtp but never achieve a withdraw-able balance.

To add some context to what I am saying, I checked the amount of money I have deposited at VS and when I have lost the majority.

In 7 and half years, I have lost £9,385.

What is remarkably noticeable is that, I am always careful with withdrawals and hardly ever play money back. My lifetime deposits are £47,330 and I don’t play with a set limit on deposits but more, play for a certain amount of time at whatever deposits are required, if that makes sense.

Yet in the first 6 years, I only needed to deposit half of the lifetime total, to achieve the same gameplay as the last 18 months and in the last 18 months, I have lost double the amount, I did in the first 6 years. How is that even remotely possible, unless something has drastically changed?

Well, the obvious answer is, it isn’t possible unless something underhanded is going on. My gameplay there has been utterly disgusting in that last 18 months but of course, with what had happened previously (decent gameplay/game time), you are led into thinking that at some point your luck will change and things will go back to normal.

This didn’t happen though and the opposite did happen, my deposits lasted for less and less time, the bigger wins completely disappeared and I arrived at this point where I just had to question the point of even bothering to play any longer.

Think what you will folks (and this doesn’t just apply to VS), all Casinos and providers are “at it”, but if you think, you’re being shafted, it’s because you are, in no uncertain terms.

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dionysus

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This isn't specifically directed toward you, but ANY member.
If you think or believe any casino is doing anything considered untoward, flag @Casinomeister or @maxd (Hell, they are both, nice, rational men, PM) so they can address it and take any actions required.
If you arent happy, and you think it's a *hit casino, sure, share....spread the love/dislike

But anyone STILL plays and flogs money into a casino thinks screws them over, is an utter idiot.
 

snorky510238

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*shrugs
Could be wrong (I am often).
But I'd guess theyve simply shit RTP (they purchase/lease the lowest available option) than anything shady is all.
If you arent having fun and you arent winning, play elsewhere.
Shrugs* Shows how much notice you take. At the start of the post, I clearly state, I have rarely played games with a lower rtp.
 

snorky510238

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*shrugs
Could be wrong (I am often).
But I'd guess theyve simply shit RTP (they purchase/lease the lowest available option) than anything shady is all.
If you arent having fun and you arent winning, play elsewhere.

*Shrugs.
Shows how much notice you take. At the start of the post, I clearly state, I have rarely played lower rtp versions.

*Shrugs again.
 

snorky510238

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Well, you are bitching for bitching sakes, and clearly lost and sunk more in
so...head? Hammering? Wall?
Anybody dares to post anything that doesn’t suit your agenda and you’re on it like a shot. Just trying to shoot it down without looking at the bigger picture.

I wouldn’t like to be in court with you on jury, jeez, talk about one dimensional thinking.
 

dionysus

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Anybody dares to post anything that doesn’t suit your agenda and you’re on it like a shot. Just trying to shoot it down without looking at the bigger picture.

I wouldn’t like to be in court with you on jury, jeez, talk about one dimensional thinking.
This is the @Casinomeister .com site not the wuvs and huggles site; dont start a new thread thinking you're going to get 'there, there, it's all good'. You invite discourse when you post, not agreements to your personal stance.
Some will agree, some won't.
I don't
If the site sucks, leave.
If you're losing thousands of dollars, don't play.
Simples.
 

snorky510238

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This is the @Casinomeister .com site not the wuvs and huggles site; dont start a new thread thinking you're going to get 'there, there, it's all good'. You invite discourse when you post, not agreements to your personal stance.
Some will agree, some won't.
I don't
If the site sucks, leave.
If you're losing thousands of dollars, don't play.
Simples.
You’re not bringing anything to the discussion though are you? Other than your totally one sided view. It’s quite obvious that if anyone dares to post something like this, they must be wrong, it can’t happen, the industry is squeaky clean.

I don’t see the need to post sarcasm either. Where did I say I need hugs and cuddles, ffs. If I wanted oohs and aahs and to be liked and loved, I’d have posted a picture of my dog.
 

PMKFRUITPRO

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What games are you playing now Snorks??

Just bonanza or other offerings? The high volly stuff (which most games are now trending towards) will ruin you quicker than games from years back. Mega quick if you don’t get those rare big hits.

Some of the older titles definitely turned money over in a kinder way than some of the newer awful releases.
 

snorky510238

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What games are you playing now Snorks??

Just bonanza or other offerings? The high volly stuff (which most games are now trending towards) will ruin you quicker than games from years back. Mega quick if you don’t get those rare big hits.

Some of the older titles definitely turned money over in a kinder way than some of the newer awful releases.
Various but not really HV games. BTG, mainly and I have tried some new games.
 

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So from my OP, you don’t see anything that would be a cause of concern for you? You would just accept that, as “it’s the way it goes”?
No, I accept VS will always opt for the lowest possible RTP offered, and simply find a new place to play with better offerings that suit my/your play-style
 

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out of polemic, (I am not a big fan of VS, but I haven't anything against them, I cannot even play there) here one of the questions may be:
-further to the TRTP settings, can also other parameters be modified ? (i.e. VARIANCE) ?

and I am very confused about this, since here on CM forum some eminent and prestigious members did answer that NO, it would be a big headache to do again all the tests for the reg markets; but on the other side on my market two operators admitted that the variance may be altered since it is not illegal.

so that, I am puzzled and confused.

@snorky510238 I think you should stop depositing and playing on casinos where you lost your confidence. I really can't get how you can enjoy your time is such a situation.
 

snorky510238

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That is why I posted because I have reached the stage, where I can no longer have any confidence in any Casino.

If you could see my gameplay for the last 6 months at all the Casinos I play, then you would see, the stark similarities.

This cannot be down to bad luck, it really can’t. I am not one to question things unless I have good reason to do so.

As for the variance being changed, I will absolutely guarantee you that Bonanza, DHV, Chilli and Millionaire, have all been altered.

Bonanza, to the degree where it’s unrecognisable from the original version. I used to have sessions on that, where I could regularly hit between 5 and 10 bonuses and come away with a decent win.

Now your lucky if you see one bonus in 1,000 spins and when you do it generally pays less than x100.

This is partly why I have posted this because I am done with online slotting. I am walking away from the turgid filthy industry that it has become.

It may not be anytime soon but one day the truth will come out about it all.
 

dionysus

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Ok
Granted, casinos are massively dropping RTP
They ARE opting for lower RTP offerimgs. They are filling pockets and giving less back.
You KNOW this.
You are AWARE of this.
You are.... WE all are. this is pretty much public knowledge, out there, in here.
So....
Stop playing or find casinos with better RTP
I dont get the OP
If you know....scout elsewhere, or dont play

This is NOT rocket science
 

sapit222

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For me it also feels like the game providers change the coding (how the game plays) on some games (all games?).
Maybe the TRTP is the same, maybe not.

I still try my old favorite games (Immortal Romance, Playboy, Game of Thrones, Deadwood etc) now and then, but they dont play the same way for me since a long time back. No, its probably not just bad luck. :p
 

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