then you misread it because it clearly shows me quoting colin yesterday at 6:56pm and you quoted me today at 942 am, way way past the poiint i could have edited my post (which also shows as unedited)
We should have an apology battle... See who can come up with the best / most stupid
not an advert granted, just here as far as I know
The changes they have implemented are like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut though in terms of how much extra profit they are creating for themselves. Below is why I say that.
Don't expect chat to be back any time soon as it seems patently obvious that they have had their tech guys adjust it recently to show more positions on the leader board which gives no room for the chat facility
This ^^^
Lol and not only that , when we see the new Frijj bottle we think hmm this seems smaller than normal... like chocolate bars have been shrinking for years and we know it because we can see it . How the fk are we supposed to know the rtp on a game has been lowered ? It looks exactly the same . Any session you can run at 50% or lower rtp anyway so you couldn't tell from playing in the short term at least . Ok , I am not in the habit of checking the help files EVERY time I play a game which Ive probably played a thousand times just in case the rtp has been suddenly lowered1. It depends on your attitude to your customers.
2. Whether the business in question considers it preferable to be up-front about it, or lets the customers find out themselves, creating a 16-pages and counting thread.
3. A least in the UK your bottle of Frijj has to tell you clearly on the label - it appears that in many countries they don't have to tell you anything at all - as a few have already pointed out here the game rules don't even show the RTP.
As far as that analogy goes - imagine it didn't tell you on the label, you drank the whole bottle and then found the amount printed on the inside of the bottom of it, visible when you held it up to the light.
What incentive does any casino have when they try to be upfront with something so internal as RTP settings and then get raked over the coals during the process? In a matter of a couple of days, this thread went from a legit and interesting inquiry that Nate made about the RTP changes (why and who else), but it devolved into accusations of scandalous and immoral Videoslots behavior. Really? Please hear me out.
You should have been playing in the early 2000s. 
Paranoia will destroy ya.
I've personally never seen it on their website; only Dan and Team VS here assuring members they always use the highest rtp option - i think the last time I saw this was last quarter 2018
too many postes to go back through but theres a team vs 2018 as well
I think you are referring to this post!!
I still haven't been able to clearly see a huge difference in my gameplay after now inspired by this topic, made few small deposits to VS. Of course, it's mathematical fact that lower RTP make games pay out less in total but as i guess most of the players, i don't really bother to check RTP and and find where is highest in Book of Dead and play there instead of place where i been playing and been happy with overall experience, payments, support, site no lagging etc...
If casinos introduce too much disadvantages to players, they probably then don't get them anymore, as business, they probably try find where is border that players still keep coming back and they make much profit as possible. Unfortunately we don't see such a bonuses like 10 years ago anymore
nope, already highlighted that one a couple pages back - cheers thoughI think you are referring to this post!!
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I guess I'm just brilliant with the CM search functions
P.S. BOTH the posts I have linked to were true at the time posted, so Dan never said anything untoward. He's left them anyway as you know.
Yes, that's what I said further down when I found the other link - they were correct at the time posted.
This thread goes to prove a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" experience.
I'm an oldtimer, and back in the day RTP settings were something that was rarely if ever posted or revealed in any way shape or form. As both players and industry folk, we used the land based casinos in Vegas as benchmarks i.e. "how did Vegas do it?" Try this - go to any Vegas casino and ask the floor manager for the RTPs for their games, and they will probably tell you to take a hike. I know - I've asked
So for the first ten years or so RTP settings were rarely published: RTG disclosed theirs through Casinomeister, Wagerworks published theirs online, and Microgaming kept theirs as a trade secret. As gamblers, we just kept to the adage "Know when to fold 'em. Know when to cash out." F*&% the RTP - you're going to lose anyway. Bail out when you win big because it will soon disappear.
Now with the new generation of gamblers, RTP is crucial for them because this will tell you which games are the losers and which are the winners.
Sorry, I am just trying to put this into perspective. We have two generations of online gamblers here.
Videoslots has always been transparent. When they first launched, they were the only casino that I can think of that published the RTP for ALL games - to include Microgaming. This was truly notable and praiseworthy, but it didn't stop seasoned players from playing at their competitors - knowing that the RTP was a mystery to them - as is now. This did not seem to bother anyone.
Fast forward to now: we have a regulated environment that is squeezing these casinos dry. You can forget getting "too good to be true" bonuses anymore unless you're playing in the grey jurisdictions that don't have the fees or penalties that the UKGC or even what Malta has. So you as a player are going to find these casinos to be a bit tighter. Decreasing the RTP is one way they can balance out their fees and promotions.
I am not trying to come across as an apologist but a realist. Those days of awesome bonusing are over. Take a look at here - Casinomeister. In the past four months, out of about 79 Accredited Casinos we have had about four special promotions from these casinos this year. The writing is on the wall folks.
And yeah, you ought to thank Videoslots for giving you a heads up that they were changing their RTPs for certain countries. From what I read it was a change of 1% (?), please correct me if I am wrong. How many casinos do you think may or may not be doing this - or have already without being upfront about it? Videoslots explained what they were doing - and this is a scam??
And their chat is shut down - so what? I'd probably shut it down too if I had made a statement about the change, and folks were jumping down my throat about it. If they said that they always had the highest RTP - well, that's great. You can tell your grandkids about that. Back in my day...
There are loads of great comments in this thread concerning casino math and RTP. Let us not be overly judgemental and lose sight of what this forum is all about - providing information that allows you to make smart decisions for yourself.
If you don't like Videoslots - don't play there/don't advertise for them. But don't harass them in this forum. You/we are better than this.
I love Videoslots but this was a sneaky action and it is not appreciated by myself.
Personally I am doing fine at VS and also I never or hardly play IGT, Red Tiger, Pragmatic as I simply do not like their slots.
PnG however I play a lot.
They are already quite challenging as it is so to lower the RTP on those slots or offer a lower RTP version is not nice.
That said BoD still shows as 96.21% while I live in Ireland.
How is that Videoslots?
, and it's now possible to close it if you don't want to read the gossip
Castielle
If something like a maximum cashout were to be added to their terms, then, would the same rules for letting players know still apply? Could they just post it in the news section or update the terms?.. NOBODY would advocate it... how is this different?
