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PMKFRUITPRO said:
1.2 million spins in 10 years???

Pfft I was putting that through bonanza every year!!

Part timer.
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I took a break of about four years in the middle of that (and about the same break from CM as well), so for actual active playing years you're actually talking more like six years. (Just checked my archives and yes, I was on a break from April 2014 to April 2018.)

If you average that out you're looking at around 17K spins per month at 3Dice when I'm actively playing, which in honesty sounds about right to me. And remember that up until the last 18 months or so, I was a very regular depositor and player at many other casinos too, it's only in the last 12-18 months I've basically gone exclusively 3Dice as the rest of the online casino landscape has gone to shit.

The 1.2m stats are purely from 3Dice, I'd expect my average monthly spin stats there to be in the region of 20-30K per month or so going forward, as that's the only place I play at now.
 
6HellsBells6 said:
Also, weather I am a full blown degen or not, Brings me to my play like this, if over a year I make 100 odd 30 to 50 euro deposits and maybe a few times I will get that up to 500 or 600 and on rare occasions over the 1k mark.

This is were my rational thinks, I'm hardly ever gonna get the chance to up my bets and push it too as far it will go.

But every time you reach a certain limit and it is like hitting a brick wall, no matter what game you play or strategy you try, you cannot get past a certain limit. And too me then that is were it pretty obvious Casinos have full control of player accounts.

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

And finally this is what I'm like on a session! :D

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I watched Scarface for the 1st time the other night :oops: ...what a film, very violent in places but an enthralling gangster epic.
 
Other than BTG slots and some Blueprint are there any slots still at full RTP at Videoslots/Mr Vegas?

Loaded up DOA to give a whirl as not played it in a long time, but thought I'd check the RTP.
I was expecting 94% not this, WTF!, where's the justification in reducing the RTP by 6.75% :mad:


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Greigssy said:
Other than BTG slots and some Blueprint are there any slots still at full RTP at Videoslots/Mr Vegas?

Loaded up DOA to give a whirl as not played it in a long time, but thought I'd check the RTP.
I was expecting 94% not this, WTF!, where's the justification in reducing the RTP by 6.75% :mad:


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Nope - Mr Vegas are all basement level, bar BTG etc on fixed RTP

Wouldn't bother with them - when they first came out they were giving out their random wheels quite often: few 200 quids but now you barely see 25% of what you were seeing.

Sort of like a cheap VS, if that's even possible.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Nope - Mr Vegas are all basement level, bar BTG etc on fixed RTP

Wouldn't bother with them - when they first came out they were giving out their random wheels quite often: few 200 quids but now you barely see 25% of what you were seeing.

Sort of like a cheap VS, if that's even possible.
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I don't think I've had a wheel at Mr Vegas none that I can remember anyway, but you don't see any loyalty anymore at casinos well except maybe some crypto's.

Just found that Push slots are at full RTP on Mr Vegas, although they don't have the full catalogue.
 
Greigssy said:
Other than BTG slots and some Blueprint are there any slots still at full RTP at Videoslots/Mr Vegas?

Loaded up DOA to give a whirl as not played it in a long time, but thought I'd check the RTP.
I was expecting 94% not this, WTF!, where's the justification in reducing the RTP by 6.75% :mad:


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if you got bonus offer 100% plus 150 free spins do one cashout will remove your bonus money from 100% than keep bonus from free spins and play with bonus
 
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I really dont want to get involved in this thread, and you'll hate me for saying this, but I'm a game that is as volatile as Bonanza is (in the feature) 45448 games is not really statistically insignificant. That said, assuming it's running at 96%, you are would way down the bottom end of where I would expect the range to be.

Generally, the bigger the max win, the bigger the volatility, the longer it takes to hit the correct RTP.
 
trancemonkey said:
I really dont want to get involved in this thread, and you'll hate me for saying this, but I'm a game that is as volatile as Bonanza is (in the feature) 45448 games is not really statistically insignificant. That said, assuming it's running at 96%, you are would way down the bottom end of where I would expect the range to be.

Generally, the bigger the max win, the bigger the volatility, the longer it takes to hit the correct RTP.
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That rules Bonanza out then, so it should therefore be quite quick to hit the correct RTP :p
 
Jono777 said:
Hard to explain over text and on a forum, I TOTALLY get where Snorky is coming from and sadly I think it will take an unblinkered seasoned player to see his point also.
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^^^ Couldn't agree more with this statement^^^

Call me crazy, i don't care what so ever. There's such things as noticing patterns, But a random result of each click of the mouse button. Is NOT what we are actually dealing with in my opinion. Anyone who's played for years and years knows what i mean. If you don't you haven't played long enough.

Major countries rig elections, And we cant trust our own governments.

Yet were meant to trust some dish cloth servers based in Malta???

Seems a bit naive to me. Just my 2 cents.

:)
 
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kou187 said:
^^^ Couldn't agree more with this statement^^^

Call me crazy, i don't care what so ever. There's such things as noticing patterns, But a random result of each click of the mouse button. Is NOT what we are actually dealing with in my opinion. Anyone who's played for years and years knows what i mean. If you don't you haven't played long enough.

Major countries rig elections, And we cant trust our own governments.

Yet were meant to trust some dish cloth servers based in Malta???

Seems a bit naive to me. Just my 2 cents.

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Absolutely spot on, there is no doubt whatsoever that the game has been chronically gimped.

I will be posting my stark contrasts in play, when I have time. The game is unrecognisable from 2 years ago. My stats will show beyond reasonable doubt that something major has changed.
 
Some more conspiracy (or is it) to add to the mix....

There seems nowadays also to be a "That's enough now lad" balance munching code built into the software.

Deposits are smaller and more infrequent than before but that said, I know what I see before my eyes.

Finally got a DoA sesh which lasted longer than 1/2 hour tonight, £20 in, 5OAK Hat, Boots, Glasses multiple times, feature were spread and not that often but when landing, close enough needing just one wild reel for extra 5 spins most times, one came but the wilds were not laid out well.

Had 4-5 spins at one point to land bottom of one for a W/L didn't come paid 250x, rescued me, next feature 20-30 spins later scatters 1-2-3-4-miss (can't recall how long its been but after 5-6 misses it would land, now well over 20 with this set up and all missed 5th reel)

Basically holding between £30-£40 for ages.

THEN

The code I describe kicked in, nope it did not cool off slowly, and drip feed the balance away, it went STONE COLD DEAD, no wins past reel 3, tease spins vanished no feature, nothing till bust and saw the lot off in less than 45 minutes.

At 9.15pm, I though "I'll be able to go to bed with £20 to play tomorrow" - Did not see this coming, 9p bets and It drank the lot super fast without mercy, calming slightly as I type this but that is one hell of a swing from the nice steady play I had all night, too much of a swing for it not to be written into the software and related to the amount of playtime it allowed me from the start!

Lads, we REALLY need to blow the lid well and truly off this crooked game. Bring back game coding from pre 2018, Awful!
 
Yep, here’s another thing that points to non random sessions. Your balance either goes down rapidly or on the odd occasion, goes up quite quickly. Basically it’s down without trace, 95% of the time and up about 5%.

With a truly random game, you should get greater swings and see your balance go up and down, a lot more than you do and the codes have definitely been programmed to make you lose your money much more quickly.
 
I recently had a similar experience on a blueprint 96% megaways game, admittedly I had 3 decent bonuses and a good base game hit prior, but I don't expect a fully random game to go all out feral just because you've won something, literally you have no time to consider the balance, you start telling yourself no it can't just give out the sum total of 2x your stake in 50 spins, 'it's got to turn around and do more, it's random'
 
It's it bad that I just kind of like watching you all get conspiratorial over games while stating "random games should never behave like this".... Of course they can behave like that simply BECAUSE they are random. If I get chance later today, I'll try and show you stats from a game I'm working on... Just a graph of the kind of sessions you see from random games (don't worry, no company secrets, and I obviously can't name the game). You would be very surprised to see that they absolutely can do all the things you think should never be able to happen
 
I posted some stats from 3Dice a couple of pages back, you've seen some of the swings I've had there, admittedly in some cases of rather small spin samples such as around 10K, but there was one game running at 110% RTP after nearly 10K spins, and a really low volatility one that was 10% under RTP after the same.

Once in a while my old faithful Enchanted Spins will go absolutely and completely feral, and wipe me out even on my EV+ VIP bonus offers, anyone who didn't know better would swear that 3Dice have switched it to a 'different version' or that it was 'deliberately taking my winnings back'.

But sheesh, you don't have to listen to me, just listen to trancemonkey WHO CODES THESE THINGS FOR A LIVING, or all the stuff from Enzo I linked where he explains how this stuff functions, a guy who literally built his own casino.

Good god almighty like NetEnt are going to waste the time and development effort to deviously pinch Jono's £20 deposit he plays on DoA at 9p spins, when all they need to do is sit back and wait and the inbuilt house edge will do exactly the same thing anyway.

Just stop playing, please, for the sake of everyone's sanity. If you believe that the games are doing this stuff to you then they are cheating you, and to knowingly continue to deposit to play a game that you honestly think has been deliberately coded and changed to specifically cheat you is batshit.
 
trancemonkey said:
I really dont want to get involved in this thread, and you'll hate me for saying this, but I'm a game that is as volatile as Bonanza is (in the feature) 45448 games is not really statistically insignificant. That said, assuming it's running at 96%, you are would way down the bottom end of where I would expect the range to be.

Generally, the bigger the max win, the bigger the volatility, the longer it takes to hit the correct RTP.
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bonanza is NOT volatile!!!! biggest misconception EVER
 
kennygamerboy said:
bonanza is NOT volatile!!!! biggest misconception EVER
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This has been talked about before by @dunover here - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 792 - Casinomeister Forum

And as I summarised here - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 793 - Casinomeister Forum

And this comment I made earlier in the thread - For me personally, and based on comments from other folks, including @dunover for example who has extensive experience with the game, I still think it's more likely that Bonanza just has some sort of evil genius maths profile that is exceptionally good at draining balances, we already know for a fact it has a huge amount of RTP in the base game, and a very rare feature trigger with an unusually high average pay (1/460 @ 96x or something utterly fucking batshit like that? That stat alone is going to generate some really bizarre shit depending on where you land on the curve).

I still think, even after all this time, that some people underestimate what the 1/460 feature frequency can cause to happen, that's a really unusual number.
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
Record post from chops there.

6 words in before 3 Dice was mentioned.

That’s the longest it’s ever been.
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Standards have to be maintained!
 
It's the timing, bonanza is the worst, the pattern of base game after say a 20x win is markedly distinct every time, lose, lose lose etc...

It wouldn't surprise me if that win 'event' triggers a reel set change with worse odds for win frequency, still technically random, which for ukgc is no two consecutive spins should result in the same symbols landing in the same places iirc
 
kennygamerboy said:
bonanza is NOT volatile!!!! biggest misconception EVER
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Must admit, agree with that: Relax, NLC offer volatile games: Bonanza's probably more of the lower end of Medium- ish game IMO.

One 16000x win in 6 years doesn't strike me as a volatile benchmark :laugh:
 
pinnit2014 said:
Must admit, agree with that: Relax, NLC offer volatile games: Bonanza's probably more of the lower end of Medium- ish game IMO.

One 16000x win in 6 years doesn't strike me as a volatile benchmark :laugh:
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Volatility isn't just max pay though.

PnG's Multifruit81 is quite famously a pretty volatile game, despite having a max pay of (IIRC) 1000x.

Or even something like NetEnt's Twin Spin, again a fairly low max pay, 1080x from memory on this one, but pegged at medium-high volatility.

In both cases a lot of the RTP is loaded into wins of hundreds of times stake, and if you don't hit one of those, they can be pretty brutal.

I'd agree with your overall analysis though, and would say Bonanza is probably medium volatility, maybe medium-high, it depends what the feature frequency is doing, get on the wrong end of that 1/460 feature frequency, and even with its famous churn in the base game, it can still do a lot of damage.
 
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Well, if it's not that then what is it? The ability to change rapidly? - well, on that, i agree, as per Mack's comments: hit a 20x and boom, snookered for the next X spins

Like many on here probably we assume that it equates, in layman's terms to: you gotta suffer a lot of 10x's to get to the Holy Grail: in Bonanza's terms that's 500x, in Relax terms that's 20000x
 
So here's another one to put into the 'relatively small top prize but really weird volatility profile' camp, it's WIXX by NLC. They tag it as Medium Volatility but the way it meets RTP, and its volatility profile, is really weird.

The max pay on this game is 2796x stake, as per the stat sheet in the affiliate pack.

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I've put many tens of thousands of spins through Wixx this week on the NLC affiliate site, I was WFH so had one of my spare PCs just churning through this for eight or more hours every day on autoplay.

I have played Wixx a reasonable amount for real in the past, but it was only after doing all those spins that I realised there is basically only one way to win on this game, and if you don't get the specific 'super feature' trigger, you will never win.

Results will vary depending on how long it takes to get the trigger, but I've seen my balance go down by as much as 1700x before getting it, I cannot stress this enough, if you don't get the trigger, your balance will only go one in direction, relentlessly down. (I'm not saying the game doesn't have other wins in it, of course it does, but for a big hit, this is the only show in town.)

Normal features are triggered by getting four of the same coloured gem on each of the reels, the colours are blue, red and yellow. When this happens you go off into a single super respin with enhanced reels (each colour of gem has its own modifier for the super respin), but the max possible pays on each of these is kind of capped by the fact you only have one modifier in play.

The way to get the juicy pays is to get TWO of the same gems on each of the reels, specifically the red and yellow gems, because then you get a respin with both of their modifiers in effect, the yellow gems confer a 5x multiplier, and the red gems act as wilds, this means you can get full screens of gems that pay wild and 5x - you can wait a LONG time for this trigger to happen. (Theoretically just the yellow gems could hit the same full 5x screens on the respin, but you'd need godlike luck for that to happen (I didn't see it once), I reckon you need the wilds in there too.)

So basically, this is the trigger, this is a still from a video on my old channel, as this was a real money hit I had playing at Skol. You can see the red and yellows on 1-2-4, the diamond on 3 is a wild and substitutes for both gems.

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This is how it landed on the respin, it's not perfect, as you can see I have two yellows and a blue on reel 2 which pay less than the reds, if that had been three reds on reel 2, it would have been the top pay on game, as it was however, it represented a (still very good!) 1291x stake.

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My point here is that this is the only show in town when it comes to winning on this game, certainly in terms of hitting a big win, and it's the only way to get out of the hole once you're maybe 200x or more down.

If you didn't know this trigger was in there and hadn't seen it, you might genuinely conclude the game was essentially impossible to win on and would never meet RTP. It's a really weird way to balance a game, time and time again during my test sessions, it was only this specific trigger that could pull a balance back once it'd gone south. if you don't get this, you're going to lose, and potentially quite heavily. Obviously if you get it relatively early on in a session (as I did at Skol), you can bag yourself a solid win.

I'm entirely content that the game makes RTP, but if you decide to have a dabble yourself, don't be deceived by the stated medium volatility and relatively low top prize of under 3000x, if you don't get that super trigger, this game will take you to pieces.
 
Push Gaming have started adding more information and a bit more transparency about their slots.

Nice to know the actual odds of hitting the max pay on this slot, which seems low in comparison to the odds for some Play'n'Go slots where max pays are in the billions to one.
Although playing this slot (Mad Cars) the odds of hitting over 20xbet are in the hundreds to one it seems.

But I find it a bit alarming to know the the maximum pay of the slot can be capped unbeknown to the player, would a casino actually reveal what cap they have configured, that should be stated in the game info surely!

I know DoA2 has been capped to x10k and some sites but do other software providers do this, is this the reason we don't see a lot of the max wins of slots out there, like above 6000x on Bonanza?

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Greigssy said:
Push Gaming have started adding more information and a bit more transparency about their slots.

Nice to know the actual odds of hitting the max pay on this slot, which seems low in comparison to the odds for some Play'n'Go slots where max pays are in the billions to one.
Although playing this slot (Mad Cars) the odds of hitting over 20xbet are in the hundreds to one it seems.

But I find it a bit alarming to know the the maximum pay of the slot can be capped unbeknown to the player, would a casino actually reveal what cap they have configured, that should be stated in the game info surely!

I know DoA2 has been capped to x10k and some sites but do other software providers do this, is this the reason we don't see a lot of the max wins of slots out there, like above 6000x on Bonanza?

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One can scarcely even begin to imagine the carnage of asking CS about that one....
 
I thought I would just bump this thread because the title is already spot on for the post. This is just highlighting what an absolute shithole of a Casino @Videoslotsnotificationacc has become.

Long story short, this thread was started because I had an incredibly bad run there that you couldn’t put down to bad luck. Lo and behold, I eventually got a win on the about the ninetieth deposit that gave me about 50% of my losses back.

Thinking my luck will turn as it couldn’t never produce another run like that…..and guess what? I was right, it actually produced one that was worse. Deposit after deposit being ripped up quicker than you could throw it down the drain.

I got to the point where I’d had enough so I went to live chat with the intention of closing the account but when I said my gameplay is disgusting, the operator says do you want me to ask if you can have a bonus.

I have never asked for a bonus or anything free ever, in all my days of online gambling. I never really felt like I was entitled to ask as I always felt returns seemed fair in the main. On this occasion though, I had lost so much there, that I became literally afraid to deposit for fear of what would happen so I said yes.

I had deposited 11k and lost 6k at this point for the year, a shocking loss in itself pro-rata. The operator said I would be notified by email once the appropriate person (I assume manager) had been asked.

A couple of days passed and I had heard nothing so I contacted live chat again and asked if a decision had been made. Yes was the reply, they decided not to give you any bonus. Well, I wasn’t taking it for granted that I would get one but after making multiple deposits virtually every day for 6 years, I thought I might have got 5 free spins to value of 10p or something, I mean, I wouldn’t want to break them,

For me that is simply disgusting and disrespectful. The fact I was told I would receive notification by email once a decision was reached but received nothing is just bad etiquette on their part.

With this in mind, I wholeheartedly nominate Videoslots as the Scumbag Casino of the year.
 
snorky510238 said:
I thought I would just bump this thread because the title is already spot on for the post. This is just highlighting what an absolute shithole of a Casino @Videoslotsnotificationacc has become.

Long story short, this thread was started because I had an incredibly bad run there that you couldn’t put down to bad luck. Lo and behold, I eventually got a win on the about the ninetieth deposit that gave me about 50% of my losses back.

Thinking my luck will turn as it couldn’t never produce another run like that…..and guess what? I was right, it actually produced one that was worse. Deposit after deposit being ripped up quicker than you could throw it down the drain.
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Just out of curiosity - how often are you playing with straight funds? Funds not connected to bonus play?
 
Videoslots do not offer much in the way of wagering based bonuses of any description so I can back up what Snorky is saying without really needing any other information.

It is pretty much the reason I switched to this casino as my only place I play when turning from a regular bonuses user to a strictly cash player only a few years back now.
 
VS never were the bonussing type, and that was fine, as that wasn't what I considered their 'best' attribute.

Even during the time when bonuses were commonplace, and you couldn't swing a cat because casinos foisted them upon the player on the daily, VS' reloads would be more infrequent, but certainly worth partaking in. Who here didn't like the flyers they used to send out with 100 spins on a plethora of games, for a £20 deposit? With wager-free winnings? It was a lowroller's dream!

But there has always been a contrariety between their Chat and regular Customer Service. In this case, the Chat rep may have been a smite overzealous in their approach to 'ask' for a bonus to keep ol' Snorky retained, yet chances are they may not have even known themselves that that's not really what VS do.

There's every chance VS'd rather have given a redeemable FS chip, or you know, cut the Snorkinator loose and thought "Screw that bozo" :p
 
Funny how your preferences change - for a while i liked the idea of wager free spins/rewards. But in my last 2-3 years i migrated to: give me a chunky 100% match up, stick 50x wagering on it (not fussed): based mainly on the fact i couldn't be arsed getting carpal tunnel for £2.34 and would rather take a punt on the higher stakes, knowing one good bonus could put you on course to meeting it.
 
Had to register here and share thoughs as I was searching if somebody has faced same kind of feelings about playing VS. Years of gambling I have never felt so disappointed to any casino and never has ride been so rough at my last months on VS. Incredibly slow RTP's, and nothing customer-friendly bonuses or free frounds, etc. given.

Games real RTP is something that I have never faced on casinos before, I am used to lose money but not this way. Games are not giving anything, just rolling empty and they are not random. For example, in one session I deposited 1300(2-3 deposits), and nearby the end of cash, it gave me money back - which was just almost what I had deposited. Then changed to 2-3 different games, nothing, just nothing and almost empty yet again. Went to first game, repeated the win and after changing the game, and other games down with no wins, no bonuses. Some games are clearly made to on/off mode, for example one game has theoretical RTP 96,1% and from 1700 spins I have had no bonuses or big wins.

RTP's are lifted by big hits, when them comes, or now, dont come. I must play one single game for months and lose and boom - one hit that lifts RTP but dont give any really good and after that customer service can say "but i noticed you have that win so games are working just right". And those wins are returning what could have been normal from session to session few years ago. After this loosing rollercoaster my maximum RTP is in single game 88%, all others are way below that. I could believe this if had some huge major hits, but I don't have had any and that's why I have kept playing on VS, believing for luck and fact that RTP will correct itself back to normal.

Yet surprising is the RTP on some games, when it stays from session to session at the exactly same. I may have 3-5 different sessions, different bets but exacly just same, by decimal.

When I get wheel of jackpot or something else, I may win 5-10 spins for 0,2cents. Related to my losses, this is just punching customer to face. I may have felt disappointed to some casinos after losses but this is something way different.
 
snorky510238 said:
I thought I would just bump this thread because the title is already spot on for the post. This is just highlighting what an absolute shithole of a Casino @Videoslotsnotificationacc has become.

Long story short, this thread was started because I had an incredibly bad run there that you couldn’t put down to bad luck. Lo and behold, I eventually got a win on the about the ninetieth deposit that gave me about 50% of my losses back.

Thinking my luck will turn as it couldn’t never produce another run like that…..and guess what? I was right, it actually produced one that was worse. Deposit after deposit being ripped up quicker than you could throw it down the drain.

I got to the point where I’d had enough so I went to live chat with the intention of closing the account but when I said my gameplay is disgusting, the operator says do you want me to ask if you can have a bonus.

I have never asked for a bonus or anything free ever, in all my days of online gambling. I never really felt like I was entitled to ask as I always felt returns seemed fair in the main. On this occasion though, I had lost so much there, that I became literally afraid to deposit for fear of what would happen so I said yes.

I had deposited 11k and lost 6k at this point for the year, a shocking loss in itself pro-rata. The operator said I would be notified by email once the appropriate person (I assume manager) had been asked.

A couple of days passed and I had heard nothing so I contacted live chat again and asked if a decision had been made. Yes was the reply, they decided not to give you any bonus. Well, I wasn’t taking it for granted that I would get one but after making multiple deposits virtually every day for 6 years, I thought I might have got 5 free spins to value of 10p or something, I mean, I wouldn’t want to break them,

For me that is simply disgusting and disrespectful. The fact I was told I would receive notification by email once a decision was reached but received nothing is just bad etiquette on their part.

With this in mind, I wholeheartedly nominate Videoslots as the Scumbag Casino of the year.
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