New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[goatwack]

Yeah Snorky, you fantasist! Stop it!

I just can't believe I saw my mouse pointer reveal to me how many posts I'd contributed here, as it hovered near the Bonanza thread. About 1600! That's like......30 percent!

Many insightful takes too. I'd say about 20 were positive about the game, and the rest proving how bent it is. We've been onto Bonanza for a long time now. it won't fool us *

 

[snorky510238]

So Fruitpro, what made you start posting negativity about Bonanza? You had played it from day one. Absolutely hammered it, just like me. Don’t remember a moan from you until about the same time as all the hardened players noticed the same thing.

You absolutely loved the game but then had to quit for your own sanity. Was it a build up from day 1 or did the last 6 months cripple you?

As for the @Team.Videoslots thing. By all means feel free to post all my deposits, losses and gameplay regarding Bonanza. I would appreciate a specific breakdown with nothing left out.

In fact, you can even print a chart of my deposits and withdrawals with a month by month breakdown from day 1. I would appreciate it very much if you would do that for me please.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Tbf any next gen version is now bent.

BTG changed the code to cascade chance is equivalent to feature awarded.

You try getting one!!!!

 

[goatwack]

I thought Bonanza was the same as it ever was, and the maths untouched? So has it been tampered with, after all? There are different 'versions'? Or is this just feelings talking again?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

So Fruitpro, what made you start posting negativity about Bonanza? You had played it from day one. Absolutely hammered it, just like me. Don’t remember a moan from you until about the same time as all the hardened players noticed the same thing.

You absolutely loved the game but then had to quit for your own sanity. Was it a build up from day 1 or did the last 6 months cripple you?

As for the @Team.Videoslots thing. By all means feel free to post all my deposits, losses and gameplay regarding Bonanza. I would appreciate a specific breakdown with nothing left out.

In fact, you can even print a chart of my deposits and withdrawals with a month by month breakdown from day 1. I would appreciate it very much if you would do that for me please.

Are you serious?????

When you were posting screen shot after screen shot of all ur great raises I was questioning how the fuck you were running so well!!! It’s ALWAYS been in the game to fuck u over with 500x stake for a feature for a 10x. I posted enough experiences about that numerous times!!

Like I say I couldn’t give 2 shits anymore about the game. But if ur gonna cry wolf then back it up. Post the evidence as otherwise it’s pointless.

Get on videoslots live chat and ask for your lifetime RTP and screen shot it. Then post it.

If ur at 90% after a million spins then we can say that’s a bit harsh. But I bet you won’t be.

Your small sample at sky had you over RTP but they were lying of course!!

Get on chats to all your casinos ask for stats and post them.

Then people will take your accusations seriously. Until then no point discussing further.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I knew there are different versions of the game ftom day one. But a different version doesn’t mean it’s bent or doesn’t make RTP.

Any seaside arcade will be running different version numbers of 100’s of random games.

Doesn’t make any one of them bent.

Jeez.

Nobody had posted more spins on the non scatter sky version than me and I was in the 96% region. And I have proof of my stats. All money in money out, everything I’ve ever wagered.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

U also didn’t address my Dazza point???

How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Assuming snorky has an active account at VS he can pull his own stats, just go into the My RTP section, type in Bonanza's name, search for it, and then set the dates you want it to pull the data for to a date before the game was released, up to today, as I did on the screenshot a few posts back.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yeah but it can sit there whirring away for an age if you’ve span a lot

 

[Jono777]

Well as I said yesterday snorky, I've been reading (and occasionally posting to) this thread for years now, and I've been around on CM for over ten years, so I've seen a lot of this sort of stuff come and go in that time.

There are literally hundreds of pages of this thread where you've been variously accusing BTG of doing all sorts of nefarious stuff to Bonanza, and have never presented one single iota of proof for any of it.

As @paul7388 noted here - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 789 - Casinomeister Forum

There were people making pretty much exactly the same sort of complaints about Bonanza within weeks or months of its launch, as you're making now. The Bonanza they're describing, five and a half years ago, is the Bonanza you are insisting it's changed into at some point.

Maybe it's just possible that a slot with as complex a maths model as Bonanza, is simply capable of insanely long play cycles that might 'feel' good or bad, but are all within the bounds of what the maths can legitimately produce?

Or maybe BTG have changed it, I don't know, but ultimately as long as the game is certified and it meets RTP, it doesn't make any difference anyway, and you tearing your hair out over it, as deposit after deposit after deposit disappears down the drain, won't change that.

If you believe you've got a legitimate complaint about it and can prove your assertions, then hey, go for it, I wish you good luck, but ultimately I think, based on my own experiences and knowledge (which I am not claiming is encyclopaedic) - that it will go nowhere.

Although without proof, this part for me is where the industry and developers have free range to do what they pretty much want to, whether they do/did or plan to, again no proof but experience and time served tells me if I were up to no good, this is my loophole.

Games get released, played. tested, all is great, later down the line, regular player base, hooked players etc etc, lets make even MORE money, change the math, reduce the RTP do what we want......

Some argue If a game is changed it has to be recertified, tested etc, yes that rule is there in paper but I would bet my bollocks this does not happen and if it did, would be the bare minimum and certainly where the back scratching and brown envelopes come in to play.....

 

[snorky510238]

Assuming snorky has an active account at VS he can pull his own stats, just go into the My RTP section, type in Bonanza's name, search for it, and then set the dates you want it to pull the data for to a date before the game was released, up to today, as I did on the screenshot a few posts back.

I have tried that and as Fruitpro says it takes forever, It logs you out due to inactivity before getting a result. If you go short, you get a result but obviously a skewed one.

Mine since April.

 

[Jono777]

U also didn’t address my Dazza point???

How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????

Thought we answered this one years back Affiliate RTP! - They get yet another version to the one played by us mere mortals!

 

[snorky510238]

U also didn’t address my Dazza point???

How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????

Because it’s compensating him, he still admits himself to being down over 5 figures so he still has a long way to go. @dunover have you got you’re lifetime rtp?

 

[goatwack]

I have tried that and as Fruitpro says it takes forever, It logs you out due to inactivity before getting a result. If you go short, you get a result but obviously a skewed one.

Mine since April.

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You sneaky bugger. Kept those two peaks quiet, didn't you?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have tried that and as Fruitpro says it takes forever, It logs you out due to inactivity before getting a result. If you go short, you get a result but obviously a skewed one.

Mine since April.

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Well what's the biggest slice it'll work for? It wouldn't take that long to search in six month blocks and just aggregate them all.

 

[snorky510238]

U also didn’t address my Dazza point???

How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????

What about your own rtp? If it was bang on at SKY, where did it shaft you? William Hill, Ladbrokes?

 

[snorky510238]

Well what's the biggest slice it'll work for? It wouldn't take that long to search in six month blocks and just aggregate them all.

Why have you got such an interest? It feels like I am being judged by all and sundry here.

And for your information, it’s the “Hunting of the Snark”. Not the ;-:-ing Snork.

 

[pinnit2014]

If Bonanza can read: I have never doubted your majesty

 

[snorky510238]

You sneaky bugger. Kept those two peaks quiet, didn't you?

Imagine where I would have been without them.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Why have you got such an interest? It feels like I am being judged by all and sundry here.

And for your information, it’s the “Hunting of the Snark”. Not the ;-:-ing Snork.

Because it's the single most important piece of information in this entire saga, if you're basically at or around T-RTP, then everything else is just white noise.

 

[goatwack]

So was the Golden Hour ever real? Or was that a lie too?

 

[dunover]

U also didn’t address my Dazza point???

How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????

Lol...I retrieved the previous year's losses, gradually. That wasn't my best ever run, that took place at Casumo in my old euro account there, made 12-13k euros in a few weeks. Sky Vegas was a disaster for me, I had 94% stats from Bonanza during my total time there, and an incredibly bad 90% on Starclusters. So over the last 2 years, before I ran out of UKGC casinos, I finished about par on it, what I consider to be extremely fortunate. I actually checked bank statements a couple of weeks ago, as I can go back 6 years until when I first played it. It's difficult to be exact, because I lost on The Rapist and Twin Spin etc. too, but based on the assumption I played 80% of my time on Bonanza my net losses over that period are worse than I actually thought, approx 24k and over 30k overall including the sessions I played other slots.

Considering the vast turnover I had on it, I would say my RTP was actually around 95%, it's hard to be accurate. So not great, but not as depressing as if it had been say 92% as that would have made that 24k well over 50k.

Having now had well over a month off of it, I can't say I miss the game or gambling at all for that matter. The game isn't 'bent' but simply has awful RTP distribution due to the high variance and unlike other HV slots, it doesn't seem to make up swings in consistent play. I bet if I had chosen DoA or DoA2 for that period and amount of spins, I would have had numerous wildlines and wins over 5000x on the former, or even 30-40000x on the latter. Just by sheer weight of numbers. And that's the only thing that gets me regarding Bonanza - how daft I was chasing the rainbow of the 'potential' 10k x in the feature when in reality all I got was a third of that twice and a quarter once. And never saw an 8+-scatter trigger, only once got 1000x in the base game. If nothing else, the Bonanza slot is the master of illusion and irrational hopes and expectation. The 'psych-ops' of online slotting.

Looking back, the final year I had on it was my luckiest ever and I am surprised and even grateful it occurred, as it made what would have been a very painful 5-year net loss of nearly 40k into a more bearable, albeit still dreadful one of around 24k. So I am glad I cut my losses, literally and have no plans to return to it even if I can find a new UKGC site or crapto one, if they have the game.

One final word of advice - if you are well down like me, and are enduring a sub-par RTP in the medium term, remove all optimism and expectation from your mindset - you'll NEVER retrieve the situation and that statement carries more weight and reality the longer you've been playing the game.

 

[goatwack]

So by all accounts then, were the likes of Evolution/ BTG to intentionally lower the RTP through one of their many stealth 'updates', and the player experiences the worst sub-RTP in existence over say 100,000 spins, it can be simply shrugged off as the game's variance?

So ultimately they have the final say on what's occurring, and have no reason to be pulled up anything, ever. Because.....how dare one question them?

I see.....

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

What about your own rtp? If it was bang on at SKY, where did it shaft you? William Hill, Ladbrokes?

Sky was where I’d played most.

VS is slightly over but only about 40k or was it 100k (I can’t remember)spins there if I recall. Once they started lowering RTP on a few other games I liked it was pointless depositing. I couldn’t give 2 shits about trophies or points or battles or anything like that.

Hills bent me over and fucked me so bad for ages. Luckily a fair chunk of That was when they were offering huge bonuses with small wagering on any game u liked, so 50% of it was there money not mine but man was it awful. A large chunk of That was made back when they were offering 100% match up to £200 on black Jack with 10x wager. After a while bonanza levelled out thanks to a lucky couple of bonuses. I’d guess I was below RTP there but not by much.

Unibent has never delivered for me on any game what so ever just one of those places where I couldn’t win a coin. I will say tho, that once they switched platforms it was horrific but again a small sample.

The GVC sites were again a mixed bag but overall I couldn’t complain and now I’m bonus banned so won’t be giving them a coin again regardless.

Towards the end, my game play was absolutely shocking no matter where I played. But this wasn’t a 12 month period it was about 3 months no matter what I did I was getting mauled so I called it a day.

Now I will only play with left over balances off sports betting and free shit. Obv any lucky 15’s or accas that produce the goods I’m happy to withdraw the bulk and punt the rest. In my limited time with this I couldn’t say yay or nay to any skullduggery going on.

It fucked me over most on the next gen versions. I reported on numerous occasions I could barely get a cascade let alone a feature. Straight in features???? Forget it.

Like j I say I’m not on any side here. But if I genuinely felt like you did about Random games in general I wouldn’t even entertain a deposit. Why would I??

 

[pinnit2014]

Unibet's one of the sites i played at it a lot and inline with PMK actually, the change from platforms has been pretty obvious in terms of play and before anyone comes at me with a shotgun, i've neither the time, nor inclination to review the stats pre and post - just my view ) I went from, yes i went down but it normally had a barnstormer X wise in there to pull me out to 95% back of losses. Since the change in platform - unmitigating misery on there.

I think i went from being 300 quid up there in late 2020 to being about, just checked, 6500 down (on Bonanza alone i'd hazard a guess)