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[bebo67]

Over only 62k of spins, Your RTP is meaningless.

Do you need me show more?

 

[Gaz237]

Can you explain?

RTP is worked out over billions of spins.

Your 62k of spins is a much to small of a sample size to use as an example of a games RTP. It could just as easily be 120% over that amount of spins.

 

[bebo67]

RTP is worked out over billions of spins.

Your 62k of spins is a much to small of a sample size to use as an example of a games RTP. It could just as easily be 120% over that amount of spins.

Ok. Now I understand. My last big win was last October on this game, so would October last year until now be enough?

 

[Gaz237]

Ok. Now I understand. My last big win was last October on this game, so would October last year until now be enough?

The more spins you do, the closer to RTP you should be (in theory)

But again were talking a lot more spins than you have ever, or could ever do in your life time.

To be honest your RTP of 89% is not that far off the mark.

I have games with 50k of spins and a much much lower RTP

 

[bebo67]

The more spins you do, the closer to RTP you should be (in theory)

But again were talking a lot more spins than you have ever, or could ever do in your life time.

To be honest your RTP of 89% is not that far off the mark.

I have games with 50k of spins and a much much lower RTP

So the point is. RTP means diddly squat? I did October till now.

90.84%
My RTP

6.34 / 10
Hit Rate

89372
That one was my last big win of 1k

 

[Gaz237]

So the point is. RTP means diddly squat? I did October till now.

90.84%
My RTP

6.34 / 10
Hit Rate

89372
That one was my last big win of 1k

RTP means that is the expected return to the player.

That figure was obtained when the game was tested so does mean something.

But the game would of been tested over billions upon billions of spins to find out what the expected RTP will be.

Going by your figures 62k spins and 89% RTP. Then 89k spins 90.84%. Shows that over a bigger sample size, you are getter closer to what the published RTP is.

Saying that , you may never ever reach whatever the published RTP is, while others may have been at over 100% since day one.

So there's no point pumping money in thinking I will eventually reach RTP

 

[bebo67]

RTP means that is the expected return to the player.

That figure was obtained when the game was tested so does mean something.

But the game would of been tested over billions upon billions of spins to find out what the expected RTP will be.

Going by your figures 62k spins and 89% RTP. Then 89k spins 90.84%. Shows that over a bigger sample size, you are getter closer to what the published RTP is.

Saying that , you may never ever reach whatever the published RTP is, while others may have been at over 100% since day one.

So there's no point pumping money in thinking I will eventually reach RTP

How does it determine who will go over and who will never reach? Or is it just random and that is why at another casino it could be different results? Sorry for so many questions.

 

[goatwack]

Well.....Gaz did ask for it

 

[Tirilej]

How does it determine who will go over and who will never reach? Or is it just random and that is why at another casino it could be different results? Sorry for so many questions.

I think you should read Trancemonkey's thread from the start. You will get most of your questions answered over and over again, and in the end I think you too will understand how it works.
It's much more fun to play without having that bitter fear of everything being rigged all the time, and you can start to enjoy each session instead.

 

[Lincolnuk]

Funny how we always mention so many spins. If that is the case then im afraid the current guys need to step down. I can tell you first hand from the know that in my time if games was not running +/-6% of there Rtp after 450k spins then it was time to pop bonnet

 

[bebo67]

I think you should read Trancemonkey's thread from the start. You will get most of your questions answered over and over again, and in the end I think you too will understand how it works.
It's much more fun to play without having that bitter fear of everything being rigged all the time, and you can start to enjoy each session instead.

I will. Thanks. Is there a link?

 

[bebo67]

Funny how we always mention so many spins. If that is the case then im afraid the current guys need to step down. I can tell you first hand from the know that in my time if games was not running +/-6% of there Rtp after 450k spins then it was time to pop bonnet

Okkkkkk. Now Im getting confused! Ughhh. Supper time, I think

 

[Tirilej]

I will. Thanks. Is there a link?

Here it is Ask me anything (about slots)!
You always have google too. You can find it explained in many ways at many places.

 

[bebo67]

Well.....Gaz did ask for it

Lol. I actually did a snort laugh! Half nervous. He scares me.

 

[bebo67]

Here it is Ask me anything (about slots)!
You always have google too. You can find it explained in many ways at many places.

I tried google and there is so many theory's

 

[Tirilej]

I tried google and there is so many theory's

No, it's not theory's. It's different explanations on the same subject. Read his thread here instead. You need to learn so much more than what RTP is.

 

[goatwack]

RTP is thoroughly tested over billions of spins, using sophisticated software, no guesswork needed

 

[Mr Wild]

Okkkkkk. Now Im getting confused! Ughhh. Supper time, I think

Its quite simple. Its not return to player, its return to players.

If you start with $100 and player A starts with $100 in Slot X and Slot X has 96% RTP.
You both make one spin of $100 each.
You lose everything and player A wins $92.
Then player A has $192 and you have $0.

Your RTP is 0%
Player A RTP is 192%
The Slot X's RTP is 96%
And the casino win is 4% ($8)

You are basically only exchanging money with other players and the casino takes a transaction fee on each bet.

Then you have the volatility that decideds how often the funds put in to the slot is divided among the players. A low volatility divides its more often (smaller wins) compared to a high volatility slot (give out big wins).

And to add, who wins is random.

 

[bebo67]

Its quite simple. Its not return to player, its return to players.

If you start with $100 and player A starts with $100 in Slot X and Slot X has 96% RTP.
You both make one spin of $100 each.
You lose everything and player A wins $92.
Then player A has $192 and you have $0.

Your RTP is 0%
Player A RTP is 192%
The Slot X's RTP is 96%
And the casino win is 4% ($8)

You are basically only exchanging money with other players and the casino takes a transaction fee on each bet.

Then you have the volatility that decideds how often the funds put in to the slot is divided among the players. A low volatility divides its more often (smaller wins) compared to a high volatility slot (give out big wins).

And to add, who wins is random.

Yes, yes, yes! That was going to be my next question! If the game is popular at one casino, your chances are lowered because you are sharing that game. And that same game may not be so popular at another casino!

 

[Mr Wild]

Yes, yes, yes! That was going to be my next question! If the game is popular at one casino, your chances are lowered because you are sharing that game. And that same game may not be so popular at another casino!

That is not correct, the game dont have any memory. You would have the same chance to win at any time you spin. That is where the random generator comes into the picture.

That would only be the case if the game had a progressive jackpot.

 

[bebo67]

That is not correct, the game dont have any memory. You would have the same chance to win at any time you spin. That is where the random generator comes into the picture.

That would only be the case if the game had a progressive jackpot.

Ok. Cognitively, I'm starting to shut down. I need to eat supper. I was reading Trances thread too, but I will revisit your comment after I feed my brain. Thank you!

 

[goatwack]

Tomorrow's lesson: What is TRTP?

 

[Gaz237]

How does it determine who will go over and who will never reach? Or is it just random and that is why at another casino it could be different results? Sorry for so many questions.

It's just random or you could just call it luck.

In theory, the longer you play, the more your luck should even out.

 

[bebo67]

Tomorrow's lesson: What is TRTP?

Go read trances thread. It will tell you

 

[goatwack]

Go read trances thread. It will tell you

I have. Trance agrees with me on everything, 100%

I'm his mentor, if you will