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Yes and Finland was not one of the countries that VS has said will get the lower RTP versions.
So the countries that get the reduced RTP's are: Sweden, Germany, Austria, Ireland and the United Kingdom
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Yes and Finland was not one of the countries that VS has said will get the lower RTP versions.
So the countries that get the reduced RTP's are: Sweden, Germany, Austria, Ireland and the United Kingdom
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I really would love to see if some casino states their RTP 1-2% more than in the other one and how many of us would see the difference if not having numbers there to blame. As said, my playing is very small to get any difference in so small variance and amount of spins i do if there is that kind of difference.
Again, saying that none of us who play, dont like that your favorite game returns less, but i still guess that most of the even experienced slots players do not see a difference if there is 1% RTP change up or down.
Again, saying that none of us who play, dont like that your favorite game returns less, but i still guess that most of the even experienced slots players do not see a difference if there is 1% RTP change up or down.
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Yes we do see a difference. The easy way for you to tell is the more dead spins you get, even on the low variance slots as well. You will get more dead spins with 2% lower RTP than you would normally get. Reach means less playtime as balance gets eaten much faster. 2% is a lot.
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Of course you can't tell it. I have a 96.51 RTP slot on 81.45 RTP after 7951 spins but I can't prove that it has lower RTP than it says. If RTP was reduced by 2% like what happened all around Videoslots right now with no info, nobody would be able to prove anything. You'd just have to brush it off as long term bad luck.
That doesn't change the fact that the over 50% increased house edge is there and it's absolutely massive. When you would've normally gotten that 1000x win, the 55% increase house edge unfortunately might have sucked it up. You'll never know, you didn't "notice" it, it just happened because they cut the RTP.
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Can you give us an idea of the Direx Setting vs. Another place? What is the difference in RTP?
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I suspect the same will be happening for Dutch players in 2021 when the new Gambling Act is fully operational.
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Ever since the start Videoslots have prided themselves on introducing their new slots to us on the day of their introduction to their site. If you ever had a doubt that they wanted to keep their reduction in RTP from us until someone stumbled across it then surely this is it.
On the 15th of February,which was a Friday, they introduced 3 new slots. The reduction happened the following Monday. On that Friday they released a Red Tiger Gaming slot called Fruit Blox "Available for our UK players with a RTP of 96.09%"
No way would they not have known on that Friday that they would be introducing the new RTP on the following Monday. They could have and should have highlighted the coming Mondays change in the UK's RTP but didn't.
Since the 15th of Feb,as far as I can find,Videoslots stopped introducing us to their further new releases which negated the requirement to highlight lower RTP for the UK and other markets.
Just another coincidence like the "bug" effecting Videoslots Chat box?
For me it is deception
On the 15th of February,which was a Friday, they introduced 3 new slots. The reduction happened the following Monday. On that Friday they released a Red Tiger Gaming slot called Fruit Blox "Available for our UK players with a RTP of 96.09%"
No way would they not have known on that Friday that they would be introducing the new RTP on the following Monday. They could have and should have highlighted the coming Mondays change in the UK's RTP but didn't.
Since the 15th of Feb,as far as I can find,Videoslots stopped introducing us to their further new releases which negated the requirement to highlight lower RTP for the UK and other markets.
Just another coincidence like the "bug" effecting Videoslots Chat box?
For me it is deception
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It´s pure rascism against people from some countries...
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Nothing like pulling the wool over the eyes of the players and treating us all like dumb animals in the hope no-one would notice - it's too much of a coincidence how they stopped posting new slots immediately they reduced the RTP - how contemptuous can a casino be
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Nothing like pulling the wool over the eyes of the players and treating us all like dumb animals in the hope no-one would notice - it's too much of a coincidence how they stopped posting new slots immediately they reduced the RTP - how contemptuous can a casino be
And since the 18th Feb they had the chance of introducing us to quite a number of new releases which would have gave the game away
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Seems like quite the rabbit hole if all these things have been done to dupe players.
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I would love to hear what Bryan (Casinomeister) has to say about all of this? I would not suggest that it should effect Videoslots accredited status but I can not see how they can still be viewed as one of the very top rated casino's in this site?
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So far with all the online casino myths. In the end it's even more expensive on the long run then a landbased.
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Whats happened to the sad little troll who usually comes on and attacks anyone who dares say anything bad about Videoslots? There must be enough posted this week to give him orgasms for weeks to come, thinking about all the trolling he could do!
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youd need to flag or pm him because hes not in the habit of reading each thread and relies on members pointing things out
Well, these changes are just the perfect time for me to take a break. I love to play, but we all have this cold days...weeks...months^^
Reducing the RTP will lead to more frustration. The Bonus that we currently get cannot outweight that. It just makes the rewards less worth, the playtime is clearly reduced and after all it already is a expensive hobby. Even as a lowroller you can lose much money.
Today I got 200 € and I thought I deposit 100 € and going to play on 0.2 and 0.4 €. No feature, many dead spins money was down 20 minutes. Then I said ok, I stop hete before I go crazy. I take the 100 € profit and all is fine.
And that experience alread happens on Slots with 96 % RTP. If we reduce this the amount of big wins or the win frequency at all will greatly go down. Means I will have this bad experience more often with the lowered RTP.
I know VS look at this as a company, they want mantain/increase the income. Maybe they came to the conclusion that this way they maybe lose the top spot but still increase the income by an extreme amount. Reduced RTP is better for a company than reduced bonus/freebies for player. Because not everyone is checking out the RTP, often they look where they get a nice bonus or if wagering is low.
VS has battle of slots, clash of spins, weekend booster, wheel of jackpots and the SNG Battles. Many players getting attracted by this, everyone expects to play on highest RTP amount and thats why this is probably mostly overlooked.
Reducing the RTP will lead to more frustration. The Bonus that we currently get cannot outweight that. It just makes the rewards less worth, the playtime is clearly reduced and after all it already is a expensive hobby. Even as a lowroller you can lose much money.
Today I got 200 € and I thought I deposit 100 € and going to play on 0.2 and 0.4 €. No feature, many dead spins money was down 20 minutes. Then I said ok, I stop hete before I go crazy. I take the 100 € profit and all is fine.
And that experience alread happens on Slots with 96 % RTP. If we reduce this the amount of big wins or the win frequency at all will greatly go down. Means I will have this bad experience more often with the lowered RTP.
I know VS look at this as a company, they want mantain/increase the income. Maybe they came to the conclusion that this way they maybe lose the top spot but still increase the income by an extreme amount. Reduced RTP is better for a company than reduced bonus/freebies for player. Because not everyone is checking out the RTP, often they look where they get a nice bonus or if wagering is low.
VS has battle of slots, clash of spins, weekend booster, wheel of jackpots and the SNG Battles. Many players getting attracted by this, everyone expects to play on highest RTP amount and thats why this is probably mostly overlooked.
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More than anything its the duplicity that bothers me. I never for a second questioned the rtp at videoslots because of the times they stated that they ALWAYS offered the highest available rtp versions of slots.
I have even recommended VS to friends along with a long winded explanation of rtp and why it makes a difference, thus making videoslots a no brainer, #egg_on_my_face
I have even recommended VS to friends along with a long winded explanation of rtp and why it makes a difference, thus making videoslots a no brainer, #egg_on_my_face
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I won't play a single spin for real money on any of Pragmatic Play, Play'n Go, IGT or Red Tiger Gaming. I'm losing enough as it is, no way I will play slots that has 94 % RTP.
If others lowers their, I will quit slots. This is what PokerStars is doing with them increasing rake and lowering bonuses (completely removed for swedes). Their competion will overtake them soon enough.
If others lowers their, I will quit slots. This is what PokerStars is doing with them increasing rake and lowering bonuses (completely removed for swedes). Their competion will overtake them soon enough.
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It's just VideoSlots that has done this. The providers themselves has only done it at their request. 99% of all casinos still run standard RTPs for all providers mentioned.
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Yeah, but for us swedes there aren't many sites that gives something back in 2019.
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Thanks, I will check them out. I have an account with Rizk and Casumo but never heard of Coolbet.
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Yeah the rewards of the Coolbet races aren't as good, but there are way fewer players running them so just playing a few spins pretty much guarantees top 10 most of the time.
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It's far from being unique to VideoSlots. You make it sound like the providers have made special lower RTP slots at VideoSlots' request.
When they've actually always been available, and have been used by many many casinos for years.
All VideoSlots did was request they be switched to the lower setting.
You'll find that there are more casinos than you realise, who run the lower RTP versions .
Not that I'm defending VideoSlots decision to change the RTP in any way, or the way they've gone about it
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That's not what I meant at all. I was just informing him that it's only them who's done it now, because I got the impression that he thought this was the providers universally lowering their RTP, as opposed to VideoSlots requesting it. I'm aware that there are other casinos with lowered RTPs.
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Fair enough. it was just the way you said..
I'd estimate the figure as being more like 60%, as far as PnG games go
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And since the 18th Feb they had the chance of introducing us to quite a number of new releases which would have gave the game away
I don't really follow the VS thread, but if that is the case it's rather sneaky from them.
So... they kill their battle chat and stop posting releases in the Videoslots thread all in the hope of 'hiding' their changes to RTP. I'm pretty certain they can come up with a host of excuses for both - but it is disappointing that they would go to such lengths to keep it out of view.
Changing the RTP is one thing BUT trying to cloak it tells you more about the type of operation they are becoming. You can only hide it for a small amount of time until people figure out whats been happening.
I'm pretty certain a lot of players have been questioning why they have shut their chat down. Sooner or later, people will figure it out.
Thanks to Communities like these a lot of Casinos haven't and won't be able to pull the wool over anyone's eyes!
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Not sure my RTP with VS could be much worse so this is very worrying.
I don't get a good "vibe" at vs and never have really, think it will be a good time to close the account
*edit* MYRTP is down around 79/80% I know I posted deposits, but its just to get a feel as to why I'm uninterested in their site.
I don't get a good "vibe" at vs and never have really, think it will be a good time to close the account
*edit* MYRTP is down around 79/80% I know I posted deposits, but its just to get a feel as to why I'm uninterested in their site.
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Actually, I am in the process of revamping the rating system here and this may fall into one of the categories. Also, I have just launched a new forum for the Meister Minions to add their ratings as well - to include comments for our casino reviews. I sent a mass PM last night to the Meister Minions about this, and I will be recruiting more MMs this week.
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I don't think there are many using the lower RTP, although I am limited to seeing UKGC casinos, and only use PlayNGo out of the ones listed, so a bit of a limited sample. I'm not aware of any of the 'large' casinos using a lower RTP, I mean the list MrWild posted previously are never going to set the world alight and don't think many people, on here certainly, use any of them often.
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Until they banned my account being from Australia my RTP was showing around the 80% mark too.. My bets are very random and can go from betting small (0.50 - 2.00) to betting 10 - 20 fairly quickly depending on bankroll of the day but they by far felt like they had the worst possible RTP of any casino I played at, it felt like it was almost always much harder to hit features than any other casino and even then they would almost always pay crap. Account was in euro and my lifetime deposits wouldv been in decent 5 digit territory on deposits with under 10k in cashouts (even these wouldn't have happened if they didn't happen to be average paying features at big bet sizes and decide to cash out early because I know how quickly I end up losing it back the majority of the time). I don't think I ever had a win bigger than 250x in the 6 or so years the account was open.
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What people judge to be normal RTP? Highest or middle one? Many game providers are offering at least these three different options, is the highest one "normal" one or one in middle?
Tried little bit last night and didnt realize much difference in my small deposits even found casinos with almost 2% difference in RTP. In my limited knowledge and checking out sites and how they operate, there is something where you have to make your profit and for me personally it is nice that you can choose your casino where you play most, based on RTPs in your favorite games or get less promotions with worse terms with max cashouts etc....
But im not that smart slot player than many active people here, when i make my deposit, i count that money is gone and if my deposits are 50eur max, i cant see that much difference in my playing time between different casinos with different RTPs, after all, it is under 100% most of the time and i couldnt find really big difference if there was 1-2% difference in one game. My variance small so probably you more active players who follow gameplay are more sophisticated with more knowledge than me, i just make deposit there and then and be lucky or not (mostly not) but cant really judge little changes in RTP in my gameplay
Tried little bit last night and didnt realize much difference in my small deposits even found casinos with almost 2% difference in RTP. In my limited knowledge and checking out sites and how they operate, there is something where you have to make your profit and for me personally it is nice that you can choose your casino where you play most, based on RTPs in your favorite games or get less promotions with worse terms with max cashouts etc....
But im not that smart slot player than many active people here, when i make my deposit, i count that money is gone and if my deposits are 50eur max, i cant see that much difference in my playing time between different casinos with different RTPs, after all, it is under 100% most of the time and i couldnt find really big difference if there was 1-2% difference in one game. My variance small so probably you more active players who follow gameplay are more sophisticated with more knowledge than me, i just make deposit there and then and be lucky or not (mostly not) but cant really judge little changes in RTP in my gameplay
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Not much to add in respect of the changes which hasn’t already been said. Very shady way of going about things.
I’d been on the fence about dramatically cutting back or stopping completely and, whilst there are other casinos, recent activities is making this a much easier decision.
I’m a modest contributor and last year put around £7.5k into VideoSlots so probably over £10k total including a couple of other sites (deposits excluding withdrawals). One key thing is that I am both aware of RTP and impacts and in control of what I am doing. I can walk away. I have said this elsewhere on the forums that the online slots have an air of UK AWPs history about them. By that I mean companies got greedier, found ways of getting money quicker, government thought this was a great tax opportunity so upped the taxes (but it’s ok “when the fun stops, stop” will cover problem gambling) and eventually the whole thing pretty much collapsed.
And that’s the thing here. These sort of actions from both the industry and the governments increasing taxes are only going to impact the people with gambling problems down the line. The majority will walk away (as per UK AWPs). Either, like me, because they are fed up with the Ultra HV slots being churned out en masse and they are aware of actions like lowering RTP or because they eventually pick up just how little they are getting back. I actually think recent game design is having a far more damaging impact than necessarily the lowering of RTP although both are bad personally.
I’d been on the fence about dramatically cutting back or stopping completely and, whilst there are other casinos, recent activities is making this a much easier decision.
I’m a modest contributor and last year put around £7.5k into VideoSlots so probably over £10k total including a couple of other sites (deposits excluding withdrawals). One key thing is that I am both aware of RTP and impacts and in control of what I am doing. I can walk away. I have said this elsewhere on the forums that the online slots have an air of UK AWPs history about them. By that I mean companies got greedier, found ways of getting money quicker, government thought this was a great tax opportunity so upped the taxes (but it’s ok “when the fun stops, stop” will cover problem gambling) and eventually the whole thing pretty much collapsed.
And that’s the thing here. These sort of actions from both the industry and the governments increasing taxes are only going to impact the people with gambling problems down the line. The majority will walk away (as per UK AWPs). Either, like me, because they are fed up with the Ultra HV slots being churned out en masse and they are aware of actions like lowering RTP or because they eventually pick up just how little they are getting back. I actually think recent game design is having a far more damaging impact than necessarily the lowering of RTP although both are bad personally.
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I think Casinomeister should have done the decent thing and given no one the casino of the year, none of the casinos at the moment are fit for the title it should have been a unique year when all had "must improve" stamped on them.Y'mean me? Sorry, but I am not sad.
Actually, I am in the process of revamping the rating system here and this may fall into one of the categories. Also, I have just launched a new forum for the Meister Minions to add their ratings as well - to include comments for our casino reviews. I sent a mass PM last night to the Meister Minions about this, and I will be recruiting more MMs this week.
Casinomeister shouldn't automatically give an award if it hasn't been earned and VS had done a few things in the last few months of 2018 to have sent out warning bells before the awards were announced if no one is up to the task then the best of the worst shouldn't be given an award just because it's expected.
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Eh? This was a vote by the membership and not exclusively me. So you are saying Trada casino doesn't deserve it either?- Joined
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I meant "casinomesiter" as a site not you individually and I think Trada site is slow and has a lot of bugs in it and the variety of games is low so as I said I think no casino deserved the award this year until they all improve. My personal opinion.
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I think the casinomeister awards are an important part of CM. This site is player orientated and the winners were voted for by us members. These awards give newer players and members information about casino's based on other players & members experiences. It highlights the best places to play based on the opinions of everyone here.
Before this drastic and completely unnecessary lowering of RTP by VS it is hard to argue that they were hands down the best casino online and they were quite rightly awarded (Jointly) casino of the year. Hindsight is 50/50. You can't just denounce that they were the best just because of recent happenings.
Every casino online has room for improvement, but we shouldn't just abolish an important part of CM in having a vote for the best aspects of online casinos just because of it.
EDIT: I do understand your point about the direction of the indutry though and realize things should be better than they are.
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Nothing to do with the RTP they had started doing things before the RTP, breakdowns during battles particularly on PlaynGo slots midweek, reducing the games in battles to mostly 10p and 20p games, i think there is one 30p game left in middle of the night on Egypt that's for starters, I am sure the you can go back in the VS threads and find how disastisfied people have been over the last 6 months, it is hardly a good sign when a casino is getting so much stick day after day then is given the joint award.
It's a bit like giving Theresa May political leader of the year 2018 just because the other contenders were bad if they are not up to scratch then it should be stated, isn't what this site was built on making casinos fair and transparent and eager to improve?
I did not say abolish I said if there is no viable contender then just say this year there is no worthy winner better luck next year.
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That's a very illogical way to think about it though. The CM awards exist, people vote, there will always be contenders & winners; whether you think anyone is worthy or not is irrelevant was the point I was making.
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If there were only two casinos left in the country and both were ripping people off and full of scams and dodgy practices you would still advocate giving one of the casino of the year?That's a very illogical way to think about it though. The CM awards exist, people vote, there will always be contenders & winners; whether you think anyone is worthy or not is irrelevant was the point I was making.
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well you probably won't see the likes of LeoVegas, unibet, etc. using lower RTP settings.
But a lot of the large groups, which include many casinos each, use the lower settings, including ...
Skill-on-net - 22 casinos
Daub Alderney - 15 casinos
Aspire Global - 58 casinos
Genesis Global - 6 casinos
individuals - Betat, SlottyVegas, CasinHeroes
And that's just off the top of my head
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I'm not advocating anything.
I'm pretty sure if there were only two casino's that existed purely for the purposes of scamming people out of money and stealing players' funds (Whatever else there is negative to imply) then there would be no casinos to play at (Since they would just cease to exist at some point).
Are you stating that you believe all of the casino's that all of us members here voted for are full of these dodgy practices you speak of?
Because you seem slightly eager for me to paint myself as an advocate of dodgy practices in casinos, when it's quite clear anyone in thier right mind wouldn't advocate for such shit; so the question becomes why you've asked me this?
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If you're in the UK their is no reason to play at any of these casino.
Willhill and skybet and other bookmakers offer all these games super fast payouts and zero issues.
Only non book sites I occasionally play are leovegas for fastest payouts ever or hello casino for bonuses.
But the rest offer nothing and dont give same security a large bookmaker does.
Willhill and skybet and other bookmakers offer all these games super fast payouts and zero issues.
Only non book sites I occasionally play are leovegas for fastest payouts ever or hello casino for bonuses.
But the rest offer nothing and dont give same security a large bookmaker does.
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That's my point though, none of them have a great reputation on here. Most have slow payouts, Fu clauses and poor wagering terms. Look at good casinos, and you get none of that, and higher RTP .
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But that’s immaterial to your average, non-cm player. Who doesn’t know any better.
I was talking about the number of casinos, as a whole, not just cm accredited casinos
What people judge to be normal RTP? Highest or middle one? Many game providers are offering at least these three different options, is the highest one "normal" one or one in middle?
Tried little bit last night and didnt realize much difference in my small deposits even found casinos with almost 2% difference in RTP. In my limited knowledge and checking out sites and how they operate, there is something where you have to make your profit and for me personally it is nice that you can choose your casino where you play most, based on RTPs in your favorite games or get less promotions with worse terms with max cashouts etc....
But im not that smart slot player than many active people here, when i make my deposit, i count that money is gone and if my deposits are 50eur max, i cant see that much difference in my playing time between different casinos with different RTPs, after all, it is under 100% most of the time and i couldnt find really big difference if there was 1-2% difference in one game. My variance small so probably you more active players who follow gameplay are more sophisticated with more knowledge than me, i just make deposit there and then and be lucky or not (mostly not) but cant really judge little changes in RTP in my gameplay
It does not matter if you "feel it" or not, it is a decrease after all. If you get water from your faucet for 0.03 € /liter and they change it to 0.04 € /liter you maybe will not notice a change in the short-term but in the long-term, it will cost you a lot more.
There is also not much strategy in playing slots, but I am sure you know it with your sarcastic commentary. As I already mentioned somewhere many people do not understand what impact 1-2 % can be. But if you still feel confident, I can tell you places where games have 89-92 % RTP maybe you will like them even more - as they run promotions pretty often
and sometimes they also accept cashouts (as long as you stay below deposit amount everything is ok, that's what the chat agent told )
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Did they claim to use the standard RTP and then lower it without saying anything or did they always have low RTP? I'm guessing the latter.
VS claimed to use the highest RTP, lowered it without telling anybody until somebody on here randomly stumbled upon it, and then censored the battle chat to suppress the information.
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Cliff Notes anyone ? As UK player what games/providers on VS , casumo , energy , leo etc am I being shafted on ? Just won a nice amount at VS yesterday so maybe time to move on from there?
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