Your Input Please Videoslots: Lower RTP for UK, Sweden, Germany & Others

[Reelsoffun]

But VS already have a 2.50 charge when you do more than 1 withdraw a day. So for example, the first withdraw every 24 hours is free. But if you do more withdraws in the same day it then incurs a charge of 2.50. I do not agree with them either. But VS still is a great casino. So I kinda do not let it bother me too much as they have other aspects that make it not as painful.

Well thats quite simple, dont do more than 1 a day, have some self control and just do the additional withdraw free the following day.

 

[DreamRJ]

Well thats quite simple, dont do more than 1 a day, have some self control and just do the additional withdraw free the following day.

Hang on a minute though. I seem to recall that the UK passed a law recently that basically banned those type of charges and fees.

And around a few weeks after that, I noticed Rizk stopped charging for withdraws as well. They too used to charge 2.50 per withdraw. Some other casinos did too. So I am not sure how VS has still be allowed to keep it for UK players to be honest? Maybe @Team.Videoslots would like to clarify for me?

 

[lockinlove]

This have to do with increased taxes and not the 1 million pound fine.

This will be final post for me here today. Have nice weekend!

It could be the case.. both makes sense I guess.

@Nate I didnt know red tiger offered different RTP's either

I know lots of people have beef with leo vegas but it would be nice if every casino displayed it like they do. The rtp is right there when you open a game.

Betat and SlottyVegas also have reduced rtp on their games ever since implementing playngo and I see they have pragmatic now too so curious if they have lower rtp on them too. I would assume so although I dont play there anyways.

But I remember when LuckyDino had a promo and it was for jurassic giants and I played Jurassic giants in lots of casinos and the returns seemed fair enough. But then here after a few hundred spins it seemed really really different. I checked their rtp and it was set at 92.85% which explained a whole heck of alot! Closed my account and will never return to a casino offering such bs

I feel bad for the people who do not know about rtp etc

 

[pinnit2014]

Hang on a minute though. I seem to recall that the UK passed a law recently that basically banned those type of charges and fees.

And around a few weeks after that, I noticed Rizk stopped charging for withdraws as well. They too used to charge 2.50 per withdraw. Some other casinos did too. So I am not sure how VS has still be allowed to keep it for UK players to be honest? Maybe @Team.Videoslots would like to clarify for me?

Debit and Credit Card surcharges were scrapped but admin charges are still permissible.

 

[DreamRJ]

Debit and Credit Card surcharges were scrapped but admin charges are still permissible.

Ok yeah I knew it was for credit and debit card surcharges. But I thought it also covered other things as well. Like the excessive exchange rate charges that banks also used to charge was also included as far as I know. So I wonder why Rizk and others scrapped the charges then? You think they did it just in case? Or because they wanted to make it appear they care and wasn't out to just take take take from their punters?

 

[pinnit2014]

Ok yeah I knew it was for credit and debit card surcharges. But I thought it also covered other things as well. Like the excessive exchange rate charges that banks also used to charge was also included as far as I know. So I wonder why Rizk and others scrapped the charges then? You think they did it just in case? Or because they wanted to make it appear they care and wasn't out to just take take take from their punters?

Not sure...think the surcharge was only for receiving payments anyhow? (knowledge of payments is a tad rusty) - Places like Just Eat just added on 50p sure to the orders to get round it

 

[DreamRJ]

Not sure...think the surcharge was only for receiving payments anyhow? (knowledge of payments is a tad rusty) - Places like Just Eat just added on 50p sure to the orders to get round it

Yeah perhaps, I am not sure either lol

 

[aceking123]

whats alarming here other than what Nate has written is how many very experienced players on here did not know or bother to check sites for the lower RTP%, this isn't something that has been sprung up now it's been around many years , many players, newbies included, maybe often wonder why the old school users never bother to post because its pointless they tend to be your talking crap no one believes what we have been saying only in bits does it come out then all of a sudden players listen.

Video slots is doing what the rest are doing & some companies have been doing it for a lot longer than you think, im god smacked with some members here not knowing, they state taxes etc etc , bottom line it's all about greed & sadly they damn well know it is.

 

[Nate]

It could be the case.. both makes sense I guess.

@Nate I didnt know red tiger offered different RTP's either

I know lots of people have beef with leo vegas but it would be nice if every casino displayed it like they do. The rtp is right there when you open a game.

Betat and SlottyVegas also have reduced rtp on their games ever since implementing playngo and I see they have pragmatic now too so curious if they have lower rtp on them too. I would assume so although I dont play there anyways.

But I remember when LuckyDino had a promo and it was for jurassic giants and I played Jurassic giants in lots of casinos and the returns seemed fair enough. But then here after a few hundred spins it seemed really really different. I checked their rtp and it was set at 92.85% which explained a whole heck of alot! Closed my account and will never return to a casino offering such bs

I feel bad for the people who do not know about rtp etc

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If you recall, I took Homerbert on about it a few months ago.... but that was in relation to PNG at Direx Casinos.

I then asked Dan from pragmatic if they would consider advising players that they were playing a reduced RTP version of their games when opened... I've yet to get an answer from either Dan or Homerbert.

I'm pretty certain that there is a shit house full of places which have reduced RTP. I wasn't aware of Red Tiger or IGT either.

To put this into perspective, I've played PNG at Direx Casinos and I can tell you that it may be possible that they run 92% versions - it's that bad. PNG go as low as 86%.

It's up to individual casinos whether they want to offer the lowered RTP versions - I have no issues about that.

Just be transparent and upfront to players... but hell, that ain't gunna happen anytime soon.

Nate

 

[JGslots]

If this is happening, they should make the RTP visible on the front screen on the slot.

It would be useful to know the RTP of the slot before you even open it, maybe this is already happening?

All that’s going to happen is the savvy gamblers will seek out casinos offering the higher percentages and average Joe is going to be in the dark about these changes.

I think if a solid casino stepped in right now and said they will always offer the highest RTP’s available, this would help build some confidence and I bet they would do a lot better in the long run.

I would be happy to lose all perks before lowering the RTP’s of a game, here in the UK land based environment you can find slots on 70% right through to 96%, which is a heck of a difference.

It’s going to be a slippery slope. Casinos will start badgering developers to release even lower settings for RTP’s, I think we will start to drift even closer to that 90% figure, how low will it take for you to stop playing?

I understand costs are high, things are tight... lower the perks, lowering the RTP’s is a dangerous move, people can and will vote with their feet.


Rob

 

[dionysus]

I think if a solid casino stepped in right now and said they will always offer the highest RTP’s available, this would help build some

would it though? VS WAS the solid casino that said they always offered the highest rtp possible

 

[JGslots]

would it though? VS WAS the solid casino that said they always offered the highest rtp possible

They need to hire Dan again to sort the place out

 

[dionysus]

They need to hire Dan again to sort the place out

with all the cutbacks they can no longer afford to hire him

 

[DreamRJ]

They need to hire Dan again to sort the place out

Dan is happy in his new job, I speak to him on skype. He also gets and has a much better salary as well maybe I was not allowed to say that, oopsies

 

[goatwack]

with all the cutbacks they can no longer afford to hire him

They couldn't stretch to Dan, not with the cutbacks, but with some wheeling & dealing they have (just about) acquired a new member, called....

"Da"

 

[dunover]

with all the cutbacks they can no longer afford to hire him

Dan is now making Pragmatic slots with operator set RTP's....

 

[dionysus]

They couldn't stretch to Dan, not with the cutbacks, but with some wheeling & dealing they have (just about) acquired a new member, called....

"Da"

as long as I dont have to login and see a D

 

[Borgie]

They couldn't stretch to Dan, not with the cutbacks, but with some wheeling & dealing they have (just about) acquired a new member, called....

"Da"

They could hire you for 50p what are they waiting for ...

 

[goatwack]

They could hire you for 50p what are they waiting for ...

I would have settled for 40p, but thankyou

 

[Borgie]

I would have settled for 40p, but thankyou

You are so cheap...

 

[DreamRJ]

I am on the expensive side. You really do not want to know?

 

[goatwack]

I am on the expensive side. You really do not want to know?

You mean....like.....two 50ps stuck together expensive??

 

[DreamRJ]

You mean....like.....two 50ps stuck together expensive??

lol nah, lets just say it involves a lot of 0's and a dot

 

[09237653]

I suppose a lot of places do also have the lower RTPs. but a lot of places still have the higher RTPs, guess where ill be playing.

 

[goatwack]

It's farcical really. On top of the normal associated stresses with slotting these days, players now have to go full-Columbo just to find the right 'version' of the games they want to play