Videoslots - 75% RTP - Support thinks this is 'pretty good' what do you guys think?

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[geordiecolin]

I made a small deposit yesterday £30 as fancied a blast on DoA, no play time, went straight through - moved onto Reel Island and won £200 on DoA Wildline and £60 on Scruffy Duck.

VS is the only site I play at that I can never get anywhere near a wild line and the only site that I went over 800 spins without a feature on DoA, most from every other site has been 400. As for Jungle Spirit on there, don't get me started

I've flogged DOA at Videoslots too over time and I have never had a wild line once. I view DOA as a slot that I only play when I am happy to lose. Such as when I have already made a withdrawal or cashback or winnings from the free rolls. Occasionally I deposit specifically to play DOA but I never actually expect to win on it. I know that eventually I will get lucky though

 

[geordiecolin]

that honour goes to the software providers themselves, who are as bent as a nine bob note!

Now that is what I call a proper Geordie expression

 

[spintee]

I also give VS top props, fastest payouts, no bullshit, usually get $200-$300 week in cashback that is always free, race money but its the cashouts, I rarely wait beyond 30 mins, most casinos (even accredited ones) are not at this speed.

I am pretty much anti bonus, I am sure this comment will piss some people off but it makes me sick reading some of these complaints when it pertains to a bonus, the reality of all casinos is that they are there to make money like any business in the whole world, its called gambling for a reason, I don't understand the expectation of some people, some win, most lose, we all hope we are in the first category but that simply is not possible, if you are not prepared to lose your money then don't play.

I do not think you will find many people actually putting the casino down or say anything bad against it

What people are saying including my self is play there is terrible

what annoys me is that its perfectly ok for people to say things about a casino when its a good thing but when its not so good they do not expect a lashing for speaking there words just because others think diffrent.

I have nether once in my gambling life moaned about losing 1 penny, what I moan about is getting feck all for my penny. I would at least like to flip that penny and call heads or tails instead of it getting flipped and not landing

Yes they have some of the fastest payouts but all sites should be like this, they are not but hopefully in the futer all casino should have time limits

 

[nikantw]

Well going by peoples displeasure about the game play there in recent months it is out standing Serious there has been so many complaints about the horrible game play there? someone just pointed out it does not add up and there right

how can there be so many people stating the same thing? I am not talking about one or two depos's here either, something is not right and I have seen it myself

Lets just say the average casino takes a 5% profit over a long run giving that some games pay over 95% and some less, taking into account peoples wage, offices, bills, renting the games, servers, casino race etc etc, they must be taking in some serious wedge and the way machines pay there is no way a casino can run on 5% or less or is they??

No I am not saying things are fixed, but the pay out is to good to belive across any site

Depends on the expenses that are wagering related (like some taxes). Because most expenses don’t increase with the wagering. Lets say you deposit 100. Higher RTP on your season means you will wager more (if you play until bust) not that you won’t lose the 100. Even with 98% RTP at the end of your season the 100 will be gone, it will just take longer.

The trick is in taxes, wagering related expenses like cashback or race, and time. How fast you lose your money is very important to casinos, especially land based. Those need you to lose as fast as possible, that is why they have lower RTP. Online, from your home, you can play longer, so they can afford higher RTP (on the taxes front, they will pay the same sooner or later). Like I said before, with 68% you wager 3x the deposit, with 97% 33x the deposit (until bust).

 

[Tropicana50]

Nearly a million spins tracked here. Doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary is going on:

SRP is coming in at 94.94%.

- T

 

[spintee]

Nearly a million spins tracked here. Doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary is going on:

SRP is coming in at 94.94%.

- T

I believe I have the right to a little moan than

 

[lockinlove]

Nice slot

 

[lockinlove]

 

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[lockinlove]

Yeah I know too small sample size

I have went through page after page and almost every single slot I play looks like the above. I didnt post the other ones under a hundred spins that are all 30% pretty much. or in the 90's thats not worth crying about

I believe I have 2 slots out of like 100 that I am in the green in.

Thanks slottracker. You have helped me quit gambling after reviewing my stats. I am disgusted in what this industry has become.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yeah I know too small sample size

I have went through page after page and almost every single slot I play looks like the above. I didnt post the other ones under a hundred spins that are all 30% pretty much. or in the 90's thats not worth crying about

I believe I have 2 slots out of like 100 that I am in the green in.

Thanks slottracker. You have helped me quit gambling after reviewing my stats. I am disgusted in what this industry has become.

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Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

 

[geordiecolin]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I am sure that I can hear someone typing furiously right now

 

[trancemonkey]

I am sure that I can hear someone typing furiously right now

I fully expect people to take umbrage with what i've said - but if i based every game i made on a 200 spins worth of play, i'd never finish messing with the maths, because in a single 200 spins session, a game can be shockingly bad, or wonderfully good. And what we do IS make, hopefully, entertaining games that people like to play and will sometimes win out of...

In the examples LockInLove gives, the game at 40% (ish) after 153 games - if that paid an 80x win, it would be back on %. Whilst i don't personally like BTG games, they are volatile and do pay wins of that size. You can't have a game on percentage after such a small amount of games - otherwise you would NEVER be able to award a win of more than around 5x, and the volatility would be so low, no one would ever play it...

SlotTracker is great, but also dangerous if people make decisions based on stats like LockInLove as done. That said, everyone has the right to make a decision about their gambling for whatever reason - and i would never encourage anyone to gamble - whether they wanted to gamble or not. It's a personal choice

 

[greylady]

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I would imagine there is a lack of entertainment too. When all you get are dead spins, your 'game time' is restricted too so even the entertainment factor is lacking, it becomes boring, same old, same old.

 

[geordiecolin]

I fully expect people to take umbrage with what i've said - but if i based every game i made on a 200 spins worth of play, i'd never finish messing with the maths, because in a single 200 spins session, a game can be shockingly bad, or wonderfully good. And what we do IS make, hopefully, entertaining games that people like to play and will sometimes win out of...

In the examples LockInLove gives, the game at 40% (ish) after 153 games - if that paid an 80x win, it would be back on %. Whilst i don't personally like BTG games, they are volatile and do pay wins of that size. You can't have a game on percentage after such a small amount of games - otherwise you would NEVER be able to award a win of more than around 5x, and the volatility would be so low, no one would ever play it...

SlotTracker is great, but also dangerous if people make decisions based on stats like LockInLove as done. That said, everyone has the right to make a decision about their gambling for whatever reason - and i would never encourage anyone to gamble - whether they wanted to gamble or not. It's a personal choice

I know from personal experience that there are a number of games that I should never expect a good rtp for the first 100-200 spins so I base my slotting choices on that.
If I have limited time-say not long before bedtime- I will only deposit £20 and avoid the likes of Jack and the Beanstalk on 40-60p spins.

 

[lockinlove]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I know I get that, it was just me trying to show that almost every slot I have tracked since buying the software is just a shit show.

No need to pick and choose the one that suits you though. There are some that I posted over a thousand spins. Which again yes I know the whole sample size blah blah blah but when you add up almost every single slot that looks like that, no wonder im sick of it.

And as greylady said, how is playing with stats like that entertaining at the least? Its not.

 

[trancemonkey]

I know I get that, it was just me trying to show that almost every slot I have tracked since buying the software is just a shit show.

No need to pick and choose the one that suits you though. There are some that I posted over a thousand spins. Which again yes I know the whole sample size blah blah blah but when you add up almost every single slot that looks like that, no wonder im sick of it.

And as greylady said, how is playing with stats like that entertaining at the least? Its not.

All the ones i saw were less than 250 spins, so apologies if there were more in previous posts... and of course I can't defend a bad game. For me, i only play games that entertain me AND i have a good chance of winning on... So outside of work related research, i tend to actually play very few slots (probably around 10 different ones mostly) and to get on my regular rotation is very hard. Flame Busters is the most recent that has - but i love the game and am not keen on the theme...

Slot Tracker just is an aid for me... not a 100% decision maker

 

[spintee]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

True, but you have to understand, lets say you betting 50p and you deposit £25 now 25 is alot 0f cash to some people why others do that on 1 spin.

you have got a least 50 spins and if your lucks out and rtp is 40% than you will get another 20 spins, How long do you think them 70 spins are going to last? just a few minutes

Years ago for £5 - £10 you used to get hours of play so something has changed

What slots providers are doing is like what she said before that each machine is like a jackpot machines as you either hit big or bust very quick, Unless of course money is no object along with the time. You can probably carry on all day and get a few good hits, but people do not have the time or money.

I am sure if we got a good play than we would not mind and even if you do get a god hit than whats that a few 100x at best

 

[lockinlove]

True, but you have to understand, lets say you betting 50p and you deposit £25 now 25 is alot 0f cash to some people why others do that on 1 spin.

you have got a least 50 spins and if your lucks out and rtp is 40% than you will get another 20 spins, How long do you think them 70 spins are going to last? just a few minutes

Years ago for £5 - £10 you used to get hours of play so something has changed

What slots providers are doing is like what she said before that each machine is like a jackpot machines as you either hit big or bust very quick, Unless of course money is no object along with the time. You can probably carry on all day and get a few good hits, but people do not have the time or money.

I am sure if we got a good play than we would not mind and even if you do get a god hit than whats that a few 100x at best

Actually its so bad that if you play all day and money is not a big deal, it wont matter. Over the past 3 weeks I have done over 100,000 spins and I have not had a good hit for that type of sample size. 685x is a good hit but my sample size I would expect some 1000x in there.

And just because money isnt an issue, doesnt really mean anything aside I can afford to play. But dead slots for weeks on end is absolutely boring. And I still get incredibly frustrated where I think whats the point. I dont know if i can but I will give you my bandicam folder and you can see that I had over 500 bonuses and over 475 of them are terrible.

They are all made like jackpot slots now. Which sucks

 

[slotter999]

Yeah I know too small sample size

I have went through page after page and almost every single slot I play looks like the above. I didnt post the other ones under a hundred spins that are all 30% pretty much. or in the 90's thats not worth crying about

I believe I have 2 slots out of like 100 that I am in the green in.

Thanks slottracker. You have helped me quit gambling after reviewing my stats. I am disgusted in what this industry has become.

I actually think the sample size could be fairly representative of a typical session to be honest and yeah it doesn't look great.

I saw the response from trancemonkey saying it could just have easily been the other way except I don't believe that to be true. If you had shown all of those pics with positive RTP I'd have been v. surprised.

Maybe the slotstracker team can share with us how a 'typical' session plays out. Those of us not trying to promote the industry already know what they most probably looks like.

 

[bebo67]

I think with regards to VS low RTP, it's going to be a hit and miss. You have over 2k games to chose from, and chances are you will inadvertently chose the wrong one. Its like the find the prize under the bowls, the more bowls you have to pick from, your chances drop immensely You could almost say there is a method in their madness with that many games. And I don't care what people say, the more people that play on one game diminishes your chances too. You see it in the 1k free battles every time. I deposit 10 dollars, play gemix at 20 cents, and hope to gradually increase. Thats my stance

 

[goatwack]

I think with regards to VS low RTP, it's going to be a hit and miss. You have over 2k games to chose from, and chances are you will inadvertently chose the wrong one. Its like the find the prize under the bowls, the more bowls you have to pick from, your chances drop immensely You could almost say there is a method in their madness with that many games. And I don't care what people say, the more people that play on one game diminishes your chances too. You see it in the 1k free battles every time. I deposit 10 dollars, play gemix at 20 cents, and hope to gradually increase. Thats my stance

It is true, and it's not just at VS either. With so many games to choose from now, and each supplier having a massive back catalogue it would be foolhardy to consistently win on just a couple of their games, eg Immortal Romance for MG & DOA for Netent.

It's worth mixing slots up a bit, I'm guilty of pretty much choosing the same games at low stakes and building up, but never getting anywhere more often than not. Then I'll boot up a game I've never tried before and get 100x off the bat

Yet I do believe the market is flooded with just too many slots, and too many of low quality and low payout potential. This will definitely diminish the pool as less quality shines through...the industry is a bit of a mess at the moment I feel

 

[Deeplay]

It is true, and it's not just at VS either. With so many games to choose from now, and each supplier having a massive back catalogue it would be foolhardy to consistently win on just a couple of their games, eg Immortal Romance for MG & DOA for Netent.

It's worth mixing slots up a bit, I'm guilty of pretty much choosing the same games at low stakes and building up, but never getting anywhere more often than not. Then I'll boot up a game I've never tried before and get 100x off the bat

Yet I do believe the market is flooded with just too many slots, and too many of low quality and low payout potential. This will definitely diminish the pool as less quality shines through...the industry is a bit of a mess at the moment I feel

Agreed its like anyone with basic programming skills wants to get in on the online gaming thing. The choice is ridiculous today. And alot of the releases are truly crap! Dont mean they are bent, just low variance low RTP drivel with little or no chance of winning any thing decent. I am a die hard Video Slots fan but dont care for all the new releases ... as much of what is added is dross. And rare try them out. Like you im guilty of sticking to a limited number of games. Many of which are HV in nature. But these new fangled abominations they can keep. Suppose im an old timer, BDBA IR, TS 2 ....... and maybe with so many games and so many players your odds of hitting could be reduced even though that dont make the game your playing gimped.

 

[trancemonkey]

True, but you have to understand, lets say you betting 50p and you deposit £25 now 25 is alot 0f cash to some people why others do that on 1 spin.

you have got a least 50 spins and if your lucks out and rtp is 40% than you will get another 20 spins, How long do you think them 70 spins are going to last? just a few minutes

Years ago for £5 - £10 you used to get hours of play so something has changed

What slots providers are doing is like what she said before that each machine is like a jackpot machines as you either hit big or bust very quick, Unless of course money is no object along with the time. You can probably carry on all day and get a few good hits, but people do not have the time or money.

I am sure if we got a good play than we would not mind and even if you do get a god hit than whats that a few 100x at best

Yup... Your playing habits. There are still games that cost 10p a go or 20p. There are still low volatility games. But your habits change over time... LockInLove has posted stats from nearly ALL high volatility games. So she has, by choice, played games where she is likely to do badly for long periods of time with one big win every now and then.

If she had played low volatility games her money would have probably lasted longer and her RTP been less volatile.

I've seen studies on player behaviours and nearly all of them showed player bahaviour changes over time. When you look at the data it's a fact most people bet higher and tend to play higher volatility games the longer they have been playing - they need a bigger rush to keep the excitement level. When asked they said they hadn't changed... But actually data showed they had.

 

[goatwack]

Yup... Your playing habits. There are still games that cost 10p a go or 20p. There are still low volatility games. But your habits change over time... LockInLove has posted stats from nearly ALL high volatility games. So she has, by choice, played games where she is likely to do badly for long periods of time with one big win every now and then.

If she had played low volatility games her money would have probably lasted longer and her RTP been less volatile.

I've seen studies on player behaviours and nearly all of them showed player bahaviour changes over time. When you look at the data it's a fact most people bet higher and tend to play higher volatility games the longer they have been playing - they need a bigger rush to keep the excitement level. When asked they said they hadn't changed... But actually data showed they had.

I'd agree a little with that. I fluctuate my bets like a yoyo wheras 'back in the day' I'd stick to one size religiously. Hence, less playtime

I don't think a tenner would ever really last several hours unless extremely lucky early on, or playing the once-cosy, put your feet up DOA, back when it ran really slowly!

 

[geordiecolin]

I too remember the days

 

[lockinlove]

Yup... Your playing habits. There are still games that cost 10p a go or 20p. There are still low volatility games. But your habits change over time... LockInLove has posted stats from nearly ALL high volatility games. So she has, by choice, played games where she is likely to do badly for long periods of time with one big win every now and then.

If she had played low volatility games her money would have probably lasted longer and her RTP been less volatile.

I've seen studies on player behaviours and nearly all of them showed player bahaviour changes over time. When you look at the data it's a fact most people bet higher and tend to play higher volatility games the longer they have been playing - they need a bigger rush to keep the excitement level. When asked they said they hadn't changed... But actually data showed they had.

I expect it with high variance slots. But I expect it to hover somewhere around level after a large sample size...sometimes...

412,000 spins on bonanza is 88% rtp I believe..or 86 ..I forget...but thats off the top of my head without looking into but either or.

Book of dead 82% over 5k spins tracked on slottracker and over 43,000 spins its 86.4%

Dragon born 90.1% over 109,000 spins


I find it horseshit that it is ALWAYS low and never above. or close. And then I hear with every single person who posts stats. Sample size sample size. Well if it was sample size some should be in the green

And yes these pile of crap slots showing up on videoslots SUCK. Why even make them? They are bloody terrible.

Im pretty pissed off right now so no sense discussing it til I win a few times again

 

[trancemonkey]

I expect it with high variance slots. But I expect it to hover somewhere around level after a large sample size...sometimes...

412,000 spins on bonanza is 88% rtp I believe..or 86 ..I forget...but thats off the top of my head without looking into but either or.

Book of dead 82% over 5k spins tracked on slottracker and over 43,000 spins its 86.4%

Dragon born 90.1% over 109,000 spins


I find it horseshit that it is ALWAYS low and never above. or close. And then I hear with every single person who posts stats. Sample size sample size. Well if it was sample size some should be in the green

And yes these pile of crap slots showing up on videoslots SUCK. Why even make them? They are bloody terrible.

Im pretty pissed off right now so no sense discussing it til I win a few times again

But of course they always sit under... Big wins ( required to hit the RTP ) are rare. On the games like BOTD and DB there are some monster wins in there. A 1,000x win every 100,000 games accounts for a full 1% of the RTP... And there will be wins over 100x and less than that happening too. Wins over, say 250x may well account for over 5% of the total RTP and yet will happen rarely. So yes, statistically a game will nearly always trend under and then go up towards RTP over time. That's statistics. Some will be over but far more will be under. And the more games you play the more likely you are to be under as it settlea and then works it's way up to RTP

Sometimes I think us gamblers can have too much info. Because knowing all this stuff actually makes you angry and despondent whereas not knowing would probably have allowed you to carry on enjoying things (and sometimes maybe not!)

 

[Harry_BKK]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I am sure that I can hear someone typing furiously right now

I am with trancemonkey on this one. Ever since slashing my gaming budget to a mere few hundred dollars a month, maximum $1K, I stopped recording my sessions, stopped taking notes, stopped chasing that BIG win and can't be bothered if I cash out or not as long as I get some play time and have my entertainment.

And guess what? I am no longer frustrated when RTP is low, I enjoy the gaming sessions a lot more, change slots sometimes after just 20-30 spins if I don't feel good, stopped chasing losses..... in essence I get my entertainment and that's it. Sure I do have some poorer sessions, but that is to be expected.

My 32RED challenge and failure were the best example, in the past I would have pumped in money until I would have made it to the required 90x bet win, no matter how many hundreds it would have cost me. I stopped after two deposits, totaling $150 but I did have fun trying.

At the end of the day, we are all doomed to lose on slots.

 

[bebo67]

But of course they always sit under... Big wins ( required to hit the RTP ) are rare. On the games like BOTD and DB there are some monster wins in there. A 1,000x win every 100,000 games accounts for a full 1% of the RTP... And there will be wins over 100x and less than that happening too. Wins over, say 250x may well account for over 5% of the total RTP and yet will happen rarely. So yes, statistically a game will nearly always trend under and then go up towards RTP over time. That's statistics. Some will be over but far more will be under. And the more games you play the more likely you are to be under as it settlea and then works it's way up to RTP

Sometimes I think us gamblers can have too much info. Because knowing all this stuff actually makes you angry and despondent whereas not knowing would probably have allowed you to carry on enjoying things (and sometimes maybe not!)

Yeah. I like the ignorance is bliss.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Who says you can't win at VS? $150 in, 1,000 spins on Bonanza @ $1.00 - $2.00, ended at $200.

Then DOA and on the last $40 a WL on pay line 1 with only 2 extra spins to go, but still a nice pay. Pressed the screenie button too late

RTP??? 400%, 500%, don't really know as I don't make notes anymore.

 

[Tirilej]

I am with trancemonkey on this one. Ever since slashing my gaming budget to a mere few hundred dollars a month, maximum $1K, I stopped recording my sessions, stopped taking notes, stopped chasing that BIG win and can't be bothered if I cash out or not as long as I get some play time and have my entertainment.

And guess what? I am no longer frustrated when RTP is low, I enjoy the gaming sessions a lot more, change slots sometimes after just 20-30 spins if I don't feel good, stopped chasing losses..... in essence I get my entertainment and that's it. Sure I do have some poorer sessions, but that is to be expected.

My 32RED challenge and failure were the best example, in the past I would have pumped in money until I would have made it to the required 90x bet win, no matter how many hundreds it would have cost me. I stopped after two deposits, totaling $150 but I did have fun trying.

At the end of the day, we are all doomed to lose on slots.

Wow, this post just made me happy
You who have constantly tried to explain every single session and spin, the thought of predicting or explaining all that goes on....you're not doing it anymore?
You have always been one of the good guys. Now you're one of the smart ones too

 

[ergosum]

Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to comment on my post.
Dan was firstly kind enough to reach out to me, I gave him my username, and he also got back to me very quickly with the following response:

"Thanks for forwarding me this information. I have checked your account and I have found that your RTP was 75% like the customer support agent had told you.

I also noticed that although I did the check for the last 6 months it was only calculated on 4 months as Jan Feb and March did not have any bets and wins.

We are sorry for how the CS agent dealt with you, and we have addressed this to make sure it won't happen again.

Br,

Daniel"

I know some of you posted to surmise that maybe the CS had calculated this incorrectly.

For some of those who commented and called this a 'moaning' post - your damn right it is, moaning out of frustration, I fully accept that when I hit the deposit button I should be prepared to lose the money, thats a given, but there is also that chance that a big win might happen, the excitement of it, and then 10 minutes later £50 is gone, I contacted support around 6 months ago after a long length of this process, the CS back then agreed my rtp was terrible, so I figured all things being equal I must be due a decent win, fast forward 6 months and not a single one was forthcoming, I would have sessions where I would spend £400 in a week just at videoslots, hoping to get some return, it never came. A couple of years ago you could have a decent amount of entertainment from the slots, some small wins to keep your balance going, and sometimes a decent big win would come, but like others have said, something HAS changed, and for all the fanboys out there who dismiss this as rubbish because they do ok, great for you, for every one of you who does great there are probably 10, 20 , 100 who aren't, I thought this was a forum where experiences are to be shared, everyone congratulates when you have had a big win, but don't dare criticise or some people will fire you down for being a 'moaner'.

I really need to reign in my gambling, its got to the point where it really is no fun anymore, entertainment value is zero.

I'll finish on the same note as I started, I wish you well in your play, and thank you again for your comments .

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to comment on my post.
Dan was firstly kind enough to reach out to me, I gave him my username, and he also got back to me very quickly with the following response:

"Thanks for forwarding me this information. I have checked your account and I have found that your RTP was 75% like the customer support agent had told you.

I also noticed that although I did the check for the last 6 months it was only calculated on 4 months as Jan Feb and March did not have any bets and wins.

We are sorry for how the CS agent dealt with you, and we have addressed this to make sure it won't happen again.

Br,

Daniel"

I know some of you posted to surmise that maybe the CS had calculated this incorrectly.

For some of those who commented and called this a 'moaning' post - your damn right it is, moaning out of frustration, I fully accept that when I hit the deposit button I should be prepared to lose the money, thats a given, but there is also that chance that a big win might happen, the excitement of it, and then 10 minutes later £50 is gone, I contacted support around 6 months ago after a long length of this process, the CS back then agreed my rtp was terrible, so I figured all things being equal I must be due a decent win, fast forward 6 months and not a single one was forthcoming, I would have sessions where I would spend £400 in a week just at videoslots, hoping to get some return, it never came. A couple of years ago you could have a decent amount of entertainment from the slots, some small wins to keep your balance going, and sometimes a decent big win would come, but like others have said, something HAS changed, and for all the fanboys out there who dismiss this as rubbish because they do ok, great for you, for every one of you who does great there are probably 10, 20 , 100 who aren't, I thought this was a forum where experiences are to be shared, everyone congratulates when you have had a big win, but don't dare criticise or some people will fire you down for being a 'moaner'.

I really need to reign in my gambling, its got to the point where it really is no fun anymore, entertainment value is zero.

I'll finish on the same note as I started, I wish you well in your play, and thank you again for your comments .

I try not to call people moaners for sharing bad experiences - i've had my fair share, i can tell you. This is why i try (and maybe sometimes fail) to be a voice of reason.

Over the last 10 years, the RTP's haven't changed much, if at all. They haven't really gone down.
There are games around that are volatile and not volatile. This also hasn't changed.
There is now a LOT more choice of games, casinos, game providers, etc... This certainly has changed, and finding games that are to your taste is a lot harder - and the casinos don't really help here.

You can only judge your gambling on your own experience - if you think something has changed, it's probably a combination of your play style and some other factors, but we certainly wouldn't want to ruin your experience to put you off - that's VERY bad for business. So, no i don't think it's a moan over and above what you should rightly be allowed to say and do - for the reasons you give.

I hope you start to enjoy gambling again if you do it - i find it have got a lot of enjoyment betting on £1 acca's on Wimbledon. I've still lost, but it's a much slower and better way to lose 10 quid over a week!

 

[rena35]

I too stopped depositing daily and have stopped hoping for a decent win. I play a few bucks now and try to enjoy my session. I also stopped thinking about the last 3 or 4 month dry spells. It makes for better gaming and no head ache watching deposit after deposit go down the drain with not one decent line win.

 

[petro]

you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins -

This argument pops up a lot and I think you can base a decision on limited information.
After all, limited information is better than no information.

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I agree with this, usually (but not always) having fun is the goal when you are playing games with a house edge.
But, I think you can equate RTP to entertainment also. Higher RTP increases the chances of winning, and who doesn't have fun when they win.

 

[Deeplay]

I expect it with high variance slots. But I expect it to hover somewhere around level after a large sample size...sometimes...

412,000 spins on bonanza is 88% rtp I believe..or 86 ..I forget...but thats off the top of my head without looking into but either or.

Book of dead 82% over 5k spins tracked on slottracker and over 43,000 spins its 86.4%

Dragon born 90.1% over 109,000 spins


I find it horseshit that it is ALWAYS low and never above. or close. And then I hear with every single person who posts stats. Sample size sample size. Well if it was sample size some should be in the green

And yes these pile of crap slots showing up on videoslots SUCK. Why even make them? They are bloody terrible.

Im pretty pissed off right now so no sense discussing it til I win a few times again

You tell em!! Say it as it is

 

[geordiecolin]

Hi guys,

Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to comment on my post.
Dan was firstly kind enough to reach out to me, I gave him my username, and he also got back to me very quickly with the following response:

"Thanks for forwarding me this information. I have checked your account and I have found that your RTP was 75% like the customer support agent had told you.

I also noticed that although I did the check for the last 6 months it was only calculated on 4 months as Jan Feb and March did not have any bets and wins.

We are sorry for how the CS agent dealt with you, and we have addressed this to make sure it won't happen again.

Br,

Daniel"

I know some of you posted to surmise that maybe the CS had calculated this incorrectly.

For some of those who commented and called this a 'moaning' post - your damn right it is, moaning out of frustration, I fully accept that when I hit the deposit button I should be prepared to lose the money, thats a given, but there is also that chance that a big win might happen, the excitement of it, and then 10 minutes later £50 is gone, I contacted support around 6 months ago after a long length of this process, the CS back then agreed my rtp was terrible, so I figured all things being equal I must be due a decent win, fast forward 6 months and not a single one was forthcoming, I would have sessions where I would spend £400 in a week just at videoslots, hoping to get some return, it never came. A couple of years ago you could have a decent amount of entertainment from the slots, some small wins to keep your balance going, and sometimes a decent big win would come, but like others have said, something HAS changed, and for all the fanboys out there who dismiss this as rubbish because they do ok, great for you, for every one of you who does great there are probably 10, 20 , 100 who aren't, I thought this was a forum where experiences are to be shared, everyone congratulates when you have had a big win, but don't dare criticise or some people will fire you down for being a 'moaner'.

I really need to reign in my gambling, its got to the point where it really is no fun anymore, entertainment value is zero.

I'll finish on the same note as I started, I wish you well in your play, and thank you again for your comments .

No need to be so sensitive about the words "moaning thread". I would defend your right to moan. My comment about it being a moaning thread was purely to point out that a thread dedicated to complaining about something is naturally going to attract more posts from like minded folk than those who are happy with their lot.

 

[Kelly Jo]

No need to be so sensitive about the words "moaning thread". I would defend your right to moan. My comment about it being a moaning thread was purely to point out that a thread dedicated to complaining about something is naturally going to attract more posts from like minded folk than those who are happy with their lot.

Like minded would be 5 witchie witches getting together to witch.

Empathetic? Individuals that can relate due to similar circumstances? Yes!
That is exactly the kind of folks I'm looking for regardless of whether I'm moaning or squiggy.

Wait........ Regardless of whether I'm bitchy or glowie.

75% RTP is #!%&#@$|"_*$#@%!