Resolved Tropica Casino not paying £7k

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Hey everybody,

Hope you are all well.

Apologies for not replying sooner. I have been on a short break while Tropica undergoes a change of ownership.

Myself and Dieter are working on this matter. Please be patient while we gather all the information needed for a resolution.

There have been quite a few incorrect facts posted in this thread which we really need to clarify for the record. We could address each and every post in this thread and present a sound argument, truth or acknowledgement where necessary, but fear you could be reading all weekend long, so we have addressed some of the important / relevant ones below.

Thank you for your time,
Duwayne

  • It will be greatly appreciated if every one posting online could stick to the truth when posting something as a fact. I know you are players and you see things differently from operators, affiliates and other stakeholders in this industry, but posting the first thing that pops into your head as a fact (without been 100% certain) is simply not conducive to finding a viable resolution. Other members here read these posts and believe everything stated as fact. It will certainly help other operators, players, reps, affiliates etc. in the future.

    How about the facts about the relationships between 4 Canadians, Bonne Chance, Silverstone, and this new entity that has sprung up. Bryan was sent threatening lawyers letters simply for allowing a forum discussion about court disclosures in a patent dispute. Court documents are a public record, and as such are fair game for public discussion. This looks like an attempt by the powerful to suppress the facts in favour of their corporate "spin", so expecting everyone else to stick 100% to the facts is a bit rich..
  • No "bribes" were offered to anyone and Zodiac should post the mail Dieter sent to him last week along with all the mails he sent to Tracy and Dieter so that you have all the information you need.

    From what was revealed, it looked like a bribe of $500 was being offered. Why else would the casino talk about a payment of $500 to someone making enquiries involving this case..
  • No player info was, or is ever shared via PM with anyone (unless permission is granted). Nifty was mailed to say that the OP was not been completely honest and that he (Nifty) posted an incorrect fact about my association with Loco Panda. I wanted Nifty to retract the statement and he did.

    Very likely true, but the fact that information we have entrusted to casinos seems to flow so freely into the hands of spammers makes many paranoid about how casinos treat our personal details..
  • Rival do not own any casinos - this message seems to be a common post for 1 or 2 members here. Rival is a software company, like MGS, NETENT etc.

    This is a complicated issue, Bonne Chance own them, but then Bonne chance is owned by Rival, so maybe true on paper, but in the "real world", Rival own them.
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  • Rival do not get involved with operators. If an operator fails, then the business is closed or sold off to an operator who can look after it. All software companies adopt this policy if it makes good business sense.

    So, why so much of this "Rival says", followed by owners apologising for not having the freedom to overrule a directive from Rival. If Rival tell an operator to jump, and that operator has to jump whether or not he wants to, this is certainly Rival getting involved with operators..
  • We have been added to the rogue pit here because of this complaint. This is regrettable considering we never had the opportunity to look into this, as should be the custom when a dispute is filed on a public forum.

    The problem arose on the 18th Jan, and didn't hit the forum till the 24th Feb. This gave you a good 5 weeks to "look into it" before any of us had the slightest idea this issue existed.
  • Tropica has been in operation for 3.5 years and I have been here since inception. Several posters in this thread play/ed at Tropica and it is surprising that no one has mentioned the good service and fast payouts they have received (except Chopley). I personally would not work for a casino that does not pay players or treats people poorly. I take pride in my work and in helping build this brand. A Google search should establish that we are most certainly not a rogue operation. There are affiliates here that can attest to our service, payments and generosity. We have a rock solid team with ample knowledge, as well as good capital backing.

    So why the terrible misconceptions about how gambling works that are getting sent to players, one of which was so crazy that it was the main cause of the casino warning and transfer to the pit.
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  • It is true that we decided months ago to stop been present on this forum as we were not allowed to become accredited. Bryan was steadfast in his rule that no white label could ever become accredited. As we did our own processing and support (office hours and central support after hours), we felt we were not a white label, however we could not get a Baptism by Fire. That is why I have not been present as no matter how much work we did, we would never get off the "Not Recommended List". This particular matter however warrants our involvement and if we can leave the forum knowing we did the best we could, then we will be satisfied with that.

    You were very dependent still on Rival to perform basic services, and it does appear even now that Rival have considerable powers to dictate some aspects of the day to day operation of Tropica. Running away just because you can't gain accreditation makes it look like the purpose of having a rep here was primarily to pressure the administration into granting this status, rather than a genuine willingness to provide help to players. As it turns out, you were on the verge of convincing Bryan question his blanket ruling that no white label could ever become accredited, and then you ruined it. Going into hiding just meant that a really big issue erupted, and you weren't around to spot it early enough to prevent it getting out of control.
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  • I have to end on this point: One regular poster here (you will know who you are) - You were operating 2 accounts and we proved that to you. You had linked accounts at several Rival casinos and were taking up multiple bonuses at each. We did not punish you or embarrass you with the proof here on the forum; we simply bonus banned the 2nd account and allowed you to continuing playing with bonuses, yet you have made multiple posts against Tropica since then in an effort to tarnish our reputation. It will be appreciated if you file a PAB or a PM, if you feel you were hard done by in any way. I will gladly try to understand your reasoning.

Can't happen, Bryan has ruled that no PAB service is available for Rival white label operations. It seems to be in part a reaction to the tantrum thrown by Rival's owners because they just couldn't get any of their operators into the accredited section. Bryan was told by Rival's lawyers to more or less rewrite history. He refused, but did shut down the controversial thread that seemed to trigger the tantrum, but decided that Rival was no longer an operation he was prepared to deal with for the PAB process. In a way, the actions of the software provider has interfered with the services that Bryan is prepared to offer the operators.

If this unnamed poster with two Tropica accounts is not the OP, how come the OP isn't being paid?

As for accounts at other Rivals, so what, none of your business really, what matters is what a player has done (or not done) at Tropica.


Maybe you should tell Max and Bryan the full story, with evidence, as to how you fairly reached the decision not to pay the OP. If they agree that your decision was fair, there is every chance Tropica will at least get out of the pit and into the reservation.

Be careful though, don't let your CS handle it, and don't quote them without taking the utmost care:rolleyes:
 
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[*] It is true that we decided months ago to stop been present on this forum as we were not allowed to become accredited. Bryan was steadfast in his rule that no white label could ever become accredited. As we did our own processing and support (office hours and central support after hours), we felt we were not a white label, however we could not get a Baptism by Fire. That is why I have not been present as no matter how much work we did, we would never get off the "Not Recommended List". This particular matter however warrants our involvement and if we can leave the forum knowing we did the best we could, then we will be satisfied with that..
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If you look around, I'm sure you would find plenty casinos with reps here that are not accredited. That doesn't stop them (reps) from helping the members here. Nor stop them from running a decent casino. You will find a lot of members here playing at casinos that are not accredited. Such as yours before this ordeal. There are some accredited casinos. That some member don't play at for various reasons. Members like to spread good (and bad) treatments by word of mouth. Fair is fair - Do the right thing, by digging yourself out of this mess. You aren't the first casino who can right a wrong; And turn things around here. We are a forgiven crowd ONLY when ASKED for FORGIVENESS. Do the right thing here - you maybe surprised. ;)
 
Tropica Casino said:
No "bribes" were offered to anyone and Zodiac should post the mail Dieter sent to him last week along with all the mails he sent to Tracy and Dieter so that you have all the information you need.

Interesting:
Dieter said:
My name is Dieter and I am one of the owners of Tropica Casino.

May I please ask that you refrain from mailing Tracy or Duwayne in this
matter and that you deal with me directly? It is not very gentlemanly of
you to speak in that manner to a lady or anyone for that matter.

Now, I have read all mails and while I understand your point about the
terms not been clear enough for you on the website (for which I
apologise), I have to state that Tracy is also correct in her advice
relayed to you.

There was no cashout here, so to say we took the player's money is not
accurate as we don't know if would have lost it all. Added to this, he
has a shady history at Rival casinos and is not a good player for any
business. If you were making money at Tropica (or another casino), you
would be losing commission when you really shouldn't be.

Now, I am a fair person and I will credit his account with €500 on
condition that you agree to show some common courtesy towards Tropica
and Rival. You will stop threatening us and other Rival casinos and you
will stop been a bully online. It is not professional and neither of us
will benefit from it.

I would like to see more traffic coming from your sites and am happy to
work with you in that regard.

Let me know if you are able to put aside differences so we may work
together.

Regards,
Dieter
 
Interesting:

It's bribery of the highest order and it STINKS.

Anything dieter or anyone else says from Tropica should be taken with a grain of salt.

Tropica know EXACTLY what happened with the OP....they don't need data or any other nonsense, they have Duwayne who knows the case intimately. Its pretty obvious they're trying to set themselves up to be the "generous new owners" by stringing it out and hoping to generate some kudos and empathy along the way. Its having the opposite effect.

JUST PAY THE PLAYER.

Nothing else about ownership or an unnamed member's multi-accounting bonus scamming (the details of which should be sent to Bryan....if they're doing it there they're doing it elsewhere and should be exposed and banned) or who said what to whom blah blah means ANYTHING. Its well beyond all that now. Confiscating winnings due to irregular play WITH NO BONUS is something even the roguest of the rogues don't resort to....its a disgrace and a blight upon the industry.
 
No player info was, or is ever shared via PM with anyone (unless permission is granted). Nifty was mailed to say that the OP was not been completely honest and that he (Nifty) posted an incorrect fact about my association with Loco Panda. I wanted Nifty to retract the statement and he did.
[*] We have been added to the rogue pit here because of this complaint. This is regrettable considering we never had the opportunity to look into this, as should be the custom when a dispute is filed on a public forum.

Please would you do me the justice of posting my Dishonesty! If not you Tropica then please Nifty! I am being accused of something that I am unaware of! If I have made a mistake or lied then I need to be held accountable, in this case, by this forum. I chose to post this here after a long drawn out process initiated by you, I could not PAB so this was my only option. I respect the combined knowledge of this forum and take their opinions seriously, so let them judge what I have done wrong!! I freely admit that I should have pulled my finger out and got my docs notarized, but I don't think this makes me bad ... Just busy!

Anyway! I should not have read this tonight! Getting a couple of tinnies, going back to More Chilli. :thumbsup:
 
Please would you do me the justice of posting my Dishonesty! If not you Tropica then please Nifty! I am being accused of something that I am unaware of! If I have made a mistake or lied then I need to be held accountable, in this case, by this forum. I chose to post this here after a long drawn out process initiated by you, I could not PAB so this was my only option. I respect the combined knowledge of this forum and take their opinions seriously, so let them judge what I have done wrong!! I freely admit that I should have pulled my finger out and got my docs notarized, but I don't think this makes me bad ... Just busy!

Anyway! I should not have read this tonight! Getting a couple of tinnies, going back to More Chilli. :thumbsup:

I will re read the email and see what I can post.

Where you playing More Chilli? I love that slot! Probably no Aussies though.
 
I will re read the email and see what I can post.

Where you playing More Chilli? I love that slot! Probably no Aussies though.

Thanks Nifty! I appreciate it, just want to know what I have done wrong.

Playing it at Moneygaming sorry... Its one of the best Aristo slots there is IMO. Managed to get the 30 chilli's a while back £5k from a £3 bet, wish they had it in our local casino. Just a shame they won't let you play, although from a business point of view I understand.
 
Agree 100% with Chopley; RedBet gets reccomendations from me to all my overseas friends - even though I can't play there myself! You know why? Because I know they'll be treated fairly, and recieve cashouts if and when they make them.

I can remember the days back when VRC was a great Rival casino to play at - I spent ages playing there, made a few cashouts, they were all processed super fast, nice amount of bonuses and loyalty chips, then, alas, like all Rivals, they went down the drain. Rival has some amazing games - Scary Rich 1 and 2, Goldenman, Cosmic Quest Ep 2 and A Stitch In Time, to name but a few. It sucks that a casino (Tropica) that seemed to be doing so well in the players eyes, has to reveal themselves to be yet another scam scheme, especially with how wary players are nowadays.

Probably time for me to go try Desert Nights or the other Sloto Rival :P
 
I REALLY want to post some of the email Duwayne sent me.

However, I am heavily conflicted because I have a very strong belief in privacy and not posting stuff without permission.....and I highly doubt that Duwayne would allow me to post it in part or in full.

The reason being that some information was included that was copy/pasted from towersoft's account notes e.g. what support/other contact points had written in the backend which is seen whenever he contacted the casino.

Now...before anyone like certain people who have a problem reading properly throw their arms in the air....I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS INFORMATION. It was sent to me unsolicited. I made NO enquiries in about this player or any other play AT ALL.

We clear on that now? Good.

Rest assured the information provided was a load of crap and, if it is anything to go by, it certainly explains why Tropica make the decision that they do. I very much get the impression that they are being run by a group of guys from the pub or something. It is so unprofessional it is laughable.
 
Rest assured the information provided was a load of crap and, if it is anything to go by, it certainly explains why Tropica make the decision that they do.

But if it was a "load of crap", how can it explain why Tropica isn't paying him? Unless my definition of "load of crap" isn't the same as yours.
 
Nifty,

Though I have no love for Tropica I don't really think you should post the info Duwayne sent you. Its not worth tarnishing your name to expose their shortcomings(supposedly). Judging by the course of this thread this casino is a clear rogue and what you were sent is probably moot now.

You mean it isn't tarnished already :eek:

It's good advice Chu, and I'm going to take it.

It probably won't be popular, but I'm used to that :cool:
 
But if it was a "load of crap", how can it explain why Tropica isn't paying him? Unless my definition of "load of crap" isn't the same as yours.

I think you're reading me wrong here mate.

I meant the crap reasons Tropica aren't paying him, and refusing to pay others.

I.e. if they think the way it appears they do from the email, then it comes as no surprise.

NOTHING in that email made me think that the player should not be paid.....and anyone who has been around here five minutes would know that if there WAS a legitimate reason not to pay, I would have found it.
 
You mean it isn't tarnished already :eek:

It's good advice Chu, and I'm going to take it.

It probably won't be popular, but I'm used to that :cool:

In fairness I probably should not have asked you to post it! I apologise, I should not have put you in that position. Just got a bit irritated with the whole thing last night and after a couple of beers was not thinking straight. :drink: :drink: :drink:
 
if they think the way it appears they do from the email, then it comes as no surprise.

I really wish you could elaborate on that because it would help people (including me) to understand the situation better (but I understand your situation here). Right now it appears that half-truths and possibly straight-out lies have been posted in their last update in this thread.
 
As for accounts at other Rivals, so what, none of your business really, what matters is what a player has done (or not done) at Tropica.

Isn't it funny that on one hand you get shit like that, and on the other hand they get all bent out of shape, call you a liar and send lawyer letters when you mention that evidences strongly suggest that they are all linked at the very top?
 
In fairness I probably should not have asked you to post it! I apologise, I should not have put you in that position. Just got a bit irritated with the whole thing last night and after a couple of beers was not thinking straight. :drink: :drink: :drink:

Trust me I am as curious as you and want to know what info that was. However, we need to stick to our principles and frankly even without posting that 'crap' the casino's reputation is already in tatters.
 
ITls obviously not your fault Nifty as u did not approach casino. They approached you. But from now on we should all be aware that if we get into a dispute with a casino they may take it upon themselves to pm an ordinary membeer of the forum and reveal all the dirt they think they have on us. This is outrageous. Only Bryan or Max should be privvy to such information. I don't care if the forum member is experienced, savy etc. It's so wrong it's untrue . Thank you Nifty for being professional about it.
 
You mean it isn't tarnished already :eek:

It's good advice Chu, and I'm going to take it.

It probably won't be popular, but I'm used to that :cool:

On the contrary Nifty, you're displaying far more integrity than Tropica managed.
 
... and who owns SilverStone Overseas?

Bonne Chance but nothing is related KK, please look the other way. It's only one or two members here that make false claims about Rival owning all their shit under different names/entities. Everything is legit, they even send lawyer letters so it's true.
 
I always ask myself why responsible managers only give an reaction if the child has already fallen into the fountain ?

Why can't they decide reasonable or correct if one try to mediate ?

If they would do, we would have some problems and troubles less. Personally it makes no fun to criticize a casino or reporting bad about.

What is going around in the heads of these owners to lead a casino ? They will earn money at any cost on this ways ?

I'm always honest what i write and i know that it gives always two sides regarded and to understand.

A single player has no chance to deal with a casino, we all know that. The only way that you have available is, to report in prestigious communities, and when partners are involved, to set them on a blacklist.

Anyway, i believe for both sides it's not easy to decide. We also don't know who is sitting on the other side and write if we not know these persons personally.

How i already wrote, i don't like to post all the correspondence between the VIP Support Agent Tracy and me. It makes no sence, because it stated all the same. Support Agents will always write what they was told by their managers.

There was only three mails from Dieter.

Normally i don't want to publish all correspondence, because i also think how Nifty said that some things should remain confidential. But sometimes you will unfortunately be obliged to publish it.

I believe also that some of these casinos forgotten what for influence we can have. For us it's not important to refrain money from partners if we know that they treat players bad or have bad terms&conditions.

Decency and fairness should be stand also in this business on first place.
 
You mean it isn't tarnished already :eek:

It's good advice Chu, and I'm going to take it.

It probably won't be popular, but I'm used to that :cool:

I disagree. You have no control over who contacts you but you do control what you do with the information. If a casino or anyone related to a casino sends someone private information about a forum member the fault lies entirely on the casino. Not making that information public is the honorable thing to do and not making exceptions shows integrity.

I still have a problem with casinos contacting forum members about other forum members. I don't hold other forum members to the same standards that I hold casinos. I have no agreement with other forum members. If forum members talk about each other behind each other's backs it might not be a very nice thing to do and is probably quite often not the most accurate way to gain information but people will be people. Casinos are an entirely different story. Casinos should not be contacting forum members about their players. In my opinion it's a breach of trust and again not the best way to gain accurate information. A decision might be made based on this information which is nothing more than hearsay. And if forum members contact a casino and ask questions about other forum members they should be politely told to mind their business.

I really only come here for the debates and to make some jokes when something strikes me as funny. I leave the casino/player issues up to Bryan and the mods. My opinion usually doesn't hold much sway anyway. lol

Besides, I find life a lot simpler when I stay out of everyone else's personal business.
 
As I said.... Being stupid! Not heard anything from them, got the initial email then Tropica contacted me via pm here. Not heard anything this week though.

Probably making sure they get their story right. Bad enough looking stupid on one site, but doing so on two is worse. That's two rogue pits to climb out of.

At Gambling Grumbles they would get a "sad face" award for a bad outcome, but unlike here, everything is public about the outcome and reasons/excuses given. They can also get a "sad face" award for ignoring an issue, but it would buy them some time.

Saving that 7K is going to end up being very expensive for them.
 
Hi Duwayne,

Glad to see you back here - and I hope we can resolve this issue since it seems to be getting strewn about. Even though this isue has been run through the mill in this thread, I'll be willing to accept a PAB from the member.

@towersoft, please read the PAB FAQs and submit one at your earliest convenience. Thank you.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/pab-rules/

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[*] I have to end on this point: One regular poster here (you will know who you are) - You were operating 2 accounts and we proved that to you. You had linked accounts at several Rival casinos and were taking up multiple bonuses at each. We did not punish you or embarrass you with the proof here on the forum; we simply bonus banned the 2nd account and allowed you to continuing playing with bonuses, yet you have made multiple posts against Tropica since then in an effort to tarnish our reputation. It will be appreciated if you file a PAB or a PM, if you feel you were hard done by in any way. I will gladly try to understand your reasoning.
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If there is a member posting BS then I need to know about this. You can PM me if you'd like.

End note - the casino rep only explained some things about this issue to Nifty. Just like you would if you met up in a bar or something. It was merely an explanation of what has been posted already from the player and management in this thread. There was no private information divulged or anything sensitive to that matter.

Also their listing is "Not Recommended" (not Rogue) because of the support on crack response. (see the listing itself here). If the casino support had properly trained staff and management, they wouldn't find themselves in this situation. I hope that the support issue is rectified post-haste. No support should be responding like that.
 
Hi Duwayne,

Glad to see you back here - and I hope we can resolve this issue since it seems to be getting strewn about. Even though this isue has been run through the mill in this thread, I'll be willing to accept a PAB from the member.

@towersoft, please read the PAB FAQs and submit one at your earliest convenience. Thank you.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/pab-rules/



If there is a member posting BS then I need to know about this. You can PM me if you'd like.

End note - the casino rep only explained some things about this issue to Nifty. Just like you would if you met up in a bar or something. It was merely an explanation of what has been posted already from the player and management in this thread. There was no private information divulged or anything sensitive to that matter.

Also their listing is "Not Recommended" (not Rogue) because of the support on crack response. (see the listing itself here). If the casino support had properly trained staff and management, they wouldn't find themselves in this situation. I hope that the support issue is rectified post-haste. No support should be responding like that.


This is all very well, but why has this unnamed person who tried multiaccounting ONLY had the duplicate closed, but has been allowed to carry on playing on one, despite having had this proven 100%, and pouring "poison" about the casino on here, yet at the same time, the OP, who has NOT proven to have been multi accounting, had their winnings confiscated altogether.

How about the OP being treated the same as this unnamed bullshitter, and being allowed to carry on playing on one Tropica account despite some negative postings here, with any other accounts that appear to be his also being closed (same treatment again as the unnamed bullshitter).

I have a suspicion, the bullshitter is losing, and so is being allowed to play on. Could be a different story if they get a big win though, so whoever you are, RUN from Rival whilst you can, you are actually screwing each other over, even if you think you have them fooled.
 
Hi Duwayne,

Glad to see you back here - and I hope we can resolve this issue since it seems to be getting strewn about. Even though this isue has been run through the mill in this thread, I'll be willing to accept a PAB from the member.

@towersoft, please read the PAB FAQs and submit one at your earliest convenience. Thank you.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/pab-rules/



If there is a member posting BS then I need to know about this. You can PM me if you'd like.

End note - the casino rep only explained some things about this issue to Nifty. Just like you would if you met up in a bar or something. It was merely an explanation of what has been posted already from the player and management in this thread. There was no private information divulged or anything sensitive to that matter.

Also their listing is "Not Recommended" (not Rogue) because of the support on crack response. (see the listing itself here). If the casino support had properly trained staff and management, they wouldn't find themselves in this situation. I hope that the support issue is rectified post-haste. No support should be responding like that.

Hi Bryan,

Thank you for this.

There is no need for a PAB as it has been decided to pay the balance on the account. Payment should be made today.

We have been unable to find the support email that was quoted in this thread. I have never seen anyone from our support replying in that manner and I am hoping the OP can send me the tracking information on the mail via PM so we can see if it came from our local support staff or our central support staff. I apologise that a mail of that nature was sent and we will get to the bottom of it. As all customer mails are copied to management, I find it hard to believe that any staff member would still be employed after sending a mail like that.

I will report all posts as per your PM.

Regards,
Duwayne
 
Hi Bryan,

Thank you for this.

There is no need for a PAB as it has been decided to pay the balance on the account. Payment should be made today.

We have been unable to find the support email that was quoted in this thread. I have never seen anyone from our support replying in that manner and I am hoping the OP can send me the tracking information on the mail via PM so we can see if it came from our local support staff or our central support staff. I apologise that a mail of that nature was sent and we will get to the bottom of it. As all customer mails are copied to management, I find it hard to believe that any staff member would still be employed after sending a mail like that. I will report all posts as per your PM.

Regards,
Duwayne

I am pleased the right thing was done in the end, but this is not the first time we have seen an unprofessional reply from Rival support, so clearly there is no real threat to their employment when it happens.

Whether it came from local or central CS is not the concern of the customer. If anything, it illustrates WHY it has been so hard for Rival casinos to convince Bryan that they should be allowed to become accredited. The standards for accreditation have to be met 24/7, not merely in office hours when the in house teams are on duty.

The OP should send the full email to the rep so that it can be traced, even if only to convince them that relying on Rival to provide front line CS to their customers is a bad idea. If it did come from the central team, it might explain why no trace of this can be found locally by Tropica.

In the end, it cost 7K still. It could have cost the same 7K weeks ago, but with none of this spilling out into the forum, and of course no "CS torching the crack pipe" report and movement towards the pit.

If anything, without this incident, Bryan may have moved further along the path of reconsidering the absolute ban on any Rival casino becoming accredited, and moved to how Kasino King tries to differentiate between the well meaning and rogue white labels on his site.

Given that new owners have just taken over, they could have hit the ground running by resolving this incident right away. The ownership change may also explain the inability to find the offending email that started this off, as this was under the previous ownership. The records, like the others, are probably held at Rival.
 
Duwayne,

Sometimes its not all's well that ends well. Tropica and other Rivals are fast gaining notoriety for refusal to pay legitimate winnings. In the past, one would certainly be paid albeit a bit slowly by Rival casinos except for Rivals under the stewardship of a guy using John as his handle in this forum. Now, few would take the risk. Its a pity as many simply adore the software.
 
Hi Bryan,

Thank you for this.

There is no need for a PAB as it has been decided to pay the balance on the account. Payment should be made today.

We have been unable to find the support email that was quoted in this thread. I have never seen anyone from our support replying in that manner and I am hoping the OP can send me the tracking information on the mail via PM so we can see if it came from our local support staff or our central support staff. I apologise that a mail of that nature was sent and we will get to the bottom of it. As all customer mails are copied to management, I find it hard to believe that any staff member would still be employed after sending a mail like that.

I will report all posts as per your PM.

Regards,
Duwayne

Any non-Rival casino here want to offer this guy a job? He deserves so much better.
 
At the moment, I'm waiting for the OP to forward me the emails he received from the customer support center. Like the Tropica rep mentioned, they don't have record of these emails.

I've sent a PM this morning to the OP asking him to send these to me.
 
I very much get the impression that they are being run by a group of guys from the pub or something. It is so unprofessional it is laughable.

When i read Nifty's, Duwayne's and Bryan's posts I wonder if Tropica for a certain time was run by people who now are out of the picture? Did these people hide their email records? :eek: Or do Duwayne suggest that the OP is lying?

I want to add that many of the things in OP:s first post was in live chat, do casinos always save those logs?
 
From what I understand, the email records in the back end at Rival cannot be deleted. As for the chat records, I'm not sure, but I would guess that the same rules would apply.

I'm hoping that the following can or cannot be confirmed:

...We have also been advised by Rival that you are an advantage player
with a history of abuse. Please take a moment to explain your history at
all Rivals to us.

Kindly keep all correspondence in writing so that we have a written
record in the event this matter needs to be escalated.

Regards,
Tropica Security

...Added to this, we have confirmation from Rival that you are not a
genuine player. You simply play big till you win and then you cash out
and move on. While we understand winning is what all players go for, it
is cause for concern when we know we will not get a chance to win some
of our winnings back.
 
From what I understand, the email records in the back end at Rival cannot be deleted. As for the chat records, I'm not sure, but I would guess that the same rules would apply.

I'm hoping that the following can or cannot be confirmed:

The thing is, I can hardly see them admitting to the latter paragraph if they can avoid it, it's so ridiculous.
 
I would like to confirm that £2500 has been credited to my Neteller account so far. All I can say is thanks to everyone! :thumbsup:

I have forwarded the emails to Bryan and if you want them as well Duwayne please pm me an address I can forward them too. I stand by my original post and as I said earlier in this thread I am happy to let Bryan access my gmail account and see the conversations if necessary.
 
From what I understand, the email records in the back end at Rival cannot be deleted. As for the chat records, I'm not sure, but I would guess that the same rules would apply.

I'm hoping that the following can or cannot be confirmed:

Hi Bryan,

As per the PM sent re this matter, we really need the header information of the mail that was sent with those replies. I have confirmed with Rival that no one is able to delete or edit mails that have been received sent via Casino Controller.

I have personally gone through the last 1,000 emails sent by our support teams to see if I can spot any "angry" staff members and despite some grammar / language issues, I was unable to find anyone writing anything remotely close to the mail the OP received. The staff know that if a player makes threats to post on a Forum, then it needs to go to management and that is what happened here.

Some background: When a player sends in an email or Live Chat, it is automatically logged on the their account. Mails are replied to from the back-office which is called Casino Controller. Everything is therefore kept electronically and the only way this could have happened is if someone did something underhanded. It is a shame if it was sent via another source or if it was fabricated to drum up support.

I am logging off now. Thanks to everyone for the PMs and support and apologies for this rather long, drawn out issue.

Have a good evening,
Duwayne
 
The thing with this is, that the ridiculous paragraph was clearly constructed by someone not a natural English speaker. It contains comical errors of case which would be hard for a natural English speaker to falsify. I'm only an observer here, but I would place my money on the OP being veracious. If your CS didn't issue the chat then what are we supposed to believe? A malicious comedian has intercepted live chat? I see Tropica stuck between the a rock and a hard place. They desire to rectify and appease the OP, given the publicity, but at the same time get clear of responsibility for the nonsensical CS conversations. The cash and w/d issue can later be viewed as a one-off incident which was resolved in favour of the player; the yoke of the cretinous CS chat will stick round their necks longer and mean potential new players wondering what little forest clearing somewhere in the tropics (no pun) their operation or CS is actually based in.
I believe they are stalling on this - they have sufficient time to compare this style of typing and prose with those who they know work as CS agents or did at the time. Like handwriting, people's style of prose is unique.
 
The thing with this is, that the ridiculous paragraph was clearly constructed by someone not a natural English speaker. It contains comical errors of case which would be hard for a natural English speaker to falsify. I'm only an observer here, but I would place my money on the OP being veracious. If your CS didn't issue the chat then what are we supposed to believe? A malicious comedian has intercepted live chat? I see Tropica stuck between the a rock and a hard place. They desire to rectify and appease the OP, given the publicity, but at the same time get clear of responsibility for the nonsensical CS conversations. The cash and w/d issue can later be viewed as a one-off incident which was resolved in favour of the player; the yoke of the cretinous CS chat will stick round their necks longer and mean potential new players wondering what little forest clearing somewhere in the tropics (no pun) their operation or CS is actually based in.
I believe they are stalling on this - they have sufficient time to compare this style of typing and prose with those who they know work as CS agents or did at the time. Like handwriting, people's style of prose is unique.

Hi,

We have 24 support agents and expecting us to compare each agents "style" to determine who the sender was is a task I am not willing to do. For the record: publicity was never a determining factor in resolving the query. We have always been on the NOT RECOMMENDED list, so remaining there would not have changed anything.

I will end off by saying that there would be no benefit to us in not finding the sender. I am however saying that none of our agents show any signs of aggression in their past week's work. They are all doing a pretty good job from what I saw yesterday.

Regards,
Duwayne
 
I am reading this thread over and over, trying to see the whole picture. This Dieter guy, is it this one that Bryan mentioned here?

I am in contact with the new operator who has taken over Duwayne's account. He's wondering why they are in the Not Recommended section - it's because of the OP's "support on crack" episode - and now the new one with the Martingale system being applied to a game other than Roulette (wtf?).

Now, it seems like the new guy is out of the picture, Duwayne is back operating his own CM account again.

However, this is strange:

I have been on a short break while Tropica undergoes a change of ownership.

Myself and Dieter are working on this matter. Please be patient while we gather all the information needed for a resolution.

  • No "bribes" were offered to anyone and Zodiac should post the mail Dieter sent to him last week along with all the mails he sent to Tracy and Dieter so that you have all the information you need.

Zodiac posted this evidence:

My name is Dieter and I am one of the owners of Tropica Casino.

May I please ask that you refrain from mailing Tracy or Duwayne in this
matter and that you deal with me directly? It is not very gentlemanly of
you to speak in that manner to a lady or anyone for that matter.

Now, I have read all mails and while I understand your point about the
terms not been clear enough for you on the website (for which I
apologise), I have to state that Tracy is also correct in her advice
relayed to you.

There was no cashout here, so to say we took the player's money is not
accurate as we don't know if would have lost it all. Added to this, he
has a shady history at Rival casinos and is not a good player for any
business. If you were making money at Tropica (or another casino), you
would be losing commission when you really shouldn't be.

Now, I am a fair person and I will credit his account with €500 on
condition that you agree to show some common courtesy towards Tropica
and Rival. You will stop threatening us and other Rival casinos and you
will stop been a bully online. It is not professional and neither of us
will benefit from it.

I would like to see more traffic coming from your sites and am happy to
work with you in that regard.

Let me know if you are able to put aside differences so we may work
together.

Regards,
Dieter

After this was posted, Tropica decided to pay the player. And now Tropica want the emails sent to the player. I might be way out of line when I suggest that this Dieter guy sent those emails and covered his tracks.

If it is so, I hope that Tropica can be honest and tell us about it. I am not an English native speaker, I can't compare text and see if Dieter's text is the same type as the ones in the emails.
 
Hi,

We have 24 support agents and expecting us to compare each agents "style" to determine who the sender was is a task I am not willing to do. For the record: publicity was never a determining factor in resolving the query. We have always been on the NOT RECOMMENDED list, so remaining there would not have changed anything.

I will end off by saying that there would be no benefit to us in not finding the sender. I am however saying that none of our agents show any signs of aggression in their past week's work. They are all doing a pretty good job from what I saw yesterday.

Regards,
Duwayne

I am getting confused.

When the new owners first got involved, there were "no records" of the details surrounding this incident as it occurred under the old owners. Rival and Rival alone had these records, and they would have to be sent by them to the new owners of Tropica.

Now, you are saying that not having records of the offending email is proof that this was never sent by one of your agents by official means (casino controller). Since this took place under the old owners, it should be obvious that the most likely reason for not being able to find the offending emails is that they are also not on the current record, but as data from the old owners held at Rival, assuming they keep everything when an operator hands back it's skin.

You also said that your support is a mix between your own team and Rival central support. This offending email looks like the work of Rival central support, which presumably is a large pool of agents serving many Rival white labels. The emails were also sent in January, so reviewing the "last week" of your CS records is obviously not going to spot them, nor any CS agent that was "angry" back in January.

My confusion stems from the fact that you seem to have all the pertinent information at your fingertips, yet a while back most of this information was no longer held locally, and you had to wait for Rival to dig it out and send it, and they didn't appear to be in any hurry to do so.

Despite the claim that the player threatened to post on a forum, this must have stemmed from the casino doing something that the OP felt was wrong FIRST, such as non-payment.

I think the trigger for this was the non-payment for vague reasons not associated with any breach of the terms, followed by telling the player his money had been summarily confiscated and the case closed, alongside which these odd claims appeared to have been emailed by employees of Tropica and/or Rival.

Of interest too are the nature of the threats made by the OP, since you bring it up, so as well as evidence from the OP of these emails, along with headers, we also need evidence of the threats made by the OP to the casino as they may breach CM membership rules.

Given that Tropica is regulated in a jurisdiction that has no effective player complaints handling process, PAB has been blanket disqualified for all Rival white labels, and Tropica had reached it's final decision, the OP's options were severely limited, and there was no obvious "private" process available for an independent review of the case.

If the emails are thought to have nothing to do with Rival, what was the REAL reason for non-payment.

It does seem odd that after sticking to their guns for 3 months, the day Bryan posted that the rules had been waived and he would accept a PAB, Tropica did a total U-Turn and announced the player would be paid in full. It gives the impression that Tropica did not want this going through PAB where it would have it's own side reviewed just as thoroughly as the player's side. Could be coincidence, but we are talking the same day in a period of about 90 for the independent reaching of decisions that seem closely connected.
 
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